The history of Ukraine and the future of the world. Timothy Snyder, Yaroslav Hrytsak, Serhii Plokhii

[@kathrinmuller7890]

Excellent meeting and speakers. I have great respect for Snyder and Plokhy for their knowledge and I learned a lot about Ukrainian history during the last year. I am big supporter of Ukraine, although I have no personal connections to it. I have started studying the language in summer of last year through a language school in Kyiv, through online classes. I do it also out of resistance and respect for Ukrainian people who are extremely brave. Respect from Germany

[@amandagorter1684]

Is it true Ukraine has never been a country , similar to Taiwan. It's not recognised as a country yet...

[@silviadunderdale9400]

@@amandagorter1684Someone has been fed a lot of Kremlin’s porkies!

[@hycylkaksenja3565]

@@amandagorter1684 Ukraine is independent country.

[@POLMAZURKA]

wolny?

[@amandagorter1684]

@@hycylkaksenja3565 ask professor meirsheimer and Jeffrey sachs. . Incidentally, Sach used to advice the foreign policies of the US govt... n thats NO BS!!!! Not going to wonder who your sources are 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@markgravenor1097]

Excellent speakers 🔊. Thanks very much 🎉

[@ReadMoreHistory-v9u]

Thank you Timothy Snyder for being such a tireless advocate for Ukraine. As an American, I am very grateful for your teachings, your efforts to help Ukraine and to elevate what they are going through. Im just one American but I stand forcefully with Ukraine. 🇺🇦 ❤

[@POLMAZURKA]

so you are now fighting in the uk?

[@francesplude6981]

Lc

[@aidazinnurova5512]

Do you wear vishivankas as well?

[@jasonsmith1155]

Your not a NATO bot.

[@JuliaFF562]

the revelations are real, and the significance of them is so global and overwhelming)))))

[@ceceliablair9177]

I am thrilled to hear of your project! And was inspired by what we heard tonight. We can learn so much from you wonderful historians who are stepping up to help Ukraine in a way that is just as committed and heroic as the world really needs now. Thank you! We need to hear more about what each of you already knows and what you will soon be learning from these 100 other colleagues. I hope you will start sharing soon with us!

[@frankshifreen]

great video- great discussion- The best historians currently writing about world history

[@zwie-v6m]

Thank you so much. These discussions are always important and interesting to hear and to think about. This conversations should be a mandatory program for every politician in US and Europe.

[@ztania97]

What a great project! Surprised it hasn't been publicised widely. Looking forward to see the outcome. Snyder is a true ambassador for Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇲👏👏👏

[@ademirrodriguez4209]

Losers surrender now

[@andriiiakymenko3164]

Wow! This is the Holy Trinity of modern Ukrainian history at this very moment!

[@BrendanCoyne]

Really enjoyed this, Serhii I think said the further back you look the better you can navigate the future. Love that.

[@Yasen99]

Is that why some Ukrainian historians have in fact argued that ancient Ukrs (or, perhaps, Ukrans) dug up the entire littoral of what today we know as the Black Sea?

[@cq4fun]

Too bad for you, since further back you go more Russia you find 🤣🤣🤣 it explains why you insist of being NATO/EU, how else can you invent the non-existent without them!

[@jiroolcott9419]

This is Fantastic!!

[@sumiland6445]

💛💙💜💙💛 thank you for posting this livestream!! 🙂👍 🇺🇦 🌏 🇺🇸

[@Mariupol_is_Ukraine]

Always love to hear Yaroslavl speak. Great input! Thank you very much!

[@catnap387]

So exciting and very pleased to know that progress is happening. Love Ukraine 💙💛

[@vitoroliveirajorge368]

wonderful meeting. Great speakers!

[@austinharris5346]

This is brilliant and wonderful; I particularly like Professor Hrystak's notion of the "Revolution vs Counterrevolution World Championship". I think that's a better way of expressing the "New Cold War" dynamic we see today. And I also very much agree with his claim that this all ultimately very tragic.

[@rnordtrans]

Timothy Snyder rocks! His knowledge of Ukrainian history is impressive, and he knows how to communicate.

