Wow, that was such an incredible survival story. I've never heard of this one before. I'm glad you cover these older stories too.
@l.i.terally29073 ай бұрын
OMG these people who don't help her. Infuriating. You still help someone. At least let her use the phone.
@TheKrustyKristy3 ай бұрын
You wouldn't have
@bryrye45453 ай бұрын
But what about the shoeless women mucking about the place?!
@denisebenedict61023 ай бұрын
I can shed some light on this: I lived in this area in the 1970’s, and there were lots of ‘hippies’ who would have drug parties in the summer cabins. They were a complete nuisance to the locals, stealing, setting fires, and damaging property while on their LSD highs. It was not a bit unusual to see them wandering around half clothed, coming down off the drugs, and most locals wanted nothing to do with them. No doubt, they thought Lauren was one of the hippies, or druggies, which would explain their refusal to help her. Such were the times…
@generaldzaster20223 ай бұрын
@@TheKrustyKristy Yes i would i have a heart, those Hotel people are cowards and pathetic
@LisaBarker-s6q3 ай бұрын
@@denisebenedict6102 oh! that is very helpful to hear, b/c otherwise those people's behavior seems incomprehensible. Thanks for posting about this to put in context.
@Somee9893 ай бұрын
I get it. When I was 16 years old at a library I suddenly felt the need to get home fast. My friends father picked us up and asked me what was wrong. I told him that you must drive faster because something is very wrong with my mother. While he drove, I told him that I see ambulances and police flashing lights at my house in my minds eye. When we pulled up the street, nothing was unusual. When I got inside I found my mother had fallen in the shower and was hurt real bad with blood all over the shower. When the police and ambulance came, I saw that same picture! Later on my Mom told me that she was calling out for me in her prayers for help. I heard that message, no doubt.
@albertochoa73312 ай бұрын
LORD GOD Almighty hears the prayers to those that Seek Him. Hebrews.11:6. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to GOD must believe that he is, and that he a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (King James Version).
@Rob-metoo52726 күн бұрын
Wow, what a coincidence.
@Rob-metoo52726 күн бұрын
@albertochoa7331 just curious what about the ten thousand babies a day that die from malnutrition and starvation? Does he not hear them
@albertochoa733126 күн бұрын
@@Rob-metoo527 Everybody got problems so what ells is new?
@markdonovan15403 ай бұрын
A classic example of what can happen when we don't heed our instinct and intuition. The rational mind often overrides these feelings, because we've been conditioned to do that. Even using rational thought, there were many factors that were not even considered before making the decision to fly. Instead, she allowed herself to be swayed by mere words of confidence and the attraction of adventure. Fortunately, her strength of character and inner strength got her through this terrible ordeal.
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
Well said
@loridavis56993 ай бұрын
Can you imagine overcoming all these obstacles only to run into the 2 most evil selfish people at the first hotels who refuse to help you?
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
OMG tell me about it. She probably didn't have enough energy to get pissed.
@bluestormcloud7913 ай бұрын
At least they didn't shoot her like Artimus Pyle
@margiewinslow8723 ай бұрын
We were driving from SW Virginia to New York to visit my parenrs. We were hit by a blizzard. This was 1968. Our car went into a ditch in rural PA. The chains on the tires broke and blew out a tire. Our suitcases were in the trunk. Back then. Ford Fairlanes used the same key for the ignition as for the doors and trunk. The key snapped in the frozen trunk lock. Now no extra clothes or abiliry to turn on the engine for warmth. We saw a light and walked to a motel. Took almost an hour. The owners turned us away. It was Christmas Eve. I was wearing a skirt and high heel boots. Too! I begged the couple over and over to get a room or at least use their phone. But no. So my boyfriend and I hiked all night and ended up sheltering in a phone booth until daylight. Phone broken. Christmas day. The gas station nearby was closed. A man came looking for gas. When he pulled out again, I threw myself on the hood of his car and begged. My boyfriend was almost catatonic. The driver gave us a ride to an open gas station. The owner put us in front of the stove with coffees. Called his wife who came with cookies and blankets. Meanwhile. His sons found our now completely buried car abd towed it to the station. Replaced the blown out tire. And here's the part that still makes me tear up. He refused to take any money. Merry Christmas, he said.
@Sunny-sc6pfАй бұрын
@@margiewinslow872I would have had to go back to the hotel and tell them a few things.
