Piano Concerto - Elliott Carter

[@ALRatmosphericmusic]

Great piece !!! remarkably interpreted ... Many thanks for sharing !

[@jurispurins8065]

If it were not for you I would have never heard this most interesting piece of music

[@jamesbarlow6423]

Thank you.

[@benjamin9901]

Appreciate you sharing! Elliott Carter's music simultaneously inspires me and utterly baffles me. Listening to him is such an overwhelming experience

[@TheGloryofMusic]

Pierre Boulez said that he trouble understanding Carter's music. Listen to Boulez's Pli Selon Pli. It's a different world and entirely comprehensible.

[@benjamin9901]

@@TheGloryofMusic I agree with that. I'm a big fan of Boulez's music: a very different and almost intoxicating soundscape

[@ChristopherFulkersonPhD]

One of the pieces I chose for my Ph.D. orals at U.C. Berkeley. I studied it so closely, and the shithead professors didn't ask me a single question about it. This masterpiece hd been on my radar since High School, when I would look up the score at CSU Sacramento at night. Eventually I met and knew him slightly and his wife Helen, they never turned me down to visit when I was in New York. Carter is the most important composer of the second half of the twentieth century.

[@stueystuey1962]

Possibly ever!

[@dannybarrs]

Thank you for this wonderful piece of music!

[@rdk1952]

Yes! And I prefer Rosen's performance to the other two I have heard.

[@jmchord]

Sounds different, I like it

[@davidrehak3539]

Elliott Carter:Zongoraverseny 1. Fantastico 00:00 2. Tempo primo: Allegro vivace 10:28 Charles Rosen-zongora Basel Sinfonietta Vezényel:Joel Smirnoff

[@davidrehak3539]

Köszönöm az értékelést

[@machida5114]

sodelicious...........🙂

[@machida5114]

great music...

[@Snardbafulator]

This is my first encounter with Carter and I'm a Sessions man. There are a lotta Carter fanbois on the contemporary music threads and I certainly haven't made my mind up yet, but I think, just in terms of immediate impact, I like Sessions' Concerto For Piano and Orchestra better. I like the tortured atonal interactions with classicism.

[@stueystuey1962]

Not even close. Sessions is a great American composer. Carter is a goat without qualification. Takes more listens to be sure but worth it.

[@Snardbafulator]

@@stueystuey1962 Elliott Carter fanbois are like Taylor Swift fans or the Beyhive, I swear. They're _everywhere_ on contemporary music threads, prepared to lay down their rhetorical lives to defend the honor of their deathless hero. I'm a Zappa freak; I respect the dedication ;) I've heard nowhere near enough Carter to have an informed opinion, but all the stuff I've read about his compositional techniques makes me doubt he's gonna wind up in my personal pantheon with Stravinsky and Sessions, two increasingly atonal classicists who found their own ways. There is _nothing_ like a Sessions Agitato. So gnarly. At least to my ear. We'll see how my opinion develops as I hear more Carter, which I plan to do.

[@Snardbafulator]

I might even like Milton Babbitt a little more than this (I know -- sacrilege). Babbitt transports me into a totally idiom-free zone and this one hasn't lost all its references.

[@stueystuey1962]

I'm with you in terms of idiom. Still rank Carter higher but i listen to Babbitt quite a bit. Maderna and Webern too. The latter is all idiom iykwim.

[@Snardbafulator]

@@stueystuey1962 That's what I like in post-Webern serialism -- that totally pointillistic realm where all time and space have dissolved. It's not a major crave; serialism is by no means my favorite form of music. I'm too much of a rhythm freak for that and serialism really wrecked rhythm as a driving force in music, turning it into just another parameter to be manipulated. I'd rather listen to Conlon Nancarrow than to integral serialism. But the serialism I do appreciate transports you to an entirely other world, cf. Boulez: Le Marteau sans maître.

[@Twentythousandlps]

@@Snardbafulator Carter never was a serialist.

[@darrylschultz9395]

I'm sorry, call me old-fashioned, but I don't understand why a piece that clearly includes some moments when the composer's cat was walking up and down the piano keys, should be considered a masterpiece.