[@roseblue3368]

Totaly agree

[@samsungtap4183]

Read his book "Bloodlands" where he sings a different tale about this region. I find it almost unbelievable that mr Snyder would back the fascists and can't make the obviouse link between the currant Kiev regime and the Bolshevics of 1917 ?

[@DaniRaj666]

@@samsungtap4183 Kyiv regime is democratic. Fascists are in Kreml with their deranged dictator and imperialist insanity. Love Snyder. very eloquent and knowledgeable.

[@VikyM-e5w]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂​@@DaniRaj666

[@mianilsson3550]

@@samsungtap4183you are real putin’s killer adept! Let Ukrainian people be free from your Russian opinion!!! Let them to be free from Russians aggression!!

[@jljones6343]

"The way to dignity is to know the facts." Yes.

[@petermallm149]

Brilliant format and very interesting to listen to these experts. Comes it to the answer to the question :'What is wrong with Russia ?' I think Timothy Snyder knows the answer, he even mentioned it with a single word - but as a guy from Kasastan said to me when I saked him about what I had found out, his immediate answer of they very kompetent person was : 'I don't talk about that !!' .And to add to that: No is not what You think initially but close!

[@majkaduczko2572]

Mr Yaroslav Hritsak - the life is tragic BECAUSE it's SO MUCH BEAUTY that gets destroyed by mostly unhappy, aggressive men NOT capable to perseve this beauty around them.

[@cq4fun]

You must be talking about the Western world and their proxy Ukraine, after all, they are attempting to erase everything Russian to invent and legitimize this monstrosity!

[@talesofcanterbury42]

Amazing panel. Thank you for sharing.

[@mashakolotova]

Such an interesting conversation and combination of perspectives, I learned a lot! Thank you!

[@kevincosta4620]

Excellent panel!

[@SigMaQuint]

Really worthwhile. May you succeed! This is in fact very interesting. Just the sense that there is something there, can draw someone to higher education in order to learn more. The excited people at the museums of Odesa, when Ukraine had the promises of the Budapest memorandum to guarantee their peace. There is so much to dig into. Thanks for doing this.

[@achenarmyst2156]

I was astonished that Yaroslav mentioned Tim’s 2017 Berlin talk about Germany’s historical responsibility for Ukraine. This was indeed brilliant and introduced me to Tim’s work. Check it out, it’s on YT. (edited)

[@iyasvami]

That was a 2017 lecture on German Historical Responsibility for Ukraine.

[@achenarmyst2156]

@@iyasvami Correct! Edited! 🙏

[@worldsubtitled6128]

Just a small addition: Unlike Poland in 1939 Ukraine has a friendly neighbour (Poland) that makes all weapon and supply deliveries possible. In 1939 Poland has no such neighbour and was attacked from west and north (Germany), east (Soviet Union) and south (Slovakia). This should be mentioned while comparing Ukraine 2022 with Poland 1939.

[@nawgra8455]

Good point!

[@silviadunderdale9400]

Why dig all the negatives and horrors from the past??? Surely it won’t help the present or future relationship and progress!

[@nawgra8455]

@@silviadunderdale9400 Beacouse for some nations its a huge trauma until this day. Nations which werent voliated dont understand it.

[@13137713]

You're completely on point, Poland was in great peril in 1939, hopeless, betrayed by everyone. yet they were fighting with the last means they got, freedom or death.

[@gordondavies7773]

2 points on Poland: - the Polish kept fighting even when Poland no longer existed. For instance, Polish fighter pilots were a key part of the multinational force, RAF Fighter Command, that won the Battle of Britain - before 1939 the distinctly anti-semitic Polish government was training and arming Jewish Poles to fight in Palestine. The project was to move Polish Jews from Poland to Palestine. History is rarely black or white. It is often fifty shades of grey.

[@Muiris68]

Excellent speakers!

[@Kosta94tor]

Thank you for that approach to keep us to understand why is history very tragic and helpful for the future globaly.Thank so much for Masters historians .

[@randr302]

Professor Timothy Snyder, what a true warrior for Ukraine!!

