Piaget’s Theory of Cognitive Development

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Want to support the channel? Now you can! 💸 Patreon: patreon.com/thelivingphilosophy ☕️ ko-fi.com/thelivingphilosophy ⌛ Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:36 Sensorimotor 4:24 Preoperational 6:29 Concrete Operational 8:55 Formal Operational 10:50 Conclusion

[@andrewwebster5913]

Piaget has been one of the greatest minds in development and social psychology! Thank you for exploring this intricate thinker for us!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Absolutely fascinating right!? Thanks for watching and as ever thanks for the support Andrew

[@stephencarroll230]

A professor I studied philosophy with, Gareth Matthews, critiqued and wrote about Piaget. He held that Piaget’s stages do not apply to logical/philosophical thought. He held that, before total socialization, children are able to think philosophically. As a result, he published dialogues with children and advocated Philosophy for Children to be part of school curriculum. This has occurred in some schools. My independent study with him involved engaging in philosophical dialogues with a kindergarten class (ages 5) using children’s literature as source of topics- in this case Many Moons. As a scholar in the analytic tradition the only text I had to read was Wittgenstein’s Blue and Brown Books. In the UK the Philosophy Foundation has programs of philosophy for children.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Wow that sounds absolutely fascinating. That's something I'd love to see becoming mainstream. So was Matthews take then that the logical dimension was not something that developed in stages as Piaget claimed? Are these dialogues in popularly available form?

[@stephencarroll230]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy His books are available in used condition and there are articles by him and about him online. I believe he didn’t reject Piaget outright, rather he felt that their reasoning abilities were solid at an earlier stage. (It was thirty five years ago that I studied with him, so I am hardly an expert on the subject.) I do know that Mt. Holyoke college still actively has a program that send student to inner city schools to implement a philosophy for children program. Even if kids don’t become philosophers, the program treats them and their ideas with dignity and respect. Matthews held a similar belief about children’s art.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

@@stephencarroll230 Interesting stuff Stephen I might see if I can find some of his stuff. It's an interesting experiment to be running to see how a Socratic process would proceed with kids. I can see how it would disagree with a specific part of Piaget rather than the whole soup

[@jim6929]

You might be talking about Lipmann’s philosophy for children program (may need to check the spelling of lipmann

[@xzyeee]

I SO LOVE THIS AS AN IDEA! IT is MAGNIFICENT!

[@ClaireRoss-x5k]

Really helpful I'm studying CBT (already a Person Centred therapist) and like this clear presentation of Piaget's stages of development, fascinating many thanks !

[@Mon000]

Been binge-watching your channel, really liked this video. Feel like I have a lot to learn from you as a content creator, you are very consistent and I can notably see an improvement in every new video you make, something I struggle with. Great cadence too!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha no way that's awesome well I'm already sold on you so if you ever want any pointers or just to shoot the breeze just send me an email and I'll help in any way that I can there's already ways that I would aspire to be more like you so there's definitely a sensibility that you have that I think is a raw gem and if there's anything I can do to help refine that I'd be happy to

[@satnamo]

People come into our life to teach us a lesson; And then they leave at das right time And I am happy to let them go because das highest wisdom lies in detachment. Empty this boat so that I will go faster since it is lighter. Angels fly because they take themselves lightly. Man flys because he has a strong and powerful body.

[@PatrickHerberts]

Great episode. Looking forward to the next one too!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Patrick!

[@hypergraphic]

This was a great explanation, thank you.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Ronald!

[@jeremycull8876]

I can imagine a lot of research having taken place in response to these classifications. For instance, I have a hard time believing it's a zero-sum change from one stage to the next. Which was somewhat acknowledged when there was mention of the Animus and all of that. But I can imagine lingering effects of stages have an important role to play in different circumstances, and it may be the case say "stage 1" is the more appropriate attitude to a certain situation. And maybe it's that "mixture" of stages that more measurably lays out a map of a person's personality. Or psychosis. Who knows. Anyway, insightful. Thanks

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Yeah I think I can see where you are coming from. I think with each stage you are building something that is fundamental to later stages much like in Maslow's system - the later stages can't stand without it but they transcend and include each wave of growth so that nothing is lost and your toolkit just gets broader and you can use old tools in newer ways

[@owretchedman]

Cool as fuck vid. I'm trying to understand this school's perspective, the cognitive crowd, and now I see that I understand them, admire them. Keep up the good work, buddy.

