Photographing the Lost Art of 'Hanging Out'

[@alexgreenway21]

Incredibly inspirational! This is the sort of video that gets me out with my camera. I bought her book last month and it's truly a special one!

[@frame-lines]

As soon as I saw her book for the first time I started looking at a 28mm lens for my mamiya645 😅

[@alexgreenway21]

​@frame-lines I use a GR3, so I was instantly hooked! 28mm is great once you get the hang of it.

[@aawonnewton]

So refreshing to hear about someone’s experience and process rather than the endless gear talk. Thanks for this!

[@frame-lines]

I loved hearing about here process but I also found it cool that she was happy to talk about gear and practical stuff too :)

[@aawonnewton]

@@frame-lines 100%. Really pleased to know people are still preferring optical viewfinders, hopefully we see that reflected in future cameras!

[@channamasala]

More of these please. 🙏 It adds genuine and meaningful value to the photography space on KZbin.

[@frame-lines]

Ah thanks so much for saying that. We put a lot of work into these types of videos any appreciation is gratefully received :)

[@CameraNostalgiaClub]

Exactly!

[@gerardturnley1491]

What a find, finally a YT channel that educates. Power.

[@Pantheragem]

I'm 49. This was just too depressing for me to watch all the way through. It's wonderful, but I just miss what's been lost.

[@BudParr]

Haha, I’d guess she’d love the M11. Anyway, I’d love to see more of these from you all, even if the subject isn’t in the magazine you have a nice rapport with her and you get that we always want to hear about gear and process. Thanks! Will go buy the issue now.

[@frame-lines]

We have 2 more planned and editing right now! I couldn’t help myself chatting about gear so I’m glad you got something from it. I would never have thought to use an external viewfinder on a medium format camera!

[@StephenMcFadden]

Great interview.

[@frame-lines]

Cheers Stephen. Drop sage a dm and let her know you liked it :)

[@StephenMcFadden]

@@frame-lines I followed her on IG yesterday.

[@MyWalk3296]

Photography tells a story, so true.

[@frame-lines]

The story it tells can sometimes change from viewer to viewer

[@ry_dv_]

Excellent stuff!

[@frame-lines]

Glad you liked it!

[@NunoAlmeidaPhotography]

What a great interview, well done!

[@StarrysLostandFound]

Really interesting interview. Thank you

[@frame-lines]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@WesleyVerhoevePhotography]

wowow great work, and love the chat as well

[@frame-lines]

thanks fella! she's the best

[@seyranmammadov4988]

well done

[@frame-lines]

Thanks!

[@jordanblossom4873]

Funny seeing the reference to Suburbia - the whole thing was filmed about a block from my house in Austin. Huge Linklater fan.

[@frame-lines]

Wow! Were you around when they were filming? I’m a huge fan of his too.

[@jordanblossom4873]

@@frame-lines ha, no, I was a toddler living in Boston at the time. Still have seen linklater around town a couple of times since moving here in ‘18. Seems like an awesome guy.

[@YoungDirtyMexicanOfficially]

thanx you for this. this does seem to be a lost art.

[@befer]

the fact that this book exists and it portrays something that has been lost, yet so human is just very sad

[@naturalcauses1695]

Me and my friends play video games in a call every night. At the start I thought we got together to play a game, but more and more recently we just join to hang out. I'd like to meet in person more, but with such busy lives its hard to find common time during daylight hours, and none of them drink in the evenings. Unfortunately dropping into a call at any time during the night is just the easiest way to catch-up. Moving to a city next year for University. After a childhood of living in the country with no neighbours near my age, I'm really looking forward to meeting people in person more.

[@frame-lines]

My 24yr old brother does this too. He plays a lot of fortnite and GTA with his friends who all live within a few miles from him. He hangs out with them a lot more online than he does offline, despite them living so close.

[@JulianFelisariLurbe]

great content!

[@frame-lines]

Thanks Julian. It was fun to make and we're very grateful Sage allowed us the time to interview her.

[@cxsey8587]

Kid on the right at 2:54 is cracking me up

[@klarkolofsson]

I hope we will re-connect with the physical world. Much like in the Wall-E movie, childish but simple reference imo.

