Jovian Life Forms: Speculative Zoology From My Past

[@pacotaco1246]

You should revamp this project with your current knowledge set and release it as a book. Imagine a Nature Book style Spec Evo book about your jovian ecologies

[@powdertoyguy]

Good work, your teenage you would get a 9/10 on my score of best speculative teenages.

[@Ditidos]

Interesting, but considering the low density of gas giants I wonder if these kinds of organisms are more likely to appear in Venus-like planets, rocky planets with dense atmospheres in which it is easy to float around.

[@PZMyersBiology]

Now you've got me wondering about prebiotic chemistry on Jupiter. The thing that would differ between earth and gas giants is that we know about localized sites where the chemistry is concentrated -- deep sea rifts and the like, and mineralized deposits that can house protobionts. I wonder if there would be anything analogous in a gas giant. It can't simply be a smear of diffuse molecules.

[@LimeyLassen]

The storm systems on Jupiter are oddly stable, so there's that.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

​@LimeyLassen it'd need to be fairly small storm systems for unicellular life to not be torn apart, but they may also function to clump particles into dense patches between them, where the heavier particles sink back down past the lighter ones, somewhat analogous to marine snow. It would seem the most likely sources of a chemical soup that isn't extremely destructive to complex particles.

[@carafurry7862]

These lill guys look adorable definitely coming back in 2 hours to watch this

[@powdertoyguy]

Well fear not the video is out.

[@willadeefriesland5107]

I always regret not having bought the book 'After Man' when I could have. The 'future' evolution of rabbits into the deer niche and rats into that of wolves, 'haunts' me to this very day...

[@saltenzy449]

Gotta love gas giant life! I ended up making my first foray's into spec via gas giant biospheres in highschool. Still plan on getting back to that project eventually but now I can come back to it with a lot more knowledge.

[@chriscooper654]

My own doodling, weird-creature phase wasn't as structured or productive as yours, but I still remember it fondly. Thanks for sharing!

[@ashenen2278]

This is some decent well thought out worldbuilding actually!

[@powdertoyguy]

10:15 Ophabinia refernce! Opaphinia has also a mouth that wors like an camera diaghpram.

[@Phrenotopia]

This actually predates my knowledge of Opabinia, so it was quite the premonition. 😁

[@juanisol8275]

Wow!! Marvelous Bestiary of the Inhabitants Aliens of the Cosmos!! Increíble Júpiter Wildlife! Remainds me to the Floating World from Dragón Hunters!!

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

Already I'm obsessed

[@cachalotreal]

I relate to him alot. When i find something interesting i’d make my own versions of said thing

[@lahavmorris9919]

Has potential

[@pacotaco1246]

chemical potential

[@xuanluu4873]

Yooo, new video! Hope you and your family is doing well!

[@orbismworldbuilding8428]

This is really cool! I like young you's creations, and look forward to whatever is next ^^

[@Denneth_D.]

Agreed and hello my fellow specbio enjoying spectrum peep

[@orbismworldbuilding8428]

@@Denneth_D. hello once again friend ^^ How've you been?

[@Denneth_D.]

@@orbismworldbuilding8428 I’ve been fine tho for about a week my internet was down

[@Phrenotopia]

Thank you so much!

[@chriss2031]

Lovely video about your past ideas. You know that that giant floater idea of yours require for the thing to be able to become... literally ages old? fascinating idea. Reminds me on an idea of mine of a sentient solitary bee like being that'd nested in high place, building its nest out of silk. But i always fiddled with the issue of that thing being somewhere near half the size of a human, and with a brain large enough to produce some decent intelligence that always ended up with me wondering if that thing can even be airborn in the first place with bee like wings. Given the old ssue of size vs. volume vs. mass ratio. Sure it has 6 limbs to make use of for climbing, still, some medicor flight ability without haveing easily breakable glass bones would be a boon. After all, the goal is to have a safe nesting place that near nothing can reach. I yet have to find a solution to it that i'd be happy with...

