Hollywood Forcing Diversity & Nudity in Amazon's Lord of the Rings | PKA

[@SpecialEDy]

Tolkien is rolling in his grave... LOTR doesn't need diversity, Eowyn and Galadrial were badasses in the books.

[@scottcantdance804]

His books were based on European mythology. European mythology is filled with a diverse range of creatures... But in no accounts I have read, are those creatures racially diverse. Here's something interesting on the etymology of the word "Elf"- It literally means "white", or "the white one". Germanic *ɑlβi-z~*ɑlβɑ-z is generally agreed to be a cognate with Latin albus ('(matt) white'); Old Irish ailbhín ('flock'); Greek alphoús ('white'; ἀλφούς); Albanian elb ('barley'); and Germanic words for 'swan' such as Modern Icelandic álpt. These all come from an Indo-European root *h₂elbʰ-, and seem to be connected by the idea of whiteness. The Germanic word presumably originally meant "white one", perhaps as a euphemism.

[@pepsitate8019]

I think the same thing about the nudity. Imagine how much less respectable Peter Jackson’s trilogy would have been if there was some crowbarred in scene where Arwen was naked for no good reason. It’s just sleazy.

[@superdead86]

I thought that some parts of the Haradrim were black. Or at the very least, eastern.

[@Wertyoco]

@@superdead86 there's black men like half trolls XD, think the quotes either from the black gate battle or at the pelanor feilds

[@superdead86]

@@Wertyoco sounds like LotR is very diverse then xD

[@TheGavrael]

Tolkien and his son would never have allowed nudity. They waited until Christopher died and hired new writers and all of a sudden, nudity. It’s literally a betrayal of the material, the author, and everything the world stood for.

[@SpecialEDy]

Woody: Hulk's a genius, David Banner" Me: "Have you ever seen a Chevy with the Butterfly Doors!"

[@ziggiesaquaticexotics8270]

😂😂😂😂😂 bruce banner *

[@Crispedkillah]

if there's black elfs or lesbian power im out of the show day 1

[@traviss9059]

Yep, I almost clocked out of The Witcher when I first saw Frangila. It's not so much of her skin color but more to do with her attractiveness in the end. Geralt wouldn't fuck her and in the books he FUUUUUUUUCKS her in great detail, they probably give it more detail that him and Yennefer.

[@Alan-bd1cv]

You're just a racist man...

[@quickscopeoneeighty9158]

Why?

[@Alan-bd1cv]

@@Crispedkillah yeah, you're a racist with two Puerto Rican brothers.

[@blwkbird5747]

Alan yeah buddy, take a walk

[@bauerhans-christian5616]

There can't really be a younger Gandalf, because in the lore Wizards don't age. They are spirit beings who have taken the form of old men to walk Middle-Earth. So hiring a younger actor to play Gandalf would be tricky. Also, I too hope that they are not going to make LOTR woke. I can't stand that stuff. I'm not getting my hopes up, though, because every studio out there seems determined to bastardize every beloved franchise out there.

[@mrnobody6447]

He wasnt human not just a wizard.

[@maxwellsandor1876]

It's really bad

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

The Lore says elves have white hair and pale skin too. They didn't have a problem ignoring that part of the lore.

[@bauerhans-christian5616]

@@ButterBallTheOpossum they shat all over the lore. This has nothing to do with Tolkien's vision. This is all about taking a beloved franchise and using it as an ideological mouthpiece. Why do ypou think they consistently latch onto existing franchises instead of creating their own? Nobody would give them the time of the day, if they didn't use a big and well established label to get the attention of an already existing audience.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Hey, uh, can you guess what they did?

[@zacharynetzer819]

Oh my god, I had forgotten there was a 300 sequel

[@PKAClips]

We all did haha

[@quickscopeoneeighty9158]

What?

[@But_Sects]

I liked eva greens titties

[@ZoidBorgir]

600?

[@MaoMoney]

301 dalmatians

[@ArchesBro]

They added the female elf as a love interest, then they swapped directors and Peter J was forced to shoehorn her into the story. Even worse that trilogy was supposed to be 2 movies and it messed up the climaxes and pace of the movies

[@alfgui3295]

Peter J created that character, then "supposedly" a faceless evil CEO forced them to turn her into a love interest, which it's just a PR bullshit movement to justify her terrible arc because without the awkward love story she didn't add anything to the story.