[@danielmuresan6779]

More Ken Wilber, yay!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha thanks Daniel! I do have the transcripts I was planning to put them all up on Patreon at some point but if there's any one/s you want send me an email from the channel page and I'll happily send them on (the earlier ones didn't have scripts so they're not as neat but certainly all of the ones in the last 6 months or so are pretty neat)

[@jim6929]

Jane Loevinger was an important figure that extended / critiqued kohlberg and piaget’s “hard structural” cognitive theories

[@rolandalcid7127]

l've read the book about Piaget and Chomsky debate on whether languages are learned or built innate blueprint. Thank my professor offer me the book years ago.

[@Nvaeplay]

I can already tell you worked on the lower frequencies on the audio. nice!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Haha I did some tinkering I'm glad you noticed the difference I wasn't sure it was that big but this is great to hear! You think it still needs more work or is it good?

[@satnamo]

Real talent develops in quiet places; Real character in das full current of life. Life is a tragic comedy And we are supposed to dance anyway.

[@jobbimaster]

Interesting to try and put oneself in the shoes of ones own less developed stages of consciousness. "Was this how I perceived the world at x age?" We could also ask; "What does the subjective experience of a fool feel like?" To answer that one, simply look within! All in jest of course, behavior befitting of fools! - It seems to me that you have an incredibly professional approach to this whole youtube thing, and you have ever since you first began. I imagine your understanding of the platform has grown considerably. Since I have been rooting for your success, I have a suggestion for you: Matrix 4 is coming up. Have you given any thought to making a video about the books that inspired the matrix? I think it is possible you went into some similar territory in your video on the "semiotics of enlightenment". That one was pretty damn good! (Although in my opinion western philosophy is mere potatoes compared to the full, nutricious richness of the oriental buffet! But then again, you are Irish!) I am no expert on youtube, and I do not know where you wan't to take this channel, so I would add that this merely a suggestion, not a recommendation. Personally, I would be very interested in seeing such a video. In any case, keep up the professionalism, both in attitude, and quality content. Thank you.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Hahaha there were so many parts of this message that tickled me jobbimaster and I also really appreciate the supportive comments and the suggestions. And I did watch the trailer and I have been thinking about Simulation and Simulacra so....you might just be onto something here. It's something I've been meaning to explore so why not do it at a culturally timely moment. Thanks a million Ifor the suggestion it would have rattled around in the latent corners of my mind long past the date of relevance. Your comment has shunted it to a priority

[@joshvanschaick4896]

Very good lesson, appreciate it.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Thanks Josh!

[@sarahperrine5723]

Hello! Stumbled upon your video when researching Piaget- i was wondering if you could provide a reference to when you talk about kids being shown videos of themselves and thinking they've been edited because theres no way anyone wouldn't have the knowledge to complete the task at hand...I thought this point was really interesting. Thanks!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Hi Sarah. So I was just trying to hunt down the reference. I got it from Ken Wilber's Sex, Ecology, Spirituality book and I've quote the section down below but unfortunately he doesn't give any references as to where he got this information so I feel a bit bad for having included it now. It's such a fascinating thought I must have overlooked the solidity of the evidence. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful but for what it's worth here's the full passage from Wilber: "If you take a preop child, and in front of the child pour the water from a short fat glass into a tall thin glass, the child will tell you that the tall glass has more water. If you say, no, there is the same amount of water in both glasses, because you just saw me pour the same water from one glass to the other, the child will have no idea what you’re talking about. “No, the tall glass has more water.” No matter how many times you pour the water back and forth between the two glasses, the child will deny they have the same amount of water. (Interestingly, if you videotape the child at this stage, and then wait a few years until the child has developed conop-at which point it will seem utterly obvious to him that the glasses have the same amount of water-and then show the child the earlier videotape, he will deny that it’s him. He thinks you’ve doctored the videotape; he cannot imagine anybody being that stupid.)"

