Pilot's INSANE Mistakes Get 97 People Killed!

The pilots of Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303 made a series of unforgivable and insane mistakes that resulted in the aircraft landing gear up and bouncing down the runway before they decided to takeoff again! This is the story of the insane mistakes and the truth about this airline!
Note: I had to remove ALL of the crash video footage and images from this video in order to comply with KZbin's overly restrictive monetization policy. For some reason the footage of this crash is deemed to be more sensitive and not suitable for educational purposes.
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[@pilot-debrief]

Although I focus more on the Captain in this video, the First Officer is also responsible and had a duty to speak up and take control of the aircraft. Unfortunately perhaps the culture contributed to his unwillingness to do so. Also, note: I had to remove every image (and video footage) of the crash and wreckage in order to comply with KZbin's monetization policy. Thankfully the lessons we can learn from this are still just as valid.

[@paulpease8254]

Culture could certainly be a factor but it’s not possible to really generalize. Interesting observation though that one’s culture may not be well adapted for dealing with every circumstance, and that is a lesson we should all probably keep in mind lest we become complacent about how our own cultural attitudes and tendencies can cause problems in certain situations.

[@andyk2181]

@@paulpease8254 This isn't the first accident where culture has been identified as a contributing factor. Arrogance and power is a recipe for disaster. A few recent British PMs come to mind.

[@IllinoisCitizen]

@@paulpease8254 You won't get me on a flight where the crew isn't "Western." I won't even fly a Russian crew. No Aeroflot. Call me a bigot. I don't care. You watch enough of these vids, and it comes down to self preservation. It isn't that there aren't good crews. There are. But it is the probabilities and outliers that kill you. Like this crew.

[@davepayne164]

@@IllinoisCitizenstandard American racist

[@JohnnyDanger36963]

​@@davepayne164standard british racist.

[@jakelaughton683]

"Below average intelligence", is exactly what I want to hear about my pilot when I get on an aircraft.

[@sarahalbers5555]

Especially when you hear his bad reviews and all those hours logged. Was money involved? Nepotism? What a dumpster fire of a cockpit crew. Those poor, poor passengers 😢

[@scottmattern482]

Have you seen some of the people driving cars next to you? There are better things to worry about.

[@mangore623]

The number of professionals that I’ve met over the course of my life that were below average in intelligence is voluminous. You don’t need a high degree of intelligence to fly a commercial aircraft, as it’s mundane and repetitious work by its nature.

[@scowell]

Combined with 'bossy' a deadly duo.

[@creid7537]

Don't worry - Diversity is our strength.

[@buctootim]

In 1983 when I was 18 and looking for a cheap flight to Bangkok a travel agent warned me off flying with PIA, refused even to sell me a ticket with them. Everything I have heard since confirmed that was a good decision.

[@mikegarippo7815]

Listing your age in the comment is irrelevant and superfluous.

[@buctootim]

@@mikegarippo7815 Personality disorder huh?

[@kris7777x]

Did the PIA flight you were going to board crash? It didn't. Meaning it wouldn't have made a difference and would of been cheaper.

[@schlepedits7486]

@@mikegarippo7815 it adds context. what is your problem?

[@Kwauhn.]

@@buctootim Maybe consider not using mentall illness in an ad hominem attack. The guy's just an asshole. Why implicate people who are actually suffering from the disorder and struggle with managing its symptoms?

[@donreid6399]

The captain had a "Low comprehension of space relations." Yikes! I think that's an important quality to have when you're moving an object in three dimensions!

[@stevebalt5234]

Four dimensions, actually

[@crazyralph6386]

What’s even crazier is the fact that he was an ex Pakistani Air Force Captain, despite being a functioning retread. Says everything about their selection process.

[@BornKafir]

It's possible that being in the airforce made the pilot as arrogant and braindead as he was. They have some next level incompetence in their armed forces. They also look down on their civilians and firmly believe that they know best because they are the armed forces of Allah.

[@natewilson111]

​@@BornKafir When do Pakistani airforce pilots think they're doing the will of god? Answer: Allah time

[@daloshhhh]

​@@BornKafir tell me you're a hindu without telling me you're a hindu

[@jimsteinway695]

PIA had many other issues 15 years ago with faked credentials. But many many US pilots are former military pilots

[@jimsteinway695]

@@BornKafirthat’s hilarious, you’d think they’d figure out that if Allah wanted Pakistanis to fly Allah would have given them feathers

[@chrisnegele6875]

Some pilots have 17,000 hours and some have one hour 17,000 times. This seems a most perfect example.

[@divemasterben]

💯FACT!

[@natewilson111]

I never thought of it that way. A very wise perspective! (It probably pertains to many other areas of life!)

[@jamespppyacek342]

Well put.

[@Madpandasaur]

@@natewilson111 it’s like the Bruce Lee quote

[@oploupe]

I love this quote!

[@MentourPilot]

Nice video!

[@pilot-debrief]

Yours as well! What are the odds we cover the same tragedy on the same weekend?!? We should do a collaboration sometime!

[@MentourPilot]

@@pilot-debriefOh absolutely! I would love to discuss that. Send me an email to [e-mail] .

[@supsnail]

Yea crazy coincidence haha, both videos are top quality

[@DonWan47]

Now we demand a collaboration!

[@MetzJnr]

Yes we demand a colab!! Here after I saw Mentors!!