[@EbonMaster]

"didnt know he could grow bigger, should have named himself after that" Made me chuckle knowing that Pym went by Giant Man AND Goliath for a while.

[@traviss9059]

Gandalf has always looked like an old man while living in Middle Earth, he only looked young while living in the undying lands. He also wasn't sent to Middle Earth until the 3rd age so he wouldn't be in the show.

[@daemonredfield3211]

Can we add in a black comic relief sidekick? Imagine a Chris Tucker type randomly in Lotr.

[@remylebeau7258]

The dwarf!

[@kolomanka]

He And his kind have nothing to do in that universe.

[@luckylarry3090]

@Encore Baby Idk but there are already orcs in LOTR so non Whites are already fairly represented.

[@nate8867]

May as well add a furry too

[@Stormeris]

In the avengers movie, when the wahmen power scene came on, i remember there was an audible groan from like half the fucking cinema. It was kinda hilarious.

[@Fluffymonkeynips]

woodys laugh is so contagious LMAO

[@ndep93]

There's no Gandalf in the Second Age. He's still Olorin and in Valinor at the time. The Wizards, or Istari, don't come to Middle Earth until sometime in the Third Age, after Sauron is defeated in the War of the Last Alliance. They are sent by the Vala to ensure Sauron is killed for good and prevent another Melkor from happening since the conflict that ultimately defeated Melkor literally destroyed about 1/3 of Middle-Earth. FWIW I'm terrified of what Amazon might do with this show. The downfall of Numenor is tragic enough, I don't need modern entertainment tropes to make it even worse.

[@BartAllen]

*The Blue Wizards are sent to Rhun and Harad by the Valar over 3,000 years before Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast are sent to Endor ~*

[@OmniDan26]

@@BartAllen 2000*

[@BartAllen]

@@OmniDan26 *It's 2841, I just rounded it to the nearest significant figure thus put 3000 ~*

[@jacobantony9033]

Then there was the girl power scene in The Boys S2 Finale that was pretty good.

[@awesomeandrew0448]

Love this vid. Y’all always seem to make me laugh and I love the hot takes on all the different topics y’all come up with. Don’t understand how you don’t have more subs / views

[@MrSqurk]

Pretty sure they have over a millions subs on the actual channel.

[@nate8867]

This channel isn’t associated with the podcast

[@elbraguetabierta]

for anyone looking for those depictions of eowyn, its a couple of drawing made by frank frazetta, theyre pretty good

[@squaeman_2644]

Ah I got Baksinkis illustrations in my head when I heard him talking about it.

[@koraihoshiumi3137]

Would be cool AF if they did an arc on humans, then had a group move on to the elves and follow their adventure, move onto to dwarves after

[@SpaceNam17]

If only they knew about shelob being a hot woman

[@admercaceresjr7925]

But also a spider. No go lol

[@OmniDan26]

@@admercaceresjr7925 How would she even mate with a human? Lay eggs in them?

[@JoeyVSupreme]

I am both Taylor, not caring about the MCU, and Kyle getting mad about how shoehorned modern media is.

[@metalbat8414]

Drax has super strength and in the comics is way more powerful tbf

[@mrk9444]

I'm down for a scarlette Johanson ham sandwich

[@edward3320]

Black people in the Hobbit would make little sense. No need for extra melanin in middle earth.

[@theykilledjoel1496]

I really don’t know why they always try making a lgbtq appear in movies. I dislike it

[@nightvisiongoggles]

They want to make homosexuality "normal" (i.e. encourage it to increase in prevalence) when it does not even compose 10 percent of any given population.

[@nightvisiongoggles]

@@soccrstar4 don't give Hollywood ideas... While left-handed guitars still look weird to me, I wouldn't mind seeing a Ginger Pride March every now and then.

[@bdbd1390]

I knew Elijah Woods, he was in Radio Flyer. I watched that a few times as a kid

[@Rampagedd]

go woke go broke.

[@OmniDan26]

Getting super small is a great power. You could enter someone's ear and start tearing up their brain.

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

I could accept that the Easterling could maybe be black but elves and dwarves were white. They ate based off European fairytale.

[@theabstrac7736]

Ahhh the Hulk, David Banner

[@moonlitdescent3555]

My second favorite character. My first is Timmy Stork.

[@WillyNelson-r2g]

12:30 did woody really just call Bruce Banner “David Banner” 😵‍💫 LIKE A PIMP

[@YungMonie007]

Lord of the Rings movies and the hobbit franchise is already proof you can turn Tolkien works into a successful live action without needing to shoehorn nudity or gore.. Lord of the Rings book/movies where created to be a story for everyone of all ages.