[@frame-lines]

It's in our hands really. All it takes is awareness and a bit of effort.

[@thecuttingsark5094]

I think your next video should be on the lost art of ‘doing F#*k All’. Just decompressing.

[@foggyvhs8790]

Wait this is everyone I thought I was just the asshole sitting inside

[@backseatbully]

i got one of those and it gave me my best work for sure

[@stevehughes2133]

Computers killed "Hanging out " people used to go outside and interact with others, now even if people venture outside they are usually like zombies just glued to their smart phones, SAD!!

[@gordonbrown5901]

Have you looked at the Fuji X100 or X-pro series?

[@frame-lines]

I have and I like them. Kudos to fuji for still making cameras with at least some kind of OVF

[@nickthaskater]

Too bad they're not true rangefinders, though ​@@frame-lines

[@Valleyplant]

Lol we do this in America you know

[@frame-lines]

No you don't. Not in the same way. Not anymore.

[@fotojobo]

I love how she cant immediately name the camera she uses.

[@theluckystreet]

should've been more than an hour long. wasn't enough

[@frame-lines]

i'm glad you said that - initially it was going to be shorter but i didn't want to edit much out!

[@daniel_913]

Society is boring to photograph now. People rarely do anythign exciting together in the real world. I look for candid moments on the street and it's sad to see most people sitting down with their heads in their phones

[@d00dl3SEd]

Imma say it. Ok boomers

[@Darkest_matter]

People still do this in 3rd world countries

[@Alpha-Andromeda]

Unless you have something against those countries they’re called developing countries

[@BigSKR]

I think you get the point​@@Alpha-Andromeda

[@DDR-ALN]

​@@Alpha-Andromeda Países en desarrollo, tercer mundo, pobres, corruptos, son casi sinónimos

[@_keerp]

​@@Alpha-Andromedabro who asked 😂😂😂

[@job4391]

You're in luck, US is becoming one.

[@p_aulwhite]

Really nice interview! When I was a kid, I only went inside when I was hungry or when it got dark.

[@frame-lines]

Same here! Especially during summer.

[@TheNightwalker247]

I love getting lost. I find the most interesting people and find the best places that way

[@frame-lines]

Same here. It's genuinely exciting and it can pull me out of a rut simply by photographing something new.

[@brodiewall6697]

Hanging out is only lost cause parents don't let their kids go out anymore

[@nevreiha]

sometimes yes. Sometimes it's because it's much easier to go online, which can mean that some people don't want to go outside on a whim. Kids used to knock on each others doors with no pre warning, now because there's the ability to instantly message there is an expectation of planning. Parents used to let their kids out because it was the most interesting thing the kids could do, now due to location services and instant messaging they probably want to know where they are a the time. It's not all down to increased fear but is linked to technology also. In places like North America most kids can't get to their friends without a car, in other places it's easier and safer to walk and bike than in spread out suburban areas (kids are trapped by roads if they have no drivers licence)

[@toyanaydin8248]

Possibly incorrect sweeping statement with nothing to back it up. Tut tut!!

[@nevreiha]

@@toyanaydin8248 this isn't a court of law, people are allowed to suggest things they don't have backing for, people are also allowed to point out a lack of concrete reasoning but theres no reason to act like its a surprise.

[@Elassyahmed]

Also how apartments and housing is built makes a difference. communal spaces, gardens, etc... allow people to go, sit, and meet people without having to plan a hangout

[@BigToody]

I miss hanging out with my friends outside of school just messing around at the park, recording videos, and playing video games. Ah the good old days

[@passenger874]

I miss hanging out

[@frame-lines]

So do we!

[@DenisMark1]

​@@frame-lines I think that's one of the joys of Paulie B.'s walkie talkies, as well as your interview with Niall McDiarmid. They feel like people just hanging out. At some level, isn't that kind of what street photography is? Hanging out and hoping to find something interesting to shoot - and if you don't, there's always tomorrow. Of course you were referring to "hanging out" in the sense of being part of a community, which is different. I would suggest that even today, college kids (like my son) still do hang out with their friends, playing board games, or just being with one another. It's why so many of us look back on those years with such fondness. The last time you could just hang out with your friends before life took over...