[@Alpha1918]

Yeah that's crazy. A life form becoming large enough to house ecosystems and therefore having to live for a long time. Other life forms would evolve to be completely dependent on the "solid ground it provides." They would live their lives and reproduce on these large floaters, and then the floaters reproduce some would hitch a ride on the newly birthed ones. A dangerous game to play but super interesting.

[@steveyoungwork]

excellent

[@Naturalistenthusiast]

You should publish this as a book. I would get it

[@Hwelhos]

good to see another vid, amazing quality, love it

[@talonkaine7121]

looks so cool, ive been looking for tons of inspiration for spec evo alot, so i really like this!

[@Phrenotopia]

Glad you like it!

[@phillipmullen9558]

This is the best video of this type that I found in a long time

[@reignrl]

i love these kinds of videos

[@Denneth_D.]

It’s nice seeing his old art I’ve looked at my old art I did not to long ago and man I should revisit my stuff (old specbio & worldbuilding I did)

[@doddermodd]

Why did every teenager who ever started a speculative evolution project make disk plants?

[@pacotaco1246]

We all watched cosmos

[@willadeefriesland5107]

Darwin would enjoy and applaud the work you did when you were younger. I applaud your producing this video showcasing it. 🙂

[@jtktomb8598]

That was fantastic on many levels

[@ekbergiw]

This is great 😄 thanks so much for sharing this. If there were a large number of small sinkers i wonder if there might be "catchers" of some kind. Like floaters with an upturned cone to gather a large amount of sinkers and guiding them down to a small central mouth 🤷🏼😄 idk i love thinking about stuff like this

[@caseyriggs6264]

You should turn this into an e-book, maybe even with a audiobook-style recording for each page and creatures.

[@LimeyLassen]

Love this content! Are there other speculative biology channels you recommend?

[@cariyaputta]

Curious Archive

[@powdertoyguy]

​@@cariyaputta only curious archive.

[@pacotaco1246]

Biblaridion

[@sithalo]

Ive heard of the idea of possible giant creatures existing in a gas giant before but never considered parasitic or symbiotic possible relationships. Thinking about it that would be an interesting location for a survival game. Crash land ontop of such a massive city sized creature just drifting through the atmosphere. A veritable ecosystem on its back. Various large and small parasites or symbionts existing as a forest of sorts. I think a survival game similar to Subnautica but set on the back of a giant floating citysized if not larger life form would make for an interesting game.

[@Tony_161]

Awesome draw , very nice !

[@monsterx3055]

i too enjoyed both cosmos and starcom as a boy

[@alexanderberrones2165]

I feel like the mysterious predator near the end doesn’t fly but instead leaps onto its prey using it small claws to grasp on to the pray to attack and consume the prey

[@assemblyrequired7342]

Ah, Jovian life... There is arguably no form of macroscopic life more exotic. And with clouds are far as the eye could see, you couldn't get a more exotic landscape either, assuming that you can get past the massive Van Allen radiation belt. I remember some books as a child also having sections that would speculate about alien life, even in our own solar system, including this one weird form of Venusian life that I recall resembling Golem (the Pokemon, not the mythical clay automaton it is named after). Those were always the parts of those books that truly wowed by imagination. I imagine that could spend hours just flying above the planet-sized swirling storm clouds, watching the massive lightning storms below.

[@manosdeperro]

Awesome !

[@megalosaurusstudios2]

I’d love to see you flesh out this world and flesh out those bonus creatures

[@thisyhis7698]

1000th like, anyways, this is awesome!

