Piapro Studio NT Beta Vocals in Project Sekai Compilation

this is just something i was pretty curious about myself and a lot of other people probably are too!! maybe someday when all their vbs get finished and released we can look back on this and see how much they changed!!
also obviously i dont own anything here i just put it all together all the song credits are in the video etc etc

[@fandomencounter1672]

Rin: better pronunciation, pretty good voice. Len: better pronunciation which is usually a problem so that good, less power and clarity which was kinda his thing. Luka: muffled. Doesn't sound like her. Meiko: Less power, better pronunciation, muffled a bit. Doesn't really sound like herself. They tried hard on the pronunciation and it turned out great, but the quality of the voices have gone down. I also dislike the tuning in the game, I feel like it could be much better.

[@abdulaisiyoup3912]

Meiko NT sounds incredibly depressing, especially as someone who really loves Meiko's voicebanks

[@okaiten]

Literally just sounds like v1

[@abdulaisiyoup3912]

@@okaiten no it doesnt lmao (the nostalogic clip used in the video wasnt NT, that was an error from the video uploader)

[@pathetic2399]

Same. I enjoy Meiko as a voicebank but Project Sekai hasn’t been doing her any favors. She already had a niche sound in the first place but now they’re making her not only not sound like herself but making her sound worse.

[@eennzzoo]

YES, i see great potential in her voice, i hope it doesn't stay the way it is in the final version.

[@Nyamihatecoffee]

@@okaitenTRUST ME,her V1 is much better 😭

[@vivian9486]

LUKA NOO 😭😭 SHE ALWYS GETS DONE SO DIRTY ESPECIALLY THAT ECHO COVER WTF

[@tavellcoops]

rin is solid, meiko sounds like a soft append, len is weaker, and kaitos tone is better, but they all have this compressed sound thats like the high notes are strangled, but theyare better than miku. butyoure gonna stop effin my girl luka up crypton, pls. fix her

[@gabrielmonge418]

It's interesting you say that! Cause NT renders high notes using a different synthesis technique that Vocaloid does. It's "high fidelity" according to Crypton, but it produces a compressed unnatural sound.

[@chlover3608]

The way they mess up Luka makes me so sad

[@yukaristannn]

Ik like first v4 now this😭?

[@dakusleep]

Rin NT to me sounds really great, I love her voice especially in Showtime Ruler, she adds a lovely contrast between Rui and Tsukasa 🧡

[@LucyLerma]

Hopefully Len and Meiko will get their power back someday

[@AegbGo]

I think Len sounds good, and Meiko too on IDSMILE, but again, she doesnt have that many covers sadly

[@fjsjgdjgdgdjgdjhgdj]

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[@SourSalty]

As someone who used used Piapro NT. I feel like Rin's user was the only one who took time to actually tune tune her in more cases. In alot of cases she's just untunned. But that fits with the theme of the demo voicebanks not being tune. And Miku NT never being tuned in project Sekai. They feel thrown out like that.

[@hoshiworks_aster]

Okay, here're my opinions on these: Rin: Improved, definitely. Len: Wavered, but improved. Luka: Kinda goin' down. MEIKO: Stagnant, but this is CFM we're talking about so moving on, KAITO: Improved, even if slightly.

[@dumbpablo5755]

Kaito peaked in peaky peaky

[@idontknowwhattoput5851]

I'd say Kaito peaked in Roki and Worldwide Wander, but those songs didn't exist when this video was made also I know its less funny to say than peaked at peaky peaky so I'm sorry

[@hoshiworks_aster]

@@dumbpablo5755 LOLOL

[@raphpjsk.]

@@dumbpablo5755sa mou ikkai try it try it furikitte peaky peaky

[@HarmonicVector]

"Kneel to your new gods, bitch." - Kagamine twins commanding Miku

[@systematicerror404]

My thoughts Rin: sounds good! But has lost a little of the "Rin" sound Len: sometimes sounds like Len, sometimes doesn't Luka: where is my Luka justice??? I can kinda hear her "Luka" sound in the lower notes Meiko: idk who is singing but it's not Meiko Kaito: actually sounds like Kaito

[@extraterrestrial_lurka]

Man Meiko sounds like she’s having a bit of an identity crisis?? She kinda sounds like Yowane Haku especially at 18:22 But it’s kinda cute

[@sussybakadeeznuts]

i mean like,, haku is a fanloid

[@gypsy7016]

Can we talk about Luka being really muffled and trying to sound like Miku?

[@dreamydreams2694]

@@gypsy7016 well luka is a really soft voice, if she sings higher she is gonna sound different

[@josieuwu9636]

they did meiko and luka SO dirty. it feels like they took the very soul out of both of them, luka more so than meiko. she just sounds muffled and weak. as for meiko, any richness that her voice had gets lost in the nt version. i'm hoping cfm actually takes fans' criticism into consideration but i don't have much hope. the only one i can say that consistently improved is rin.