[@squaeman_2644]

Yes, I don't think you could take away the morality and philosophy in Tolkien's works and expect to have the same product.

[@MrSlaw3]

I hope the writers have read about old elf lords and their actual powers. Having ancient elf on your fellowship and struggling against few orcs while in canon they can take down balrogs would be huge dissapointment.

[@zengonzalez]

As a man that has never consumed any media from lord of the rings, I have no fucking idea what any of that meant.

[@MrFoxCallum]

The Haradrim (people from the land or Harad to the south of Gondor) would make sense to be black as they come from a desert (could be Tolkien's version of Africa) but I don't know if the show would have the balls because they would be the 'bad guys' and kept getting defeated. Also the Corsairs of Umbar (Umbar is Harad's main port) could be Tolkien's Somali pirates.

[@everygrillindude5317]

The Haradrim would be great to use because in the second age they were most certainly NOT the bad guys. The Numenorians were, as they colonized and enslaved the people of Harad for human sacrifice as they believed them to be lesser men. Perfect anti-racist anti-colonialist message that Tolkien was fully behind, and I'm sure it'll trigger all of the whiny reactionaries in this comment section.

[@BartAllen]

@@everygrillindude5317 *After the children of Iluvatar woke in Rhun, some went West to follow the Light, and others went deeper into Rhun and to Harad to refuse the summons of Morgoth and Valar alike ~ A majority of those of Harad fell to Sauron after he re-emerged in Endor (especially as those areas lacked the enlightenment of the Elves) -- that's one of the reasons why Sauron based himself in Rhun after the original place of evil in the North fell ~ Additionally, the Druedain in Armenelos (from Harad) but rewarded with travel to Numenor with the Edain due to fighting Morgoth were very good-natured people; as well as those of Umbar post Numenorean colonisation or those whom the Blue Wizards managed to break away from Sauron ~ Prior to the Blue Wizards arriving in Rhun and Harad, there were some who refused Sauron the tempter and fled ~*

[@pepeshadilay]

They should make the trolls Mexican

[@AlmightyS0sa]

Eh thats going to suck

[@lobbyskids2]

Why would it be diverse it’s based on European folklore and mythology.

[@everygrillindude5317]

Because the Legendarium itself is literally diverse.

[@pkx_phant0m456]

oh man, they have no idea.....this really didnt age well did it.

[@maddg7471]

The film industry is slowing destroying all of its greatest accomplishments one franchise at a time.

[@austinkaine9918]

Patrick stewart is still doing star trek at 81.

[@Bengie-dm3mf]

Ah, come on, Clint Eastwood was 88 in The Mule

[@sail253]

Of course woody will eat amazon's shiz up

[@PokefreakMaster333]

Woody: “ I didn’t mean to take us off of LOTR” *10 minutes later*

[@williamheinbuch]

Even when me and my gf were watching avengers and they did the all girl scene, my gf calls herself i think 1st wave feminist... she got pissed when they did the “pussy power” scene, she was like “that was fucking stupid and I hated it”.

[@nomad8496]

Tony did in fact make pepper that suit btw

[@4PFHarrison]

God it was good when Wood walked away

[@_DMNO_]

I'm gay and even I think that pandering to the LGBT+ community is annoying. Its fine to have LGBT characters but when it is very obviously just to make the movie look more PC, fuck that. The best kinds of LGBT characters in movies and shows, are the ones who aren't forced to show off how gay they are, they just fit in realistically like the rest of the cast.

[@squaeman_2644]

Yes! In other words character's are good when their history and personality is fleshed out and fits a story arc, not necessarily to fill a quota on the big screen.

[@jameswood6669]

Kyle got Woody on the Ian McKellen debate

[@chrisschmitt2895]

Woody loves playing ino the "i know I'm the snowflake of the group" nonsense..

[@MegaChakram]

It's Tolkien it doesn't have sex and nudity it's meant for everyone including kids

[@disqorddoge1101]

The iron man suit that pepper has is not any of the suits from iron man 3. It’s a suit that tony is working on in that movie and it’s explained in that movie. The girl power scene was nonsense but you are wrong about the suit.

