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[@isaacslaton6504]

Since no one else is saying it, Robert Kirkman is actually the comic writer, he wasn't the show runner for season 1 of the walking dead. That was Frank Darabont. Frank Darabont got fired from his position for asking for a higher budget. Not a raise, a higher budget. No disrespect to Kyle though. It was an honest mistake any of us could have made.

[@BamaShanks]

And not only did they not increase the budget, they actually cut it. It became a hit show immediately and their reaction is to cut the budget...

[@damndude999]

Half true, He calling them out on all there Greedy Bs so they ILGALLY fired and it took 8 years for him to win (I know settel) that lawsuit

[@damndude999]

@@BamaShanks Every season has had less of a budget the the one before, Even in the shows prime, the cunts at amc pocketed the money.

[@PinelliSC]

They should have made it 5 seasons. It would be known as a classic.

[@crunch9876]

. Yeah right. The saviors ark was one of the best. For me it was the whispers that I wasn’t a fan of their arc. It was a good concept but could have been better

[@skrublordnord69]

If it did there would be so many plotholes you have no idea. Especially to those who read the comics. Fr tho season 9 10 and 11 are soooo good lol

[@MrHankHill]

Agreed.

[@Digger-Nick]

That would be hella stupid. That covers like no material...

[@TheRealGrampz]

U would never be able to fit all that in 5 seasons . Unless u want 30 episode seasons which is bad

[@jasperboyce1998]

I quit watching when they bullshitted Glenn's survival under the dumpster just to kill him off 3 episodes later.

[@Dylan-jc6id]

It was closer to a season later but yeah that was ridiculous

[@SuperShortAndSweet]

I thought he died then, and stopped watching

[@keshonhend2047]

I knew Glenn survived the horde. It was obviously Nicolas the zombies were eating. Hint: Intestines aren't in your upper chest.

[@Sjcstro84]

Me too. Negan was a good character but killing them w a bat really went down hill after that.

[@zackeryhennessy9936]

Without Rick and Carl the show loses its purpose

[@iammegamanx]

^ this

[@clydefrog203]

Carl and his stupid fucking haircut sucked.

[@greenmoss751]

"You see, I disagree..."- Woody when he's about to have the most braindead take just to play devils advocate

[@chrisgit4433]

Not sure whether him, Joe Rogan or Stavros Halkias takes the case for the dumbest smart guy

[@chasetaylor1083]

@@chrisgit4433 stavvy baby

[@deserteagle179]

I think the 3 of yall take the cake

[@deserteagle179]

And share it

[@starblade1]

@@chrisgit4433 why stavvy?

[@clearspira]

Rick biting off that guy's face who was about to rape Carl is absolutely the high point of this show. I wanted more of that - and now we never can.

[@PwnZombie]

You wanted more of guys r*ping Carl?

[@ycghbat4301]

kyle is so on point about this ive watched ep 1 a week after it aired all the way till now almost agree with everything he said

[@daoyang223]

Lmao me too bro.

[@passiveincomeband8984]

Kyle was correct that the original developer of the show got his crew together and handed AMC a show and then AMC got greedy and pulled terrible ideas, like making season 2 twice as long but then half the budget of season 1. Season 2 was supposed to include an episode amongst more where you follow a soldier the entire time, then the soldier gets bit and returns to a tank to die, then the tank was going to open and Rick gets in and you realize that is where Rick gets into the tank in season one. All those great ideas were scrapped because they did not have the budget to continue after AMC's greedy choices.

[@davegalaga1101]

dang that would have been great

[@jocularsolid]

Woody likes the walking dead because its something he does with Colin, and he is just justifying it.