[@wylie_photo]

@@DenisMark1 Poignant, but so true.

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

@@DenisMark1so true, my kids are all grown up and moved on my old mates are a hemisphere away and the missus buggered off so these days I hang out with my cameras happy daze haha

[@meenoz]

Hanging out has become catching up. It sucks! 😢

[@minimcune]

what a wonderful conversation, thank you for sharing your insights Sage!

[@frame-lines]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thefieldhag]

loved the topic of "passing time" and getting to hear from an impactful female photographer! adding her to my list of favorites

[@jonbuscall8901]

Fantastic! This is the kind of content I love from the photography community on KZbin. Thank you, and thank you so much Sage for sharing your story.

[@frame-lines]

Thanks for saying Jon. Glad you liked it- we have much more to come :)

[@berzerkrobot]

Your guys' work, publications, and interviews are such a gift of inspiration. I got issue 07 in the mail last week. Thank you!

[@frame-lines]

Genuinely means a lot to hear that. We make the magazines in a bit of a vacuum so it’s always good to hear when people enjoy them :)

[@berzerkrobot]

@@frame-lines I feel that the best art is made in a vacuum from outside opinion, not concerned about what others think; and by extension of that, I think you guys curating art (and additionally creating your own art) in this same manner means it's pure to what you value and appreciate.

[@YungBleach69]

I was born in 2002 so I’m gen z. My friends and I hung out nearly every day in person. I think that maybe the only way that you could know that is if you knew where young people hung out. My friends and I often hung out in fairly secluded areas So that we could do whatever we wanted. No adults to interfere. Hanging out in person is not nearly gone. With so many surveillance cameras in public, it’s no wonder why kids might be afraid to have fun in public. At least, that was my experience. You have a different perspective from the younger people you are talking about. Maybe, if you hadn’t, you could’ve asked younger people of various ages what they do for fun.

[@FilmsbyMae]

I loved this interview, but I do wanna say as a film student and a photographer I have to disagree about her comparison of writing and filmmaking to photography. I think as well as photography, filmmaking IS completely about what it doesn’t include and what it does include. With writing you have the freedom of page count to include each and every detail of the story, but with filmmaking and photography you have to keep it shorter and sweeter.

[@Coffee_n_Opera]

Oh how cool. I get photography now. It’s always been cool… but now it makes sense in my “mind world”- that’s a whole other thing. If you know, you know.

[@lilmichael212]

Exactly what I want this for. I’d rather also get a super ipad with external monitors that can be anywhere at any size. Apple Vision Pro for creatives is a great product. I think the hate is overblown.

[@TheColourAwesomer]

Hanging out is considered anti-social behavior now. :/ Beautiful book.

[@lovelyt8022]

Can I just say that hanging out is still a thing in poorer areas. I grew up in the projects in the 90s, we did a whole lot of hanging out. I remember playing tag with the kids, the older kids would hangout together. We would eat popsicles and chill on the stool with music playing for every side. Limbel would be sold by the corner house and us kids would plan to ask for a quarter to go down the street together

[@rthe0]

if you watch people walking down philadelphia livestreams in zombie town you'll se plenty of this

[@alexbobajex]

dude great interview but at 14:00 you just completely repeat what shes just said and frame it like it 's your question

[@janaekelis]

as someone outside of the global north, we tend to be a few years behind on trends; however that has been speeding up with better access to the outside in the past decade. but i remember watching cnn and fox and hearing americans complain about things that are dying when, we still do it here. slowly we have stopped hanging out due to the risk of harm but it is not dead !!!

[@chrisbone7149]

I enjoyed this discussion so much. Her work is inspiring and her candid views are refreshing.

[@SkaterPoopyPants]

Everybodys on their phone nowadays and doesn't go outside and i told an old friend who isn't my friend anymore this and he told me it was my fault i didn't have friends to go out with or hangout when himself all he ever did was go on tiktok and talk to people out of state like they were really his friends peoples hes never met in his life and he rather talk to them than hangout with his friend that he grew up going to school with ****king hate this generation no wonder everyone so damn lonely people act like this online stuff is really socializing when it reality its a false perception that person over the phone is not going to be there when you want to talk nor will they ever physically help you

[@Miracle7Seven]

I used to do this as a kid…. Now there’s literally no one outside, it’s only been like 13 years god damn why is everyone inside…

[@krekcabnow2910]

You should have slowed down the pace at which you went from one picture to another. It would better reflect your point.