@ericcox67643 ай бұрын
I wonder if she regrets not listening to her inner voice telling her to skip this trip? Recently, as I was walking around this movie set that I'm watching in northern Arizona, my inner voice told me to be on the lookout for rattlesnakes. 3 steps later, I saw a western diamondback coiled up under a bush. Had I ignored the warning, I wouldn't be here to type this as I'm well over an hour from help. I don't always pay attention to my inner voice, but I'm really glad I did that time!
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
Long ago, as a new nurse, I was supposed to go to another town with a fellow nurse to apply for a job. When she picked me up, I immediately became anxious and nauseous. I ALMOST just ignored it and went but....I felt physically worse and bowed out.....on her way home, she got killed by a drunk driver and her car destroyed....I never doubted myself again
@jmh2105Ай бұрын
She hit a real truth! God Bless us ALL!
@alainvosselman99602 ай бұрын
What a story & what a woman. I really liked how it was retrofitted with the vintage footage which looked like an old dramatization of the event. Nice catch ! Thank you.
@liverbird9563 ай бұрын
Wow what an amazing survival story. Excellently Narrated. Just goes to show we should always listen to our intuition. She's sn amazingly strong lady with tremendous resilience and a strong will to survive.
@tphvictims51013 ай бұрын
Extremely well done site. Talk about anxiety attacks. Phew 😮💨
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
I know right!
@denisebenedict61023 ай бұрын
I remember this, as I lived in the Sierra Nevada Mountains at the time. There’s an old book written from Lauren’s voice on her experience called, “And I alone Survived”. Not only was she in a light clothing, she didn’t even have underwear on, because she hadn’t had time to grab clean laundry. No matter how hot the day, whenever I think of how cold Lauren must have been, lying in the wreckage, high in the mountains, I shiver violently.
@rkatrails3 ай бұрын
I read the book too. My sister picked up a used copy at a book store and passed it on to me. It's a fascinating story.
@Eleahchris2 ай бұрын
OK I think I need to read this book 😊.
@williammartin94503 ай бұрын
Great voiceover sir! I've listened to loads of your videos but just realized I wasn't subscribed...I am now!
@americanwoman62463 ай бұрын
Welcome to the family!
@seanberthiaume8240Ай бұрын
Seriously!? FLYING in that area w/no flares,blakets,shelter,extra food,water...UNPREPARED!
@nelsonbrandt78473 ай бұрын
Outstanding episode. I’ve seen this story before and every time it’s told by someone else I’m inspired by it. Well done!
@lilycalir65153 ай бұрын
Those mountains look so intimidating and scary
@dtaylor10chuckufarle3 ай бұрын
Outstanding as always, sir!
@melodymerritt84193 ай бұрын
This one had me, again, on the edge of my seat! And with the way things are in todays world, just the day to day things eellike a struggle. This videovmakes me feel like....okay, she survived a freaking plane crash, maybe I can survive the turmoil going on in the USA right now! (A lot of it has made me feel like giving up!) But this video helps!!! Thank you for your time and energy in making it!❤
@tommyvarcity27833 ай бұрын
Yes it is overwhelming I’m 43 haven health issues kinda glad I’m in the ozarks just remember all things are possible with Christ 😉😇
@mountainrescue7773 ай бұрын
Always ask a stranger to call 911... if they won't let you use the phone. Amazing story
@lindseyhudson12743 ай бұрын
If were her I would hold a grudge against the other hotel workers. Not helping someone simply because other people, who eventually committed a crime, walked around looking like her is stupid.
@JosieJOK3 ай бұрын
I mean, if they were that scared, why not just call 911? Win-win: they’re protected and she gets help.
@johnharris73532 ай бұрын
Totally agree !
@realLsf3 ай бұрын
Strong lady. God bless her. I hope she’s doing well ❤
@timberdaniels73173 ай бұрын
Good morning JR, Excellent content as always! What an incredible story of ultimate survival! I'm so glad that Lauren made it through her ordeal in the plane crash on Mt.Bradley and had the courage, confidence and strength to descend the mountain and make it to safety. It's sad that Jay and Jean passed away, and may Jay and Jean rest in peace🙏🕊️
@americanwoman62463 ай бұрын
Hey timber! Much love from California!
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
She's incredible. Thank you,!
@timberdaniels73173 ай бұрын
@@americanwoman6246 hey Annabelle! Much love back from North Idaho!
