Pivot Door Installation - watch this first!

Installing a pivot door is easier than you think. Bill Vano with Precision Door and Window shares his install secrets.
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[@Eugene737]

I am surprised there was not any talk about air sealing and thermal performance for doors like these. Perhaps it’s obvious but would have liked to hear discussion on it, however brief it may be

[@missingremote4388]

They use these doors aboard U.S. navy ships for main entry to engine rooms. Called an Ellison Door, they are air tight but not water tight

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@missingremote4388 what? Air molecules are smaller than water.... Airtight will always be watertight, but watertight does not also mean airtight. They even have breathable bags that can release co2 and not lose a drop of water during shipping.

[@MrGelowe]

@@Pepe-dq2ib Since he is talking about Navy ship, it is probably a lot of water. Like flooding.

[@missingremote4388]

@Pepe I'm sure there are other benefits. Such as the Ellison doors close themselves behind you. It's probably somewhat water resistant and air blast proof.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@MrGelowe under high pressure or force to break the seal.

[@skiptrace4034]

Pivot door hardware from Dorma has been in use commercially for decades. I've specifically used it for all glass doors that are frameless 1/2" - 3/4" glass. Standard pivot point is 2-5/8 so even in a 36" FO you can get 32" of clearance for ADA.

[@jmadventures9830]

heavy duty pinion bearing THANKS that's what I wanted to know, great video guys

[@joelargesales]

Matt it's been a while, 1 million subscribers? Incredible, well not that incredible you consistently put out educational, engaging content that informs and entertains. You Da Man...have a great '23

[@mikefranks4528]

This is the solution I was looking for in my van. I have an Adrian steel door/partition and they sent me their hinge kit. However, the tolerance on the partitions on which the door hangs is too tight and the hinges create to much of a gap for the doors to close. So this solution came in right on time. Thank you!

[@allonrosner]

Have you heard of Frits Jurgens? Their pivot hardware gets installed into the door instead of the floor so it's much less invasive (think retro-fitting).

[@St._Peter]

FritsJurgens components are great however they do require taller bottom rails so not the most ideal pivots for narrow or slim profile door frames. Highly recommended in my experience though seeing as how they have integrated closer mechanisms in several models. If you are interested in broadening your knowledge of pivot door hardware they are a must see.

[@MickDuijf]

I love their stuff its super adjustable, u can adjust the speed and damper at ease which is not even possible with most pivot style hinges.

[@skiptrace4034]

Dorma has much less evasive center pivoting hardware than what's shown in the video. The door in the video is large so HD hardware was used. For a standard door their 8852 or 8853 bottom pivot is secured w only (2) 1/4" holes for floor screws. No epoxy. Drill the holes, suck out the dust, insert 2 plugs, screw it down.

[@RonLeedy]

Great video. Would have like to see how the frame trim is handled for an exterior door.

[@tillburn]

Great content as always TY.

[@scorpio6587]

I would be very interested to see the nerdy air sealing details on such a door. How efficient are they?

[@bobbray9666]

I considered a pivot entry door for our new home in zone 6. I was told by not to do it. Even on frost footings, there are movements in a door frame with extreme temperatures and pivot doors will have alignment issues from summer to winter in extreme heating zones more than hinged doors. On a hinged door, the threshold has some movement tolerances. With a pivot door, any movement will cause the door not to work properly.

[@kelstra1997]

If memory serves me correctly pivot doors are usually bigger and wider than normal doors (like in the video) and this type of installation is also recommended for high wind area applications. A more conventional system is floor springs. They have a self closing feature which is an advantage in commercial applications, both these systems are far more robust than butt hinges. These systems are really for commercial buildings and are bit of 'overkill' in residential installations.

[@daisymanuel7893]

Love it.

[@ryansoo4000]

A nice video, but there needs to be a lot more information about pivot door installations, like: 1. How tall, wide and heavy a door can you install? 2. Can the door be made out of metal and if so does the pivot hardware have to change? 3. What are the building codes governing egress and fire safety with a pivot door? 4. How do you install the pivot hardware into a wood frame floor system? 5. What other frame components are needed in addition to the hinges and how do you install them? 6. How do you weather-seal a pivot door? 7. How energy efficient can a pivot door and frame be? 8. Who manufactures the best quality pivot doors?

[@michiganengineer8621]

As far as #8 goes, the "best" will be whoever sponsors the video for Matt!

[@Splazoinka]

What Michigan Engineer said, it's basicly a commercial for the pivot hardware.

[@boooshannon]

Do you mind answering all these or pointing to answers. I'm curious

[@space_equipment9606]

adding (soft) silicone neoprene gaskets (Japan) embedded into the edges of the door resolve all air leak issues. future tense: 3d printing of silicone mouldings & gaskets will be printed in a shop, worksite, back of a truck...

[@DCUPtoejuice]

How can you add a soft closing action to a pivot hinge like that only activates when the door is close to closing, only "latching close" soft closing?

[@va734]

This is the type of design that is amazing on paper but not practical in real life.

[@JaimePerez-yi2ot]

What to do withe the tube breather. Can that be flood or just leve it along ?

[@peterbeyer5755]

I would do a mock up test on an small door in a wood jamb before I wrecked a door and a slab and the door pivots!