[@belindaluna2067]

I hate how Luka VFX sounded like a too open mouthed Mickey Mouse version of Luka and really hope to hear her voice head in the opposite direction at some point. Give me a richer, lower Luka damn it.

[@glitteree]

i agree that her v2 was superior, theyre watered down her voice in her v4 and made her sound shaky. however, lukas voice was never low though. i dont know why people say that. she has a high pitched voice, just because she can hit low notes doesnt mean her voice is deep. i just hope we get an NT for her that sounds like her original voice.

[@belindaluna2067]

@@glitteree Luka's voice isn't that low compared to human singers (including her seiyuu) but it can go lower than producers will usually take advantage of. ありきたりなブルース is a good example of what Luka can sound like in the lower end of her range.

[@JazyyWazyy]

I think I really do like their NTs however don't like how they compare with other competitors on the market. I think it's a really good addition to the catalog for these characters especially the ones other than miku

[@pathetic2399]

According to Wat, the creator, they’re all still works in progress. So we’ll see how they shape up in a few years since the improvements have been gradual. If all else fails, they can either go back to Yamaha for help or contract Cevio for AI voicebanks, in which all the Cryptons will sound human but lose what made them unique like IA every other Vocaloid to Cevio voicebank so far.

[@JazyyWazyy]

@@pathetic2399IA still sounds like IA. She didn't loose her twing

[@pandamonkey3557]

- I really love the sound of Rin. - Len kind of lost the 'oomph'/power in his voice but he shined in yobanashi deceive (guess he's more suited to chill songs for now). - Luka is /really/ lacking, can't hear her og voice at all - Meiko....eh, if I was blindly listening I would not be able to tell I was hearing meiko (besides nostalogic), she also doesn't sound as powerful -I like Kaito's , but like Miku NT, he sometimes sounds like he's singing with cotton in his mouth.

[@weepingwillowp]

NT is nowhere near the worst synth engine I've heard but the way Crypton downgraded their more mature vocalists is insane. This has kind of been happening since her V4x, but Luka's VBs have been getting so much more cutesy sounding. I miss her V2 tone, she used to be so husky and dark, even if it came at the cost of sounding powerful or having an intense drive to it. MEIKO sounds absolutely atrocious, there was no reason for them to destroy her like that. While MEIKO was not initially meant to be an incredibly powerful vocal, the way they make her so muffled and demure sucks HARD. I don't even have words to describe KAITO NT he's just. Wow he's just giving nothing. He just sounds like V3 Soft with a sock in his mouth.

[@strawberrydonut_pink]

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[@nimbusshooter]

Yeah they should give up and sell their companies to Synth V 🗿

[@weepingwillowp]

​@@nimbusshooter to be fair, Crypton seems to have jumped shipped from VOCALOID as they wanted to retain the character more than a "realistic sound", but NT doesn't really preserve any of the character 💀. With the way Crypton's going, I think CEVIO AI would be their best bet if this whole NT thing falls flat

[@randomname1924]

Omg great video! A couple of observations, if you don’t mind: 1.- I think Bring It On uses the original Len / Rin vocals, or at least the VOCALOID engine since they sound really alike. 2.- Same for Nostalogic, but in this case it’s 100% the og vocals. 3.- Drop pop candy uses Luka NT but ONLY near the end, during the part she doesn’t sing in the VOCALOID version. 4.- I think you missed Dreamin Chuchu? Understandable since Luka sounds NOT great there lol. Aside from that, thanks for putting everything together!

[@Gerokero]

Lmao love how rin is the one that sounds the best so far imo 💖 i was worried they were gonna do her wrong

[@job-u6927]

Damn... I was expecting to be let down so badly, pleasantly surprised this is not the case. And i'm happy to note that most of the covers just suffer from bad tuning (or rather, a lack of it). Pretty hopeful on the future of NT, they are improving bit by bit, but an improvement nonetheless

[@hachijuhachip]

Len NT sounds amazing- as soon as he’s released i’m going to buy him immediately

[@cloed0ll]

Luka and her vocal decline is SENDING ME

[@nintendont064]

