One Twin Goes Vegan, One Does Not: Fascinating Results | Dr. Christopher Gardner | Exam Room Podcast

[@Joseph1NJ]

Chris from Plant Chompers is an extraordinarily skilled communicator. Which is to say, a scientist who just happens to know how to make really great content.

[@annemccarron2281]

Isn't it great that people like Chris from Plant Choppers has so much extra time on his hands to put together the quality podcast he produces? Great job! Great!

[@masher1042]

Ya Love his content!

[@mariagiakalis4615]

One of the best Exam Room podcasts I have seen. Tremendously interesting subject matter. Congratulations to all involved in the study. ❤

[@Joseph1NJ]

Really? There was so much not discussed. I thought the host went off topic frequently, not making the best of their time. I don't dislike Chuck, but this was not one of his best.

[@PhysiciansCommittee]

So glad you enjoyed it!

[@Grybyx]

I'm 96 % wfpb, just a little fish, psoriasis virtually gone after years of useless ointments. Weight down from 92 to 75 kg despite halving my exercise! Feel remarkable for 60 yo.

[@annebastian5613]

Always a learning experience with Chuck!!

[@annemccarron2281]

What an inspiring podcast. It motivates me to keep with my vegan diet. Happy to hear such positive results.

[@PhysiciansCommittee]

We're so happy to hear you found it inspiring, and we appreciate you watching! ☺

[@carolwong9279]

Chuck, I would Like Dr. Gardner to address the recommendation of a high protein diet for osteoporosis recommended by so many menopause doctors. Thank you ❤

[@sandram5664]

Saw the end live, coming back to watch the beginning. Very interesting to hear more of the background science.

[@Kayte...]

Plant Chompers Chris to the rescue. Glad he volunteered his expertise to help.

[@georgewilson7808]

I suffered from metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar). I went whole food plant based no sugar or oil and low salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I used to have an appetite that was never satisfied; whole foods cured it. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap-Beans, lentils, sprouted flourless grain bread, rice, oats, potatoes and seasonal apples. Also, I save money by not having to buy pills or visit the Doctor. I am thankful to all the vegans who suffered attacks to reveal the truth to me.

[@Grybyx]

Exam Room Chuck, a suggestion for a future show would be FDA requires processed food to be labelled with nutritional info but allows 20% accuracy!

[@PeggyKey]

Always loved listling to Chris. Great video

[@moniqueprouten9109]

Love your look today Chuck! Love the hair! Lol got that out of the way. Now I can listen and learn. Your questions are great and I like watching anything that you host. I always end up learning so much....so thank you Chuck!❤❤

[@jakubchrobry3701]

Thomas DeLauer is one of those influencers who attacked the twin study. He doesn't have much of a science education that uses science to trick people into believing that his high-meat, high-fat diet is healthy. He eats a lot of ground beef and had to eat at McDonalds while in Europe to get his daily pound. He believes ground beef is anti-inflammatory because it contains glutamine.

[@Grybyx]

Yes those animal based influencers believe we should eat like lions despite our dna being nearly identical to chimps?

[@truongsinh9955]

I'm 3 years deep into the Carnivore diet. It's changed my life tremendously in a positive way.

[@georgewilson7808]

What is your LDL at?

[@ngana8755]

Why look at LDL cholesterol levels when ApoB is a superior marker for assessing cardiovascular disease risk?

[@DonaldCorum-m3j]

I have had a healthy diet for several years, but regret that I did not start sooner. My old motto as a distance runner was "If the furnace is hot enough, it will burn anything". That is so not true. Michelle Obama's attempt at improving school lunches was met with outright rebellion. She was on the right track, though. We need to start eating healthy foods from birth.

[@beanburrito8903]

What a cool 😎 dude ❤ Great vibes. This man has an amazing spirit.

[@MegaGreencarebear]

Great guest, great study! I was surprised by the results also. 👏

[@georgewilson7808]

New Study released 08/20/2024. Regularly eating red (beef and pork) and processed meats in particular is associated with a higher risk of TYPE 2 DIABETES, according to an analysis of data from 31 study cohorts published Tuesday in the journal The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. Researchers analyzed data from nearly 2 million people across 20 countries.

[@mylaughinghog]

I wish the study could have been longer to evaluate more than the short term effects of the different diets.