[@df4196]

Tower was definitely “surprised with what you’ve done”

[@Ravebiscuits]

I remember stories my dad told me as a kid about the state of PIA aircraft, which used to land at Manchester Airport in the UK. My dad used to drive the catering trucks to unload food, drinks, and carts from the inbound flight and load fresh food, drinks etc for the outbound flight, in the mid 90s to early 2000s. My dad would routinely find insects on food and in food carts, which would require fumigation. And strong smells of urine and faeces that awaited him as the cabin door opened! Then came the partial ban of PIA flying in EU airspace due to safety and maintenance standards, followed by issues with the authenticity of pilots licenses (as mentioned in the video). And now, causing the death of passengers due to bad flight management, poor communication, stubbornness, or of the above? Personally, I'd rather walk than risk my health and life on a PIA flight.

[@morghetoofun2979]

Thinking of being smart seems to be a cultural attitude in Pakistani minds which results in corruption and disaster!

[@mr022389]

They Pakistani so lol

[@MlecchaFreeVishwa]

In whichever country you go, ghettos of mujeets are very dirty and full of foul atmosphere. They don't bath for weeks. That's what is ruining India, South Africa and Europe today.

[@MlecchaFreeVishwa]

In whichever country you go, ghettos of mujeets are very dirty and full of foul atmosphere. They don't bath for weeks. That's what is ruining India, South Africa and Europe today.

[@MlecchaFreeVishwa]

Right. Very good observation. In whichever country you go, ghettos of mujeets are very dirty and full of foul atmosphere. They don't bath for weeks. That's what is ruining India, South Africa and Europe today.

[@-yeme-]

This has got to be the craziest, most unbelievable air crash story I've ever heard. When a crash comes down to pilot error, sometimes you can see how anyone might have done the same things or made the same decisions or at least understand the processes that got them into trouble, but this is sheer madness.

[@AlexanderBrown77]

🎺🌥️1 Thessalonians 4 KJV ✝️🩸 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Romans 3 KJV 🩸 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

[@robquinn9999]

I always though Aeroflot Flight 593 was about as bad as it could possibly get. Evidently I was incorrect.

[@Negev-Israel]

​@@AlexanderBrown77Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book(Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Quran 9;29

[@Negev-Israel]

Did you expect IQ above room temperature from Pakistan?😂

[@clapiotis]

@@AlexanderBrown77 When you confuse real life with religion then it is time to go and see a doctor (same goes for the next guy who talks about Allah)

[@TheFox808]

The level of incompetence was truly baffling

[@northwestprof60]

"Baffling?" A generation ago, Pakistanis were using camels to get around

[@DonWan47]

Indeed.

[@Mshi-]

Lmfao​@northwestprof60

[@BornKafir]

They were also fasting. Hunger and dehydration from Ramadan made them extra incompetent. PIA banned their pilots from fasting if they're working after this avoidable accident.

[@Skyforger62]

Up to 34% of PIA pilots have fake licenses or had others take their exams?!? Absolutely insane!! This incident was probably one of the most shocking examples of complacency and ineptness I have ever heard. Keep up the excellent work Hoover!!👍

[@khanabbasi5801]

Shut your propaganda. If they had fake license then why most crashes were European n russian planes . Pakistani pilots are professional n good thats why less crashes n accidents in history ok.

[@ElectronFieldPulse]

@@khanabbasi5801- Are you kidding? Pakistan has 50 percent cousin marriages and the IQ has suffered greatly as a result. They are basically a failed country controlled by the army for a reason. The scariest thing of all is that they have nuclear weapons… god help us

[@sweeptheleg.]

@@khanabbasi5801 The truth stings, doesn't it?

[@Dahmer_Jeff]

I wouldn't trust a Pakistani with anything that concerns me. Nope. 🇺🇸 🇺🇲 🇺🇸

[@MarleneWalker-su8ku]

​@@sweeptheleg.He was going to respond to your last comment but he took a PIA flight since you posted 😂

[@b3tth0l3]

Amazing video!! Another factor to this crash which was not mentioned in the video may have been the fact that the pilot and co-pilot were observing Ramadan by fasting while flying the plane. While fasting/hypoglycemia may not have caused the crash, it may definitely have contributed to fatigue and pilot error leading to some very bad decisions being made. After the crash PIA apparently put out a circular stating that flying pilots were no longer allowed to fast while flying.

[@vijayjaiswara4796]

This was a morning flight.. and these bastards probably had gulped tons of food when they break their fast early morning ..just a few hours back to this incident.. can it still cause what you're saying might've caused them to fuck it all up.

[@ramonmedina1974]

One of the stupidest accidents I've ever seen! It really doesn't get any more crazy than that!

[@skyedog24]

This is the most stupid accident that there could possibly be, two people must have had conflicting egos have a conflict whilst being on final , to fight each other for the controls is just beyond belief. It will be interesting to see how mayday mayday handles this one or if they even will .

[@jamescollier3]

the kids doing sim games are better pilots

[@ramonmedina1974]

@@jamescollier3 😂😂😂😂😂

[@adotintheshark4848]

coming down too fast, too low, no landing gear, scrape the he$$ out of the engines then they took off again (or tried to)

[@chrisg9627]

@@ramonmedina1974 and he is right.

