Pimp my Rise - 3 month 160/160mm Mullet Orbea Rise Review

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Looks great, I’m interested in doing something similar!

[@Daffy0208]

Yip ... keen to see how this goes. My short legs will be thankful! 😁

[@gregknight7601]

If only Orbea sold the bike like this. It seems you built the perfect bike my friend, nice job! 👍🏻

[@albertfranqui3598]

Models are all sold next delivery 08/2022 :(

[@MattSB2588]

Second this. Just hope the frame is okay to cope with the additional travel and geo?

[@UncleTonyL]

I made the same changes as you on my rise and I’m very pleased wiTh the results. Thanks for all the videos.

[@mtbmike9866]

I forgot to mention I had to shorten the chain by a couple links due to the shortened chainstay length. Shift to your 10t and it is very loose and touches. Bike is a bit quieter after this fix

[@marksmith2975]

@@mtbmike9866 hey. I really love what you have done..! How successful were you at downgrading the firmware and setting up STUnlocker? Any tips? I want to do the same as you but obviously need to program reduced wheel size

[@mtbmike9866]

@@marksmith2975 very successful on 5-6 Rises. U need an android device

[@marksmith2975]

@@mtbmike9866 can you direct me to any links to spell it out for me? How to go about it blow by blow? I really don't want to cock it up with a silly mistake..

[@mtbmike9866]

@@marksmith2975don’t do it then. You don’t need it

[@shingnosis]

Very impressive bike and mods. Probably one of the best eMTB's rolling inside of the USA at the moment.

[@ZippidyMTB]

Great info and without the "paid for" feeling of most reviews

[@jailbreakoverlander]

Nice job brother, subbed I started doing ebike reviews not a lot but a few. more coming.

[@paulmaag6958]

Great job! My Orbea Rise is amazing. I can't stop riding it ( I have a shop full of bikes)! I'm waiting for my range extender too. I might toy with raising the fork length to 160 on my Fox 36.

[@Patricks_Welt]

Thank you soooo much for letting me know which frame bag fits to this frame. I have an Occam and was searching for quite some time. :) Already ordered it. btw. nice bike and awesome upgrades. Cheers from Germany

[@InfectAion]

I think the black taping around the bottom bracket motor area makes it look even bigger down there...

[@deeplato5647]

great info.. OK.... looking forward to the range extender.. OK... cool updates and mods... OK :-)

[@albertorreyes]

Yes, you have built the perfect bike. Congrats my friend

[@aaronpateman6227]

This will be exactly what I’ll do when I get my Rise except I’ll keep it a full 29ner. Sick build bro!!!

[@mtbmike9866]

For full 29er setup, I would suggest 2 offset bushings for the 8.5x2.5 shock and a 170 air spring for the Fox36 to get the HT angle at 64.5. With a 160 fork, your at 65.0

[@TheBarnylondon]

Great 3 month review ,,,, i have the same bike .... done a few mods but not mullet yet ..... having had a mulleted levo which i loved . However still finding this brillint in the 29er setup ..... so qick on twisty singletrack .... cheers

[@da12641]

sik mod. Awesome to hear that the HA is a bit more slack

[@gearhigher2027]

Well done. I happen to have the same bike on order, the 2025 RISE SL, on order. What EVOL frame bag is that? Thanks.

[@408MTB]

Can you make a video detailing installation of offset bushings. Primarily orientation?

[@8746nando]

Perfect mod! What is the bag that you have installed? I like how it fits. Thanks

[@calebpolley151]

Great vid! What frame bag do you have?

[@Arkane117]

I absolutely love your build! Do you know how much the bike weighs?

[@marknieuwejaar1075]

what i would give to watch a comparison between a 2022 Scott Patron e-bike & this bike... i think this bike will win. ..can you hook us up ?

[@JEFFREYSOLORIO]

Super sweet bike 🤟

[@colingardiner5349]

Great job Mike. Love the mods. I’ve done 1,100km with 36,000m ascent so far on my M10 and it’s been great. Only changes I’ve made are 160mm air shaft and Cuschcore Pro rear, XC front. I ride really rough rocky rooty trails here in Scotland and bike handles it all. Just got my range extender last week and used it for big day out. Completely destroyed my mates on full fats. Only issue I’ve had is had to replace main pivot bearings as ridden hard in a lot of mud. My LBS I bought it from did it for free but was a real pain as the rear brake and speed sensor cable housing interferes with bearing removal. Not the best design.