[@llllIlllIllllIlllllllIllIlll]

Whos colin

[@jocularsolid]

@@John-Doe-Yo collin*, his son lol

[@jocularsolid]

@@John-Doe-Yo I think its actually collin, but his son

[@briartousley9806]

@@John-Doe-Yo his sons special, so it's something they can both watch together

[@Teskalis]

It legitimately became better though

[@buddyfats4768]

I feel like woody is really underselling the plot armor in the walking dead, yes more characters die but there are a ton of moments where Rick or someone else survived an impossible situation, hell glenn managed to survive under a dumpster surrounded by zombies somehow.

[@Nullandvoid971]

The thing about the walking dead is that there’s no way a zombie apocalypse could last as long as it has in the show. Bodies walking around in that Georgia heat would rot themselves to the ground in just a few days. Even up north, the bodies would fall apart and rot too quickly for there to be a “zombie apocalypse.” Even fresh zombies would rot in a matter of a few days.

[@jaysus4316]

Watched every episode every week when it was coming out from start to around season 4 or 5. At my grandma's house funny enough with my aunt my two cousins , my two younger siblings my pops every Sunday when I was 10 back in 2010 ahh good times man.

[@xjamesxreedx]

It stopped being suspenseful and turned into a damn soap opera. I stopped watching after like season 3 or 4, though I heard it got good again later.

[@joedirt7604]

Ppl keep telling me it got good again too. But honestly I haven't made it through a single episode of the new ones. I tried a couple times and was disappointed with the show honestly it doesn't even keep my attention anymore. I don't see what the hype is about. I like the zombie movies and the show znation was good while it lasted but idk about the walking dead. It's not how it used to be for sure

[@andofb]

It was good pretty much up until the season 7 premiere then it was downhill and couldn't really find its footing again. I would argue that the newer episodes from around maybe season 9 on are just as good as those other seasons but for me there is a lack of investment in the characters that are on the show. The remaining ones you care most about have way too much plot armour for it to ever be suspenseful and that makes you less invested in them as characters if that makes sense.

[@jaygin6518]

Of course woody liked that Carl died , he had so many shit takes

[@natesturm448]

My cousin had a prominent role in TWD. He was introduced early and lived for quite a while. He said that he was extremely happy in the show but it dragged on for so long that he wasn't able to take, or search for that matter, another job. He isn't bitching because he's filthy rich, but he is having a more difficult time because he's always looked at the same way and if he does get offers they're always for the same character he played in the show. Just went on for TOO long. Even for some of the actors.

[@xJDMWaRRi0Rx]

t Dog

[@gongetya.9244]

Kyle mistook Robert Kirkman for Frank Darabont.

[@cyberdyne9480]

I watched the first 6 seasons religiously, the moment each episode was released. Now I'm only just finding out by chance there's a new season lol

[@dmurphy1578]

I was out when they killed off Carl for the contract $$. See ya

[@GabagoolGang]

same, bone head move. Then they tried doing his comic arc with another character and then killed that character off too lmao

[@masonz6074]

@@GabagoolGangHonestly I didn't know that, that's hilarious, glad I stopped watching after they killed off Carl

[@HelloZukoHere7]

It all started when they started separating the characters into their own episodes. Yeah it made sense in season 4 after the prison, But they dragged that out in every season for no reason other then making a bottle episode to save money. Then another issue the show started having was only making the premieres and Finales the important episodes with everything in-between feeling so slow and drawn out. Like fuck. Then they faked Glenn's death and then Brought him back only to die again, which I don't have a problem with Glenn dying it happened in the comic (Although it was done so much better in the comic) but faking it and then undoing it like softened the blow (no pun intended) and also making the finale a cliffhanger also dragged it down even more. Then yeah the nail in the coffin for me was killing Rick and Carl. Rick I somewhat understand since the actor wanted to leave (even though he's my favorite) but getting rid of Carl when the Actor wanted to continue the show was truely the day that the show died. Because Carl was the future and he was so young and gave the world hope. When he died it really ruined the whole point of the story.

[@carzybacon47]

Rick isn’t dead in the larger walking dead universe. They basically had him exit the show to work on a stand alone movie. They did the same thing with machone. The movie has been post poned bc of covid but it should start filming this winter.