[@brianakelley123]

Frustrating how many opportunities they were given to fix this. Such senseless loss of life. Rip to the victims

[@sister_bertrille911]

Even after they had "landed" the first time, after making/taking just about every bad decision in the book, the death toll would have been much lower if they had only stayed on the ground. That go around with two compromised engines was insane.

[@phattjohnson]

@@sister_bertrille911 It was stupidity, toxic culture, AND fear at that point all combined..

[@mikevolpe5995]

@@sister_bertrille911 Who would possibly do a "go around" after smashing both engines onto the runway? What gave them the idea that staying on the runway with the thrust reversers, hopefully slowing the plane down, was not as good an option as the "go around" they chose to do? Insane! Is a good choice of words in this case.

[@stevenc8140]

Could you imagine being a passenger KNOWING you are going to die because the plane is descending so F -Fast!!!

[@Stumpchunkman226]

Thanks for showing us what a good person you are. Your good deed for the day is done. 🙏

[@sorka95032]

The whole time I was watching this, I kept thinking these can't be real pilots. Then it all made sense in the last 60 seconds of the video.

[@rolfen]

Lowering the landing gear just when they are about to stall is like the cherry on the cake

[@picketf]

1.Landing gear is lowered without voicing the action 2. FO retracts the landing gear before landing again without saying anything 3. They belly land on the runway 4. Captain takes over 5. They do not discuss the belly landing with each other 6. They receive a call from tower warning them about the still retracted gear 7. Upon hearing that, the FO immediately realised, they belly landed because he forgot to voice he had retracted the landing gear to prepare for go-around. 8. not wanting to commit the same mistake he lowers the landing gear too early, while both engines are down and they're barely being kept in the air by the tail engine.... meanwhile CPT pushing down, while FO pulling up cancels each other's input

[@ryancraig2795]

PIA added to my list of airlines to never fly with.

[@gadsdenconsulting7126]

My no-fly list is exhaustive. It includes every airline and airplane out there.

[@adotintheshark4848]

If it's a third world country that doesn't speak my language, I'm not flying in their airplanes

[@deepthinker999]

Wise Decision - Actually a No Brainer.

[@johnstuartsmith]

If I wouldn't buy a car that was made in their country, I'd rather not fly in one of their airlines.

[@manoz6194]

I'm Pakistani and never liked flying with them lol

[@FlorianGeyer210]

Back in the 80's my father was working in Saudí Arabia and he always used to say that PIA does not stand for Pakistán International Airlines but It stands for Pray In Allah. No wonder he never wanted to fly PIA.

[@mistergq1774]

Yeah that’s why he rode camel to work every day

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@mistergq1774 at least the camels didn't need to fast during Ramadan, amirite?

[@phattjohnson]

Insha-All-ah-shit!

[@Monkeyfingers]

In CPH we always Said it was for Perhaps I Arrive

[@thefreedomguyuk]

it's the same in all those countries. I was briefly working with Garuda Indonesia, Jakarta. What a mess, and a complete lack of CRM. Captains were bullies, and a F/O would often be nothing more than a passenger monitoring the comms.

[@johnbayley7433]

Not a pilot here Hoover, but I for one very much appreciate your very succinct analysis and clear explanations of the issues involved in these events, without the waffle and over-dramatisation I see elsewhere. Keep up the good work. Your work will save lives.

[@Taketimeout3]

You are kidding? He just copies other Aviation uploads . He is not even a pilot! Waffle? He is all waffle, and you know it. Is he paying you?😅

[@markstrickland9731]

As far as what happened, I have no words. As far as “Hoover”, GREAT job as always. Love your format, and keep up the good work!

[@user-wz2qe2pv6r]

The whole company needs to be shut down...unbeleivable.

[@jamesdozier3722]

They were Blacklisted by the US. Not sure what status they are now.

[@_Dimon_]

They are already banned from operating in EU and US, but there is no way that Pakistan would shut down their own company.

[@ummijaan1448]

PIA is getting privatized as we speak.

[@eekamoose]

​@@ummijaan1448 Wow, I don't think that will help 😬 Privatization almost always means loss of quality, more expensive operations, but some rich people becoming richer.

[@rrai1999]

@@eekamoose Actually private companies tend to do very well, its when they go public, as in, publicly traded on the stock market- that they go bad.

[@debrajohnson545]

No checklist, no situational awareness, having to be called on guard to answer ATC, airplane is flying them they aren't even holding onto the tail.

[@jamescollier3]

yeah. the ATC are better pilots than the pilots

[@adotintheshark4848]

I'm wondering if there wasn't a little "alahu akhbar" in this crash.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

That's why they call it an Airbus. They are bus drivers, not pilots. 🚌

[@ro-86alkonost78]

And when the captain takes over the control, is it really hard to say, "My control"?

[@tacsmith]

This sounds like the kind of thing you'd only see happening in a flight sim somewhere with complete beginners.

[@snooganslestat2030]

The lack of communication/battle of egos is absolutely ridiculous.

[@robinwells8879]

Loss of face is a profound issue. Death before dishonour Inshallah….

[@Von_99Slingshot]

Overconfidence is the problem

[@OliverOgg]

Quite extraordinary. Thank you for the debrief and storytelling

[@kendrapratt2098]

“The aircraft is smarter than the pilots.” Amen, brother!

[@augustingarnier4625]

The aircraft will always stay beholden to the laws of physics and gravity. That's why I love em'!

[@wcads623]

Even a smart aircraft cannot compensate for dumb pilots😪😪

[@morkusmorkus6040]

That is a criminally low amount of compensation to families, and especially survivors.