Project Sekai was definitely a good opportunity to showcase the upcoming NT vocal synths, and based on the samples in the vid, I'm honestly very impressed by them. From my ears, all the characters seem to keep their voices recognizable with some interesting caveats I'll mention below, but their quality and sample fidelity seem a lot better compared to their Vocaloid voicebanks. Rin is my favorite NT vocal synth so far followed closely by Len, their quality is superb while retaining their vocal properties. Luka and especially Meiko blew me away because they seem to have much better fidelity to the point where they're more distinct in their sound compared to their Vocaloid voicebanks, but I honestly like it. Kaito seems to have changed the least and I think what I'm looking forward for is better fidelity with his low-end harmonics. One thing I will say across all characters (except Rin, I feel that she's not relevant with this with her already very high-pitched voice) is that I think they've gained a lot more brightness/sweetness in their harmonics but need more dark, strong, low-end harmonics. Len at 7:30 caught my attention, his voice could've been a bit more bassy and I feel that it's a bit hollow. Meiko's voice threw me off a bit because I'm so used to Meiko having a more deeper, darker contralto voice (a song that comes to my mind that demonstrates that vocal quality well is E.L.V.N's Break It, Break It), but I'm honestly really excited to hear Meiko able to sing very softly and sweetly and I think that will open up a lot of opportunities for her usage. I feel like some of my harmonic nitpickiness is based on an individual producer's mastering, but most of it is on the voicebank's sound synthesis. I would honestly need a lot more samples to get to know the voices better and I'm absolutely no expert at audio engineering, but based on my personal judgement, I think they could use some more work but they seem pretty good in terms of the software being in beta. What I want to know though is how much work in tuning the vocals was done to make them sound good, because I'm going to assume that the workflow was done with a lot of resources at hand considering these NT covers were being made for a major mobile game and the covers are using unreleased software. At the moment, I'm hearing that it's difficult to work with Miku NT either through difficulties working with the Piapro Studio NT interface or trying to reproduce sound qualities that were present in Vocaloid that people really wanted to push out of the NT versions, and so I feel that people are unable to use the full potential of her voicebank and it's very hard for me to fairly judge on her voice. I assume developing on a bespoke vocal synth engine must be a huge undertaking so I'm taking current results still with a grain of salt, but I do believe that Piapro NT will get better over time; I just think NT got a bad reputation due to releasing rather early, but the samples from Project Sekai make me feel more hopeful for NT.

[@thad8218]

If we were ever in a bs competition my ass is LOSING

[@smasu2929]

​@@thad8218😭😭😭😭😭

[@Lewnatic32]

Am I the only one noticing that Kaito NT has a slight lisp in some songs? Some songs pronounce the “sh” sound really well, but others have it sound more like “th”. Could be a tuning difference but that’s just something I’ve noticed with Kaito’s NT voice bank in Prosekai for some songs. You can really hear it a bit in Ifuudoudou

[@DameOfDiamonds]

Len's cover of yobansahi detective is awesome

[@Pluvillion]

The other's NT voicebanks do not sound as horrible as Miku's public NT release so I KNEW there was something going on back there. I mean, listen to Miku's NT in the live verison of Hated by Life Itself and tell me it's the same NT that we can freely use? As weird as it sounds, I feel like Crypton nailed with what they originally envisioned with NT. Since, if you remember, they didn't like how Miku (and the rest) sounded min V5, so they wanted to change that so their voices still sound like themselves rather than their seiyuus. Also, is it weird that their NT vbs make them sound even more genuine? They have the clarity of V4x, but they have the inflections of their V2 (including Appends) - it's the roboticness that gives them... _them._ ALSO, tuning plays a huge factor here too! It's obvious with Giga's tuning of the twins! I couldn't even decipher if he used NT or V4 because I seriously cannot tell them apart. I used to dislike Sega using NT for ProSeka, but given the songs that have them and how they sound, I'm actually more excited to see them publicly released!!! I see you, Crypton. I see you.

[@toramitoramu]

Yes i think they mixed the voices or the engine crypton has is better than the public version

[@juxtaposedlime2734]

@@toramitoramu I think they also used the Cherry Pie software for some parts.

[@toramitoramu]

@@juxtaposedlime2734 yes, it could be too

[@gabrielmonge418]

I think you're unto something, cause I definitely came to that same conclusion some time ago. I'm sure they do have a better NT version, or something along those lines cause many things they've done to show it off definitely don't mirror the public release.

[@toramitoramu]

@@gabrielmonge418 yeah, i think the same as you

[@Pluvillion]

But alas, remember that tuning plays a lot with how they sound!

[@idontknowwhattoput5851]

I feel like it definitely would've been good to put the dates in which these were released to show how they improved. Like for example, there's an obvious improvement from Doctor Funk Beat -> Yobanashi Deceive -> Becoming Potatoes, which makes sense considering that Funk Beat was made probably mid-2020, like long before Sekais release, Yobanashi was probably made like late 2020 roughly, closer to release since it wasn't base game and Becoming Potatoes in mid 2021

[@gremlinsbooty402]

NT Kagamine Rin & Len sounds really good! Can`t wait for their release :3

[@ZeiahYT]