@timberdaniels73173 ай бұрын
@@outdoordisasters she certainly is! You're welcome!
@americanwoman62463 ай бұрын
@@timberdaniels7317 have you guys seen the news about North Carolina? Hurricane really hit them hard. A bunch of different KZbinrs, like the ones who do the helicopter videos are down there helping with relief efforts and rescues. It's crazy.
@sf91453 ай бұрын
Another great one! I've heard it questioned why so many people lost, are found without shoes or in searching for lost people, their shoes are found separate from them. Now we know. She took hers off twice in the beginning, the first to climb down the last 100 ft of the mountain and the second time for a minor reason but was then just unable to find them. Exhaustion, mind games, who knows, but now we know...I really liked your words at the end. Thanks, JR
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
Loose fitting shoes, low shoes like tennis shoes, sandals etc slip off when wet, muddy or on a physical impact...heavy , taller lace boots are much more durable and secure
@allisonmarlow1842 ай бұрын
Almost at 100k. Maybe next video. I still say that your vids deserve way more views, but still excellent for a channel that's been putting out vids for only a year. Great work!
@lindaschad97343 ай бұрын
On a VFR flight under Part 91 the pilot is not required to file a flight plan, although it's a good habit. Then if he didn't close his flight plan on landing, someone would start looking for them and have an idea of their route.
@_nick_d3 ай бұрын
What an amazing story of sheer will power & the desire to not give up until it’s over. Pathetic those motels couldn’t simply call 911, it cost them maybe 0.25 to make that call
@zztop49963 ай бұрын
Another exceptional video and closing thoughts!!!! LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! (She has a wikipedia page entitled, "Lauren Elder".)
@souravmalik74343 ай бұрын
Another amazing story but just wanna know why two hotel owners denied to help her 😮,why didn't they call 911 when she asked for help? The narrator is amazing ❤ Like video ❤ Love from India ❤
@bluestormcloud7913 ай бұрын
It is not the first time a plane crash survivor was refused help. The drummer of Lynyrd Skynyrd band was so bloody and scary looking that he got shot when he went to get help.
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
Wait, what???
@bluestormcloud7913 ай бұрын
@@outdoordisasters yes. His long hair didn't make him any less scary looking.
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
@@bluestormcloud791Ted Bundy had short hair....didn't make him less of a serial killer...
@mayahawj38523 ай бұрын
I’ really like the ending note. I am familiar with the area in this story. Backpack through kearsage pass this summer . Beautiful area. What an incredible survival story!
@lisaw926314 күн бұрын
I love to hear "THIS is Outdoor Disasters" 🥰
@h.nicolejorgensen20773 ай бұрын
Always go with your gut feeling. If it feels unsafe, don’t go! I can’t believe people would not help her! Great job on narrating and visuals. My adrenaline got a boost. 😊
@denisebenedict61023 ай бұрын
It was the 70’s. Lots of people were trippin on LSD. We lived in the same area, and my Dad would never open the door to people he didn’t know with us 3 kids in the house.
@Sunny-sc6pfАй бұрын
Damn all she wanted to do was use the phone and she got turned away multiple times. They could have at least called the police.
@mrsmariamoreme72413 ай бұрын
Yay here early 🤸🏽♀️🤸🏽♀️ What an incredible story, thanks for narrating it awesomely as usual 🥰🥰
@declanpatrickmacmanus54163 ай бұрын
Wild story and great job of telling it
@Faroutfactandfiction2 ай бұрын
Another well done story! You definitely have inspired me😊😊😊
@ZeroPointZap3 ай бұрын
Wow, great story. Thank you...
@RiseandBrine3 ай бұрын
Bravo for using empty beer bottles to collect fuel. Surely those empty beer bottles didn’t contribute to the crash.
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
I believe they emptied them.
@bocadelcieloplaya38523 ай бұрын
@@outdoordisasters butt did they empty them mid-flight?
@josephnulley68083 ай бұрын
Amazing story ...... thanks for posting 🙏🙏🙏
@philippal86663 ай бұрын
I’ve heard this story, but without the map/geography/terrain it was less imaginable
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
Yes, when you can see a 3D rendering of the mountain, you really understand how perilous it was.
@WaterfallWhispering3 ай бұрын
Key takeaway- never visit Independence Ca!!!!
