Phoenix(Z) vs BikeRush(R17) - Tiberium Rift - Kane's Wrath

It's a R19 match featuring Phoenix vs BikeRushOwnz on Tiberium Rift. This game was recorded quite a while ago and Zone Raiders have always been terrible at hitting moving targets.
Phoenix: / iamphx
BikeRushOwnz: / bikerush
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[@Captain_Idaho]

I feel Zone Raiders and Grenadiers needed better targeting of moving targets. Ravagers received that and people feel it's fair after all.

[@squishymusic9723]

Agreed, a faster projectile speed wouldn't be a bad change at all, its such a shame grenadiers are used so little given that they are the equivalent to Nod's Black Hand squads.

[@Captain_Idaho]

@@squishymusic9723 yeah totally agree. They are a really iconic part of GDI too. Them, Orcas and Mammoth tanks are the most important elements of GDI that are in every game!

[@squishymusic9723]

@@Captain_Idaho Yeah absolutely

[@mastershifu2427]

Love the content❤ It is just so cool that there are still people supporting this game🥰

[@stronensycharte64]

Best western RTS

[@panarbore]

Phoenix and Bikerush are incredibly entertaining to watch! Their knowledge of timings and unit usage is simply out of this world!

[@markherron4249]

stumbled here from a Bricky recommendation but sooo cool to see a consistent, great production, and well casted Kanes Wrath games in current year xxx

[@NivRel]

this was quite epic tho, the competitiveness + the intentional making it last longer made this like super cool like try to see this match as actual gdi fighting with all they got against an overpowered scrin force, making armies here and there to try to defeat them, losing lots of small battles but making progress in smarter ways to then end up with a desperate attempt after even the last holdout failed

[@TheChilledNorwegian]

Great match, could never guess who was going to be victorious. Thanks for still CnC3 casting, I really enjoy them.

[@Vordikk]

Yes, Zone Raiders weapon was always bugged like that, and i'm kinda surprised that it's still not fixed.

[@masterleafcnc]

"bugged like that" ?

[@OneSybert]

I don't think it's a bug I think they're just terrible at hitting moving targets. I just never realized they were **that** bad.

[@Vordikk]

@@OneSybert it is clean bug, as they trying to attack previous target position instead of current at each shot. Thus if you reorder them to attack new target or position, they will shoot properly.

[@dontreadmyusername6787]

@@masterleafcnc other than that i don't think zocom has any answer to R17 late gane fire power so yeah "bugged"

[@BayWa4eva]

@@Vordikk vehicles have that behaviour, which means that zone raiders are actually vehicles. i always found that incredibly dumb, even the slow predators end up shooting backwards while their target is in front if they give chase to infantry. a point where railguns are a massive improvement, especially against buzzers.

[@kdmdst]

*I feel better after the new share* 😊*thank you for this*

[@stanb1604]

commentary is top notch as always👌 entertaining even as a spectator, here's hoping that RTS genre goes mainstream again.

[@joelpang]

38:47 since the rift wormhole will also absorb the sunlight (redirect it to the other end) I suppose there would be a shadow?

[@Hunter-pt4zy]

yea, I would believe that rift would cast a shadow since it is blocking light from the sun to that particular spot. The light rays from the sun to it are being instead transferred to empty space, so that part of the ground gets a shadow cast upon it. Makes sense to me, the rift is basically an orb.

[@TheSuperColonel]

14:15 massive battle about to start.

[@GT7776]

LETS. GO.

[@zyrobs]

Zone Raiders have a bug where if you order them to attack a unit outside range, they'll move in close and attack where the unit was at the time you made the command. So optimally you should A-move with them, or even better force fire them at a point and then all the grenades will hit the area you force fire to. With force fire you can do a lot more damage, assuming you hit the target, and then you don't leave them that way in case the target dies/moves. This all applies to Zone Heads too, where it gets quite hilarious if you target something that moved two screens away by the time they come into range.

[@Markdaamannn]

My fav strategy game of all times

[@walid8981]

i still remember when i play this Kane wrath in internet cafe when im in primary school

[@MrCalhoun556]

Epic.

[@davidliefrink9818]

That reclamator hub kill is one of the reasons why bikerush is hated and loved at the same time ^^ The timing .... the timings

[@BikeRush]

gg

[@masterleafcnc]

R19 change list: docs.google.com/document/d/1UthDjMkW1ZWteW1syRNOPiHAkWLELjuPYqeI1mrdkjY/edit

[@Mantorok12]

rough matchup when neither team has artillery. Idk the patch notes of R19, but there seems to be a focus on base defenses, which is a rough offensive situation for Reaper-17 and ZOCOM.

[@willotree5844]

Good call Sybert. Very enjoyable.

[@jia2001]

Give Bikerush an army and he can win the war for Ukraine in a few weeks.

[@joshsdkytre7497]

Fun game. Glad it wasn't an easy win.

[@gabriatus9508]

I miss this game a lot. I had no idea it still had multiplayer scene. Is it a good idea to come back to it again or is the multiplayer only for high level plays?

[@willsmith423]

I say Yes!! we need more players!