[@jugo1944]

At least it's not a gift certificate to Pakistan International Airlines

[@bonzology322]

This is what a theological dictatorship looks like, wait till you see what trump does to the USA when he kills democracy and appoints himself dictator

[@adotintheshark4848]

free air miles on PIA should have been included

[@JoeRogansForehead]

It’s Pakistan. They probably got half of what they said they gave them because someone in the military took a cut . Here is a goat and 100 Disney dollars , now keep your mouth shut or we will get our Taliban buddy’s to drive by your house

[@williamford9564]

That is a lot of money in Pakistan.

[@nobodyofconsequence9930]

Good stuff Hoover as usual. Your practical explanations could be life saving. One thing I appreciate about your analysis is the pace of delivery. Some other content providers offer good analysis but drag out the explanations so long that I lose interest.

[@Montana_horseman]

I'm not a pilot but I'm going to just assume "Insha-Allah" is not a part of any landing procedure. Always a great debrief. 👍

[@deepthinker999]

For these two pilots it is a part of the landing procedure.

[@Montana_horseman]

@@deepthinker999 I think it was, and likely a necessity during every landing. 👍

[@EternalSearcher]

normal for muslims I assume

[@RM-ci7be]

Still better than you Nazi.

[@fetB]

@@EternalSearcher "normal" is a bad justification

[@FlyWithMe_666]

"below average intelligence" should be an automatic no-go to become an airline pilot. "Hello, this is your Captain speaking. I don't understand all these instruments and procedures, but I'll do my best to bring you to our destination which I already forgot."

[@maldenfoster]

😂😂

[@MrIluvbutts]

It's not disqualifying for fat, traitorous former presidents apparently

[@Rob2]

And how do you see that? "below average intelligence" worldwide, "below average intelligence" for the country, or what?

[@jhsevs]

@@Rob2I think the wording "below average intelligence" just was a nicer way to say "really effin stupid"

[@FlyWithMe_666]

@@Rob2I didn’t write the report at 1:02. And does it really matter? “Oh, you’re just dumb by country X standards, but not country Y. Good luck!”

[@Ealsante]

"He likes bossing others around and having his way!" "Oh dear. Is he at least clever when he has his way?" "Haha! No."

[@rasman007]

I have randomly come across your videos and I really have to tell you that I am so impressed with your knowledge and how you explain these videos in layman’s terms. Extremely well done assessment.

[@M14armorer]

It’s hard to believe anyone described as “below average” in any category being a commercial pilot

[@vilkku792]

There are "below average" pilots flying safely every day considering half of the population is below average.

[@skinnie2838]

Their pretend allah god didnt save them? A truly stunning development.

[@Shreaadedaa]

@@skinnie2838 Allah doesnt save you if you dont want to save yourself, what did you see in the video?? ATF was clearly telling him to do the right thing, Aircraft was yelling 100 things, what should Allah do now? come down to hold the plane????

[@skinnie2838]

@@Shreaadedaa Huh? We do not save ourselves. We trust in Christ and his work on the Cross saves us.

[@johnkaimins9998]

@@skinnie2838 In your haste to preach, you are missing the entire point of this discussion. Christ's work on the cross is about grace. It is the wrong analogy to use in this case of pilot incompetence and arrogance.

[@dx1450]

I'm not a pilot, but I think making sure your gear is down ought to be #1 on the checklist before landing...

[@megnotmegan1966]

Yeah I’m with you

[@Pootie_Tang]

right after the check for not to be flying inverted

[@marksmith402]

Great Debrief as usual Hoover!! Decorum prevents me from sharing how i truly feel about this accident....Absolutely Apalling!!

[@jccloud9]

Great breakdown and debrief, Hoover!

[@gunnarpaternal7495]

Mentour released a long video about this yesterday. Great timing!

[@MakeupShawty]

Yes I watched that one too

[@TheKingck]

Thanks for the tip, got to get over there first For the very few of us who like long form content, it'll be better for me to get the full dissection first before I get follow-up statements or thoughts on the matter Still, shout out to this young gentleman and his growing Channel. Need more professionals monetizing their learned skills in addition to the initial retirement plan

[@Guspech750]

What a complete and utter shit show in the cockpit. RIP. 🙏

[@BlairAir]

And Blancolirio last week. For good reason. These pilots gained nothing but bad habits and the worst of their horrible corporate culture.

[@danijuggernaut]

Ohhh yeah, a lot was going on, more then 17 minutes video. Banzaiiiiii !!!

[@same5952]

What?!? Up to 34% of PIA pilots had fake pilots license and/or paid OTHERS to take their exams? WTH? Their own butts are on the aircraft! I now know what the assessment of captain's "below average intelligence" refers to, if he was one of those with questionable credentials.

[@Carlton-B]

According to Airbus, a cab driver could fly their aircraft. This statement didn't go over too well with pilots. Nevertheless, if you follow all Airbus procedures, the aircraft should be able to take off, fly, and land nearly by itself. Or so I have read. Airbus is designed for questionable Airmanship.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

Believe it or not that means he was one of the "GOOD" ones. He took the tests and passed and despite being below average intelligence-wise. The ones who didn't probably couldn't...

