Pioneer Lotus Field Combo Turn 3 Kill Explained

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[@zenchin5026]

nice demonstration, this helped me to understand the deck

[@MTGDeckmasters]

Glad it helped!

[@user-cp3uw6zi4m]

10:04, when you tap to cycle Vizier, you can tap both lotus land for UUU and BBB, use the UB to cycle (with UU and BB floating). This way you can cast Ultimatum if drawing it. That's the day2 lotus play (day1 counting the floating mana from Strings and Pages)

[@Deddyroze]

So glad im building this deck this is insanely cool:)

[@Run3skj0ld]

Turn two goes on the draw T1: botanical grazer land 5 cards in hand T2: 6 cards Float two mana play Lotus field Cycle three copies of vizier 5 mana 5 cards in hand Play grazer put stage in play, 4 mana 3 cards Play hidden strings 2 cards 2 mana floating, untapped field and stage Copy field, hidden strings, last card pore, draw pore into lier, or more strings and payoff

[@rodrigobarrio5063]

I a player lotus combo, I love this deck and your videos

[@MTGDeckmasters]

Thanks a lot!

[@cuttlefish6839]

Yeah one of my favorite combos decks for sure

[@davidlanda9197]

Wait, and tell me if I'm wrong here, but Ultimatum isn't adding cards to the hand. It's exiling them. Approach of the Second Son has to be played from the hand the second time for its alt win-con effect to go through.

[@Akumatron]

He didn't use ultimatum to get it. He used the 7 cost black tutor that discards you hand and lets you get 3 cards from the deck to play.

[@tonywacholz6279]

You don’t need two grazers for a turn 3 win. Just one. Turn one. Land plus grazer plus another land Turn two. Play lotus and sac two other lands. Turn three. Cycle vizier to get you to 4 mana. Then play stage and use two mana to copy lotus. With the two mana floating, cast strings to untap both lands. Then cast pour over the pages and depending on what you draw, you usually can win from there

[@tonywacholz6279]

Basically what you need to understand is that grazer will typically speed you up one turn. The deck is designed to go off pretty consistently on turn 5, but grazer makes that turn 4. Usually the second grazer isn’t as good as the first because it only benefits you if you have a lot of lands in your hand. But if you have that many lands in hand (5 or more), you probably don’t have enough resources to go off fast. And if you want to go off even faster (turn 4 without grazer or turn 3 with grazer), you either need two strings or strings plus vizier to be able to generate enough mana.

[@under9081]

Have you see Jeskai Emry combo? I think it's a really really fun combo deck for Pioneer and it can win as early as turn two, and it also has infinite combos with infinite loot and mana! it's a really fun deck and with how strong it feels i always wonder why i don't see it more often.

[@MTGDeckmasters]

Yeah it looks very cool. I might try it out

[@bastienclarke1810]

Cool, do you have a deck list?

[@MrCaptnintendo]

Can you post your current up to date list

[@Nboost8]

Just curious, after the ultimatum, if they choose to put back omniscience how does Lier win the game? Thanks!

[@JohnDoe-vm1rr]

With lier. You can use again your hidden strings with floating mana and go back with pages... You'll end with at least 9-10 mana... With that you maybe draw another ultimatum or the omniscience and etc.

[@ronrossman5475]

@@JohnDoe-vm1rr The more important question is how do you win on the spot when you have to use all of your remaining mana and your land drop to cast Lier and have no mana if they put back pages?

[@shrompf]

​@@ronrossman5475 you don't have to use your Mana if they put back pore because you can cast lier for free of of Ultimatum. Then you still have open mana to flashback your hidden strings from graveyard

[@Dusk-MTG]

If the opponent shuffled pore into the deck you would have been stopped. You could have used shimmer of possibility, which would have yielded either fae of wishes, or another possibility or Bala Ged. Needing to take fae of wishes, after casting the first approach you're stuck with omniscience but nothing in hand and lier but 0 mana to flashback.

[@bmxboy845]

You missed a turn two lotus field and stage activation

[@bastienclarke1810]

NICE!!

[@brettk9316]

I had to skip was taking forever he said didn't land drop so he did not win on turn 3? As thespian Stage I think was land drop unless he had way to drop more? Too long for me to watch just at 4:00 he said about land drop so was confused but did say I was skipping!

[@Iceboundjester8]

Do you have the deck list?

[@GodOfWaaar]

How do you win when Lier gets to your hand?