[@sagemountainspirit8592]

What is the Netflix thing? Id love to watch (Vegan here)

[@PhysiciansCommittee]

The documentary series is called "You Are What You Eat: A Twin Experiment." There are four episodes, and it is available on Netflix ☺

[@white-rabbit93]

Great job

[@rbes7803]

Interesting, thanks. Plant Chompers also did a very good review on Peter Attia's book.

[@warrenrae32]

This great to hear and it’s what I expect ……but a request to Dr Chris Gardener …..can you test keto against vegan diet instead of omnivore against vegan ? There is such a claim coming from carnivore/keto vs vegan that their way is superior Although I’d bet vegan is better I’d like to see a study/trial to compare….

[@joelwhigham4170]

Awesome

[@northerncoloradotransparen1454]

I love watching plant Chompers.

[@fredsmit3481]

Thanks for this video. I'm mostly carnivore in ketosis which has improved my health. I do like learning about other opinions and research. I think the more research the better 🙂 Many people see benefits from a carnivore diet and I would love to see long-term research on carnivore and real keto diets. One issue with LDL-C is that it is only a marker which may or may not be a good predictor of cardiovascular health. There has been some recent research with people with extremely high LDL-C which looked inside their blood vessels for Atherosclerosis and they were plaque free. Thus, if you really want to measure cardiovascular health, the next time, ignore LDL-C and perform a scan of their arteries. It's more expensive, but it's way more useful data.

[@georgewilson7808]

UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate high fat (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.

[@fredsmit3481]

@@georgewilson7808 Thanks for your comment. How did they measure the risk for a heart attack? Like I mentioned in my post, did they scan arteries (accurate) or did they use LDL-C (not accurate). If they scanned arteries, I would be very interested in the study and I would even change my diet.

[@georgewilson7808]

@@fredsmit3481 I think they look at who had heart attacks and who didn't and what they ate. Here is another one: A Harvard study: Association of Animal and Plant Protein Intake With All-Cause and Cause Specific Mortality. Researchers brought in a large group of people and they looked at the protein they ate and who lived and who died. They controlled for the cholesterol and the fat so they could look just at the effect of the protein. Conclusion: Animal protein is always associated with higher cardiovascular mortality. Plant protein was inversely associated with all cause mortality.

[@fredsmit3481]

@@georgewilson7808 Thanks, I'll check it out.

[@In0Agent]

Спасибо за Кристофера, очень интерестно🙂

[@carm954]