[@bradferguson9840]

2:06 Is someone packing the dishwasher? 😊

[@goodmedicine2600]

I remember hanging out. So great! Great inspiring book.

[@TungstenOvergaard]

This is photography. Not the sh** we consume today as ‘photography’ on KZbin. Hand down for this content.

[@frame-lines]

She is the real deal

[@harambe3363]

lol i like how real she is in how rare these photos are in terms of even being able to do something as candid as this today.

[@RS-Amsterdam]

Nice interview but also good questions. Well done and thanks for sharing !

[@frame-lines]

Thanks so much for watching it :)

[@TedNemeth]

Newbie to your channel. Oh man….seriously I LOVE the concept of this video! YES!…the lost art of just simply …hanging out. Only middle age people i think stop “hanging out”. We are too busy polishing our b*llsh*t. Can I borrow this topic for a future episode?

[@perryvalton4245]

Back in the days we had more time on our hands just chilling with family and friends the world wasn’t so complex as it is now.

[@frame-lines]

I wonder if we’ll ever go back to that sort of lifestyle

[@perryvalton4245]

@@frame-lines That is history.

[@wylie_photo]

Ah, brings back memories of growing up in the 70s and 80s. Getting out with friends on the estate was the thing to do, with many an hour spent playing games and messing around, as well as perhaps getting into a little bit of trouble ;) My kids are between 8 and 13, and their childhood is very different to mine. I've worked in child mental health in the UK for over 20 years, it's busier now than ever.

[@frame-lines]

My entire summers as a kid were just messing around with mates. Playing football, or kerbs, or ‘going on adventures’ - which meant building camps in the woods or hiking up ‘The Devil’s Bit’ Mountain (technically a hill). Then videogames happened and we only wanted to be indoors playing streets of rage

[@wylie_photo]

@@frame-lines Similar for me, except we would mess around on the coast growing up and the video games were on ZX spectrums, which took 5-10 minutes to load each time (if they loaded)! Great video though, food for thought in so many ways!

[@Emppu_T.]

When I ask for people to hang out they say to me to text them instead.

[@nothingiseverperfect]

No more hanging out. No more passing time. It’s just loitering and private property. Work work work

[@frame-lines]

That sounds like a good post punk song.

[@lucialuna3520]

I love the positive lo-fi vibes.

[@JonathanGarcia-qw8re]

I spy my old high school hang out spot, so many memories

[@BowserLucaTheThird]

I have a totally field, but this is all useful to me as well

[@lukemerrill1272]

So good. Thanks to both of you Shane and Sage!

[@Seapatico]

I have been trying to find someone who made great work on the 6x9 Fujis, but this is the first time I feel like I've found truly inspirational work done on one. It's exciting to see (like 40 years after the work was created, lol).

[@frame-lines]

See also Mark Steinmetz - he uses a Fuji 6x9 too with equally beautiful results.

[@fishbrownconnect7927]

My friends and I still hang out. We are a bunch of outcasts in today's society.

[@frame-lines]

Keep that flame alive

[@jacobolsen9135]

That was the perfect mix of inspiration, insight into Sage’s process, and just a little mention gear. Thank you!

[@frame-lines]

I couldn’t help myself talking about gear! :)

[@aartb2836]

You are one a my favorite KZbin channels. Very inspiring. Thanks.