[@SilentCrayonZ]

" the incredible hawlk"

[@jamesharding322]

You know what Hollywood needs? More non-american heroes that aren't just characters from outer space, Asian characters to capitalize on Asian stuff being cool, characters from made-up countries or foreign characters that aren't "yank-washed" with their accents to sound American. Why aren't there any European, Australian or NZ heroes in Hollywood? That would be good diversity!

[@alexanderryan1176]

Shut up lurch

[@GreenSupreme.223]

We let Steven Irwin be a hero and get close to our hearts and look where that got us…

[@schizoposting]

that isn't the kind of diversity they want. they're looking for sexual deviants and brown people.

[@GreenSupreme.223]

Isn’t James Bond European? Isn’t kingsman based in the UK? Isn’t John Boyega European? Or not the kind of European you’re looking for? I don’t think many people in America give af about Australia or NZ enough to watch anything non-crocodile hunter. They’re heroes for just living in a country where everything is trying to kill you lmao.

[@russell3023]

Because Hollywood, now follow this, follow this close, Hollywood is located in California, which is located conveniently in America. Now being where it's located it would be logical to assume the majority of their clientele are in general more interested and connect more to characters like themselves.

[@nate8867]

The first 5 minutes were so great

[@captgiraffe6468]

"Ian is probably the only one we knew" Christopher Lee: am I joke to you?

[@Tiedy88]

Their lack of knowledge about basically everything they talk about is both astounding and very disappointing.

[@lukemighty4063]

They have no idea.

[@ambientocclusion]

I need help finding the Eowyn v Witch King illustration.. for science

[@nottylerbocage4129]

Look up Frank Frazetta Lotr

[@ambientocclusion]

@@sambeck2510 Thank you

[@ambientocclusion]

@@nottylerbocage4129 Thank you

[@bigchiefsmackaho387]

Kyle barely paid attention to Endgame lol

[@dustinmosley5965]

Black Widow actually as a weaker version of the super serum, so she has super strength and reflexes.

[@OmniDan26]

But nothing even remotely close to the scale of the sentry, so shes not very useful.

[@zacharycardoso1681]

literally everytime woody opens his mouth its pointless

[@victorhanson8708]

16:50

[@PKAClips]

LOL

[@jacobantony9033]

Kinda like the Troy tv show changed the race of half the characters. And Star Trek made the character gay to honor the previous actor.

[@luckylarry3090]

Lord of the rings cast should be all White, MR. Tolkien was racially aware and wrote his work with a European image in mind.

[@mrnobody6447]

The closest you got was easterlings from beyond middle earth and the 2 blue wizards of Istari who travelled east, he tried to write a sequel too at one point.

[@everygrillindude5317]

You're so incredibly wrong. The middle men around Lond Daer were described as being "swarthy", the harfoots which preceeded hobbits were dark-skinned, the Haradrim that Numenor colonized and enslaved during the Second Age were dark-skinned, the Easterlings were dark skinned, etc etc. Even the Numenorians themselves were "swarthy" ffs and were based off the Egyptians. Need I go on? Don't use your bad knowledge of the lore as a front for your obvious preference for seeing white people on screen.

[@jaygin6518]

@@everygrillindude5317 nah

[@everygrillindude5317]

@@jaygin6518 intellectual powerhouse, you are 😂

[@jaygin6518]

@@everygrillindude5317 thanks

[@zoeybledsoe9847]

paid 250 million for the rights

[@TheBinarygenius]

Of course ants can carry humans, I love marvel movies and they are just entertainment but the amount of bullshit in em is amazing

[@kaiser7695]

Nudity and sex is a bigger problem for me than the diversity shit. I really don’t want them to put sex or nudity in because that will completely ruin it. If you want to make a movie with sex then make a porno, don’t shove it into a book from my childhood.

[@FirstLast-ud6on]

The boys did a good job at a girl power scene

[@ConfederateGroyper]

Typical Hollywood nobody is surprised.

[@IcExHeCz]

Its will most likely be cheap Doesnt matter though people dont expect much these days anyway

[@sillyduck123]

Tolkien was a big Christian so nudity and wokeness isn't really in the spirit of LotR. Unfortunately with big companies and big money, comes BIG investors who have their own rules and some control over content. Supposedly the big corporate investors have a "diversity" quota to meet on media projects like these that investments are contingent on.

[@stonie9495]

Hollywood jews*

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

You can't expand on canon in a completed story. JRR Tolkien is dead. If JRR Tolkien didn't write it its not canon.