[@mtbmike9866]

Wow, I’ve only washed my bike once as it hasn’t rained in 3 months. I just wipe off the dust with a towel. Pivots are silent with zero play or issues

[@WiredRight1]

@@mtbmike9866 Like your bike. Just picked up a Rise this past weekend. What frame bag are you running can you share a link also. Thanks

[@mtbmike9866]

@@WiredRight1 www.backcountry.com/evoc-multi-frame-pack

[@marknieuwejaar1075]

I have XC 32 100mm Rockshox on my 2014 Trek g2 xcal 8 & they hold up fine on brutal drops...locked out...lol...

[@lostmorex4746]

Great! Have you product data for the small triangle bag in the frame? Looking forward to update my Rise...

[@mtbmike9866]

Evoc Small frame bag, $45 www.backcountry.com/evoc-multi-frame-pack

[@carlsmtb3171]

@@mtbmike9866 what do you keep in there? 😃 I’m always of the mind of sticking the weight on the rider so that the bike is more poppy/easier to shift off the ground

[@matthewlazanich2790]

Was the 5900 feet in eco mode or boost? If a light Emtb can really get that kind of elevation gain, why get a 50 lb with 700 W battery? Love the build.

[@teabagNBG]

aweseome build!!! i got me a rise m20 two weeks ago... i want to do this... the bike is a lil bit too big for me if the bb is a inch lower it would work perfect... i need to look into it.... i dont want to spend too much... can i keep my normal fork and rear shock? or do have to change them?

[@mtbmike9866]

If you put a 27.5” wheel out back, it may drop your bottom bracket to where you may pedal strike a lot. 150mm-155mm cranks may help. You can also try putting a 27.5x2.6” rear tire out back so it won’t drop too low

[@dennis8004.]

hi! i m owner of a Orbea Rise M10! Like to upgrade the travel to 160mm/160mm aswell. Is it possible to ride 29" at the rear even if i upgrade to 160mm (216x63 DHX2)? Love your bike!

[@mickm8255]

did you end up running a 29 rear 160? What did you end up doing?

[@jasonw820]

Does it work??

[@steriospeaker]

My dream bike…

[@robmccall5017]

Got my Rise M Team few Weeks ago. Must confirm everything You experienced. My change some of Your parts. So far i have only switched the Rotors plus the Wheels to Race Face Carbon. One interesting Thing: That mini Dongle shows badly the Battery State; i bought the Garmin Watch which shows all the Information about the Battery, just as the Shimano Display, but leaves the Optics nice and clear. Alltogether a brillant bike! mine weights just unter 18 Kilos what i fing amazing! Love my Rise. Ps: Range Extender is waiting for me in the Shop! Finally. Cheers from München Yours is M-Team? Good Video!!

[@mtbmike9866]

I have a Garmin watch I use to see battery percentage. I probably should have mentioned that

[@robmccall5017]

@@mtbmike9866 ah i see. Does it work properly?

[@mtbmike9866]

@@robmccall5017 yes, it’s been flawless so far

[@theedmondsept]

@@mtbmike9866 Which Garmin watch did you buy?

[@mtbmike9866]

@@theedmondsept Garmin forerunner 745. It was discounted $100

[@Mknybel]

I see that in another video you go for 170mm to get it slacker, but eventually even here if you go for both offset bushing you get the same with 160mm.

[@grrlewis1]

Hi Mike. My M10 arrives in October. I’m very interested in copying your mullet conversion. Who manufacturers the offset bushing & where can I get this in the UK? The rest of the conversion seems pretty straight forward & solves the x2 biggest potential issues with this bike - the steep HTA & the short travel rear Great video. Thanks.

[@mtbmike9866]

Offsetbushings.com, based in the UK. 8mm offset bushing on both ends. One 8x15.75 is all you need if you want 64-64.5 HT. If you want to go slacker, you order two but the other one is a different length

[@outdoorotter9319]

Looks almost like a Rallon now! Sick! Did you just put in another Fork or do you need to do something else? I'm thinking of buying it in Xlarge instead of Large, if the reach gets shorter then it would fit well. can you please put a link of the offset bushing you talked about in the description?