It sounds to me like that they are experimenting with their voices while also I think it is obvious who and who is being worked on the most of course yet I am surprised to hear that Luka sounds the least developed out of all of them in fact she sounds pretty broken at times to me. With Len he is lacking that strong power to his voice like he used too though still sounds good in terms of his speech but comparing it to Rin it sounds like he is more of a work in progress on that spot while Rin sounds fully finished on that which I find odd. Meiko sounds very good yet on certain octaves it sounds sort of off at times but her tone sounds decent but I am thankful they did not give her the least attention in terms of her sound, compared to Luka. Kaito now has way better speech and tone I can see, his voice still sounds soft but somewhat sounding stronger now too so I think they are finding out on how to make Kaito go higher to extent without sounding weird now. Overall I think Rin, Meiko, and Kaito sound the best so far while the snips we are getting here of the voice's is amazing to see

[@theinfantmetroid]

I almost suspect they developed piapro studio with Miku's vocals in mind since Rin, tonally the most similar to Miku, actually sounds pretty good. But the deeper, more mature banks all sound GOD awful. Especially Luka, dear god. Who is that because its NOT my girl

[@ikeikeikea]

i see a lot of comments mention len sounding weaker, which i do see (as well as him sounding a little watered-down) BUT i still think his vb has improved regardless. it may not be very strong, but i think the clear note distinction makes up for it quite a bit. he sounds beautiful 💕

[@dimmerlights]

I think based on their voice in the dialogues alone, Miku NT sounds very polished engine-wise (though sometime jarringly differs from her previous voicebanks lol). Rin and Len seems next on the better side, while the others still kinda stiff.

[@dakusleep]

It really hurts me listen Len singing without his usual powerfull voice xD I prefer Bibi's tunning for him. (Like in luna's song: Main Character) I think Crypton doesn't know how to use Len to his full potential, but they're improving~ 😔

[@qwertyjon4669]

Well there will be a power vb for him right? Or is it just that?

[@FunnyParadox]

@@qwertyjon4669 For now it doesn't seem like there's one for him..

[@platypus3674]

Nobody asked but here's my opinions on the NT vbs Rin: Definitely improved Len: Sounds a bit softer to me but it's good even though I'd prefer his voice with more power Luka: Idk why but she sounds different to me MEIKO: The power in her voice is gone (r.i.p.) KAITO: Improved but didn't at the same time

[@ngantran3218]

Kaito is improving since his Peaky Peaky and Vemon alt cover

[@danihamasaki]

I love how they all sound! Especially the Kagamine, now with the Ai voices, they may sound outdated, but in my opinion, what makes them who they are is that point between the robotic and the real.

[@Evillious_xii]

Meiko’s hibana sounds like a mix of Miku and Luka

[@gabrielmonge418]

I don't know if I had incredibly low expectations or what, but these are definitely not as disappointing as I thought they were gonna be Of course, there IS room for improvement and I'm sure some better tuning and or mixing would do wonders. But most of these are not that bad and pretty decent. I do feel like the voices sound weirdly compressed (although the engine noise doesn't seem to be present) and like they lost their power (probably fixable with that Voice Voltage thingy). Some of them really had me thinking debating if it was Vocaloid, but the choppy consonants and weirdly compressed sound just give it away. I have no other choice but to think that NT has indeed improved but also that Crypton has a better build of NT than current Miku NT owners do. It's probably just not stable enough to be used by particular users. Also they probably have a release schedule and all that. Maybe they mixed Vocaloid banks and NT to get these results? I'm just very surprised that there's no engine noise but in the official Miku NT build you can hear A TON of engine noise that just completely tramples the vocals and makes them sound way worse than they should. She even sounds like she's a machine beeping. I'm extremely confused right now.

[@LooDoesStuff]

Some of these are obviously not NT though. It’s samples of the original isolated song’s vocals, like Nostalgic which is clearly Meiko V1. A vocaloid user’s ear can tell

[@kaorisuzu3919]

OMg Rin and Luka sounds so good 💖 I LOVE THIS!

[@renrokku]

Len sounds so good on buriki no dance and yobanashi deceive

[@KagamineBlu]

exactly I met someone on Twitter who has the same name as you

[@renrokku]

@@KagamineBlu Wow whats their username it might be me

[@Sinc3r3ly]

I think Meiko in nostalgic isn’t her NT

[@rossrivanna]

Do I trust the voicebanks? Not exactly- but I trust that the people who use them will still be able to make each Voca sound amazing and hopefully still like themselves more ^_^

[@hachimanharuki1316]

8:44 wait the minute...i was like heard Akito and Aoyagi also singing that part too but what i was suprise is like i heard like IA also singing 'Yobanashi Deceive' with Len 😮

[@CoraVocaloidUser]

NOOOO they made Len sound deeper. I liked the higher, loud and powerful tone with v4x and tbh, he now sounds like he's going to be way less versatile and he's not nearly as powerful. Rin sounds the best so far but still then, nothing that couldn't have been done 100x better in Vocaloid 5 :/ Yamaha should've done better istg, why are they making it so hard for companies to make V5s?? Imagine how good all the cryptonloids would've sounded with new V5 banks instead of NT.