[@WOODMAN_pt]

Start using the Fritsjurgens pivot system and you forget about all these old-fashion systems....What you show is, literally, the past century.🤣

[@BiitchSlapper]

Reminds me of that scene from the movie (Young Frankenstein) ..."don't put the candle back"

[@kobra997]

I was trying to find this company and it is not simple. It appears that do not have website. Nobody picks up 805 phone number. Anybody knows how to connect with Bill?

[@d.beaumont9157]

Love the smoothness of these doors, but with all my grandchildren running around that gap on the small side looks like a huge arm cracker.

[@shannabolser9428]

That's what I was thinking 🤔

[@aberba]

It's for luxury and commercial homes/villas. Not the average home

[@d.beaumont9157]

@@aberba Yes but even luxury homes and commercial buildings can have children in them.

[@guylambrechts2303]

Correct install is key on pivot doors!!

[@colxjon]

Those arent balls bearings, they are needle roller bearings lol

[@csealand]

Another home run, Matt.

[@namehere1967]

Rebar never gets in the way.

[@skiptrace4034]

We radar the slabs if they are tensioned. Rather not die cutting out a hole for a floor closure

[@ColeSpolaric]

I don't get why people like pivot doors. It just narrows down the doorway.

[@skiptrace4034]

Because a center pivot is the most efficent, longest lasting, most durable method to swing a door. Simply make your FO 3" wider per door leaf if you want the same clearance. That said you can still get 32" code clearance with a 36" FO and std center pivot hardware.

[@ColeSpolaric]

@@skiptrace4034 ok.... But a residential application won't see the kind of use that requires that. A steel door and it's hinges should easily reach 50 years with no problems.

[@namehere1967]

make a template.

[@ahoorfar]

Can you provide Bill's contact info or website?

[@shannabolser9428]

It's in the description

[@ahoorfar]

@@shannabolser9428 where

[@shannabolser9428]

Right under the title of the video there's how many views the video has, how many days ago it was posted and then the word "More" tap on that word. It opens the video description

[@shannabolser9428]

You will have to tap more again to expand the description fully. It is the BFS link

[@ahoorfar]

@@shannabolser9428 I know that but it doesn’t show the contact info for him 🤔

[@mrsith1402]

Just use hinges

[@rayfedorak4770]

MSRP: $1,084.00 Purchase Price: $650.40 Maybe I can do all the doors in my house. Do kids really need college?

[@drummerguy612]

Why does Bill keep looking to some random person off the left of the screen instead of talking to Matt like he’s supposed to?

[@larrybjr63]

🤔

[@95thousandroses]

Another feature from Matt that is unaffordable to 99.9% of the public.

[@skiptrace4034]

As a contractor I can buy an all glass door made in the US with German hardware ready to go for around 1k. Compared to all the overseas junk at big box stores it's a great value imho.

[@UnbeltedSundew]

It's no more unaffordable than any other hardware that could support a door of that weight and size.

[@johnwhite2576]

@@skiptrace4034 skip-brand and sourcing please thanks !

[@jdlambert8]

It's beautiful, but it seems like a kid could get crushed between the back edge of the door and the door frame.

[@skiptrace4034]

It could. I personally would never produce nor market an oversized door with an exagerated pivot point that has zero speed controls but in this day and age its popular. Standard pivot point for a center pivot door is 2-5/8. That's below the 4" for heads but still could pinch fingers. As a rule I dont sell free swinging doors like shown because once you get it going it could easily take a finger right off. I control them with either floor closures or concealed overhead closures that hydraulically insure safety. No slamming

[@suspicionofdeceit]

A kid could fall out of a window also, yet millions of kids are doing just fine.

[@philleach6271]

DO NOT try and cast them into a pour

[@shannabolser9428]

It's that bad?

[@christben2978]

2023 is a blessing to me and my family I'm celebrating a $32k stock portfolio today. I started this journey with $4000 have invested on time and also with the right tearn now I have time for my family and the life ahead of me

[@zaccaira4649]

This is ok. But it’s just showing features of the product not necessarily general tips.

[@matthewmercer2477]

What a nightmare !

[@Mediateam-]

Despite the financial instability all over the world.l'm so excited I've been earning $75,000 from my $30,000 investment every ten days.....

[@zefallafez]

I see kids losing fingers, broken hands and arms with these doors. What is the purpose of this type of door? If people want to spend their money on this nonsense, more power to them, but it is inane.

[@ColeSpolaric]

Seems like a fad that will go out of style in a decade. It's less functional for sure

[@dondumitru7093]

Oversized doors are "impressive" so if you are going for a very architectural build, a pivot door could pop up on the plans. I agree with you that there are practical reasons to be cautious about them - more complex framing and air sealing, obviously the cost, not kid friendly, huge doors more likely to be grabbed and slammed by a gust of wind, etc. I personally would not be allocating my own construction money in this area. Air and water sealing, and energy efficiency - that's where I would put my cash. :-)

[@skiptrace4034]

Center pivot doors are in use in every major US city commercially. I've sold thousands in the past few decades. The "safest building in the US" tower 1 in NYC utilises them in every elevator lobby for egress. If you look around they are everywhere. Offset hinges leverage the doors weight....center pivot is...centered thus doors can weight excess of 1,000lbs easily w proper planning

[@zefallafez]

@@skiptrace4034 Thanks for explaining their use in commercial buildings. I think their use in residential homes is just a one upping the Joneses fad.

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

Because you cant break fingers on doors that weight the same but side hinged.