[@ahG7na4]

a lot of people are in their fields just for the social status

[@rawdyrider]

For your info there was a complete inquiry and all was found in order.It was an attempt by the Air Force assholes to get civilian pilots fired so they could get in.At that time there were twelve a/f basttards deputed in Pia during Imran Khans Govt.The aviation minister had a fake welders degree ! A messed up list with wrong service numbers mixed up timings between UTC and PST and mixed up names was given by CEO PIA to another air force Air Commodore working in CAA Pak (whos since died due to artery rupture) who passed it onto the so called "aviation minister" (a drunkard and fake degree holder himself) who like an idiot blurted it out in the national assembly........

[@graantmnz]

reminds me of a friend who told me she had a passenger in the car from china, who asked on a trip if she could have a turn at driving...Jo asked her if she had a license "yes" the woman replied , "I bought one" turns out she could not even drive, had never driven, but had bought a license which was valid as a tourist in NZ ...

[@jimmydeewilliams6489]

I enjoyed listening to your clear narrative and informed explanation.. although the entire episode is so sad and tragic knowing this could have been easily prevented. Thank you!

[@daviddeaton1575]

❤ You have the best flying chanel out there you go into good detail on your stories giving the feeling your riding along 😊 Keep them coming

[@JonDrake1]

This incident is a defining example of normalisation of deviance. He got away with it many times before and so it goes on. Never underestimate how incompetent an overloaded crew can become. In this case it was entirely self induced. What an entirely avoidable tragedy.

[@johnstuartsmith]

Which is why pilots should not be allowed to deviate from established procedures unless they had some very good reasons.

[@PositiveOnly-dm3rx]

Pretty sure the established procedures for middle eastern pilots is just winging it.

[@jorgemoro5476]

One time back in the early 90’s I was flying from Dulles in DC to LA on business. As I boarded the plane I heard the captain and the FO arguing with the captain finally stating: you’ll do it my way or the highway and I don’t want to hear another word for the rest of the flight”. I turned around and walked off the plane to the surprise and astonishment of the crew and boarding passengers.

[@hosseinhosseini4194]

And you lived to talk about it. Good move.

[@davidt8087]

@@hosseinhosseini4194and so did everyone else. An arguement doesn't mean you'll crash. They're not your average taxi driver. Pilots are on another echelon than typical passengers who only can drive and think driving rules are similar to fljght rules. It doesn't work like that

[@daveg-Vancouver_Island]

@@davidt8087🤦🏻‍♂️ it’s a horrible sign!

[@brumbarz398]

Yes problem with either FO or Captain. I don’t want the flight crew who are arguing at that level.

[@davidt8087]

@@daveg-Vancouver_Island ok whatever you say Mr expert

[@chuckcawthon3370]

I am stunned by the closing remarks over the bogus ratings. Incredible. Great presentation as always.

[@666okano]

This is insane! Another amazing debrief thankyou

[@hmpp7013]

These 2 pilots were unprofessional to the insane level!

[@07blackdog]

Another good example of complacency and overconfidence is the 1994 B-52 crash at Fairchild AFB, Spokane, Washington. Arrogant aircraft commander with a history of dangerous flying. Very sad story. I'd like to see you do a debrief on that one.

[@mikecox1974]

Yeah good call I know exactly what you're talking about. That'd be a good debrief.

[@johnnunn8688]

Shocking leadership from the upper echelons who let him get away with it for so long. Sad that the families watched their loved ones die.

[@Koozomec]

I've enjoyed a debrief in french about that one (Aldo Sterone Aviation, an english pilot and gentleman from Algeria).

[@Daniel-Weaver]

Warnings Unheeded.

[@dicksonfranssen]

I'm not posting these for "entertainment". First the B52 crash, then AIA808 at Guantánamo Bay kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqDLkoSkrMl6htU kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGaUnpSmpcaXeqM

[@pamelaremel7477]

Finally subscribed. Love your videos!

[@the_phaistos_disk_solution]

Nicely done!

[@Proost1]

Hey Hoover, you're doing pilot debriefs exactly as we were trained in the military. Short, factual, and to the point. Zero fluff. Really appreciate your channel and its meteoric rise!

[@_myron]

You can always count on a pilot to let everyone know that they are a pilot

[@deepthinker999]

Somebody has to fill the void left by the Flight Channel.

[@Proost1]

@@_myron Totally true. Except I drove ships! More jet engines!😀

[@petemelick9737]

Hoover, love the direct, concise information you provide. Brings back bad memories of PIA flight 268 that crashed with no survivors on approach to Kathmandu in September 1992. I was flying with two work mates Jim and John on that flight from Heathrow. 20 minutes before boarding I heard my name over the PA. It was the office cancelling my flight due to some work issue. The two lads and 165 others left on that flight... The very next day I flew with PIA to Kathmandu to help sort out the aftermath. To say I was apprehensive is probably an understatement...! I remember seeing the wreckage from above. Often wonder why the pilots of 268 made such a mistake. Perhaps your insights explain why. Keep up the great work. All the best.

[@FreddyNL]

Hoover, I absolutely love your videos even though I’m not a pilot myself. I just admire and share your dedication for aviation safety.

[@ukqwerty999]

Saw the story on Mentour pilot, it's one of the craziest I've ever heard. Nice video Hoover.

[@synupps877]

It amazes me that the jet did a touch-and-go with the landing gear up.

[@Freeeez3]

apparently it bounced multiple times even...