[@mtbmike9866]

Currently I have a Fox 36 170mm air spring installed. www.offsetbushings.com/products/offset-bushings-orbea-rise

[@outdoorotter9319]

@@mtbmike9866 Thanks a lot.

[@jasonw820]

Is it stiff with the cs4bon wheels ? The heckler sl is brutal

[@glennolsen7418]

They should offer a frame only kit without rear shock based on your build… I’m share its a blast to ride!

[@mtbmike9866]

Yes they should. But everything on the bike is very close to stock. Just upped the fork for $50, sold stock shock for $450 and installed new shock $700, and a smaller rear wheel. Net cost wasn’t that much if you have some parts lying around or can sell the old parts.

[@YLDCRD]

Hi, what was your spring rate and what were your clicker settings on the shock?

[@faraz2498]

Got the bike, but where can I buy that perfect riding weather? I need some of that

[@smp8154]

Could you please give your heigth in cm? I am ordering a Rise and not sure size. I am 174cm. Love the mullet concept in my case 150/150 and 27.5 rear. Getting maybe half head degree angle. That 's my project! Thanks for great review

[@mtbmike9866]

172cm without shoes on a Medium

[@makoymtb]

Nice bike, how much it costs you in total?😅

[@ribinrobin8925]

Great video Mike, very interesting with the unlock full power. Have you done this yourself? Its a shame warranty restricts this as it would be good to have boost mode or another mode set for riding with your Full power Ebike friends.

[@mtbmike9866]

60Nm with Assist set to 100% is plenty to keep up with full fat. The bike has a greater power to weight and 60Nm feels closer to 70. I’ve tried the bike at 80 and it is ridiculous and feels like 95-100. Smoked a Levo and Rail up on a drag race.

[@andreileonidovich5224]

How about kneespace with shorter reach?

[@rxrotorboy]

Loving the bike Mike! My Rise will apparently be arriving in a week or so... Just looking at getting bigger brakes (front and rear) - what's the largest rotor size that you think will go on the rear? I was hoping to squeeze 220mm on, but I think it might be a little tight.

[@mtbmike9866]

Lots of folks running 200/203 out back. Not sure of anyone running 220. 220 up front is obviously not a problem for a Fox36

[@rxrotorboy]

@@mtbmike9866 Thanks Mike - appreciate you getting back to me 👍

[@finbox1000]

Hey Mike. Great review. wondering if i could get a little advice from you. I currently have a 2020 Merida e onesixty and a Yt Jeffsy. I am seriously considering selling both bikes to get the Rise. I ride my Jeffsy more than the emtb as i am a fit and strong 50 year old. I really enjoy the emtb but i only ever use eco and sometimes trail. I am faster on my normal bike when it comes to climbing than all my buddies. Long story short do you think the rise can replace both my bikes, and be the one that does it all? I have pimped my jeffsy and all my good kit will swap straight over to the Rise also. thanks very much for your time.

[@mtbmike9866]

Definitely a possibility if you don’t ride a lot of Park and your local trails are good with Ebikes. You can ride the Rise with your acoustic riding buddies no problem with the motor off. It seriously climbs that well and handling will feel much closer to the Jeffsey than it would the Merida.

[@hugotribanas]

Hi, don't you find the cranks too low ? Thanks

[@NerdsonDirtMTB]

Heya, I was wondering where you found the setting to change wheel size? I work at a shop and can't find it in the app. Thanks!

[@dft1]

Awesome. question, with this bike, by going mullet, does the extra travel you created raise bike some for the mullet? (I also love mullet, only way to go)

[@mtbmike9866]

BB height is 342mm but since you have more travel, the bike is sagged more so the dynamic BB height ends up being within a couple mm from stock height

[@SGy7202]

Bike looks perfect!! 👌 What is the frame bag that you have as I’m after one for mine? Cheers

[@mtbmike9866]

EVOC small in frame bag

[@sacha1975]

Great video, thaks for sharing. I have also a Rise since January with 3.500km on it. It is just amazing. I would like to extend the travel on it. So I will go for the mullet configuration, a Fox X2 216x63. For the Fox fork have you tried 170mm travel? Thanks and MTB for life.