[@stueystuey1962]

You're not old fashioned. Just ignorant. Following Schoenberg this is without a doubt a masterpiece of the genre in a direct line from Beethoven through Brahms, Bartok...

[@darrylschultz9395]

@stueystuey1962 You did the B's, I'll continue with the C's:-Cat, Chandelier(that sounded like it fell on the piano at one point), Crowbar...😏

[@darrylschultz9395]

​​​@stueystuey1962 P.S. All silliness aside, I only need my ears to know whether I find-or am likely to find with a few listens-a piece to be beautiful or appealing. Just had another listen, and I detected some bits that were intriguing enough for me to persist. I'm also persuaded by remembering when I was beginning to explore classical music, I was unable to make head nor tail of Elgar's Symphonies No. 1 & 2, but after a few listens I was being moved to tears by parts of them-so you never know. P.S. This is my idea of a great piece:-kzbin.info/www/bejne/opuaaKuvapKafbMsi=xWfvVKqLkN6v9H3V

[@darrylschultz9395]

I've decided I should practice humility and show compassion to lovers of the difficult to love. So here now, I humbly present the greatest piece known to(this)man!:-kzbin.info/www/bejne/opuaaKuvapKafbMsi=xWfvVKqLkN6v9H3V

[@darrylschultz9395]

@TheGloryofMusic So, this piece is not like a cat on the keyboard? Is that right? How about that, learn something new every day! Seriously-maybe you've heard of it-there's this thing that goes by the name "humor". That's all my comment was intended to be. P.S. I will concede that maybe it wasn't everyone's idea of GOOD humor, but humor was the sole aim nonetheless.

[@MrInterestingthings]

I've gone from only advocating to contemporary music to asking why don't composers speak before performances. If u listen music tells you but truthfully most of us don't come with right approach.Understanding doesn't make Picasso or Guston or Beuys look like Watteau. It's supposed to sound different this ain't the 18th century. My problem u should be able to listen wout a score,nor should u have to be a specialist. Carter is maybe just what it seems to be. A lot happening-but is it random? Are there highly organized principles. Yes. Can u hear them...Moments of repose then density. Yes. But it takes more to enjoy musicthan surface analysis. I love Boulez2nd Sonata. A lotta listens will do that. Still no very little about what is happening.

[@stueystuey1962]

Too much hand holding desired. Listen, listen again and then listen some more and that is a start. Absolute masterpiece. One of my favorite pieces of music ever. As is Boulez 2nd Piano Sonata. I have no clue what organizes this piece by Carter but it is so enjoyable to listen to does it matter. Inspiration in the form of automatic writing is not out of the question. Who cares?

[@jamesbarlow6423]

Pure decadence

[@SergioCánovasCM]

"The word 'beauty' is as easy to use as the word 'degenerate.' Both come in handy when one does or does not agree with you". Quote by Charles Ives

[@stueystuey1962]

This music registers as absolutely gorgeous with me. The opening suffuses classical sturm und drang with the best of Beethoven, the mystical Alpine qualities of Schubert and Mahler, and the lyrical beauty of Alban Berg. The cohesion of the various contrapuntal lines nothing short of astonishing. Easily one of the best Piano Concertos of the 20th century. As radical as Bartok. As lush and dramatic as Busoni or Chavez. As intricate and dense as Babbitt. As commercial as Wuorinen. As sublime as Prokofiev. As witty as Shostakovich. And now with this offering a third rendition clearly a formidable entry to the modern repertoire if not quite yet a staple. The greatest composer of the second half of the 20th century. I wanted to include Babbitt and Maderna in the conversation but neither of those first rank geniuses offers the full complement of masterpieces across as many genres as does EC.

[@stueystuey1962]

I think this is meant in a good way - kinda like we would call a dessert decadent that featured say a haute couture chocolate cream cake but then covered in Hershey's syrup and M and M's on the side and to wash it down we drink a 60 year old Italian dessert wine that smelled like almond vanilla extract but tasted like chocolate.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

@@stueystuey1962 . American, ryt?🤣 Now I mean it in the sense expressed by Alan Bloom, C.E.M. Joad, Chris Hedges, Morris Berman, and Nietzsche.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

@@stueystuey1962 . That's why it is decadent: "overlapping genrés" (Nietzsche), conflation of styles, confused intentions...