[@adotintheshark4848]

It got airborne but with one damaged engine. Then the pilots shut off the other. It was the kiss of death.

[@williamgreene4834]

I think you mean a crash and go.

[@Freeeez3]

@@adotintheshark4848 both engines were badly damaged and leaking oil fast.

[@bitterspice5525]

Arrogance and stupidity are a deadly combination.

[@MrIluvbutts]

Republicans

[@Rob2]

@@MrIluvbutts Religious

[@JBS2018]

@@MrIluvbutts Republicans AND Democrats. And you as well, apparently, since you are consumed and fully blinded by party politics.

[@bonzology322]

Religion and republicans

[@autograndeunlimited]

​@@Rob2*atheists

[@KeepingOnTheWatch]

I’m so very thankful this video is only 17 minutes long. Informative, efficient and to the point. Thank you for this information!

[@wisamk.5105]

I remember when I young they used to say PIA means Perhaps I Arrive. That is true indeed.

[@richardcatalinajr.369]

this one falls into the category "You can't make this stuff up." Great analysis, Hoover. Love your videos.

[@faaiqusman]

Great, alongside Grreen dot aviation, Mentour Pilot

[@uncannyvalleywoods7248]

I'm not a pilot, but I applaud all the pilots out there for not letting gravity get them down.

[@raymondo162]

HA

[@keithkennedy2725]

Great commentary… Thank You

[@JosephJones757]

"lack of general awareness" is a great attribute for a pilot

[@sarahalbers5555]

You had me at not doing a check list and the continuous unrelated cockpit chatter. And just when you thought it couldn't get worse- it does. Thank you Hoover, great debrief as usual.

[@jfjaksgf]

I bet the captain was one of the PIA pilots with bogus credentials. Disregarding ATC commands (in an effort to save him from disaster) and then bragging how amazed ATC will be with his piloting skills is insane arrogance. It’s so sad for the surviving family members of the 90+ passengers that their loved ones died in such a preventable tragedy. R.I.P.

[@tookitogo]

Mentour’s video about this incident explicitly says these two pilots were not among the ones with fake credentials.

[@sarahalbers5555]

​@@tookitogoyou know, that makes it even worse.

[@mikoto7693]

@@sarahalbers5555Indeed. The first psychological assessment deemed him unfit to be an airline pilot. His reaction was to try and get a second opinion-of five “second opinions.” He managed to get a “yes” from some of them but the rules changed to disallow second opinions. So then he appealed to the Pakistani Ombudsman equivalent and they then eventually cleared him to start airline pilot training. Naturally he had his problems during training and his career but somehow managed to make it to captain and keep his job despite the glaring flaws. I honestly don’t know how he managed it. I’d guess maybe he had wealth or family connections in combination with the fact that generally Airbus airliners are heavily automated with a lot of computer assistance that’s the friend of any low skill or inexperienced pilot. I honestly wonder how he would have fared if he’d tried to fly Boeing planes given they have less automation. But these are only guesses. I have no idea how he managed to last so long and get promoted given his deficiencies.

[@Nick-ji7hb]

This is the best channel on KZbin. I don't understand why pilots rely on the auto-pilot so much. Harder to get distracted when you are hand flying.

[@blueeyeddevil1]

Excellent breakdown, yet again. The Mentour Pilot YT channel recently did a more in-depth breakdown of this incident, for those interested. But this is a great shorter version 👍

[@sapphirejunction8993]

Mentour Pilot released a deep dive analysis of this incident yesterday and also pleased you've covered this as well.

[@pilot-debrief]

Thanks!

[@K1OIK]

[@sapphirejunction8993]

@@K1OIK Unbelievable reply, get back in your cave...troll.

[@E4RLIES]

@@pilot-debriefyour channel is currently my go to for aviation -straight talking with a voice of reason and experience! Thanks dude 👌🏼😎🧢

[@user-ge6dy1ru6x]

Mentor us mote detailed for pilots in training and enthusiasts or maybe journalist writing a detailed story or families in legal proceedings. I find " pilot debrief " better for lay people like me as its shorter and focusing very determined on the important points explained the reasons why . Good for Amy technical professiosn to learn preventing incidents in other professional environments.

[@wingmanjim6]

Another superb debrief and another big thank you to Hoover !

[@charliechristie2949]

Hello, Hoover... I am your newest "student". Thank you for another informative video. Your final comments about the Pakistan airways pilots in general was no surprise to me. Someone close to me was an FAA Inspector who tested pilots who wanted to be allowed to enter U.S. airspace. He said pilots like the ones flying PIA were many. He told me many pilots from that region failed their first testing flights' and were downright frightening. Thank you again, Charlie C.

[@gfexc]

I´m just watching and listening to the narration of events and my heart rate keeps getting faster

[@XRP747E]

Nicely presented, with the main crew errors covered in a succinct and understandable way. Well done! Thank you.

[@Maggie-tr2kd]

@XRP747E , I agree. Pilot Debrief does a fantastic job of presenting what is essential to understand about a flight accident and the critical lessons to be learned. Great presentation !!

[@kristensorensen2219]

Excellent review of every innept activity by these two feckless 🦃s. You can't fix stupid & lazy; just never promote such people. I always talk to the Captain when I get on any flight. If I think they are inept then I get off that plane. ERAU 80 CFIA&I ret.