[@davegalaga1101]

This is the correct take

[@dan2178]

Kyle mistaked frank for kirkman. Kirkman never wrote the mist.

[@dbspaceoditty]

yeah i was wondering about htat. who the hell is frank?

[@Simplejackfade]

Show peaked at season 3, then fell off hard after the first half of season 5.

[@la9425]

Show died when Carl died. All to save a few $$. YMS has a good breakdown of the behind the scenes stuff, this show could have been bigger than game of thrones.

[@connorcraft9594]

Carl chose to leave the show so he could go to college and focus on streaming. He made the choice to leave, so the show killed his character.

[@la9425]

@@connorcraft9594 that's not true, he had just bought a house in Georgia next to the filming location so he could be closer to the set. They cut him because he turned 18 and they'd have to start paying him adult rates.

[@schnauzerclauser5399]

@@la9425 eh, could be true. But I’m more believing of the fact that it was because the show had planned for Maggie to be the major season death that would turn the tables for Rick snapping, since Laren Cohen was deciding to leave the show. Halfway through the season, she decided that she’d stay on. I’m pretty sure it was Lauren Cohen/Maggie, but it might’ve been another actor. Gimple panicked because they had worked up a major character death for the season in the trailers and promotion, and so he wrote for Carl to die. Don’t know if he just stuck with it and rode it, or if he didn’t have time to. But the show has been known to cheap out a whole lot. FTWD was great with a different show runner, but once Gimple ran it, it definitely went down in quality. Locations stopped being as insane and creative, acting talent wasn’t as good, which is all fruit from a cut budget/skimping.

[@Crysta1Pisto1]

Show was pretty bad at that point already. Season 9 post Carl is in my opinion one of the best seasons of the entire show.

[@la9425]

@@schnauzerclauser5399 they had a licence to print money and they got so greedy they started selling off parts until the machine didn't work anymore :/

[@jacobjohnson2603]

why does Harley look like Woody's illegitimate son

[@oye..................]

*excited that a new video came out on PKA/fan pages then sees Harley is in it* Ight imma head out

[@Styinee]

Woody at 9:20 looks like a child raising his hand to talk his eyebrows are exploding

[@ryan4888]

i think the fans give Woody too much shit for his tv / movie opinions, however the fact he didn't like GOT's Battle of the Bastards is weird. it's widely accepted as one of the greatest episodes of television ever lol

[@manybuckets969]

When I saw a clip of a season I didn’t see yet and I saw them in those fuckin stormtrooper suits I knew I was done with the show.

[@hawkchalk]

Killing Carl was when the show effed up.

[@NASkeywest]

I stopped watching when every episode became 40 minutes of speeches and then 3 minutes of something interesting.

[@arithebarbarian6756]

Glen was the reason many stopped watching. When he got killed and they tried to make Negan a sex symbol I was out.

[@user-jt6rh8xy6n]

The walking dead started out really strong, especially when they reached the sanctuary ark and met “the mayor”.

[@dakotarandolph4714]

Easy answer : they changed the story from the comics.

[@brandonlindley8697]

The pilot episode of Walking Dead was shot and filmed as a movie, imo it's the best episode in the whole series and the show progressively gets worse after the pilot.

[@brandonlindley8697]

@@Don-pn2mf funny how the title of the video is "Where the Walking Dead went wrong", it went wrong after Darabont left and AMC fucked him over

[@MSF_Soldier_Alligator]

100% correct opinion, I was hooked at the start and completely gave up after like season 3 or so.

[@wes788411]

What did Robert Kirkman have to do with The Mist? He must be confusing him with Frank Darabont.

[@Povole]

It was hinted at endlessly that Daenerys was going to be evil right from season one.