[@disqorddoge1101]

I don’t get the “this super hero is useless” rants. Like what do you mean? They are in the movies being useful and displaying how they are useful. It makes it seem like they don’t actually watch any of the movies, like they are just working off of a very basic bio.

[@victorfederico2578]

Ant man is only a genius in the comic. Cuz in the comic it’s actually the scientist hank pim who made the suit thats ant man but in the mcu its scott lang and hes smart but only from what hes learn with hank. Hes got a very basic understanding of a lot of thing but definitely not genius level lol

[@ElvisKalpa]

the avengers is the downfall of western civilization

[@yung_bruh6967]

I farted

[@hulkingowl]

It's Bruce Banner, not David Banner. 12:30

[@sean269]

Bruce Jenner?

[@Desecrator6]

David Banner did have some bangers though

[@hulkingowl]

@@Desecrator6 Y'know that's fair

[@MrSuperalan99]

Back in some of the old content, bruce banner was also known as david banner, also on the original hulk show

[@josephmac1137]

Kyle is so dam right

[@amalia3580]

I'm happy to see more diversity !!!

[@old3rbrother]

I'll hate anyone who ruins lord of the rings the same way they did star wars forever and always.

[@joshgravitt8228]

Ant man isn’t a genius in the movies. The original one is of course but not Paul Rudd.

[@916009]

Exactly girls will be girls, boys will be boys. Just as long as there's something tethering it to normalcy

[@vanwinkledan74]

The girl power scene was infinite cringe

[@FakeApologize]

Boo diversity. Yes nudity.

[@franksbtka1624]

#OrcLivesMatter #SomethingNeedDoing?

[@emfuega]

I’m just hoping fo Gollum d

[@whentheleveebreaks4732]

Logan is the only good Marvel movie.

[@TheWhiteGuy82]

If Hollywood wants more diversity and nudity in content, why don't they just create new content for said ideas? Black Panther was a clear illustration of the fact that this is possible.

[@BartAllen]

*J.R.R. Tolkien to a girl from Boston:* "Rhun is the Elvish word for ‘east.’ Asia, China, Japan, and all the things which people in the west regard as far away. And south of Harad is Africa, the hot countries." 😂 Also there's nudity in Endor during the Elder Days, as I'm sure you're aware ~ 😂

[@jaygin6518]

@@BartAllen dumb comment

[@carlosdanger4648]

15:00 what does she do? Anal

[@noahsagutch8314]

In lord of the rings the east men are black

[@AlexJonesGaming]

I don't care about there being nudity and black people it's the fact that they're pushing it as a political thing instead of something to serve the storytelling and world of the show

[@zephirol4638]

once again woody shows he is clueless. Constantly talking about marvel but doesn't understand anything that is going on. lol

[@MrBurns-tf4if]

Oh make no mistake the new LOTR is for the normies and will try and do what GoT did for the $$$$. So lower your expectations and the show may not totally disappoint you.

[@butwhy3213]

You better recognize me

[@4mjustin]

All these super hero movies are super gay, Lord Of The Rings is much gayer.

[@jeremydussault5984]

You're such a alpha

[@4mjustin]

@@jeremydussault5984 an*

[@jeremydussault5984]

@@4mjustin thank you, I can tell grammar drives makes an alpha like you go crazy.

[@jeremydussault5984]

Incorrect usage of the word "gayer" by the way, it is impossible for those things to be homosexual.

[@4mjustin]

Chill

[@GreenSupreme.223]

77 year old runs the free world bout as well as the 74 year old. At least one of em looks to be in shape. The other looks like an Idaho potato

[@Iono23]

Woody might be the most unlikable person in the world

[@nicholasbyram296]

👹👹👹👹👹 👱

[@ChadHoffmanwickalan]

Hey can we be real? Gimli and legolas in the books were totally gay for each other. They traveled together after the fall of Sauron, and Gimli then travels into the west with legolas as the only dwarf ever to do so....I mean it really sounds like they were touching eachothers butts. Not hating just saying.

[@OmniDan26]

Cool headcannon. Got any proof other than your own degenerate mind?

[@unicorns1393]

it sounded more like an elf and a dwarf making a solid friendship could be related to different races in the real world but idk haven't read the books they could just really wanna do butt stuff

[@squigin3380]

What's up with liberals and other degenerates thinking people can't be friends and things not be sexual? I swear yall have to project your lifestyles and causes you support onto everything.

[@jaygin6518]

I feel bad for your parents