[@gypsy7016]

Oh God... They tried to bring back Lukas cooler tone..AND FAILED.. but also sacrificed clarity, she sounds so muffled. Also whoever was doing the tuning Madera her slightly out of tune for alot of songs anyway.. that doesn't help. Her English also sounds significantly weaker? Unstable? Shakey? Sometimes that's good to make a song sound more real.. but it just doesn't work. The tuning on Color of drops.. ATROCIOUS. IM SORRY.. but honestly in her tone it's like they tried to make her sound more like Miku? It's weird... I'd sit here and comment of everyone, but I don't have time now. Might do it later Luckily they are still working on there voicebanks.. Adding more, did they just kind of forget the whole concept of their character series in the first place Luka was supposed to be a jazzy tone, then they just took away her deeper tone. Literally has a Brass instrument motif on her chest come on y'all.

[@darkessraven]

I think it’s the engine. Usually it’s harder to create vocals for deeper tones which is why there aren’t that many male banks. The more new the engine is, the more likely it doesn’t have the capability of recording low notes. Which is why I do not like Gacktpo because for a bank that is supposed to sound like Gackt, he is too high pitched.

[@gypsy7016]

@@darkessraven I could see that, I'm just glad they are still working on it.. because this Luka tone they have going right now it not it for me. There are meny songs I tried to imagine her new voice covering and in my head they all just sound so weird, but honestly that's how I feel about most v4x covers. There are a lot of people and songs that make V4x sound awesome.. Her Hard voice Bank is great because it's probably closest to her original voice banks, even her v4x English is Really close to the original tone we got. I believe they tried to make her higher since that's how everyone used her voice in her most popular songs, but it was her deeper undertone with the higher tuning that gave her a certain air about her.. with the adjustment to "oh they make her sing high? Let's make her higher" really downgraded her tone. Of course the quality did go up! Clearer, growls, pronunciation all good. But not if the voice doesn't give the same ooomph

[@Dennokopfan]

meiko and Luka always sound like they forgot to swallow, like its very from of the back of their throat (more so MEIKO)

[@ngantran3218]

Kaito NT has been improving since his Peaky Peaky and Vemon cover

[@lastbutnotleon]

I know most of the feedback on the NT voicebanks and even their general existence is bad, but I’m actually personally quite excited and intrigued to see how the end products turn out!

[@hineraable]

Jesus Christ will they EVER come out???

[@malimaui2802]

Probably hard to produce, maybe they will Release all of them around the same time

[@unhappygoose7299]

wow I didn't even recognize Rin when i first played Sweet Magic

[@amaratuber]

OH that's why the Sweet Magic didn't sound right. it's just a new voicebank in its entirety

[@a_nebby_not_in_a_bag]

5:27 that "yeah" is so cute tho

[@dubwubwubstek244]

ok. what the hell why do luka and meiko sound like MIKU... did they borrow notes from her voicebank or something? at some parts its freaking uncanny

[@ozzi9816]

Rin: Sounds good but has the same stuffy nose issue Miku did on release (though it helps her voice was kinda stuffy to begin with) Len: Honestly sounds really good, though honestly I can't tell much difference between this and his V4X Luka: VERY stuffy nose, which isn't good because Luka's appeal is her clear, elegant voice MEIKO: Honestly I've never been a big fan of her voice so it's hard to judge, but she suffers from the same issue as Luka, which is that she's got a stuffy nose where her appeal is a clear sounding voice (though honestly she sounds better than NT Luka imo) KAITO: Still sounds like a frog, but it's a slightly different species of frog now The number one issue of NT is what I call "stuffy nose syndrome", and it plagues all the NT synths to an extent (though Miku has the least of it because they're specifically focusing on her right now). Judging on how everyone sounds, I predict the release order for future NTs will probably be something like: Rin/Len > MEIKO > Kaito > Luka. And finally my overall thoughts on NT: I can admire what they're going for. At its best, it sounds like V2-3 Vocaloid but with better enunciation and blending between phonemes. They're definitely not aiming for realism, but to give them their own unique voices as characters, and I think they're slowly but surely succeeding. Crypton is known for taking forever to develop stuff, but when they do release it always ends up super high quality. However, the thing I'm most worried about at the moment is whether they'll actually be able to finish development in time. Big new players like CeVIO and Synth V are coming onto the scene and both Vocaloid and NT have been very slow to react- right now they're getting a fairly decent runway due to being able to coast on Miku's star power, but from what I can tell NT isn't being particularly well received in Japan and new users of Miku are still overwhelmingly going for her V4. It's a big question mark as to whether they'll be able to make another splash into the scene once these emerging technologies establish themselves. I guess technically Proseka is also extending that runway, but I imagine a fair bit of the profits from that go into making more content for Proseka instead of the development of NT, so I wouldn't count on it holding them up for forever. Also another thing I'm concerned about is how NT is being made, exactly. It seems like they are each individually improving rather than all at once across the board, which implies to me that they're hand-tuning the algorithm for each of the voices personally. That may work for now because they've only got 5 synths, but it begs the question of how or even if they're going to let others make synths on their proprietary engine. Is each synth going to just take 2-3 years to release? Or will NT be exclusively for Miku and co.? Anyway, I'm pensive but hopeful. I want to see Crypton succeed but the future is uncertain at the moment for me.