[@mtbmike9866]

I have tried upping my Fox 36 to 170mm and love it X2 will not fit your frame unless you have an XL size. The big air can hits the frame at full compression on the smaller frame sizes but clears the XL

[@mtbmike9866]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHOnaop4bpZpa5Y

[@sacha1975]

I was just going to buy the Fox X2. My Rise is S size and I weight 130 pounds. I will go for the 170mm travel on the Fox 36 (thanks again for this other video) I have never used before a coil shock, normally I ride 20km on flat until I hit the trails. What shall I go for?. Head tube angle with the 170mm? Thanks again for the great videos and your comments 😀

[@mtbmike9866]

@@sacha1975 Go coil, you will stay away from air after experiencing all the grip and stability it offers. DHX2 with 1 offset bushing. 350lb spring. HT is 63.8 with 2.4/2.4 tires, 63.5 with 2.4/2.5 tires.

[@sacha1975]

I will follow your recommendations. I will go for coil with the specs you suggested. Thanks again for the feedback. Take care and enjoy riding.

[@theedmondsept]

Looks great, I’m getting mine at the end of the June, I ordered it back in February, plus I have everything ready for the mullet setup, because I’ve been riding a regular pedal bike in the Mullet configuration for around 3 years now and I absolutely love it. I have three different 8.5x2.5 shocks available, from a Fox X2, Fox DHX2, and a ROCKSHOX RCT3 My question is about the rear offset bushing, can you please send me the exact dimensions and where I can get it from? I’m in the Glendale/Pasadena area. Thanks again for your information and I’ll send you my mullet setup

[@mtbmike9866]

Offsetbushings.com They sell the top or bottom bushing, just specify your bike and they should have the correct size. Bottom bushing is 15.75x8 and top is 21.84x8. I bought both but only used the 15.75x8 since it’s easier to install and you can reuse the Fox Bushing sleeve. They ship you replacement grey bushing sleeves but they are harder to press in. I went ahead and added this information on the description

[@theedmondsept]

@@mtbmike9866 thanks I appreciate it, and when I get my bike all setup, I’ll post it

[@vmurdica]

Mike. Great mod. Did you have the factory customize it for you or shop or DIY?

[@mtbmike9866]

DIY

[@Mr00andy]

Does this conversion work with the frame size S ? Is there enough space?

[@Trailjunkie62]

Well done on the review! What an awesome setup bike looks amazing! I currently own an evil wreckoning and a s-works first gen turbo levo love both of them but am thinking of selling both and doing a setup just like yours having just one bike that bridges that gap. Don't really need all the battery on my levo as my rides are not all day sessions but want to stay with the e-bike setup and the rise looks like the answer....your thoughts would be great. Thanks and a well earned sub

[@mtbmike9866]

Currently I have 3 bikes (hardtail, Norco range, and rise). Honestly all I need is the Rise. Can ride with the motor off with acoustic buddies, can ride Solo and do 3000’ in 1 hour, or use little power and do 6000’. I have the range extender and have done 8300’ on one of my rides. Crazy…

[@dft1]

@@mtbmike9866 question about range extender, Can you still tell battery life accurately using the range extender?Thanks

[@cycledieradexperten2343]

How did you change the Wheel size in the motor Software? What tune did you choose in the real Shock?

[@mtbsnow964]

Awesome bike Mike! How tall are you? I am 1.65m (5ft5), and I think I am on the edge of a small and medium, but with your comments regarding to get a shorter reach I am thinking about maybe getting a small! Thanks in advance!

[@mtbmike9866]

5’8 but with long arms and legs. After slackening it, reach went from 450mm to about 430mm. Ended up getting rid of the Medium frame and swapping with a Large frame where the Reach ended up reducing to 455 or so. I have 2 friends at 5’5” and both on Medium

[@okwakeboarder]

Great video, I am looking to do the same thing, my Rise in one the way. Looking at the manual it shows that the stock rear shock has the same offset bushings you list in this video's description. So for my coil install should I use a non offset bushing for the front mount of the rear shock instead of the stock offset bushing? Thanks

[@mtbmike9866]

The bushings must match to fit the shock to the frame. Stock bushing is drilled in the center. Offset bushing is drilled 2mm offset from center. Both are 15.7x8 I believe

[@okwakeboarder]

@@mtbmike9866 thanks, I understand now.