[@frame-lines]

ah wow. Thanks for saying! We're trying to make a lot more videos this year so we hope you like them :)

[@LetArtsLive]

I was documenting my kids childhood. The first decent camera was Canon Rebel 35mm. I still have 50 rolls of film undeveloped I think I have pictures of the circus I should have got them when the elephants were walking down Main Street in Batavia but I didn't get up early enough. I really like those images.. I was talking to B&H Photo they told me they have a good place in New York City I can send them but it's expensive I can do like one role at a time for 50 months probably. Who can afford to pay for film anymore?? I really didn't know photography could be an art..... my first picture I blew it up 25 by 30 in a picture of a big pumpkin with wheels at Akron Park New York..... my father had taken me there and I took my children there because I was a single dad.... that was a very cheap 35 mm camera my grandmother had a long time ago...... that picture is really good..... so they had an art show and I put it in there and some quirky people were there I'm not that I'm not quirky and they're saying why did you leave the water bottle in the picture I could have had it covered up by the matting. I said because it tells a story we were drinking water it wasn't really an advertisement for Poland Spring but it gives it character..... years later I went back with a digital camera not really expensive one I photographed it and I don't know I think it came out better .. cameras everywhere but some people have to say what are you doing... I see Life Through My Lens ... I have the Annie Leibovitz book it has a lot of famous people from the 60s even naked Arnold Schwarzenegger almost naked in bed with a pumped up guy LOL John Lennon photo with Yoko. There was a video on Netflix Rock God photographers Robert M night was the last one to photograph Stevie Ray Vaughan before he died.. man I'd like to get that book but he lives in New Zealand I would like one first edition signed but I doubt I will ever get one..... yeah you made a lot of people when you're doing film and photography like I do..... I got to film Molly Hatchet in the middle of nowhere a place called The Ridge in Leroy New York where you could bring a camera well the film is not the best I got to meet them and we got our t-shirts signed another time I went and met Eddie Money and I gave him a picture of Rochester I was kind of shy he was shy nobody was there because nobody wanted to buy a t-shirt for the veterans I didn't have the money that's why I gave him a picture he loved Rochester and I have a really good picture of the falls.. I want to move there so I can get known here there is nobody at an art show there there was 3,000 people..... I learned how to make my own songs because KZbin kept on putting ads on my things are taking the sound off so I got pissed off and I made my own so now KZbin puts ads on videos but not on Eddie money lol there are Bands That like me because some of them are gone a lot of them are gone the guy in Molly Hatchet is gone.... but it's the story behind the images that is good..... we were camping out in the woods and there was bands all weekend and I had my boys with me and we ate really good roast beef sandwiches from the red osier in men were they good I wasn't drinking I smoked a little I don't think it helped me but yeah I love the story

[@evergreatest3986]

I hang out all the time

[@stuartjackson8091]

I still hang out ,

[@CameraNostalgiaClub]

Oh god didn’t think I’d be getting nostalgic for hanging out 😅 great video! But genuinely worried where the world is going 😂

[@steveborn5986]

Oh how I remember

[@storiestellr]

what an incredible book, and photographer. thanks for this! awesome interview.

[@chopster01]

Passing Time is a wonderful book. I have most of her books except ”Animals,” which is now beyond my budget. This interview is a treasure. I especially love her comments about contemporary self-consciousness and the toll it takes on more realistic photography.

[@h0rriphic]

People still do this 💀 all the time.

[@frame-lines]

I’d argue that they don’t

[@changein3d]

I love how she is not just repeating the same platitudes like “everything was better back then” or “today you could never do that”. She is just adapting as the times change and goes along. That shows that she is really just out there doing her thing instead of hanging on the internet the whole day and complaining about modern times (like a lot of commentators it seems)

[@Mojokiss]

what a great and somewhat frustratingly enigmatic topic

[@JasonCRomero]

Damn, this was a good one

[@frame-lines]

Cheers Jason. Glad you liked it man

[@Bizarreparade]

I love these photos. The more images that get created and dumped into the world the more it seems to devalue the image in general. Maybe thats my own cynicism. These images are great and they kick my cynicism's ass! Glad they made it through time to remind me of what great photos look like and how it used to be.