[@sarahperrine5723]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy Thank you for the quick reply! I was able to pull up the book so I'll look around a bit and if I can find anything I'll drop it here. Thanks again!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

@@sarahperrine5723 Happy to help! You caught me at a good time! Hope that helps. The part that the quote is from is in the section "objections to the transpersonal" in section 7. Hopefully you'll have more luck than I! Let me know if you do manage to track down the reference I wouldn't mind reading the original myself

[@kalumbakingstone5445]

THIS IS SO NICE

[@RedRosa]

Would love to see a comparison to Vygotsky. Thanks for your channel!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

That would be a very interesting rabbit hole to go down Rosa. I can see myself circling back around to Vygotsky at some point so a crossover episode between the two psychologists would be a great topic to explore!

[@RedRosa]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy Sounds like a great episode! Fingers crossed!

[@Havre_Chithra]

Do Vygotsky/Levinas

[@stephencarroll230]

Wilbur’s thesis sound interesting!

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

Watch this space!

[@AA-dv3ie]

Ok, if humans or societies are to take this knowledge as basic ground, then why schools do not work at every stage properly?. Well at least in my school, religion was very important, so besides teaching history, math, biology, as subjects to master in order to pass exams, they reinforced, basically the magical world of angels and demons, of saints and miracles, of the relevance of human over nature, etc., then extending the infant mentallity until each one was free to choose their path. I dropped religion, and I am very happy of it, but it left a void that made me search for the same type of views, always moving around and even experiencing paranormal events. About 6 years ago, while sleeping in a tent outside of a "Mapuche" old house, after having a very interesting conversation with the indigenous at his "ruca", I went to sleep, but before falling asleep, or maybe in between, a strange voice, of no known language to me (I recognize Mapuzungun), directed at me, moving around the tent, made half of my body lift independently of my will,so from my waist to my neck an irresisitible force acted upon me, I pressume, by tension in my body. My reaction was dialogue, so I reasoned and accepted something was going on beyond my body forces, and while reasoning I said: "....do you have all the time to keep doing this?, I am not afraid....". And then it stopped. This event did not freak me out tottaly, I kept calm, and I learned something about me: I can use reasoning to escape from my magical mind, preformed by a deluded pre rational christian society. Pre rational mindeset still rules our world bringing upon us suffering because we accept rulers of all kinds that manipulate our will and behaviours.

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

That's wild stuff AA. I wonder what was going on with that experience. I have had some strange experiences on the hinterlands between waking and sleep myself but nothing to this degree. Was it something that woke you to full consciousness afterwards? Like could you see your body moving? A very bizarre experience without a doubt. I think if most of us experienced something like that we'd be redrafting our maps of reality!

[@AA-dv3ie]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy I always describe it to others as being half asleep and half awaken, but the fact is that I remember it being fully awake. Anyway, it was a very strong experience that gave me a strong hold to language and also to rationality and wittiness to escape from strong forces. I always imagine that if true, and not a dream, that man was trying to give me a lesson about his powers, and I gave him a lesson on wittiness. I rather take this story as a lucid dream about the power of wittiness and speach.

[@AA-dv3ie]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy I have to add that I have a dislike for aggression, so I do not flow that way, therefore my speech and my mind always aids me whenever I am in trouble. I am also very connected to the seek of knowledge (that brought me to your channel) and peace, so I reject the idea that evil is beyond ourselves, then I have power over evil because I control myself, in this way I become Lucifer himself, a seeker of light (collector), to describe it in mythological terms, that are the terms of belief of the man I had the opportunity to meet there in his ground, so this way I taught myself if a dream (or him if true).

[@TheLivingPhilosophy]

@@AA-dv3ie This is a fascinating take on the situation. I think whatever the ontological status of the experience the lesson is just as powerful. You've clearly digested the experience and learned a lot about yourself through the process so in this sense it is a spiritual experience

[@AA-dv3ie]

@@TheLivingPhilosophy Later i almost drowned in a river in an attempt to escape from forest I got lost in. It was getting dark and cold so I took the chance. A little branch saved my ass. After surviving the river I ended up in a town were people would look at me as If I was a mad man, I was completely wet, my back pack wet, and exhausted. Maybe I had a look, after all that happened, so yeah, I may have looked mad at some degree. I also learned how scared people can be.