Unfortunately, when I was basically happily eating in plant-based diet, my blood sugar went out of control. Definitely not blaming the food, but the fact that my kidneys had already been disrupted, I already had type two and never knew it, and was probably eating bar too many carbs that my body could handle considering the fact that I now had not only type two where I was scoring a 10 on average unlike the 5.2 to 6.7 that I score now and I was already developing kidney disease and was at the end of CKD 2. my diet consisted of multiple vegetables with salad, olive oil, avocado, oil, buckwheat, quinoa, other grains, different types of rice, potatoes, but different varieties, and I did believe in eating the rainbow. I still do. And, I was also eating bread. But as my blood sugar continued to go out of control, no matter how hard I worked at it, I had to go back to eating meets. It calmed everything down. I do eat grass fed organic, I do eat more eggs than anything else and I do eat different types of fish but not much. Better education sooner in life with best suit most people. Pushing for that is more important than beating the dead horse at the other end. At least that’s my opinion. I spent decades trying to educate many about food as I was in a position to do so. But I had to reach the adults first. The ones who were making the food at home and sending the junk food with their children to school be at elementary, middle school or high school. The industries that surround our unnecessarily large, grocery stores, have won the campaign on what is “healthy” in more ways than not with the average American human. Most of my life was eating vegetarian vegan would have you. Most of all because I was never a big fan of meat. I did not mind fish on occasion , my mother was making beans! I had a really adverse effect beans because she used far too many onions with them which really did a number on me! But I also eat “processed” foods now to help me get through everything and one of them is hearts of palm, Rice and hearts of palm pasta. I already use cauliflower in multiple recipes, even if I eat beans. I will pretend that there is actually more beans by having the bits of cauliflower. I have substituted Meat with cauliflower, beans with the different colors of carrots, all this when I’m making chili. If I want to use “Rice” it will be served over cauliflower rice. I make a very good curry, the same way, but of course with different spices and other additives like coconut milk/cream whatever I can find. But, with unhealthy kidneys, it’s really difficult to go totally plant-based at this point. I was with friends one who is ass scientist/nutritionist person, and I did bring all the appropriate plant-based items to our get together and only ate the items I brought just to show her what happens. All of my food was “clean “everything was organic, Ables were not root vegetables or nightshades, and the basis of my particular food was hummus as I had already eaten two salads that day and was sharing this with others so it made it easier. My blood sugar shot up as it usually does when I have anything that is a carbohydrate even though I had just a quarter of a cup to over 100 mg/gL and actually stayed there for well over two hours. Never did go much lower. Although I did not walk immediately after this, we were continually moving just not walking. I find it very difficult to Liada “simple“ plan if there’s an interruption of any kind in your health, which in my case was, I imagine unique and getting strep throat. Every month won’t go into the details, but I had already not been able to recover from the very last strep throat I ever had because I was told I was getting the latest antibiotic, which turned out not to be correct, even though the doctor was “number one “in his field. He was not correct. From there, finally found a doctor after 15 years to find the true “cause“ of my continual , monthly strep throat. Totally associated to exactly what I kept complaining about which had been determined to be “in my head”… Not in my head after all. Thankfully, I found the doctor through another amazing Doctor Who covered both of my situations as I felt that they were associated. He turned out to be a scientist in this area and I am so grateful to this very day although he passed away a good 12 years ago. I am very thankful to him for the quality of life I’ve had since. But, it did come with complications because of not being given the correct information as time went on from the doctors that I did go to regarding my diabetes never telling me I had to let alone kidney disease. No clue. From there, we should’ve been able to , figure it out. That never happened. Grateful for these discussions, but it is truly imperative that people understand that we are each unique individuals, we may not apply all the knowledge that has been gathered through these types of studies, so we need to proceed cautiously to make sure that we are approaching it and the best way possible. Because I do feel if I started off 100% plant base, Especially for someone with my genetic make up, it would have been ideal. I would like for these types of podcasts to reach younger people not just people that are already “their“ so to speak. But younger ones who are learning about food. There’s enough social media out there, now if there was just a way to reach these younger people in a way that helps them to make better decisions. After all, there’s quite a few influencers out there , influencing younger people, certainly there might be some who can help deliver this message to them. Amen! And all the best to all of you for all you do to educate all of us! Thankful.

[@11235Aodh]

Walter Kempner's stage 4 kidney patients (this was before dialyses were invented) were put on a very low protein diet of only white rice, fruit juice some added vitamins and sugar to spare their kidneys. With type 2 diabetes i'd stop eating fat so the insulin resistance can be cleared from the cells and glucose delivery can normalize and with poor kidney's i'd go low protein. All that's left is 100% plants.

[@ksitigarbha9787]

I wouldn't eat oils

[@keehotee1357]

Now try an oil free, low salt diet vs healthy vegan.

[@JakeRichardsong]

This scientist communicates well. The vegan twin's biological clocks indicated he was younger. I wonder what would happen if they repeated the test with one vegan and one carnivore. Would the carnivore twin age by 20 years more?

[@notrueflagshere198]

A lot of smart people love meat and that influences their conclusions.

[@MrsShimmyOnDown]

Lost me at his claim that being pro Moderna injections is being scientifically literate.

[@delwoodkelp8590]

Double each time

[@dkeota]

How do vegans maintain B-12 levels?

[@BradStelmach]

Supplement every day. Do your research, for your personal situation and needs.

[@michaelworsham2724]

Very careful attention to diet, or, I think most (myself included) take a B-12 supplement.

[@mylaughinghog]

There are foods, like nutritional yeast, that have B12 added at some point in the food chain. The B12 supplements I have enough B12 in each tab for 5 1/2 years of rda. I take about 1/4 of a tablet each week, but that is probably too much. The next time I buy B12, it will be a much lower dose.

[@Islam-11]

I think the way meat maintain B12, livestock are given supplement as well.

