Piper Pacer Short Strip

Piper Pacer 1400' strip. 60F, 5 knot right crosswind

[@robinj.9329]

Wow, barely got over the trees 🌳! I'd want a longer strip! But next time, take of at the crack of dawn when the air, cold and densest will help with power and climb.

[@jimmydulin928]

Good job staying with it, not panicking, and not stalling. Try practicing the basic level in low ground effect takeoff first on a long runway. The extra free ground effect energy can make a huge difference. Wolfgang is illustrating the concept when he says to try to hit the tree and then zoom over. Watch us crop dusting to see the concept used thousands of times a day. Get the tail up as soon as it will come up for quicker acceleration. Get the mains off as soon as they will come off well below Vso (an out of ground effect number) for quicker acceleration. Work the yoke fore/aft a bit to bracket, nail, level in low ground effect. Stay down in low ground effect for the extra acceleration until uncomfortably close to the trees. Pitch up only enough to just clear, not go well over, the trees thereby saving that extra free ground effect energy (airspeed). Farmers say we hit the trees, but that is just downwash. Once we get the hang of it, it makes all takeoffs more energy managed, more comfortable, and more the outcome of the maneuver is never in question. Even if we do the math well, short, high DA, heavy, hot, gust spread, etc. will make the outcome in doubt. Having banked the extra airspeed provided by the basic level in low ground effect takeoff mitigates that doubt.

[@allenmurray7893]

That's the first time I've seen a Tri-Pacer in action.

[@richceglinski7543]

Good thing you only ate one donut this morning !

[@ronwade2206]

Marginal at best. N2165A you have an Angel today, will it be there again tomorrow? 🙏

[@jackriley5974]

Started as a student in a 150 (with instructor) on a similar, but shorter strip. See if you can find it at Ft Johnson, NY?

[@JustinHuff_EOinDixie]

What’s with the cut right at rotation?

[@garyfischer4357]

Worst thing Piper ever did was chop off that great lift wing.

[@CH67guy1]

But I thought the shorter wing allows it to cruise faster? (I know the answer. I have a Pacer 135.)

[@pauleyplay]

A real correct Pacer NO 150s in a pacer@@CH67guy1

[@flycatchful]

He took off about 700' into the take off roll. Now the hard part is landing in 1400'. At both ends of the runway are trees at least 200' tall. The only way I see safely doing that is a slide slip maneuver.

[@mtrunk8570]

Interesting that you know the height of the trees lol you may want to take a zero off.

[@benjamingamble2407]

200 ft. trees? This isn't in the Cascades! (I'm a forester and I own a Tri-Pacer)

[@dginia]

Uh, what is it like on a high density altitude day?

[@SRV-gi7vr]

This plane doesn't belong to me, but generally Piper Pacers and Tri-pacers are considered "short wing Pipers" and their hi density alt performance suffers.

[@dginia]

@@SRV-gi7vr A friend one use to have a Tri Pacer and I have had a few rides in it. Nice aircraft. So is this one!

[@buzz-es]

Yeah, ya need a chainsaw down at that end...

[@paulciprus9582]

Yes…get that damn tail up asap…and don’t turn until airspeed is built up..could lead to a stall…fly straight out….😮.

[@arlo4051]

Wouldn't want that engine to hiccup after liftoff.

[@johnmajane3731]

If you push the tail up right away you will shorten your takeoff.

[@pauleyplay]

First Not a real Pacer Flaps are for drag on this wing. No lift gain . Spent my young life in all Pipers. My Dad worked at Piper.

[@kevina8172]

not impressed

[@Prfdt3]

Kma