[@bartofilms]

Have mentioned this on other aviation channels, but I met a former 757 pilot for AA who was also a former Navy pilot. One Thanksgiving he told us some amazing stories, but also an admonition: DO NOT FLY on commercial Carriers based South of the US Border, or from 3rd World Countries. Primary Reasons: Inadequate funding for parts, maintenance and pilot training. He gave specific examples. For instance, entering a Mexicana DC-10 to meet up with a colleague pilot. He sat in right seat and reviewed the Log Book while waiting for his friend to exit the Lav. He said he saw that the DC-10 was flying with several critical systems, including hydraulics, that were non-op and running on stand-by source. Several instruments were also down on one side. He said that pilots from some countries look at every successful flight as a case of ‘cheating death’. If you knew your flight crews thought like that, would you step foot in their aircraft?

[@sarahalbers5555]

My ex was a career Naval Intelligence officer. His rule was to fly on American and British flag carriers ONLY.

[@cruisingal2]

Thanks for the heads up! I fly only Delta, but know someone who is a United pilot. I'm just loyal to Delta and they seem to be one of the safer ones out there. It almost sounds like the pilot was a no care attitude ... maybe fighting with a wife, or even in contact with her during flight.... I know we don't know the answer, but you just have to leave your personal life on the ground.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

Oh sh*t...

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

@@sarahalbers5555 Not French, German or Japanese for example?

[@deepthinker999]

@@MundaneThingsBackwards Flag carriers from those countries are good.

[@Jack-uv6xx]

That was interesting; thank you!

[@Emzzz78]

Excellent, as always, Hoover!! You never fail to keep my attention )which is hard lol). Did you ever get your KZbin issues worked out?

[@E4RLIES]

Insha-Allah ? Any approach that’s reliant on your deity should sound alarm bells in your mind😨😢

[@bigdawg3683]

Hard to say if it's unusual for them to say in the cockpit. It's certainly not unusual to hear that from a Muslim because we don't know the future; you can say see you tomorrow and it will be followed with Insha-Allah.

[@bonzology322]

Funny how being present in fact based reality with adherence to scientific protocol would have landed them perfectly, removing gods will all together, just sayin

[@E4RLIES]

Just to be clear; not a dig at any religion. Just I wished that first officer would’ve been woken up by the need to say that phrase!!

[@EricLondaits]

@@E4RLIES It's most likely just a common phrase, like "God willing" in English. People often use "Si Dios quiere..." ("God willing") or "Dios mediante" (more or less the same) in Spanish for even trivial everyday things ("I'll be there around 5:00"), and it doesn't even mean they believe in God. According to Wikipedia, the Quran requires using this expression when discussing future events... so for someone religious or living in a religious environment is probably automatic when talking in the future tense.

[@phattjohnson]

Insha-All-ah-shit!

[@veutsavoir]

As usual, interesting, thoughtful evaluation and commentary. Thank you.

[@keithartworker]

Thank you for calling out the danger of complacency.

[@BleachBath-fr8ps]

I’m not a pilot, have an intense phobia of flying and am not particularly interested aviation, but man do I love this channel. I watched nearly 5 hours worth of Pilot Debrief, Pilot Mentour and another similar channel whose name escapes me at the moment. Good work. These are genuinely interesting, entertaining and scary videos. Edit: It’s also fair and balanced criticism and doesn’t have deranged misogynistic analysis that (many) other aviation channels whom I won’t name do.

[@markh3279]

A good reason to avoid aircraft from questionable countries

[@andyk2181]

Try searching for the EU air safety list, probably not all that surprising.

[@j.a.3138]

Just make sure you fly good airlines

[@markh3279]

@@j.a.3138 coming in from an airline family there are some that I just do not fly.

[@markh3279]

@@andyk2181 I wonder if that brings up Boeing aircraft Incidents

[@Stilipluth]

Yeah like the USA with Boeing

[@RealWoutLies]

As a student, I’ve learned to focus and think about what I’m doing. Verbalizing each step and confirming what I’m doing and what the planes doing. I can’t imagine flying a big plane without focusing, knowing you’re simply can’t screw up.

[@johnnunn8688]

Keep that focus and never stop learning. Always use the checklists.

[@Trevor_Austin]

Do you really enjoy flying? It doesn’t sound like it. Verbalising everything you do does nothing to prevent cock-ups. Nor will the average checklist. Want really counts is putting your brain well ahead of where the aircraft will be pointed. So instead of using brain power to speak, use it to think about where you want your aircraft to be well ahead of your arrival and constantly consider if you really want to be there. I’ll not go into checklists.

[@phattjohnson]

Verbalizing each step means you're eventually going to take longer than needed once you're proficient. It's great to start training with, get the routine down to an artform.. but you can have discipline and safety without re-enacting a Thunderbirds take-off EVERY single time :P

[@Kinghutchyafl]

I'm a student pilot to and verbalize everything I do - it really helps

[@pricklypetesalmonella]

It's not complacency or over confidence it 's the culture the pilots were raised in.

[@wcdaniel7]

Great video.

[@mistermystery1999]

What a disaster in the cockpit

[@jayachandranpr7673]

Very nice video, very well analysed!

[@truth9958]

Glad to see you doin' things, Steve-O.

[@user-np9sl8de8t]

Awesome video

[@6AlphaMikeCharlie9]

Just looking how PiA is painted on the Plane should tell you not to fly with it.

[@_Dimon_]

It only looks bad because that's an AI upscaled photo. But still there is no way i would fly on PIA flight.