[@nicobinche]

GG

[@bowlchamps37]

Once a green field is completely harvested, how fast does it regrow. Like, can 1 or 2 harvesters continually (without going idle) get tiberium from it without idle time, or not even 1?

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

I think Masterleaf did a video on that. I thought you'd get more money overall by stopping the harvesting entirely to let it regrow, which would imply that once the field is depleted even just one fulltime harvester is probably more than enough if you're not allowing it to regrow at all.

[@OneSybert]

You'd normally leave 1 harvester. However Tiberium regrows slowly so that 1 harvester will likely never be full, just continually bringing in reduced income. If you can afford to leave the field alone and let it regrow you'll get more money (as Masterleaf showed) but you have to live long enough to come back and harvest it. Most players choose the reduced income over time rather than letting it regrow. Also I think map makers can change the regrow speed so some maps might regrow faster or slower. I think green fields are generally the same regrow on every map and only blue fields have slower regrow. Not exactly sure how that works.

[@anonvideo738]

A harvester mines faster than tiberium grows, but there is a second component why letting it regrow is better. Tiberium grows in two phases, first small crystals, then large crystals. The large crystals are worth a more and grow faster relative to the $ worth. (I forgot the exact values, but lets say small is 300, big is 1000, and both stages take 30 seconds the grow, the second step thus generates more value in the same time period). The problem is that constantly managing it is time consuming so most just let 1 harvester work it

[@nicz7694]

I heard that intro music somewhere but I dont know where? 😕

[@szecse]

Zone raiders should shoot air in Marve az well

[@kingworlds]

cool

[@AdunzChanwit]

This is Kane here.. Welcome to Command and Conguer Sybert Wrath 3!!! XD😆😆😆

[@cuse123456]

i would like to donate and fund a competition but i dont use twitter, how can i do this?

[@OneSybert]

Email is in the description.

[@Beleidigen-ist-Pflicht]

0:21 no I won't "put my hands togeþer" for phoenix. Y'know, Sybert, in Germany, we "push" þumps, (die Daumen drücken). I'll do þat instead, ok?

[@pitecusH]

Putting your hands together means to give someone an applause...

[@toddc6682]

Can't beat Reaper 17 long term with extra resource gathering.

[@ebersouto85]

Hey sybert, I been trying to talk to you. Do you do discord by any chance?

[@BGVassil]

Stasis should be a super weapon or cost like 5000 to use lol

[@willotree5844]

Stasis and Phase are ridiculously OP.

[@MadcatMashupMayhem]

Spoiler alert! . . . . . . . . . . It's very interesting to see Bikerushownz, one of the most aggressive player in the game, being SO passive! But the moment Phoenix exhaust himself against R17, he already lost.

[@PolshevPHFilippiny]

Where is the Sneaky Engineer Shenanigan at 30:22? I don't see him

[@Samwise2210]

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[@van_valdis]

SPOILER Are you people not bored yet watching these matches with Bikerush where you already know who's gonna win?...

[@dasilentzealot]

Imagine if the harvesters can get heroic from all the kills

[@emretutas1804]

time 21.17 PHOENİXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX goooooood

[@exetiorsonic1269]

i like how zone raiders have luck on those aims and with the rng bruh

[@BrendanGouldmann]

don't know weather or not Zocom have missile troops or not but if they have, they would have been way better than the zone raiders, since those guys could hit any moving target.

[@Mantorok12]

they do. Zone raiders do cannon damage in a splash, which is good both against vehicles and infantry, if they hit. Plus the zone raiders have anti-air rockets, making them kinda like little mammoth infantry squads. They're a very powerful unit, but they are expensive and don't track moving targets well. Phoenix may have done better with mass missiles and riflemen, though those blue shard walkers would have torn through them. Bike just had too much. Zone shatterers may have helped chew through those huge armies.

[@prezlamen7906]

I never had a problem where zone raiders miss like stormtroopers. They do aim for a previous position but its not as drastic as in this video. They miss like 5 in game meters max.

[@akeuning01]

Great extended match.. Unsure about zone raider aim. Gotta be annoying!

[@prezlamen7906]

Whats R19?

[@OneSybert]

Release 19. It's the 18th major release of the 1.02+ community patch.

[@prezlamen7906]

@@OneSybert Tnx man. I'll have to check it out. I'm using vanilla.

[@vancruising]

Woah late game kinda unfair.

[@FizzleFX]

if he had cleaned up those pod shells better and more decissive (and followed up) ...

[@emretutas1804]

illegal game, fantastik

[@Cracker_Smacker]

If i have a dollar every time zone raider in hammer head hit the target i'll still be broke

[@OneSybert]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyy They're pretty good at hitting buildings.

[@Itslewieo]

Nah i use zocom all the time , zoneraiders aim is no where near that bad. Thats definitely a bug

[@NuStiuFrate]

Am i the only one bored of bikerushowns matches? It's like "let's see how he wins this time" 99% of the time.

[@dokterkarel]

I know zone raiders' aim was bad, but this is getting rediculous

[@afterlife697]

Good job like bikerushownz here’s your metal: 🪙

[@notnice658]

Epic.

[@Markdaamannn]

My fav strategy game of all times

[@szecse]

Zone raiders should shoot air in Marve az well