[@azamatbagatov7161]

Exactly. Nothing to do with facts or history. He's a narcissistic hack.

[@gheiberg59]

Great discussion! I look forward to hearing more from this project.

[@andriiomelianenko8282]

Great panel! Thanks for it!

[@mollythefatcat956]

Slava Ukraini. ❤❤❤❤

[@mariasurnyk]

Amazing speakers, so insightful! 💙💛🙌🏻 Thank you. Слава Україні 🙏🏼

[@seanmellows1348]

“I hate history!” Indeed, anyone who loves history feels this. Great discussion, thanks.

[@magpiegirl3783]

Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I've tried to learn more about Ukraine's history, which has led to history relating to Europe and Scandanavia. All the atrocities ... all the conquests, loss of life, loss of language and culture, wars, famines ... it's just an unhappy mess, but it has made me realise why there is so much strife and bitterness between European countries. Every country can claim that they have suffered. At the moment we see Ukraine's suffering and I'm angry and sad that Russia brought this back to the continent on such a scale. I'm not sure the general population in the US and places like Australia, fully appreciate the implications of this given they have not been invaded. More interestingly, I don't understand why more Americans do not appreciate Ukraine's struggle to be free of an imperialist Russia when they fought their own war of independence from Britain. Of course, the native inhabitants of the US and Australia had their lands stolen and were treated terribly. Yes ... there's a lot to hate about history.

[@tindomiel10]

I am looking forward to this great book! #StandWithUkraine #ArmUkraineNow to #StopRussianImperialism

[@martavdz4972]

46:00 Snyder just won my undying respect. THIS is how you know someone is a good person. THIS is how you fight BS. By creating something beautiful. Evil runs on adrenalin a lot, and people don´t have the ability to run on adrenalin 24/7 for 50 years. Create something fun and beautiful, be happy about it, and it will attract people eventually when they get tired of adrenalin.

[@johncromwell2529]

Yes please more of these🙏👏

[@free2dialogue]

Dignity comes with accepting certain uncomfortable facts in relationship to other nations or, in general, other people. Going beyond the scared narcissistic tendencies of the self, moving into the reality of interdependence. It's possible, it's beautiful, I like it.

[@cq4fun]

Dignity does not come from negating actual history and falsifying new!

[@carolwilliams8511]

Only just found this channel and am well impressed with the discussions I have listened to today. Thank you! 😊

[@medeology4660]

This was too short. Could someone please get them to talk for at least three hours? Or five. They could do shifts and go on for a full day, maybe?

[@roseblue3368]

Wonder trio❤

[@georgine321]

Three of my favourite historians. And what an amazing project. Ms Gumeniuk moderated the discussion very well. The Reckoning Project also deserves much respect for the work they do.

[@macopec]

Great debate. Thank you.

[@oksanaostrovsky9153]

Щиро дякуємо за вашу працю! Низький уклін!

[@SPAWN30670]

Timothy Snyder comparing Poland's situation in 1939 to the current situation in Ukraine. He forgot to mention that Poland was not helped by ANYONE. There were not 60 States that sent arms, ammunition, money like today. There was no neighbour for Poland who allowed 8 million refugees to pass through and welcomed 800,000 of them into their own homes. Ukraine was invaded by some 170,000 Russian "soldiers" In 1939, Germany launched an unprovoked attack at dawn on 1 September 1939 with a strike force of more than 2,000 tanks, supported by almost 900 bombers and more than 400 fighter planes. In total, Germany deployed 60 divisions and almost 1.5 million men. Almost 10 times as many as for the Ukraine. Two weeks later. On 17 September, the Red Army struck Poland along the entire length of the eastern border of the Second Republic (more than 1,400 km). With a force of 800,000. In total, Poland clashed with 2,500,000 invaders, the two largest military powers in the world.

[@magpiegirl3783]

I think Snyder made the reference only to point out the relativity between 1939 events and 2022 events; Poland did not have military success and thus the ensuing shocking invasions and butchery by Germany and the Soviets and expansion of the war, but Ukraine has been managing to stave off (maybe the inevitable) occupation by Russia. He is an historian very well versed in the entire history of the region and is not dismissing Poland as weak or irrelevant, or Ukraine superior. I've certainly listened to his lectures which involve the plight of Poland in WW2.