[@LifestyleByDesign_]

Hey Mike very informative video! Question…… if I mullet with 216x63 coil do I still need to run a offset bushing?

[@ivangontyurev2212]

Hello Mike. Thank you very much for your review. As I understand, the reason to use offset bushings is to have more slack geometry. What do you think about configuration 160/150 mullet? For this configuration shock size will be the same? What maximum shock size is possible to use in this frame? I not a big fan of offset bushings, but with a height 5’5” it’s really annoying to have 29 wheel in back.

[@mtbmike9866]

You need a 216x8.5 shock and may get away without an offset bushing but your rear linkage could make contact. Offset bushing eliminates this possibility. My 8.5x2.5 DHX2 had plenty of room but my 8.5x2.5 DPX2 was too tight. Depends on the shock tolerance and they all differ slightly. With this shock, your rear end will be 160mm. You have no choice. So you will need to buy a 160 or 170 air spring for about $50 to upgrade your fork

[@Flex-Jitsu]

Sweet build! Does the battery extender still fit with the coil shock?

[@mtbmike9866]

Yup

[@davidhermel326]

Do you only have the lower offset bushing installed ? Thank you im doin the same on my bike

[@bansheeparadox2678]

Kindly explain those numbers on offset bushing i dont understnd, and if you order at offsett website do i need to just put in the shock model and bike frame model and they will send the correct bushing?

[@Fuses1]

Hi Mike, I think you have made the perfect bike. I'm looking at the 2022 H15/30 as it is alloy and has the new 21700 cells 540w. Do you think it will mod up the same? Thanks

[@mtbmike9866]

It should yes

[@Take2wheels]

Great job giving out the details on these bikes. I am looking at the 2022 Rise Hydros. I am 6'1.5" with 35" inseams, so I'm XL in Orbea sizing guide. Curious if MTB mike or anyone thinks I'd be better off with a Large for some of the reasons mentioned in the video?

[@mtbmike9866]

At your height, get a XL. If you do decide to mullet, you’ll lose 15mm or so of reach as the bike will be slackened out nearly 2 degrees

[@Take2wheels]

@@mtbmike9866 thanks!

[@mackers1510]

Hey Mike - Apparently the fox coil or in fact any coil has a high chance of snapping when used in 216x63 with the orbea shock extension ? Have you heard this have you had any issues ?

[@EndoMTB]

I rode a 2020 Spec enduro for almost seasons. That’s been my favorite bike up to this point. How does this bike compare to that on the downs? I I just sold my enduro and my next bike will be an ebike. Just trying to figure out which one to get in summer 2022. Thanks!

[@reqon9993]

can i make the rear travel of my occum 160 aswell?

[@1spiders1]

Why did you go 170 front?

[@86309]

Can you please list shock dimensions in mm, and the offset bushing , where did you get it? Where did you spec the shock hardware? Fork offset? 44 or 51? Thanks! Any tire fitting issues in the rear on the chainstay based on the shorter 27.5 wheel?

[@dft1]

I remember on video on doing joplin you said you might sell your range extender. still keeping it?

[@mtbmike9866]

I ended up with 2 extenders. Did 50mi, 10,600’ with it. It was a bit too much!!! I plan on selling both however since I’m getting a Pole Voima Ebike and I’m honestly not a huge fan of such a long ride. Anything over 5K’ is enough for me

[@dft1]

@@mtbmike9866 I'll buy one of yours if you are selling. I'm local, could pickup, Thanks

[@dft1]

@@mtbmike9866 I'd still buy one of yours used if interested in selling. Thanks.

[@johnfink5699]

Great video! I have a question about the mullet conversion: with the lower rear axle did you notice the reduction in antisquat going uphill with excessive bobbing? Thanks!

