Physics of Sailing - Steering with CE and CLR

[@howarthsailing]

Hi Everyone, I made some changes to my channel this winter that resulted in YT deleting all of my comments/replies on these videos. It's really a shame, because I feel like I have answered quite a few theory questions in the comments section over the years. If you have a question, even if it looks like it's been asked before, please don't hesitate to post a comment, I'll do my best to get back to you. Cheers, JH

[@robinj6997]

Really good instruction, well instructed, I understand everything of your content. What confuses me is the info from the Naval Architects. Much of the boat building literature talk about a lead of how many percent forward is CE should be of CLR. If you have a 2% lead, it would mean that the boat has a slight lee-helm when upright, and when healing into the lee-side it will counteract into a weather-helm? I'm aware that CE and CLR are geometrical values. And that the true hydrodynamic CLR and aerodynamic CE will be somewhere different. But then what's the reason of the CE lead? Is it just an empirical method of achieving a as low of a weather helm as possible? Since a 0% lead will have more weather-helm and more counter steering.

[@moarefk]

Hi there, I love your videos ... truly rare information explaining the physics of sailing... but when watching this video, I was thinking it must be very different with a catamaran since you have two foils but one sail and CE and CLR is always apart ,.. could you make a video for this topic for catamarans ?

[@howarthsailing]

I'm not a cat sailor, so I don't think that I will tackle this as a video, but I would say that the effects of misalignment the CE and CLR will be the same. CE too far aft causes weather helm, heeling to windward causes weather helm, and vise versa. I don't think that cat sailors heel their boats to windward to bear away, but I don't think that they can.

[@robdarby1426]

Hi Julian, I'm trying to solve a weather helm issue in a Flying Fifteen, which is an early Classic fleet boat so doesn't have a particular set of dimensions, the Classic boats all seem to be dimensioned and rig a little differently. The mast foot has 3 positions, the forward and aft positions being about +/-40mm from the central position. I currently have the mast foot in the forward most position and I'm still experiencing weather helm. Previously I extended the shrouds to get the mast rake as far forward as possible. This did produce a neutral helm, however other aspects of the rig were stupid, the boat looked awful with the boom climbing to aft and the gib clew way above the deck. So I have now reverted to a more normal geometry. I believe I cannot sensibly get the CE further forward than the current set up. Neither is it an easy task to move the keel on a Flying Fifteen, well pretty much impossible! I am wondering whether the rudder itself may not balanced. I'm not sure this is a thing in sailboats (but I believe it is in power boats). The Flying Fifteen rudder is very raked backward with the pivot point close to the top leading corner. This suggests to me there is potential that the rudder itself could have a CLR to aft of the rudder pivot point. If so, this would effectively make the rudder bear down and produce a weather helm effect on the tiller, the tiller being on the opposite side of the rudder pivot point. Does this make any theoretical sense?

[@howarthsailing]

Kind of a complex issue but here are some thoughts. 1. When you move the mast step backwards, does this rake the rig forward? Usually the mast but adjustment is for inducing some pretend, or for changing g the rake, not for actually moving the whole.rige forward or backwards. 2. Sure it's difficult to move the keel, but this is some thing that high performance keel keelboat sailors do. They have a boat shop 'fair' the keel and at the same time, build up material at the front and shave off material at the back. Probably not your go-to solution, but a possibility. 3. How bad is the weather helm? It's typical to have some weather helm with the sails trimmed in hard, especially when it's windy, when the boat is heeling, etc. The trick then is to use sail controls to depower or ease the main to keep the boat "on its feet".

[@jillgouhin6453]

how did you do it can you share with me , thank you

[@ME-rv1pw]

Your arrows throw me off with some starting at the point and some terminating at the point of force

[@howarthsailing]

I'm sorry about that. I think of it like a force can either push or pull. Its not really important whether the arrow terminates at the centre or begins at the centre as long as it points in the right direction.

[@gamelabs1665]

Sound broken?

[@howarthsailing]

Not for me? What time in the video are you having an issue?

[@daio6968]

how did you do it can you share with me , thank you