[@SPAWN30670]

@@magpiegirl3783 Could you provide links or titles to these lectures? Thanks :)

[@magpiegirl3783]

@@SPAWN30670 😀 if you google Timothy Snyder, you will find plenty of interviews, but he did a series of lectures (I think it was 23 of them 2 years ago) about the whole history of Ukraine, Russia, Poland etc titled The Making of Modern Ukraine, through Yale University online. Free to view. Goes right to the very early history of the region.

[@magpiegirl3783]

@@SPAWN30670If you google Timothy Snyder, you’ll find lots of interviews, but his Yale University online lectures on The Making of Modern Ukraine goes into the whole history of the region including a lot about Poland.

[@skippy9659]

@@SPAWN30670no.

[@JuliaFF562]

The Dnieper River was known to the ancient Greeks as the "Borysthenes." As to Kyiv, Herodotus referred to a city called "Gelonus" or "Helonus," which he described as being located in Scythia near the river "Borysthenes.So Viking history took place after Kyiv was a big city for many centuries

[@tayloryoung9803]

No , first evidence of City in Kyiv is in 7-8th century. First mentions are only from in 9-10th. If any city is mentionned in greek sources its not really cities but settlements down the river not all the way there

[@leskuzyk2425]

Back in old country ... my grandfather would start many a story. The Carpathian Mountains, in what is now the far western Ukraine.

[@jel1050]

excellent discussion!!!!!!

[@achenarmyst2156]

6:50 Churchill was Nobel Laureate in literature.

[@christianleblanc2842]

Loved the PIE bits.

[@johncromwell2529]

Thanks folks

[@philiphudson1381]

Good to hear Timothy Snyder announce the project to place Ukraine in global history and supporting the theory that Indo-European (source of the languages of the world spoken today) probably originated in Ukraine and southern Russia.

[@chrisbremner8992]

History is written by the Victor's, these guys better be quick!

[@silviadunderdale9400]

Lol, and you see RuZZia as the victor???

[@gordondavies7773]

So the history of this war will be written in Ukranian not Russian!

[@ah5555]

I am hoping for follow ups on this exciting project.

[@tayloryoung9803]

Im disappointed by the lack of cultural openess of Hrystak . he often opts for a chauvinistic view of his country. Somehow calling histroy of Switzerland boring while priding himself in the supposed centrality of Ukraine in History... This is not a great advertsiement for a researcher it just shows ethno centrism and lack of knowledge about other places without at least using an academic tone ." Boring" is no serious term to describe history in the first place

[@terjeoseberg990]

If we don’t know the history, how will we discover the history?

[@Culturesocialism-cz7jx]

There are many questions we could discuss. Are 1939 and 2022 analogic? I think, yes. Germany started a war against Poland because Poland had refused a compromise about a high way between Germany and Danzig. Poland refused to have an alliance with the USSR, too. .. What about the democracy in Poland (1939) and in Ukraine (2022)? .. Neither were stable democracies but they looked relatively more democratic than their main enemies. .. The main question is moral. Is it worth having a world war again? .. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnqsnoiPp5WCeJYsi=VDhd3u-Dxy-7YKX_

[@olasylvia1]

The moral question is : how can the rest of the world allow the slow motion murder of Ukrainian people ? They did not benefit from those sweet deals with putin that the West has been making, and they are paying the price for that. What you're asking is quite strange -Is IT worth a world war again.What do you mean by IT ? Ukrainian childrens' lives ? Or their parents? War is already happening, and the world is involved, wake up.

[@CantPickTheNameIwant]

​@@olasylvia1when your countrmen produce corruption, steal money and assets from your country, when your teachers and kids preffer alcohol instead of science and knowledge do you ask them and yourself about your responsibility for your country or you prefer sh!ting here and there that all world owes you something?

[@CynthiaBlair]

just wonderful...it will be exciting to see this project as it progresses...great ideas presented here today from excellent speakers- thank you!!