[@mtbmike9866]

My concern was too high anti squat as most curves start off higher and drop off as you go through the travel. By the axle path beginning even earlier, anti squat at sag is even higher which is not good regarding suspension performance. Thankfully Orbea must have given the Rise less anti squat than it’s cousin the Occam and it seems to be a good balance between little to no bob and shock sensitivity

[@Gismo-pt8lr]

Nice config, I have too much pedal strike on my rise m10, i think I'll go for 150mm cranks. Which is your satchel? It fits perfectly, I need one!

[@Sunsh1ne532]

Did you ever find out what satchel that is?

[@jack91522]

Any regrets or lessons learned with any of your mods so far?

[@mtbmike9866]

Yea, the bike in 29er is really good as well. Slightly less playful but feels like you got 5-10mm more suspension out back. Currently have 170 up front, 160mm out back in 29er. 64.4 deg HT angle and higher 345-347mm BB but once saged, it’s within 2-3mm of stock since you are at 30% of 162mm vs 30% of 140mm. I think 63.0-64.5 is the sweet spot for head tube angle for more aggressive riding

[@daneclay8763]

Offset bushing 8mm x 22mm correct?

[@xav_1029]

What type of headset does it use? You could get the reach and BB back in check by using an angle set. -1 or -2 with a 10-20mm longer fork basically offset each other.

[@mtbmike9866]

Doesn’t that steepen the head angle? I like it at 64 degrees. What I’ve done is lower the stem and longer stem to offset the shorter reach and seems to be fine.

[@xav_1029]

@@mtbmike9866 I ran the numbers in a calculator with a 9point8 -1.5 angle set and 160mm fork (standard shock): 63.5 HTA, -8mm reach, +2.5mm stack, -0.5 STA, -2mm ETT, +4mm BB vs no angle set: 64.5 HTA, -9.25mm reach, +7mm stack, -0.8 STA, -2mm ETT, +6.5mm BB So by using an angle set to slacken the HTA and putting a longer fork, you keep the geo more in check and basically just change the HTA

[@alexgonzalez6202]

Think You said it somewhere but figure out where. can I fit a dpx2 160 travel on my large rise? TIA!

[@mtbmike9866]

Yes, 2 offset bushings for 29er rear or 0-1 for Mullet

[@craigwaterworth9123]

Hi Mike , noticed your display is on the bars . Have you changed this ?

[@mtbmike9866]

Just relocated it down there. No other changes

[@costman71]

Great video! One question about the size: how tall are you ? I am 5ft9 1/2 and I am wondering if i should get a medium or a large..

[@mtbmike9866]

I’m 5’8” with long arms (6’1” wingspan) and legs (32” inseam) so a Large would fit me as well. If you have shorter legs and arms a medium works and is more playful and maneuverable but definitely less stable when your going fast. When you mullet you lose reach so I do think a Large would suit me well.

[@SGy7202]

Where can I get the frame bag? I so need this as my setup is a little bulkier atm

[@aresalomonsen967]

Hey. Is it possible to convert to mullet without changing the rear travel? Or potientally change the rear travel to 150mm? What shock length do I have to use then? Nevertheless I’m mounting a 160mm fork.

[@TrailsnGravel]

what is that small frame bag you are using? where to get one?

[@LifestyleByDesign_]

I wonder if you can just buy the cheapest model and upgrade the whole bike since they do not sell frame only. Are all the Rise frames the same?

[@mtbmike9866]

That is the best strategy IMO

[@christopherhan1248]

Hi Mike, Sorry if this is redundant, but I did not see on the comments. You have a 8.5x25. coil but using a 67mm spring instead of a 61mm spring. Is there a reason for that? I bought a 425x67 spring and it seems to buck me a little. I weigh 165 lbs with all my gear. Thanks!

[@mtbmike9866]

You may need a 450 or 475 spring and add some compression to the shock. I am 150 and running a 400 but just moved to a 425 since I’ve been jumping more lately. A 425x67 should never cause the spring to Bind on a 63mm stroke shock

[@somanysevens]

Have you heard of anybody being able to install a float x2 on a M Orbea rise ?

[@mtbmike9866]

It rubs, don’t do it

[@rjanvassbotn3522]

My Orbea with ordinary EP8 motor ​@​

[@jorgecanan5444]

can youprovide the direct link to where you purchased the 8x15.75mm offset bushing? Thank you!