[@HaloAdmiral]

Luka sounds much better than her V4X bank.

[@RudyBeelzebumon]

Ok, Crypton REALLY need back on Yamaha

[@ericathehedgefox5725]

They all sound great and I'm looking forward the their release. Pretty much the only one who sounds questionable is Meiko

[@aicka]

if the voicebanks themselves aren't going to sound good, then can they at least let people that are good at tuning tune them? Its like they didn't even try on some songs.

[@harukihiko908]

I think that only Rin and possibly Kaito benefit from this transition to Piapro, especially Rin, as her pronounciation seems to be better, while Kaito, well ... his prononciation is definatley not better (listen to when he says "shi" for example) but at least he maintains his original tone etc. (sorry for typos)

[@Banan_31]

Kaito sounds ok, but I like his V3 more

[@ngantran3218]

Disagree Kaito NT has been improving since his Peaky Peaky and Vemon alt cover

[@lenlove4eva]

Tbh the only good ones are Rin and Len. Meiko and Luka don't sound like themselves at all they kinda sound Miku-ish if that makes sense. Like Meiko's voice doesn't feel powerful anymore but more of flat and Luka's sounds so muffled like she drowning underwater or something. I hope it's just because of the lack of tuning and they don't end up sounding trash tuned. And Kaito. He just sounds... I don't really know. Like sometimes he would sound really weird but then he would sound decent idk. His pomp and circumstance cover sounds alright though. Rin sounds so *chefs kiss* and this is just with barely any tuning to which is getting me kinda excited on what the community is gonna do with her once she comes out. And Len also sounds amazing not amazing as Rin obviously but still amazing like have you heard him in becoming potatoes?? Yea that's my opinion on all the vbs lol

[@javierfinnrodriguez]

Las mejoras en pronunciación son notorias y adoro el hecho de que suavizaran los agudos que antes eran tan solidos, y por sobretodo el cambio de voz en Meiko es increíble, y no se de que se quejan, si quieren las voces mas humanizadas, obvio tienen que sonar diferentes

[@cococharuru3677]

No del todo... Con Rin y Len sí se escuchan mejoras, en general creo q sí se esforzaron con ellos Con Kaito su voz suena suavizada sin ser como su voicebank soft y con menos tensión en las notas altas como en su voicebank straight, así q eso es una buena mejora, pero en cuanto a pronunciación, no tanto...

[@cococharuru3677]

Con Luka, me gustó q quisieron rehacer su tono de voz como en su voicebank V2, pero honestamente les falló, suena como a Miku NT con peor calidad, bastante tapada su voz y muy entrecortada la pronunciación, como un UTAU CV Con Meiko, como voicebank soft o dark queda bien, pero como su voz normal, perdió toda la fuerza que tenía, ni siquiera le llega a su voicebank V1. La pronunciación un tanto mejor, pero a veces suena como a Gachapoid xD

[@Sillypid]

Kaito, Rin, Len and Luka sounds like a Deepvocal vb Meiko sounds like an average RVC vb

[@hineraable]

Rin just straight ups sounds like Asami.

[@ChakkyCharizard]

i've always wanted a more realistic meiko and kaito and i know that's just not gonna happen at this point. but i'm happy to say, with meiko, they really blew my expectations out of the water! it's somehow even worse than i thought it would be! i was one of the people who was a bit upset when i found out they were switching engines to "make them sound less real" because i'm one of the people who, you know, thinks half the point of the software is to make it sound like a real person. and then i was FURIOUS because what they came out with sounded like absolute dogshit!! when i first heard miku i knew that engine noise was gonna be a BIG issue (racist against cevio solely for its engine noise gang whoop whoop) even if they managed to tone it down, which they did...and lo and behold, it's still an issue! i wonder if they built the engine around miku, thus giving it qualities that don't really fit non-high pitched, nasally vocals. overall, rin and len sound amazing (i expected as much just bc of how their tone is, len is a little soft though) meiko is just AWFUL, luka sounds like a loli with cotton stuffed in her mouth (her english bank seems really good though), and kaito sounds...surprisingly good? like he still has about as much power in his voice as a wet fistful of goldfish and is a little robotic but i was expecting him to sound as bad as meiko.

