Piano Tuning With Pianoscope

[@Jack-hy1zq]

Why didn't you show us the end result?

[@neilanthonyhaywardlewis8978]

@@Jack-hy1zq correct 💯

[@JesperChanYouAn]

How amazing!

[@JuniorIlek]

Thank you sir this video was very helpful.

[@dwlassen]

Hi Rick, Thanks for a great and informative video. I am fairly new to this and am currently just trying to learn the basics. So far I have a basic understanding of aurally tuning strings to unison, and a very basic understanding of inharmonicity and stretch. However I have a question regarding your demo: During the pitch lower section of the video, you are using mutes in order to e.g. isolate the middle string of a treble note and tune it to the slightly too low pitch (underpull) - the reason being that you want to overdo things a bit as the piano naturally will want to back-track a bit. This is followed by a "rough" unison tuning of the other 2 strings of the treble. Then later when fine tuning you are using some sort of clamp which is clipped on to the hammer. I am a bit confused by this: what is the purpose of this "clamp"? Wouldn't it be just as good to perform the final (fine tuning) using mutes similar to what you did during the first pass? Thanks Dennis

[@jonathanstephensmusic]

I was wondering the same thing.

[@JahangirJahangiri-tb1kv]

سلام به نظر میاد این پیانو کوک لا ۴۴۱ هست و چرا همه نتها بالاتر هستن از جای خودشون؟؟؟

[@pinkprincesswhee]

curses! I want to use this but I have no idea what 'wound string' and plate strut is! :(

[@pianoscope6345]

I can help you out here: Wound strings are the thick bass strings that consist of a thin center wire which is wound by a copper or brass wire. The plate is the cast iron frame which holds the stings, and the struts are the ribs that span the plate which give it more rigidity.

[@LucasKirbyMusic]

Respectfully, all I see is a Tune-Lab copy cat, but I don't see all of the other many features that come with that program. Tunelab is a one time fee, no subscription program, and it comes with a Forever License that I use to install on upgraded devices. It also comes with free updates. Does it do mock tuning exams, drop box file sharing, etc.? My hat's off to anyone that tries to revolutionize ETD's, but I'm missing what's special about this for sick a hefty price.

[@pianoscope6345]

Thank you for your comment. I am not aware of anything that pianoscope may have copied directly from TuneLab. Just off the top of my head, here are some areas in which it shines when compared: - You can measure the inharmonicity of the full instruments in about 2 minutes. In TuneLab it would take far longer so for practical purposes you only sample a handful of notes. Especially in the bass, the IH scaling of many pianos is unpredictable so only sampling a few notes will miss all special features of an instrument and lead to inferior tuning curves. Additionally, TuneLab's IH interpolation approach for unsampled notes does not make much sense. - The tuning curve calculation is far superior to TuneLab. You don't have to experiment with different tuning intervals for differently sized instruments. You only choose a style like "Twelfths Pure" and pianoscope will automatically find the optimal curve for your instrument leading to better sounding tunings. - You can use pianoscope's inharmonicty view to analyze the scaling of an instrument and to identify problems. - The automatic note detection in pianscope is rock solid, fast and reliable. In practice you don't need to touch your device at all during tuning. TuneLab on the other hand is often making octave errors in the note detection. This can lead the tuner to the wrong tuning offset and if undetected result in a broken tuning. - When working for hours, I would always prefer pianoscope's calm pitch indicator over TuneLab's unsteady spectrum display. - You can use pianoscope's partial view for training aural tuning and for voicing. - pianoscope uses regular document files and so it is very easy for mere mortals to sync tuning files using DropBox, iCloud Drive, Box.com or any cloud service you like. - pianoscope's user interface design is uncluttered, easy to learn, very discoverable and scales well between devices of any size. - The upcoming version 2.5 of pianoscope even comes with many unique features like freeze tuning for further speeding up tuning work, aurally guided headless tuning using headphones, beat location and simulation etc. Check it out, if you want to learn about innovative tuning features: forum.pianoscope.app/d/54-beta-test-of-pianoscope-v25/

[@michaelsmith697]

I’m using the paid version of Piano Meter. What’s the difference between these ?