[@ArchiesLens]

Enjoyed this chat! Really love her insight

[@frame-lines]

Thanks Archie! Glad you enjoyed it

[@itsahoax]

Excellent! thank you both for your time and effort

[@frame-lines]

Happy you enjoyed it :)

[@Bluecollar_Berean]

I love the discussion on the art of photography and process I’m 55 and I really miss the days in those photos…subscribed 😄

[@paultaylorphotography9499]

Interesting Interview thanks both of you, enjoyed that. Cracking photography Sage. Photos take on so much more importance literally with the passing of time. I shoot for newspapers as well as my own projects, I shoot a lot of events and getting permission to shoot kids is a high priority these days. I have to get folks names for the paper and a couple of times only it's happened where I take a nice candid shot of someone then ask for their names and get a DELETE NOW response....I still remember both shots. Here in NZ people still hang out together, it's just that they tend to always to connected to their phones, it's a very familiar thing right now but in 40 years when folk are moulded to chairs with microchips in their brains and no need to ever leave your pod, they will look back at todays Images the way we look at shots from the 70s and 80s.

[@frame-lines]

I do think that's why it's so important to persist with street photography even if it's sometimes frowned upon or misunderstood. Sage however, always asked for consent which you can see in the photos. I recommend a healthy mix of both. :)

[@tonydesarzec907]

Great interview. Thank you!

[@frame-lines]

Thanks Tony! Glad you enjoyed it

[@nikorobinson4017]

FRAMELIIIIINES 🎉😂

[@nikorobinson4017]

Thanks!

[@dianeschuller]

I really appreciated your interview / conversation with Sage but also your thoughts on her book. Thank you. I would have liked to know if she gets written consent from those she photographs. {Does she carry around model releases etc to get full contact information along with their name.}

[@frame-lines]

I doubt she got written consent from everyone in her photos- it would be too impractical and at the time it wouldn't have been such a big issue as it is now. I can ask her in a follow up though :)

[@JJ_Photo]

Very nice interview, and a fantastic photographer. Btw, try the EVF on a Leica SL2/SL2-S. We are very close to a realistic view here.

[@frame-lines]

It’s close but it’s still a screen that your eye has to adjust to. Maybe my old eyes take longer than everyone else’s 😅

[@DistortionControl]

I found this interview quite insightful, and it certainly prompted considerable reflection on my part as to some of the developments in the U.S. occurring over the last 40 years that have surely played a role in the decline of "hanging out" as depicted in the images. A few things that stand out to me include a hotter climate and air conditioning's having become nearly ubiquitous, even in relatively resource-deprived areas; the rise of gun violence and the reasonable concerns that accompany that; the development and popularity of digital entertainment from social media to videogames; and a general increase in fears of the potential dangers posed by strangers. Given that, it would be difficult to argue that any nostalgia elicited by the images and the comity and camaraderie they suggest is misplaced, in spite of the fact much positive progress has also occurred over the last four decades.

[@frame-lines]

I found it interesting that it wasn't just a unique American experience. Despite growing up in Ireland in the 80s, I related just as much to Sage's images as any American because I had similar experiences of 'hanging out' when I was young. That's an experience that's also all but disappeared in Ireland where air conditioning and gun violence are non-issues. Primarily, if you look at young people now, they spend most of their time in an entirely new space- they hang out online.

[@larryfischer638]

Love the interview!

[@frame-lines]

Thanks Larry. Glad you liked it!

[@Jeff_St_John]

Great Interview! Enjoyed this very much on many levels.

[@frame-lines]

Thanks Jeff! Def give sage a follow and let her know you enjoyed it :)

[@andrewgifford7740]

Beautiful project and great introduction to Sage's work, thanks both! Interesting re the lag/delay on the EVFs. Not something I'd noticed, but then I currently make photos of mainly static subjects. Is this lag/delay on startup or is it an ongoing thing - and is it something particular to a certain GFX model?

[@frame-lines]

You only really notice it if you switch between optical and electronic viewfinders. If you have both then I recommend comparing them side by side. Theres no blackout on a rangefinder and your eye isn’t constantly adjusting to a display that’s half an inch from your eyeball whenever you lift the camera.

[@andrewgifford7740]

@@frame-lines Cool, thanks. Sorry for a gear Q when the interview wasn't really about this! I have EVF-only and my eye seems used to it, so I'll flounder on.

[@robertoposa1120]

Great interview and great book - just ordered 😀thanks for the video

[@frame-lines]

Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for ordering Sage's book! It's such a great one.

[@bamoida110]

THANK YOU

[@therearedoors]

Great interview.

[@YOUAREMYKIN]

🤌✨❤