[@wp9860]

How, over the course of the next three years, will you get participation from Russia, its historians, its archives? Can this massively ambitious project be accomplished without factual evidence only found in Russia? How can Russian resources be accessed in a way where they wouldn't be rife with propaganda. Can this project produce an accurate, unbiased history without unbiased historical information from Russia?

[@azamatbagatov7161]

It's not aiming to be unbiased. They're not making a secret or it. Especially with that self-aggrandizing narcissistic hack Tim Snyder driving it.

[@cq4fun]

Don't worry, they are masters in creating falsified information and printing non-existent money 🤑🤣🤣🤣

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

Grande analyse de histoire de Ukraine . Ukraine était très influencé en la chute de union soviétique et elle a essayé indépendance 3 fois

[@brankoprosic5852]

The History of Ukraine will be defined by the future. People have always been struggling to impose their interpretation of chronology and aspects of the past. Modern times brought more complex and sophisticated methods, spontaneous or deliberate, to impact the minds of people and their beliefs about their identity. At the end, people are exactly who they think they are, including ethnicity. Afterward, it is easy to adjust facts to their desired narrative. Ukraine is a perfect example of appropriation of Kievan Rus' history, as a sole heirs, negating that the torch and legal lineage of that state was transferred around, from Novgorod to Moscow.

[@samsungtap4183]

Never ever underestimate the power of human stupidity !

[@DaniRaj666]

You didn't listen what Snyder says. All these transferred lineages are narratives. Muscovy especially was on the fringes of Rus, and claims to be more authentic than the authentic Rus. Which is a rubbish lie.

[@sergeipetrov_rzn]

@@DaniRaj666 how are the Russians any less authentic Rus in comparison to Ukrainians?

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

Ancien Grec et synthiens étaient l’immersion de Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@LobotimirMerkanski]

"Unlike Poland in 1939, Ukraine has done a very good job militarily of defending itself" 😂 I scrubbed my ears in disbelief hearing an Yale Professor of History saying it loud unaware of how aberrant the comparison is.

[@achenarmyst2156]

The comparison is very interesting. The difference is that Ukraine other than Poland in 39 got massive military help from its supporting nations. The similarity is that Ukraine was attacked by an imperialist aggressor who pretended to be forced to protect compatriots but who‘s real motifs are aggressive nationalism, thoughts of Russian supremacy, suppression of non-Russian cultures and last but not least ressource grabbing.

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

Quand j’étais en le niveau huitième mon prof ont enseigné de Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@henriikkak2091]

30:30-32:51

[@playadeoro6806]

I want to stay informed

[@POLMAZURKA]

so wealth, money ,trade...matters...................

[@indigenousnorwegianeuropa4145]

Old school is the new school🫵

[@majkaduczko2572]

Please, find the women historians to work together with - you will find much, much more and see it differantly. See much more of the constructive side. Not just wars and horrors - the tragedy of MEN. MANY MORE POSITIVES

[@Voevod2706]

By their talking points jesus was ukranian, and all mankind comes from ukraine 😂

[@carolwilliams8511]

We all come out of Africa and he didn't say we all come from Ukraine. But omitting Ukraine from the history of civilisation has been a massive error.

[@automaticjoe1]

I didn’t hear any discussion with respect to the Mongol Empire (Golden Horde) and their ~300 yrs of control and influence and that’s really unfortunate since they were the reason for the fall of Kyiv in 1240 and the resulting chaos the inflicted on the old world is one of the biggest events for Ukrainian and Global history. Mongol influence on Islam has also been very understated given the fall of Baghdad in 1258 ended the Islamic Golden Age & put Islam on a vastly different track as it regrouped (relevant to ME issues today). Russians also seem to idolize the Mongol Empire and it’s clear they are the successor “Empire” in thought, word and deeds. Serfdom and Sovietdom until the 1900s in Russia also didn’t help to create a dynamic civil society. I believe these are key connections that keep Russia stuck whereas Ukraine has noticed this and done the exact opposite.

[@pavelvodov1516]

I don't think the point of this introductory was to dive in-depth into any period of Ukrainian history. This was more to explain what they are trying to achieve with this project. If you watch Tim Snyder's lectures (they are available on KZbin) where he walks through Ukraine's history in detail, he goes over the Mongol invasion and the period that follow and all of it's ramifications for the formation of the modern Ukraine and Russia states.