[@deathbyseatoast8854]

damn new vid? nice

[@EyesFullyFelt]

That is such a cool idea to have living platforms made by life floating on the planet's ocean of air - and to see creatures evolving to sapiance in this world that seemingly is so bizarre to imagine life even forming on! I do wonder how they could manage - they'll lack metal, lack soooo many resources that were essential to our society's development, I do wonder if this species will be able to find some way to develop society, and eventually reach the stars, where the constraints of eons will finally be lifted, which would be an amazing experience. This is such a fascinating scenario, because they quite literally might be able to develop some form of society and remain stable for millions of years, eg pre-agricultural forms of society (one of them being hunter-gather societies), but the conditions might just never arise that allows agriculture due to the limitations of the planet. This could continue for tens of millions, even hundreds of millions of years, all while the species goes through countless sapient generations. It is incorrect to think that 'primitive' tribes do not develop technology, just because they never reach industrilization, even in our world where places are not industrilized, does not mean all of our innovations are the ones that work the best. In fact, a lotta times, the designs and tech that tribes find is more reliable, efficient, and effective than what the most advanced societies make, so in fact, the tribes using wood and stone are more advanced than those working with silicon chips and AI at times. They often spend countless hours working communally on innovations, finding new ways to do things, and even if their works look less advanced, the designs can be more efficient, such as a tribe using their limited agricultural land much more effectively. This could be amplified to the extreme in this world. This would be the world they know - the natural order, agricultural might never develop, or only as a partial substitute for other means of nutrition. These sapient beings could manage to never develop technology as humanity did - they would not have reached the end of the tech tree they could access, but instead the tech tree is seen to be vastly, vaaastly, vaaaaastly bigger than ever imagined - they could travel down other branches - all of the other branches, over tens of millions or hundreds of millions of years. All of this knowledge would be amassed, held by tribal wisdom, songs, passed down through objects and lessons, eventually passed down through writing or another system, an even more effective system humanity might never have discovered. Over the eons, these people would gain insights of the cosmos beyond our understanding, all while 'trapped' on their planet, but becoming enlightened vastly beyond us, possibly in ways we never could, because of their origin. Eventually, after eons, they might have amassed so much possibility, such as by long-term genetic engineering (even in our world, in a single human lifetime a species can be profoundly augmented by very low-tech means of selective breeding, lookup Soviet fox puppies), they could augment a species to allow them to reach the planet's metalic core and gather resources (along with the other useful substances closer to the core but impossibly dangerous to traverse without this biological 'submarine'). With this, they could fly to one of the nearby moons, bring back all the metal they could ever need - it would possibly take tens of thousands of years to amass enough due to the extreme costs of space flight, especially to escape a gas giant's gravitational pull, but the progress would speed up and up over time, and they'd settle the solar system along the way, even building mega projects, finding new ways and getting towards their ideals. The wisdom of hundreds of millions of yesrs propelling them, hundreds of thousands of generations of their ancestors pushing them, they would push onwards on finally go. Once the foundation had been laid, and technology would now already be heights impossible for us to imagine due to their insane engineering prowess and insights, they could take to the stars. Within a few years or ?decades?, or maybe it would take centuries still, but it'd be quick, they'd have a Type 2 civilization. Within a few ?thousand to ?tens of thousand (presuming FTL is possible or some other method like wormholes is possible... which if it is, they'll find it, or almost certainly already know if its possible, given their astronomy they studied for millions of generations) they would span as a galactic civilization, in the blink of an eye from a plant locked society to an intergalactic cosmapolitian development-defying peoples. These societies might be better than we can ever imagine, because they just had so much development on their planet locked to grow and explore (or the opposite might be true). While in our world, most of humanity's chonological history is not accounted for by our modern conceptions... perhaps their ideals would break this, and maybe they'd be much better off for their hundreds of millions of years spent in societal reflection. What a wonderful concept you've fomented me into discovery now ^*^

[@Phrenotopia]

Thank you very much for the compliments and for your reflections!

[@barankhan4491]

9/10 is better ❤🎉

[@francardozo5231]

I loved your video, new subscriber, please return to that project, I wanted to know more about that gaseous world and its creatures

[@Phrenotopia]

Thank you! Will do!