[@beatle7809]

Woody doesn’t know John Snow had divine intervention on his side. He was revived by the lord of light, and that god is one of the few in the story to have legit powers

[@Mateo-fy7oo]

season 11 has been great so far

[@Jm-vn7zm]

They lost me when I saw ricks daughter shooting walkers with his big ass .357

[@cowslayer2926]

I agree with woody, was good up until negan, got terrible, then roped me back in with season 9 and 10

[@TheChronicFiend]

Breaking bad is 10x better with half the amount of seasons...the walking dead lost me long ago

[@doctorgonzo5358]

100%.

[@shev1268]

@@roamingthereal4060 I think the writers for that show could've done something great with a few extra seasons but they wrapped it up perfectly imo, BCS is a great "follow up" show while still being its own thing

[@david...352]

Just finished watching it. Show is 10x better for sure.

[@brandonharrison60162]

I stopped watching around when Maggie got pregnant and there was no actual proof she was pregnant. Morning sickness, stomach pains, a growing stomach. Then all of a sudden after a season or.2.of being pregnant she finally starts to have symptoms. Wtf

[@Blacksochs]

Walking Dead itself became a zombie

[@nomadjoker2760]

I agree with Kyle on plot armor to death ratio on TV shows 100% he nailed it on the head

[@BrominatedVegetableOil]

Yet another example of Woody just loving whatever the screen tells him to love. I agree with Kyle here, there's a balance in the core story and the behind the scenes bickering/contracts bled into the product and ruined it.

[@jratatatat]

woody wrong woody wrong

[@kaiden840]

Not the mention when the blood squirts it looks like microsft paint

[@charlesyoung3444]

One of the reason I like the 100 so much is because noone is safe plot armor doesn't exist the carecters u like WILL DIE

[@jacobhealy8376]

the point at which your not following any of the original characters and the first few seasons when they weren't sure if they wanted to follow the comics or not

[@LJP03]

Harley kinda looks like Sandor Clegane if he never got thrown into the fire

[@channelname5477]

5:24 Oof Poor Harley

[@ayyys-u3362]

god I really hate it when Harley is on, the way he talks, he always sounds drunk and is constantly interrupting and trying to take the conversations in a different direction

[@Bonker_]

When Rick left I left

[@yosefshekelberg5433]

Where the walking dead went wrong. Season 1, episode 1, 0:00:01

[@WTFvISvTHIS]

I have to agree with woody on this one shows are much better when there isn't plot armor I will say that walking dead fails at building up the side characters more so when people do get murdered or killed the show can continue. That's where game of thrones does an amazing job.

[@justme87999]

It was Frank Darabont, not Robert Kirkman.

[@SuperSaiyanBroku]

The show is a adaptation of a Comic which is most media nowadays the show is ending right wen the comic is ending

[@FnPwnage]

The only reasons I'm still watching the show is because I want to see what happens to Darryl and Carol. Since they're the only two characters left who are left and still currently alive from Season 1 core group and with everyone else disappearing or dying off there's no other characters I really care about how their story ends. To me the only interesting characters as of late have been Negan , Alpha and Beta and Michonne but she's disappeared. Playing The Walking Dead Telltale series and the VR Game on Playstation (which is a great buy for anyone with VR) also helped keep me interested in the series as a whole. I doubt I'd still be into the series if they didn't have those games.

[@mommasbigboy8656]

Is there a worse take than this?👆

[@itsv1p3r]

ill admit ive never seen GOT but how can you think anything is more epic than helm's deep

[@shakostarsun]

When they got rid of Maggie Green and when they veered from Comics with Carl Grimes.

[@snoozebutton]

Harley looks like a total different person

[@TheRealJohnMadden]

I found that after their entrance into Alexandria that the show got pretty stale. I can't remember the amount of times I cried or got close to it during the first 5 seasons. The character development was just fantastic and really made you fall in love with everyone. Unfortunately, with a show like this you just gotta cut it off at some point, it went in the same direction that GoT did where the writing and situations just made no sense anymore.