[@mtbmike9866]

offsetbushings.com. I think other companies offer them also but you just state it is for a Rise and they know the exact size to send you.

[@jorgecanan5444]

@@mtbmike9866 Thank you!

[@denis-schumacher]

Hi Mike. I got my Orbea Rise today and would like to change the Shock also to DHX2. Can you tell me what exactly I need everything for this? One bushing ore two bushing? For the bottom and for the too? Have you also changed the rubber? Because the oiginal black and yours is slightly red? Thank you very much in advance! -Denis

[@mtbmike9866]

8.5x2.5 shock for a 160mm rear end. 1 offset bushing 15.75x8mm 1 27.5” wheel and tire Remove 2 links off your chain as mulleting shortens your chainstay a tad. I Did not change the bottomout bumper on the shock.

[@denis-schumacher]

@@mtbmike9866 Thanks! 😎👍🏼 The offset bushing is for below?

[@mtbmike9866]

@@denis-schumacher That size is for below. It’s easier to work with than the top one. You can reuse the Fox DU bushings so no tools needed.

[@santiagocrespomalo4541]

Could you tell me how did you fit the speed sensor on the 203 xtr disc because the original doesn’t fit

[@mtbmike9866]

Shimano sells one with a magnet integrated

[@evan9r]

Do you think a 27.5x2.8 would fit?

[@mtbmike9866]

I’m pretty sure it will. At least an inch on each side of my 2.4’s.

[@stevedzurilla2436]

One further question regarding 2 offset bushings with 29er- 8.5 x 2.5 . Both bushings installed to shorted each end (eye holes facing each end of shock)? I currently run a Lyrik at 160mm. This will roughly make the rear travel around 155mm? Thanks Mike.

[@mtbmike9866]

No, offset bushings change eye to eye of the shock which affects Geometry only. Shock stroke defines travel. 55 = 140mm of travel, 60 = 154mm, 63 = 162mm

[@stevedzurilla2436]

@@mtbmike9866 Got it. So just follow what's on offsetBushing.com and run the both eyelets facing (each other) middle of the shock? Also with the mullet set up like you run and 1 rear bushing. Have the rear bushing facing the middle of the shock also?

[@mtbmike9866]

@@stevedzurilla2436 run 0-2 offset bushings depending on the Geo you want. 63.5-64.0-64.5 depending on how many you chose. Yes run it just as you’ve described

[@Gufolicious]

How did you get 160mm travel off of the 150 fox?

[@mtbmike9866]

$50 and 30minutes to install www.backcountry.com/fox-racing-shox-air-shaft

[@dft1]

is it true you said the bigger fox air shock (float x2) doesn't fit? Thanks. Wonder if super delux might fit?

[@mtbmike9866]

X2 fits XL frame. L may rub a bit SuperDeluxe will fit but not with a Megneg

[@spookyspxxky9413]

Great video. Would this work with a 7.875 x 2.25 shock? Would I require offset bushings? Thanks

[@mtbmike9866]

Absolutely not. You need a longer eye to eye, not a shorter eye to eye and add offset bushings to make it even shorter

[@spookyspxxky9413]

@@mtbmike9866 Do you mean add offset bushes to make it even LONGER? If I wanted 150 front and rear what shock length would I require? Thanks

[@mtbmike9866]

@@spookyspxxky9413 offset bushings are designed to reduce the eye to eye length of a shock. If you want to a 150mm rear end on a 29er, go with a 210x60 shock. Actually gets you about 153mm. If you want to run a mullet, you have no choice but to run a 216x63 shock with 1 offset bushing which turns this shock into a 214x63 shock and the 63mm gets you about 160mm of rear travel

[@spookyspxxky9413]

@@mtbmike9866 Thanks for that info... I actually did some reading after your first reply and then realised that offsets only shorten a shock. I'm not bothered about the mullet, just want to replace the std forks with my 150 factory forks and not throw out the rest of the bike, so your 210 x 60 may solve that. 👍

[@damianpollok2342]

@@mtbmike9866 hmm if I get it right for a mullet you need eye to eye 214 length. So i could run a mullet with 140mm real travel using 210x55 Standard shock with 2 offset bushing mountend to lenghten the eye to eye, right? Means I could try mullet or full 29" without buying a new shock? I'd love to try a mullet, but I also would like to stick to the 150/140 mm travel setup

[@iLuveKatsup]

Curious, what if you made the same changes but kept the 29" rear (not a mullet)? How would that affect the HTA and reach?