[@bonzology322]

Imagine flying on a PIA Boeing 737 max!?

[@onerider808]

I’m just a drone pilot, but am still learning lots of (mostly applicable) things. Thanks!

[@monkeyjunkyard9947]

I've been enjoying your content! Have you done anything with the Malaysian flight? It would be interesting to hear your perspective on what little they've shared.

[@simondaughtry4619]

Low Intelligence is the flaw winner IMO.

[@matthewprovencio6020]

Im sure he thought he was the best pilot too

[@victorr2245]

So many opportunities to take a step back, recover and reassess. Shocking how many bad decisions were made by the captain given his experience.

[@bonzology322]

He wasn’t a captain, he was a capn, as in Cap’n Crunch

[@phattjohnson]

So much beta energy.

[@johnstuartsmith]

A great amount of his experience was doing whatever he felt like doing and getting away with it.

[@6thdayblue59]

As always….. A balanced and informative view. It makes me feel uncomfortable to say “thank you’ given the loss of life (but i know you to be a man of integrity) Given the lives lost, we can’t “like” but we can listen for Hoovers next post. Peace, Love & Reality to all members xx (when we watch and learn)

[@museumjunkie9317]

Well done video

[@SableRain]

My two most favourite aviation channels just uploaded videos explaining the same accident. Going to settle in on the couch with my cross stitch and chamomile tea and thoroughly enjoy these videos.

[@funbags6471]

What scares me the most is the fact that so many of these people have false paperwork. They really believe there is nothing wrong with doing stuff as sketchy and shady as possible...

[@hunnerbunner2000]

The only paperwork they care about is the Quran

[@AttorneyBCollins]

The thing that is most scary is both these pilots DID have legit paperwork.

[@funbags6471]

@@AttorneyBCollins just imagine the ones with the fake ones then 🤣

[@AttorneyBCollins]

@@funbags6471 Exactly, there were the GOOD ones!

[@95BLUERAY]

@@hunnerbunner2000 believe me not even the Quran

[@judyjohnson630]

This is both terrifying and unbelievable, that these pilots could be so blase and negligent. I have never had a single issue landing in Karachi. Not one. Great video.

[@jimmyfaherty8588]

Terrifying. Some people think there is too much safety precautions built in to business here in the USA. Story's like this make me realize you can never have enough.

[@johnnunn8688]

Mentour pilot did this too. When the Captain first applied to PIA, he failed due to his mental state. He then got other psychiatrists to say he was sound and he was then taken on. He also became a check pilot. This tells me he ‘knew people’. Those people have those deaths on their shoulders but they won’t care because ‘inshalla’.

[@stavrosk.2868]

Mentour blabbers too much. I prefer this channel and green dot.

[@daftvader4218]

​@@stavrosk.2868follow the bribery...

[@Catpanl]

@@stavrosk.2868this channel is all about hype and click bait titles. Mentor actually does a lot of technical breakdowns of what is actually happening and helps pilots learn.

[@mikoto7693]

@@stavrosk.2868Speak for yourself. I prefer the detail and technical content of Mentour’s style.

[@Pablo668]

Ok, Insha-Allah or Inshalla should never be a word uttered when preparing to land a plane.

[@Koozomec]

I swear a lot of people have this attitude while merging on the highway.

[@utopian2222]

@@Koozomec 🤣😂🙃

[@bonzology322]

Neither should omg, god willing, help me god, praise god, praise Jesus, pray to god etc, leave all gods out of it and adhere to scientific protocol to ensure a safe landing and happy outcome, now apply that to the rest of your life and you WIN!

[@jimarcher5255]

@@bonzology322As Jimmy Stewart said in his Lindbergh movie, “ I don’t need a prayer to land an airplane cause I know how to land an airplane.”

[@deepthinker999]

@@bonzology322 On Mexicana from the USA the passengers all clap after the plane lands. True Story.

[@lonewolf5238]

Would love to see a collaboration between you and Petter of Mentour Pilot. Your respective coverages of this insane incident are like bookends, perfectly balanced, precise and comprehensive, yet from different perspectives.

[@thomasminer7154]

My wife travels to, and works in Africa. It’s always alarming when she sends me photos of scorched planes in some field on the side of a not so well maintained runway. Standards, especially following them, should be universal but they’re not. Know who you’re flying with. Another good video Hoover. Be safe.

[@pollylewis9611]

WOW, just so many things that could have been done to keep this tragedy from happening, thank you Hoover you for another awesome debrief.

[@hillcrestvideoprod1]

Second the praise for your work, Hoover!

[@jonslg240]

"Bossy, overbearing, below average intelligence, and little regard for authority." *Keep in mind this is in an evaluation where most people pretend to be as perfect, nice, knowledgeable, and obedient as they can.* Those attributes alone, done during an evaluation, should be enough to get any pilot shit-canned. Little regard for authority should be enough, or any 2 of the other 3 attributes. Bossy, below average intelligence? Gone. Bossy & overbearing? Gone. Overbearing & below average intelligence? Gone. *that's not even to mention LOW COMPREHENSION OF SPATAL RELATIONS and also LOW MECHANICAL COMPREHENSION* This guy must have been someone's nephew or cousin to be allowed to continue on with *6 out of 6 of the worst & most important stats/attributes.*

[@stellviahohenheim]

I'm glad they can't hurt anyone else