[@beepbeepnj2658]

The same way slim and fit, rich and wealthy McDougall, Jay Dinshah, Richard Simmons, Steve Jobs, Dr. Clive McCay, Dr. Henry. S Lodge, Nathan Pritikin, Casey Kasem, Davy Jones, Euell Gibbons, Dr. Paavo Airola, Susan Levin RD, Sylvester Graham and Mr. Rogers got it. Even though they hurt their health at least they tried to outsmart nature by taking synthetic unregulated supplements the body does not recognize. The good thing is at least the body can recognize and absorb the cyanide in the lab made B12 pill.

[@jakerichards6375]

Quitzon Mountain

[@williamhenry3337]

I am definitely NOT part of the Vegan Cult BUT this is is the first sensible vegan study that I have seen. I will still go with the 5,000 year study covering millions of people. It's called the Mediterranean Diet and includes some meat, cheese, eggs and up to one liter of olive oil a week.

[@k.h.6991]

The omnivores in this study were eating basically the Mediterranean diet.

[@jasontaylor500]

Up to 1 liter of olive oil a week. I really hope your not serious. 1 Liter = 1000 ml. 1 ml = 9 calories. That is up to 9,000 calories a week. Assuming you eat 2,000 calories a day you are eating about 60% of your calories from just olive oil... Good luck.

[@11235Aodh]

Olive oil is 12% saturated fat, this isn't a healthfood. Mediterranean are healthy despite the olive oil, not because of it.

[@miketaylor110]

The 5000 year study where no health outcome data was collected, you mean? 🙄

[@InfiniteQuest86]

Haha, yeah you can eat a butt load of vegan food and not hit the calorie count of omnivore. It's hard to get more calories. Most people would benefit since most people are overweight. But not good if you need to maintain or gain weight.

[@JRawRose]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[@InfiniteQuest86]

@@JRawRose I'm not sure what there is to explain. Try to overeat broccoli to gain weight and come back to apologize.

[@JRawRose]

​@@InfiniteQuest86 Thanks for proving my point, but don't take it personally, very few people know what they're talking about when it comes to Nutrition. Food for thought... #1) Humans are NOT even designed to Eat Broccoli! #2) Broccoli has 154 Calories/lb. ---- 19.5 lb. = 3,000 Calories #3) Durians have 697 Calories/lb. ---- 4.3 lb. = 3,000 Calories One good size Durian is well over 3,000 Calories and I could easily EAT 1 of those a day without any problem because they taste just like Cheese Cake. Btw, if you're going to create a Straw Man, why didn't you choose Tomatoes at only 82 Calories/lb. where it takes 37 lb. = 3,000 Calories or Celery at only 63 Calories/lb. where it takes 48 lb. = 3,000 Calories?

[@InfiniteQuest86]

@@JRawRose Ok neither of us know anyone that can eat 20 lbs of broccoli in a day. So my point not only stands but you proved it. Talk about strawman though. I've never even seen a durian. People are not pounding those like they are protein shakes the way you seem to imagine. I'm talking about a balanced whole food, plant based diet -- compared to a whole food omnivore diet. Very specific, and undisputable. You will eat less calories whole food planet based. They just so much less fat which is easy calories.

[@JRawRose]

@@InfiniteQuest86 Yes, I agree that it’s easier to eat more calories on an omnivore diet. I’m NOT taking issue with you on that. It’s when you said, “But not good if you need to maintain or gain weight” and that’s how I thought you were using the Broccoli Straw Man Argument. Btw, I am 70 years old, I have been a Vegan for 38 years, I have been ~98 Raw Vegan for 34 years and I have no problem maintaining my weight and even gaining muscle if I decide to switch from 5 minutes of weights 3 times a week to 10-15 minutes of body weight exercises 3 times a week. In fact, I actually increased my 41 inch chest to a 42 inch chest several years back by doing this and it was while I was on a 30 Day Juice Fast or Juice Feast or Solid Food Vacation as I like to call it. I also see that one of my comments has not shown up, so I guess someone didn’t like it when I added the URL, so I’ll post it again in the next comment below without the URL and you can simply add my name, John Rose, to your search using “” for the title and watch it if you’re interested.

[@bill2292]

Are Dr. Chris Gardner and Chris MacAskill (from plant chompers) the SAME person???? Check it out if you dare.

[@k.h.6991]

Nope, they're not.

[@Kayte...]

Nope, but I once made the unforgivable mistake of thinking MacAskill and the guy from Plant Source were one and the same. Big difference.