[@Yasen99]

@@pavelvodov1516 Sure. But why Ukraine? Do you think that a global history of Ukraine is somehow richer or more comprehensive than, say, a global history of Albania, Hungary or Kazakhstan? You can even select a micro-region - for instance, of St. Petersburg - and write a global history of the region or even a micro-region. And don’t forget that one can write a global history of Russia as well! All this has egregious political and ideological overtones.

[@Yasen99]

Russians seem to idolize the Mongol Empire? And that’s why for at least two centuries in the Imperial and then Soviet historical canon they’ve used the term “Tatar-Mongol Yoke” to describe the period from roughly mid-13th to mid-15th centuries? True, dissident historians such as Lev Gumilev, attempted to dispute the conventional wisdom of the “yoke” and argued that there was much cooperation between the Mongol upper echelons and Russian feudal elites. But this point of view has always remained rather marginal, which, by the way, has been a bone of contention between Russia and the new nationalists of Central Asia who argue that the history of the Golden Horde has been demonized and distorted because of the European racism and imperialism. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t…

[@Culturesocialism-cz7jx]

Russians of Russia might be analogic to the white protestant Americans of the USA and the Portugals of Brasil. The colony became stronger than the country of the nation that colonised a huge territory. .. As there is no contradiction between England and the USA or between Portugal and Brasil than why is such a contradiction between Ukraine and Russia? .. Probably, because of the new language. The Russian language that developed from the Ukrainian language. .. If Ukraine were simply a Russian speaking country - it could be considered as England for the USA or Portugal for Brasil. .. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3iZhauZa7qShZYsi=cXwJluMbRE09BmiV

[@Culturesocialism-cz7jx]

​@@Yasen99It is just an Ukrainian approache to legitimate Ukrainian nationalism or racism. .. If Moscowia is a successor of the Mongol empire than Ukrainians can be separated from Moscowia (Russia) as the succesors of the European Kievian Rus. .. This approach ignores the Slavic origin of Moscowia. .. Racism of Ukrainians is connected to the Finno-Ugric gens of Russians (Moscowia), too. .. By this Ukrainian racism, Ukrainians are better because they are the cleaner Slavs (than Russians who are mixed with Finno-Ugric and other nations). .. These historians or racists ignore the role of the landshaft in history. .. The landshaft made Russia an empire. Ruled by the same nation as the Ukrainians. .. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3iZhauZa7qShZYsi=cXwJluMbRE09BmiV

[@christopherj.osheav5807]

DATELINE KYIV OBLAST An engaging and wildly informative conversation. Thank you. V/r - IB An American in Ukraine (2019 - Present) UKRAINE : "LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE!" УКРАЇНА: "ЗЕМЛЯ ВІЛЬНИХ ТА ДІМ СМІЛИВИХ" GLORY TO UKRAINE! | GLORY TO THE ARMED FORCES! | TO HEROES GLORY! СЛАВА УКРАЇНІ! | СЛАВА ЗСУ! | ГЕРОЯМ СЛАВА!

[@jasonsmith1155]

It's like a Banderite support-group over there, anybody know what happened to the journalist and American citizen Gonzalo Lira?

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

Hier la tête de OTAN explique pourquoi Amérique doit aider Ukraine La révolution de dignité Euromaidan était très importante

[@martinwinkler5188]

0:00 / 12:49 Raumfahrtnation Ukraine - Zukunft trotz Krieg mit Russland? Video Space new!

[@tatianakharyshmatys8724]

Ви можите хоча б субтитри українською написати ?! Хіба це так важко ?!