[@mtbmike9866]

I’m going to do that soon Will use 2 offset bushings and have a 170mm Fork on it now so HT Should be around 64 Deg and BB a bit higher at 345mm which is great for a 160/170 travel bike

[@iLuveKatsup]

@@mtbmike9866 Thanks! Look forward to the update. I will try out the offset bushings with the standard 140mm Float X. I'm running a 160mm Grip 2 fork with it.

[@Shakshuka69]

Someone should make an EMTB with an even smaller battery and KERS system that will recharge the battery on the descents

[@jrodgersinsf]

Hi Mike, Do you know the implications of running this setup but with 27.5” wheels front and back?

[@mtbmike9866]

Should be fine to Run a 170-180 27.5 front wheel but try to use a 42-44mm offset

[@ryankeenan6732]

Hey I’m looking to do the the same setup as you have, would you go with a 51mm offset 160mm fork or or the 44mm?

[@mtbmike9866]

44 offset is pretty much the new standard. 51 works also and you will get used to whichever fork you get

[@seyirlikolay]

Hi Mike I am planning to order an H30 Orbea rise and I want to make a mullet conversion and parts with it at once. I'm 165 cm tall and 65 kilos and I will order a Medium size. The head angle I'm trying to find is nothing lower from 64,5 to 65 degrees at most. Considering this, what fork and shock combinations would you suggest me to put into the basket and order at once?? Thanx in advance, cheers...

[@mtbmike9866]

160 fork and 8.5x2.5 shock with possibly no offset bushings needed or perhaps 1 offset bushing. Order 1 just to be safe

[@seyirlikolay]

@@mtbmike9866 thanx! and what sizes you reccomend for bushings ??

[@mtbmike9866]

@@seyirlikolay offsetbushings.com and select the Bike

[@seyirlikolay]

@@mtbmike9866 Hİ again...things have changed...I will get a Small size rise and want to convert it to a mullet without dramatically changing the BB height. Considering the dimensions of Small size frame; without changing the stock 140 mm shock and only adding an offset bushing(or two?) do you think my BB height would change dramatically?

[@CaviDS]

any idea if Orbea will still warrenty the frame with the longer shock and the coil?

[@mtbmike9866]

Even replacing the shock with the same size will void warranty since Orbea never tested a DVO or RS or whatever u decide to use. That’s why u have to test it yourself to confirm.

[@mrcslzn]

Hi Mike, I have a L frame and wanna put on the new Float X2. Is it possibile with offset bushing or not? Thanks

[@mtbmike9866]

Not sure about the X2. On an XL, then its fine. On a Large, some say its fine while others say it could rub slightly. Offeset bushings won't affect this but the Air can's outer diameter will

[@mrcslzn]

@@mtbmike9866 Thanks Mike!

[@TractionWealthManagement]

Do you think a fox 38 160mm would be over kill?

[@mtbmike9866]

Yes if you are a lighter weight rider. If you are heavier than average and like to go fast and jump, 38 is a good idea.

[@fredericdemontaigu8408]

Hi What size is the EVOC frame bike you are using? 0,7L or 1L? Thanks in advance

[@mtbmike9866]

It’s the smallest available. The link is in one of the comments here

[@mtb2bfree388]

Is the Shimano metal knocking sound while descending others talk about noticeable on your Orbea Rise?

[@mtbmike9866]

It’s noticeable but you get used to it and tune it out. Tire and suspension noises are just as loud or louder.

[@katiedrake7940]

Did the 160 fork make it handle very differently? I'm seriously thinking of putting my Fox 36 9n mine

[@mtbmike9866]

160 felt good with minimal handling change. I uped it to 170mm and it did change the bike. Had to slam the stem to get back the handling. But it’s pretty sweet now at 170mm

[@katiedrake7940]

@@mtbmike9866 Amazing, thank you. I'll definitely give it a go.