[@GranchioGranchio]

meiko makes me sad T_T give her justice at least

[@1MaLou3]

How is their tuning in ProSeka so bad

[@francineee6456]

They’re growing on me slowly, I can see their potential. Genuinely hope Meiko, Luka, and Kaito get improved, they sound soulless. I dislike Meiko’s the most, her high notes sounds like a chair being dragged across the floor.

[@squrriel1005]

The good thing about NT is that Crypton will be able to improve and update their voicebanks without having to release a new one, hoping they take their time with each other because to me it sounds like theyve toned down the muffled sound for the rest of the Piapro characters by a little but still understandable. The Kagamines sound improved tho

[@yctsp3446]

this is just sad 😕😕 especially luka meiko and kaito

[@kttstrwbry]

They dont sound that good to me :( but theyre still in development so i hope they improve And at least meiko and kaito have a new vb, regardless if its bad or not lol

[@pathetic2399]

Some of these definitely aren’t NT.

[@user-zu6cb1nj3j]

Please post the rest of this video!

[@AROAH]

What did they do to Luka :(

[@straweddd]

MEIKO V3 sounds MILES better than NT especially seen in Nostalogic she sounds there better than ALL NT songs of MEIKO seen

[@Muffs39]

actually nostalogic predates meiko v3 by several years and is a meiko v1 song!

[@straweddd]

YEAH even the fact that V1 sounds better than NT is embarrasing. Lovers Suicide Oblivion is an awesome example for a good MEIKO v1 song.@@Muffs39

[@LunaBloodWolf]

okay, late to the party, but here's my feelings on these beta VBs Rin: sounds really good!! she really improved! though it sounds like she lost a bit of her power that she had before Len: much the same as rin, but the lacking power in his voice is much more noticeable other than that, he sounds wonderful! Luka: MY GIRL. MY BEAUTIFUL GIRL. THEY'VE MASSACRED HER. all joking aside though, she doesn't sound, her voice wavers a lot like she can't hold a note or is singing out of her range, people say she sounds muffled, i personally don't here it, but she deff doesn't sound good, she needs the most work to improve Meiko: SPEAKING OF NEEDING IMPROVEMENT. meiko's VB makes me so sad, she's lost her power and it sounds like she's singing out of her range so her voice sorta wavers, also the muffled sound everyone is talking about is REALLY noticeable with her, i hope she gets improved Kaito: he's actually improved a lot!! which makes me really happy! i love his V1 VB the deepness it had, so i'm happy that they fixed the nasally quality that his voice seemed to have for so long, i really didn't like it, so so far, his NT Beta VB sounds really good !! and im excited to see how he improves overall i think most of them sound good, with only some minor things needing some adjustment, and i also feel that Meiko and Luka were the victims of poor tuning, but it doesn't change the fact that it feels like they were being forced to sing out of their ranges. i think having two female vocal synths that have tones is better, it creates more variety in voices. also their deeper/more mature sounding voices is what i personally like abt Meiko and Luka, and i really don't like the direction their Beta voices are going with seemingly trying to make them sound like "uwu kawaii anime girls desu~♡" yknow? i want luka's mature, almost somber sounding voice that gives a sense of nostalgia and i want meiko's mature powerful voice that feels like she really just singing her heart out. Like i said, the VBs are overall pretty good, some just need more work than other's and it makes a bit relieved to know that they're still in the beta phase lol

[@pichooooo]

Is there an update if there's an improvement in their NT voicebanks? It's almost been 3 years yet there's no update whatsoever from Crypton on what happened to them. They still sound awfully nasal (well except for Rin)

[@moony1195]

I need to buy Kaito ❤

[@amazingnobodylee]

I kinda dislike how luka sounds in this but that's probably just me

[@Mst4Alucard]

Meiko doesn't sound like herself at all :(

[@brookearnold3609]

Loving how they sound! Only question: How is Crypton getting permission to use all these songs sang by non-crypton vocaloids (IA, Flower, Gumi, etc.)??

[@yctsp3446]

the songs belong to the producers that made them not the companies that made the vocaloids they’re sung with it’s like if an artist used a yamaha piano as part of their song, they still own the song and have the rights to it, not yamaha

[@kuugaku2005]

Simple: It was Sega who got the permissions and licensing stuff. Some of the companies are rather open on that end too, while others just simply doing when the price is right. It was very common for different companies, even rivals to come together in Japan. And the other answer only provided part of the truth: while the songs do belongs to the producer themselves, they are NOT automatically granted the use of their names, in which even the Piapro Characters themselves also have similar restrictions that can be easily referred to in their Japanese version of the website. Tldr: You still need a license for using their "software trademarks", but it's not that uncommon for Japanese companies even rivals to come together doing businesses.