[@douggaudiosi14]

I felt the same way after Alexandria it took a nose dive

[@gskate117]

I could say confidently that the walking dead was enjoyable enough for me to the end. It has its dumb cgi tiger moments, but almost every long ass show has its moments

[@hawkchalk]

The end of game of thrones made Jon Snow's entire story pointless.

[@FriendWithAnOffSwitch]

This is like listening to the three dudes on coke at a party try and have a conversation

[@SomeBoredGuy69]

The show died for me the season after Rick was gone. Feminism was ramped in the writing after this. It became too insulting as a man to watch.

[@enzocabrera4440]

Its a show about zombies who can´t even run , just by walking a little bit faster your safe. How in the hell that can last more 10 seasons ?

[@TheUnseenPath]

Jon didn't die Woody because he had to kill the NK.

[@AmericanGadfly]

They coukdnt keep carls storyline from the comics because the actor aged 5 years in about 6 months of story time lol

[@AmericanGadfly]

@@Don-pn2mf huh? The actor was like 8 in season 1 and was like 15/16 by the time he left the show. He'd gone through puberty and had a growth spurt. He was only supposed to be 9 or 10. To keep the storyline from the comics they would have needed to make a 16 year old look 10. Not 21. (Im throwing out ages to illistrate the point, idk how old he actually was)

[@AmericanGadfly]

@@Don-pn2mf i dont give af what they told people. Have you seen the comics? Have you seen the show? Why is it 75% of people are retarded? How about you do some research.

[@spinks1369]

The show ultimately got bad around season 8 because Scott Gimple wanted to make it his show, by killing Carl, & adding all that stupid shit with trash people, and not following the comics. Negan was suppose to be a home run for the show, & he ruined it.

[@Stokpaut]

is it just me or was harley on some upper ?

[@chilledgtv]

They weren’t real horses in BOTB

[@MlSTERSANDMAN]

Yeh I begrudgingly made it to Carl dying then peaced out.

[@Matt-xc6sp]

Fear TWD has been the sleeper show for a while now.

[@UrsineArms]

They ruined that one too

[@Matt-xc6sp]

@@UrsineArms ok sucks for you then. Not that sorry for you that you don’t seem to enjoy anything lol. Go tweet Kevin Smith about how he ruined he man while you’re at it

[@UrsineArms]

@@Matt-xc6sp low IQ response

[@PandemicGameplay]

Woody's take on everything absolutely enrages me. Walking dead is absolute dog shit, gun handling is dog shit, CGI is dog shit.

[@joedirt7604]

the walking dead slowed down to much. It's good to change it up. But the walking dead slowed it down just a bit to much. It was to slow to keep any interest. I forget the show is even still going its slowed down so much. Now if they would bring back z nation we would have something decent to talk about 🤣

[@Yevrodans]

honestly if z nation was more serious and less silly it would be pretty solid i felt like it had a lot of potential.

[@tavish4699]

Killing shane off was the biggest mistake

[@bozoedge]

The walking dead kicks ass atm

[@bozoedge]

@@Don-pn2mf what’s wrong with cage warriors?

[@jakeevans4130]

@@Don-pn2mf the walking dead is nothing like cw shows.

[@jakeevans4130]

@@Don-pn2mf ok yeah those scenes sound and look like from a cw shows good point.

[@jakeevans4130]

@@Don-pn2mffrom my point of view all I see is a sick just hating on the show because it's not like the comics.

[@gnarfarmer]

no taylor? why even watch?

[@Direbeetus]

GoT seasons 1-4 had very little footage of battles. Pretty much up until the battle for King's Landing, all you'd see of battles was the aftermatth and everyone talking about how the outcome of that battle changed things. The later seasons were only focused on the battles and could care less about characterization or intriguing dialogue. What idiot thought it would be a good idea to put the catapults OUTSIDE THE WALLS?