[@pianoscope6345]

Thank your for your interest in pianoscope. These are the main differences that come to my mind: - You can measure the inharmonicity of the full instruments in just about 2 minutes, much faster than in PianoMeter. - The automatic note detection in pianscope is rock solid, fast and reliable. In practice you don't need to touch your device at all during tuning. PianoMeter is often making octave errors in the note detection. This can lead the tuner to the wrong tuning offset and if undetected result in a broken tuning. - When working for hours, I would always prefer pianoscope's calm pitch indicator over PianoMeter's nervous multi-partial strobes. - You can use pianoscope's partial view for training aural tuning and for voicing. - pianoscope uses regular document files and so it is very easy for mere mortals to sync tuning files using DropBox, iCloud Drive, Box.com or any cloud service you like. - pianoscope's user interface design is uncluttered, easy to learn, very discoverable and scales well between devices of any size. - Since version 2.5 of pianoscope there are even more unique features like freeze tuning for further speeding up tuning work, aurally guided headless tuning using headphones, beat location and simulation etc.

[@emojijoyio]

Only 2 cents flat?

[@violetmanas5606]

I have an old Winkelmann piano which is damaged by . What can I do to make it useful,or how can you help me?

[@pianoscope6345]

I am not a piano technician, so I cannot help you directly. But you could ask the pros in the piano world forum under forum.pianoworld.com.

[@DavidBoycePiano]

What was it damaged by? Is it an upright or a grand piano? I think it may be quite old, and your financially viable options may be limited....

[@violetmanas5606]

@@DavidBoycePiano It's an upright piano damaged by water.

[@DavidBoycePiano]

@@violetmanas5606 Your regular tuner/technician will be able to advise you.

[@M_m.aang.uxz.1902]

🎉

[@3tataj]

Спасибо за видео. Tunelab в красивой обертке. Программа сырая. Думаю не взлетит.

[@pianoscope6345]

Thank you for your interest in pianoscope. What especially do you experience as "crude"? There are many substantial differences to TuneLab: - You can rapidly measure inharmonicities across the full scale to achieve precise tunings even with badly scaled instruments. - The tuning algorithm globally optimizes the tuning curve instead of relying on a traditional temperament octave / three part tuning. - You don't have to decide on a single partial combination each for bass, temperament octave und treble. Pianoscope is respecting ALL of the interval combinations of the first ten partials. It automatically weights them based on your style preference and a measurement of the relative partial strengths of an individual instrument. - The tuning indicator does not only react to the frequency of a single partial but automatically derives the pitch from multiple partials weighted by their importance in an individual instrument. Therefore you don't have to switch partials during tuning or configure an extensive table of partials. - The tuning interface is highly optimized for hours of distraction-free tuning, and its look and responsiveness are very customizable. - The automatic note detection is far superior to TuneLab. Most of the time you don't need to touch the device at all during tuning.

[@mikegarich3432]

А мне больше нравится. 10 лет работал с Tunelab. теперь полностью в Pianoscope Он более точен

[@3tataj]

Я тоже раскушал)

[@sandraandgreg03]

The tuning will never hold tuning like that

[@CrowClouds]

How come?

[@matthiaswilhelm9813]

Can you tune in non Equal Tuning😂in Others Like Kirnberger,Vallotti,Werkmeister 3 Sir?

[@pianoscope6345]

Yes, pianoscope has over 70 built-in non equal temperaments, and in the pro version you can even create your own. www.pianoscope.app/manual/en/pianoscope.html#_temperament

[@pianosluizchavesafinacaoec6975]

Não e, assim que se afina....vem para o Brasil..que te ensino

[@CosimoGiangra0711]

Playing all the strings????? MAH

[@pianoscope6345]

You don't have to measure the inharmonicity of all notes. You can get along with sampling only one or two per octave, the choice is up to you. Measuring all takes only about two minutes and gives you the benefit that the calculated tuning curve will account for all scaling issues. The time you spend on measuring will be saved several times over during the tuning because you will have to make fewer manual adjustments.

[@HakanBektas24]

441 hz ??????!!!!!!!!

[@musikhausortel8035]

Why not?

[@Joe-ee6no]

Tuning is always between 440 and 442 Hz

[@f1f1s]

I tuned a piano to 440 Hz once in the summer, and in 6 months, due to the humidity changes, it jumped to 445 Hz.

[@maxaudibert5793]

Hello sir, Did you tune the first notes only with one mute? Which means you tune two strings at the same time? Thank you

[@neilanthonyhaywardlewis8978]

This is the worst way to tune a piano, I use a professional piano tuner to tune my piano, not some computer app!

[@ronald3921]

It’s not about the app. Most professional tuners use an app

[@neilanthonyhaywardlewis8978]

@@ronald3921 mine doesn't in the UK....he uses his own ears and tuning forks, a real UK professional!

[@marvinvoigt3914]

Tuning by ear doesnt yield better results than using an app.

[@neilanthonyhaywardlewis8978]

@marvinvoigt3914 I think you will find it does, how do you think piano tuners tuned pianos before these apps were created?.. Well before the Internet was created! Piano tuning is a real skill and requires a very good ear!!