[@brookearnold3609]

@kuugaku2005 thank you!

[@dementedcheesepuff99]

Great compilation but there’s a few minor errors. With the exception of junky’s songs all the songs that originally featured RIN/LEN use their V4 banks in V5. So bring it on, lost one’s weeping, law-evading rock and your adventure log has vanished aren’t technically NT

[@randomname1924]

Really? I mean Bring It On, Law-Evading Rock and Adventure Log I can completely agree, but Rin on Lost One’s Weeping does seem to have some of NT’s quirks + engine noise, especially when switching to the high range. Is there like any confirmation on this?

[@_Paith_]

that Len singing Law-Evading Rock is definitely NT.

[@idontknowwhattoput5851]

Adventure Log is definitely NT, it sounds slightly different from the original.

[@tibdotwav]

this is literally low blows to kaito nt

[@Bxu021]

It doesn't necessarily sound bad, but I still don't like the nasal sounds most of them have.

[@cynder-p7585]

WAIT IS THIS MEANING LUKA NT ENG VB WILL BE RELEASED?

[@eennzzoo]

luka's voice is pretty good, but i prefer her english on v4x

[@Kaitot_t3681]

Tell me why I hear miku in some of them But they still sound good! I just wish cam would release them already 😔

[@TigeriPlaysGames]

i'm interested to hear some of these VBs in the hands of more skilled artists tbh - even with the quality of the samples aside i've always felt like many of the covers in sekai are just... kinda meh in execution

[@ReiiRei_39]

So thars why Miku sounds a bit nasal

[@ricestrange]

Rin actually sounds good!?

[@chloeg6399]

Mmmm...idk how to feel about this NT can be used and sound amazing as people have proven if turned right,BUT at the same time they still sound like they have a cold at times even with good tunning and it just doesn't feel right even with how long it's been since MIKU NT demo I still prefer the Vocaloid V2/V3/V4 VB's a LOT more...

[@eldritchseraphim]

As the Luka Enjoyer of All Time™ i am incredibly distraught. She sounds like she's cupping her hands over her mouth, actively chewing on something, and singing through that. It's so disappointing.

[@strawberrydonut_pink]

I dont even hear what is luka saying,her voice is WAAAAAY TOOOOOOOOOOOO soft snd muffled 💀

[@Hoami_Miruka]

i don't think Rin and Len are the nt, i think is just they v2

[@alex-8736]

No, V2 sounds way different

[@Hoami_Miruka]

@@alex-8736 i still think they are not the NT

[@FunnyParadox]

@@Hoami_Miruka They are, they sound waaaaay too robotic to be V2 or V4 (except Bring it on, it uses V4)

[@Mellun-P]

@@Hoami_Miruka it's NT

[@fandomencounter1672]

No. They're pronunciation is much clearer which couldn't be done in their v2. Probably not even their v4.

[@sheppin_]

My opinions: Rin sounds a little muffled/compressed and kinda choppy but she's alright. Overall, she translated over pretty well. Len: Kinda weak. His main appeal was his powerful voice so that kinda sucks to see. But at least he sounds like Len. Also suffers from the weird compression/background noise problem, though. Luka: Basically just a softer Miku now. Also kinda nasally or something? Lacks any of the previous maturity she had. MEIKO: SOOOO muffled man. She sounds kinda kazoo-ish. Completely drained of power, too. She sounds too head-voicy and seems to completely lack a chest voice. Her V1 was more powerful than this. KAITO: Also kinda kazoo-ish. Plus, he just sounds super dry. I feel like his ability to be expressive (mostly in melancholic and slower songs) was his best quality, so its sad to see him sound so emotionaless.

[@hineraable]

Not perfect, but already better than Miku NT

[@VOCARITZ]

meiko sounds SO awful bless her heart. it sounds like she's struggling with every note

[@aurasentai9602]

Honestly, meh overall. Luka is butchered. Rin is the overall best. All others hit the middle ground not good.

[@choko3536]

Kaito still sounds nasally and like a frog.

[@MOETAILS]

the nasal is worse now

[@wrong_thyme_old]

he really peaked with v1, huh 😭

[@pathetic2399]

If you didn’t like Kaitos voicebank in the first place you’re not going to hear a difference in his NT voicebank.

[@malimaui2802]

I don’t think the frog part is going to go away, since I’m assuming that’s just Naoto Fuuga sounds like when signing ( doesn’t help with the program lol ) Honestly I like his voice, but improvements can be made

[@Vitria963]

I don't like a Miku NT in project Sekai. A voice is hard. My favorite Miku's VB is Dark, sweet and solid. But Miku NT has the same robotic voice in all songs on Sekai ver.....

[@Nyamihatecoffee]

Rins the only one that sounds good 😶