[@jonvia]

Anything with that many seasons will fail horribly. Thats why Breaking Bad is the best show ever. It didnt drag on. Every episode matters. (except the fly episode)

[@danielmoore8695]

the last two seasons of Breaking Bad were kinda meh, i watched for a long time simply cuz i wanted to watch every episode

[@AcuraAddicted]

People who think that GOT or TWD is bad clearly either haven't seen or forgotten about literally the worst finale dismantled show ever: L.O.S.T.

[@thedraftdoctor1]

it went wrong when it was written

[@makarovkid9696]

Best battle ever. Battle of the bastard was the shit

[@Avery_____]

Kyle come visit Athens again!

[@TheBeeaarrJew]

Went downhill when Carl died and Rick left

[@Chaotic_Monk43]

On the topic of GoT, the last two seasons are what happens when you ignore all logic and reason. Ignoring the fact that it needed more episodes/seasons, if they made the obvious fan service choices and played them out, it could have been decent, but they just made so many bad decisions that made no sense. Jon should have been the one to turn the tide in the Battle of Winterfell, but instead he did basically nothing.

[@RecruitofApollo]

“Where did the Walking Dead go wrong?” It lasted more than 4 or 5 seasons. I know this show makes money, but goddamn, people need to just let stories end.

[@RecruitofApollo]

@@Don-pn2mf To be fair, my only real exposure to The Walking Dead has been the show and the TellTale game. I've heard some good things about the comics, so maybe I'll read them one day.

[@beautruex7012]

Kyle is looking like he gained some weight back!

[@sabref4i290]

So nice to watch this without stupid comments from Taylor

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

The Walking Dead went wrong in the first episode when the cop guy's wife banged the other guy in the forest. Oh yeh, let's just completely let our guard down during the middle of a zombie apocalypse, where we can be attacked literally anywhere at any time.

[@johns818]

The dynamic audio ruined the show.. dialogue was very low while all the sound fx and zombie noises were ear piercing. You literally had to become an audio engineer while watching the show constantly adjusting the volume.

[@sordieo]

I quit when Shane died

[@megacrosbie]

Is it just me or does harley seem like hes on molly?

[@Lloyd_Will]

I watched early, I liked up to season 3 then it kinda got played out

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

They were screwed the moment they thought they could kill off Carl. Main aspect of the comic is to end off with Carl. And then the actor for Rick left to do a seperate movie so mowmits just execs farting out filler stories from now on

[@user-ns3vs3bp3e]

Did this man genuinely just claim the Walking dead doesn’t have plot armor? It’s literally a show everybody knows for its stupid plot armor of all main cast members unless it’s a season finale, there are fucking countless memes about it. It’s literally the same thing that he is complaining about the final seasons of game of thrones, main cast can’t die no matter the odds. Both shows started out with main cast dying by poor choices then the shows lost their way and made them immortal because they needed them in later scenes but wanted shocking moments

[@joeyk3134]

Negan would have died 3 episodes after his introduction if he didn't magically perfectly block a bullet with his wooden baseball bat.

[@damndude999]

Made issues. 1. Changing So much from the comic. 2. Amc's Greed, S1 had the biggest budget of every season so far. 3. The Gimmicks (Negan cliffhanger/ Glenn Dumpster/ S10 Cave cliffhanger) 4. Amc pandering to the dumbest of the fanbase/ the reaction channels.

[@mr.bigglesworth1970]

Walking Dead for sure is an amazing TV show but I stopped watching in the later Seasons. I believe it was shortly after they were done with the prison I never made it to any episodes with Deegan (neegan?😅) in it though so somewhere inbetween there they completly lost me.

[@joeyk3134]

I stopped watching when negan showed up. Glenn getting domed wasn't even the reason. I could just tell he was one of those villains where you knew nothing for the next season would matter because of his impenetrable plot armor. The motherfucker blocked a bullet with a baseball bat. Come on.