[@katerynabodnarchuk]

Ви можете увімкнути їх використовуючи KZbin settings. Українська є у виборі мов. And that’s great! Правда переклад трохи кострубатий :)

[@cq4fun]

​@@katerynabodnarchuktry Russian, at least it would be an original language 😉

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

Yay femmes guerriers ukrainiennes

[@sergeipetrov_rzn]

Украина ровестница древнего Египта и породила Индо-Европейскую семью языков и древних греков ай хорошо

[@pavelvodov1516]

Это как НЕ то что историки имели в виду. Они как раз подчеркнули для таких умников как вы что речь идёт о истории географического места современной Украины, а не современного государства. То что на территории юга современной Украины находилась цивилизация с поселениями, агрикультурой, итд.. во времена древнего Египта, и то что Индо-Европейские языки наверняка произошли от региона юга современной Украины, это довольно популярная и принятая теория среди археологов, лингвистов, и историков.

[@sergeipetrov_rzn]

@@pavelvodov1516только это было сказано настолько не к месту и не в заявленную тему, что ведущая даже испугалась, что над ними смеяться начнут, и только тогда Шнайдер стал делать эту оговорку

[@mepo5673]

OMG Snyder long lost his credibility as a historian. He must have made humongous money selling his reputation.

[@Shalom.Merkava-kr3jg]

Good to read at least one conscious comment.

[@Lombardo.diVino.-sd2iv]

So TS is a propagandist, what's wrong with that?

[@azamatbagatov7161]

Thank you. There are still some sane people left.

[@azamatbagatov7161]

@Feldmano.Obrez.-sd2iv Nothing as a core concept. There's a lot wrong with the fact that he's misrepresenting himself as an objective scholar, however.

[@Lombardo.diVino.-sd2iv]

@@azamatbagatov7161 You are absolutely in the spot here, my friend.

[@16252]

interesting, thanks

[@AntonBabushkinMe]

This is like! 👍

[@SejSadiSagradi]

You guys are lacking a Slavic linguist in this project. The history of Ukraina begins with the morphology of the word U-Kraina. It continues with the study of dialects...

[@gernotplass4872]

The term "Ukraine" itself means "borderland" or "land on the edge" and was initially used to describe the border regions of the Kiev Empire. Here it is acted as if Ukraine were already the trading partner of the Athenian Empire.

[@gordondavies7773]

The southern areas of what is now Ukraine were supplying grain to Athens and other Greek speaking cities from well before we have written records. The Greeks established colonies on the coast, a fact recognised by Catherine the Great when she initiated the Russian colonisation of south-eastern Ukraine.

[@gernotplass4872]

she was not "colonising ukraine" she was fighting the turks. there was no "ukraine" then @@gordondavies7773

[@JudePi-jx7yo]

Do you think he's claiming Athenians traded with Ukrainans? He made clear it's not Ukrainians but the land where these events took place The Term is of course much later though as is the term Russia of course too.

[@gordondavies7773]

@@JudePi-jx7yo The point is that the area on the northern shore of the Black Sea was already an integral part of European civilisation and economy as far back as the emergence of Athens as a major city.

[@gernotplass4872]

@@JudePi-jx7yo No I don´t think he is claiming it openly, but timothy snyder is a very cunning guy and he is implying it to support his thesis.

[@angelaparente4470]

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[@jiroolcott9419]

May I also suggest that you link the information you collect to distributed ledger technology (DLT) in order to ensure your information is assured, transparent and fully auditable. For instance you can create an Oracle of Truth using Non-Fungible Token (NFT) technology 😊

[@drreaganeliedithphd6526]

Crimée Khanate Holodomor et dernier 300 ans de russe comme une agresseur depuis Pierre et Catherine les grandes Origine Kyiv Rus 988 évidemment montrent l’importance de Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@elenal5791]

Really? Adam and Eve were ukranians. How long will we observe this insanity?

[@mariasurnyk]

Єлєна, ідітє дамой в Омск

[@harrypalmer3481]

That was answered, it seems you've misinterpreted.

[@serhiinik7646]

)) раніше це потрібно було робити , але є як є.😊

[@capitaneaz]

Are you people blind,? Russia is winning, can you see? Is like a chess game that you don’t want to lose, but you loses anyway,a blind man can see this reality.