[@meli-melo9759]

I am making my own speculative evolution project too!

[@willadeefriesland5107]

A story needs to be crafted utilizing your amazing, detailed creatures. One that you could also narrate...

[@shanevinzant6935]

I literally did something so similar about a planet on an abnormally bright red dwarf sun. This planet was called enkurba 10. I made like 60 lifeforms good times

[@Concavenator128]

Absolutely wonderful work. How would the "ground"-based biota move from a floating platform to another? Floating larvae/seeds, I suppose? Or would they move when two floaters collide? In the latter case, their diversity must be astonishing -- a planet-wide Galapagos.

[@chimera9818]

My theory is probably one of two : there is way for them to pass through the reproduction process of the floaters and or keeping the ability to fly even as babies that the specie at the end evolve to keep (maybe as way to spread itself more and rise chance of survival, assuming it is sapient it could help in migration and creating somewhat of civilizations )

[@Concavenator128]

@@chimera9818 Ooh, that works! Either binding themselves to the floater's own offspring -- like the algae in the propagules of lichens, or fungi clinging to orchid seeds -- or having floating/flying "planktonic" larval stages that shed their flying organs upon reaching a good substrate.

[@tysondennis1016]

It would be cool if we found life on a gas giant

[@orsonzedd]

You ought to work on juvenile forms of the land ones, maybe they're free floating before settling down and maturing on a platform

[@woutdossche7639]

Are you by any chance Belgian or Dutch? I mean, the book you show at the beginning is in Dutch, as well as your notes. But your channel info says Norwegian, but I don't believe that, I am pretty sure your Dutch, is that right?

[@DerekCFPegritz]

I've often maintained that _anywhere_ that carbon chemistry exists there is the possibility--or, perhaps, the inevitability--of life. Life (or, at least, life as we know it) is really nothing more than complex carbon chemistry, and common chemistry works in a _very_ wide range of environments, from scalding hot geothermal vents at the bottom of Earth's oceans to cryogenic environments like Titan. Gas giants possess multiple viable temperature ranges and a staggering amount of organic molecules to work with.

[@cursedalien]

One question: what clade gave rise to the hunters?

[@paulinalevina9690]

Good, that you weren´t rejected from art school You know

[@Cellulose_1]

I just noticed that the language is in German on the paper. Jager means hunter in German how I know, this video and the beginning scene of Pacific.

[@Phrenotopia]

It's Dutch actually :)

[@Cellulose_1]

@@Phrenotopia Oh, Ok, also I really liked this video.

[@Ujm7m7M7n]

If this was a book I would go rabid over it

[@Denneth_D.]

Have you made a tidally locked world before?

[@Phrenotopia]

Yes. Proxima Centauri. 🙂

[@Denneth_D.]

@@Phrenotopia I remember now Wished it was fleshed out more creature wise imo

[@UselessGus]

Where's the next video?

[@Phrenotopia]

Coming in the near future

[@Naturalistenthusiast]

The new edition of cosmos doesn’t have the illustrations of Sagan’s Jupiter life in it. Did the original version you read have them?

[@Phrenotopia]

Yes, it does! Let me try to dig it up again from storage...

[@Naturalistenthusiast]

Okay

[@binarybiosphere]

Wait are you from the Nederlands?

[@radudancoroian5169]

Idk if anyone will see it as I am late but: I have my own evo spec project but I suck at chemistry. How can I learn to integrate some chemistry into my project?

[@Voomal123]

Are you dutch, afrikaans or german?

[@Citrobyte]

Danish

[@Phrenotopia]

Dutch but living in Denmark and I know Afrikaans

[@randigo9992]

It should be revived cause you have a better knowledge of speculative evolution and also recently speculative evolution became mor popular too

[@paulinalevina9690]

Bist du deutsch?

[@shampaofficial88]

Hello, l can reach you

[@Phrenotopia]

How can I help you?