[@caeb-92]

Like this deck but i play baral - wish - valakut awakening and niv mizzet parun, im not using omniscience but im gona try it

[@MTGDeckmasters]

I've seen baral lists, they look interesting

[@ioiodeke]

Cuántas tierras se pueden bajar en el tercer turno?

[@teejaypreete6934]

Turn 2… opponent plays dampening sphere.

[@MrTakeATicket]

he addresses that at the end of the video lol

[@nickolas2300]

Where do I get that playmat?

[@JankyDice96]

Lol, that’s a nice demonstration, but you never cycle visir that way… If you top deck a land you have lost big times…you just got pretty lucky

[@Thiago-wv8ef]

Could you explain better the right way to use the vizier, please? Thank you!

[@JohnDoe-vm1rr]

@@Thiago-wv8ef with only one vizir, you could prefer to wait to have something else in hand to play if the draw is bad. If you just wait for a good top deck, it's a bad move because it's all aboit luck

[@Thiago-wv8ef]

@@JohnDoe-vm1rr thank you!

[@DragonEleven]

This seemed like a bit of a drawn out way to demonstrate the win... after the first Pore, when you drew the Ultimatum, you had UU floating, so could have tapped for BBB and GGG and cast Ultimatum straight away. Also, I don't think I saw Peer into the Abyss in your deck... I find it makes a more consistent target for the Ultimatum than Lier (alongside Omniscience & Pore)... chances are they'll still only give you Omniscience and Pore, but if they don't, or you draw Peer with Omniscience in play, you'll be drawing so many cards you're almost guaranteed to win, whereas Lier is far more reliant on the luck of the draw. There are some situations where Lier is the better option, so you'd still want it in the deck, but most of the time you'd be better off going for Peer... especially when going for a turn 3 win.

[@julianopinheiro9016]

Lier gives more gas with less mana, with peer you just lose to narset

[@DragonEleven]

@@julianopinheiro9016 Firstly, I'm takling about them as targets for Ultimatum, so their mana cost is irrelevant, and the only situation where Lier may give you more gas than Peer would be if you were up against a mill deck and most of your library had already been put into your graveyard. Secondly, unless you already happen to have a way around Narset in your hand or graveyard, Lier is just as vulnerable to Narset as Peer because you would quickly run out of cards to play, likely giving you mana generation with no payoff... so you would be better off targeting neither of them with Ultimatum in that situation. (I happened to run into this problem just the other week in game 2 against mono-blue spirits... I targeted Omniscience, Elder Gargaroth (which I'd sideboarded in) and Behold the Beyond... I think they must have panicked when they saw the Gargaroth, as they gave me Omniscience and Behold, basically handing me the win.)

[@julianopinheiro9016]

@@DragonEleven oh, I see your point! I've tested both versions. I really like Peer, but I can't deny that lier is awesome in the deck too!

[@markryan430]

Does this deck require any strategy or talent as a magic player who is competing against another player? Or is it more like a challenge to yourself to see if you can memorize how to perform it?

[@OfficialPizza]

Replying months late, but: I call this type of deck puzzle gameplay. Combos like this are pretty difficult to execute, especially under the duress of an efficient clock from your opponent. There are a lot of ways to get a win based on how much mana you can produce and what cards you can get from draw or tutors. It's also a challenge to set up the combo correctly -- should you cast Vizier of Tumbling Sands to be able to use it next turn, or cycle it now? Should you cast Impulse to dig for action or Sylvan Scrying for a stage? Can you accurately navigate under an opponent's hate piece like Damping Sphere, or under limited resources from discard spells? It's not traditional magic, but is still fun and rewarding, if you like this kind of play.

[@shredmasta23]

Why not play the thespian stage off of the first grazer?

[@MTGDeckmasters]

doesnt matter

[@shredmasta23]

@@MTGDeckmasters it ends up leaving you with more mana through the combo turn, I'd say it does matter.

[@bogdancirap7841]

Someone told me that Lotus Field Combo can never win games 2 and 3, why is this?

[@MTGDeckmasters]

Who told you that??😂

[@bogdancirap7841]

some anon on 4chins /tg/

[@MTGDeckmasters]

@@bogdancirap7841 It's absolutely possible to win games 2 and 3. Just look at my gameplay videos 😂

[@DiogenesNephew]

You'd have to assume because they'd sideboard in a response after the first game. Whether they'll actually have an answer ready is another story.

[@peterbach1126]

This is not how you should play Magic 😅🤣

[@MTGDeckmasters]

for me, yes!

[@joshbillings9726]

Stop shuffling your hand so much