[@peterjensen3559]

but I guess the history is really once to not discuss that because Denmark was the powerhouse of that period where you like it on

[@peterjensen3559]

the badness of recognizing history will be that the ukrainians have to write to rise the red and right flag of the mark the oldest man in the world but they do have that right

[@dakrontu]

Besides Russia's coming hard landing and need to come to terms with its real history, the same also applies in the US. Just as Russia has tried to 'see the light' briefly in the past, only to have its traditional brutality return, so in the US the Civil War was never successful in resolving what has remained a simmering split in the nation, between those looking forward, and those immersed in a religion that is intimately connected with brutality towards non-white people. It would be great if waving a magic wand would enable both distorted histories to be righted and the people to accept the truth and mend their ways and move on. But then we will discover other places needing the same. Israel/Gaza. Haiti. Afghanistan. And so on. Problem after problem. But in the overall scheme of things, Russia is the worst problem to deal with, as it is destabilising the entire world order, not just damaging Ukraine. But it is intimately overlapping with the simmering historical division in the US that Russia has greatly taken advantage of, paralysing the ability of the US to act decisively to help Ukraine, and thereby risking another war spreading throughout Europe. This time, with the Nazi being not Hitler but Putin, and with a destructive power, due to nuclear weapons (which Hitler was prevented from having, including by sabotage of a heavy water plant, footdraggings and defections of scientists, Hitler's prejudice against 'Jewish science', and the shortening of the war by the work of Alan Turing at Bletchley Park).

[@peterjensen3559]

if it wasn't because our king was weak in 1864 the German would have lost and Bismarck would not have been so well preserved

[@sandracawthern327]

How may I track this over 3 years?

[@ИринаКим-ъ5ч]

Davis Robert Jackson Kenneth Garcia Kevin

[@peterjensen3559]

and don't ever call us Viking because we were not likings we were not daims

[@Rob-pq4qr]

Isn’t a bit to grand? Timoty Snider surelly impressive star but for the outline he would need more than 2 ukr historians on the side

[@cliveengel5744]

The Mongol Hordes destroyed the Kievan Rus; they never existed after that; the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth occupied Kyiv and assimilated all the regions west of the Dnipro River. So the Kyivian Rus never survived, nor did Moscovy. The Vikings who came from the North down the Volga, Don, and Dnipro Rivers would have come from areas in present-day Russia, the Nordic States, and the Baltic States. The main goal was to raid and establish trade with the Ottomans. I think these guys are just trying to stretch the History of Ukraine too far; if Ukraine was so important, so incredible, so powerful, and so handsome, why is there no Ukrainian Empire, and why has Ukraine never won a war on its own and why did they not establish an Empire worthy of the attention that these guys are attempting to portray in this series. The simple answer is that they never existed as a Nation until 1922. During the rest of the time, they were just Serfs run by Polish Nobles, and then the Russian Empire ran the region. Everything they have today, Language, Religion, Art, Culture, Industrial capacity, Nuclear Power, Aviation, Mining, Metallurgical, Oil, And Gas came from Poland or Russia. The culture came from Poland and Russia and from Lviv, Lutsk, Stanislav, and Kyiv. In 1935, the Ukraine SSR was coming out of Serfdom, and the Soviets had started implementing massive Industrialization, Rail, Mines, Steel, Power Plants, and Dams. Then, in the 1950s, massive nuclear power plants and aviation factories were built, all using Russian technology. Ukrainians still had the mindset of Agriculture. That is why their GDP declined in the 1990s as the Centralised Soviet system and contracts all dried up, hence the need for the EU. This a question the Los Trio has to ask: if Ukraine was so heroic, so important, so brave, so handsome, so influential, then why could they not defeat the Russian Empire, throw off the yoke of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, and conquer the rest of the Ottoman Empire, march into Hungary, and knock off the Hapsburgs. Then, move Eastwards to conquer Siberia? You will have to ask ChatGBT and may not like the answer. Yes, Elon Musk is to blame for everything!

[@peterjensen3559]

I like the fact that you're talking about the Vikings but the Vikings were not liking they were notes not daines and that's what they were the most powerful people at their time not even the Romans dead walk upon their land

[@chebysh8047]

An exercise in alternative history

[@azamatbagatov7161]

Snyder's bread and butter.

[@catnap387]

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