@benlaw46473 ай бұрын
Independence is a fantastic place in the Owen's Valley! If you love hiking , mountains, wilderness areas , this is an amazing area ! The John Muir wilderness, mountain whitney, sequoia, kings canyon all in this area !
@WaterfallWhispering3 ай бұрын
@@benlaw4647 it was a joke…🤷♂️🙃
@southwestxnorthwest3 ай бұрын
I read Lauren's book she wrote about this, it's pretty good and if you want something good to read I highly recommend it
@mikaross46713 ай бұрын
Every single time I get a bad feeling, I follow it. There was a horrendous storm a few weeks ago on the morning I had work. I decided to call out because something didn't feel right. Apparently there was a terrible car crash on the road I take to work. I'm not saying I would have been involved, but you absolutely HAVE to listen to your gut feeling. Always. I also hope the men who denied her help rot in the worst level of hell. How the hell do you say NO to using a telephone for a poor woman covered in dirt and blood? Lauren Elder is an incredible survivor. I'm so glad she made it.
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
You very well could have been in that wreck....inner warnings don't lie....im glad you called out and are still here
@lawrencejohnrobinson48432 ай бұрын
A+ for dramatization, but a much better option would be to read her book, "And I Alone Survived." Much greater accurate detail from Lauren herself.
@WombatofDOOM53Ай бұрын
i read the book when it first came out, and just finished reading it again today. I agree with you that reading her book is an excellent option, and it's a very quick read. I knocked it out in just over a day. The film footage from the movie was fairly interesting as I hadn't seen it before, but the narration was dull as dirt. The information was pretty much straight out of the book, but the narrator was so monotone that I nearly fell asleep. I have produced and directed voice work for audio drama, so this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
@trulymichiganaerialrandycl48733 ай бұрын
Incredible!
@Emy532 ай бұрын
What is wrong with our society? This woman clearly needed help, and she was turned away. If you are that scared, call the police.
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
No excuses for someone not giving her a hot drink, a warm blanket and calling for help....that poses no danger
@sueknight3871Ай бұрын
It is well worth reading the book Lauren wrote about this "I Alone Survived".
@godizself12 ай бұрын
What a story of tenacity. Why she didn't put on her boyfriend shoes is perplexing. Blind trust is not always good.
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
Have you ever walked, hiked in shoes far too big and loose.....your much more likely to fall down a cliff and get seriously injured...
@cliftonsargent15723 ай бұрын
You sir would be my 2nd pick if I was planning an out door adventure, first pick of course would be a trained survivalist BUT the knowledge you have would be very important on what to avoid
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
Haha I appreciate my 2nd ranking. I'm like Anthony Hopkins character in the movie "The Edge." Have a ton of knowledge. Thankfully, have never put it in practice.
@philippal86663 ай бұрын
I think I’d go with the knowledge of generally what not to do. Well…. what to not do in the outdoors. Gives me extra options. I think this lady probably had learnt things from her father. She had knowledge and ideas as well as location accuracy… I’m going with that (I mean after these a subscription to Garmin would be my survival tip for everything, especially in the sea, if my phone wasn’t so good.)
@cliftonsargent15723 ай бұрын
@@outdoordisasters no one wants to have your knowledge but if anything happens you are invaluable!
@katim26443 ай бұрын
Thank God for a LIGHTER in the DASH and EMPTY BEER in the back.
@villagelightsmith43752 ай бұрын
I ALWAYS have those feelings of "doom & gloom" at the beginning of any venture of any kind. Welcome, back to Earth! Jd
@Bob-gn8ph3 ай бұрын
What a story 😮thank you for your work❤John 3,16 ❤
@fcandido73 ай бұрын
What a strong woman!!
@BalzarRitchin3 ай бұрын
Way to go, Jay. You're the man. I'll bet your friends were really impressed with that stunt. Like Nike says, Just do it, taking along as many naively trusting friends as possible. Who needs Death Valley with amateur weekend pilots around?
@lydiagould3090Ай бұрын
Amazing story Imagine surviving all that only to be told to go twice! What a shite town!
@kelleymoore6080Ай бұрын
I wonder if this flight was in the area that is basically known as the Nevada version of the Bermuda Triangle. A lot of planes have been lost in the area and it has to do with the air currents... It's an interesting documentary.
@LilDitBit3 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@CLAelev13 ай бұрын
“Empty beer bottles???
@Useryofcsdnx3 ай бұрын
RIGHT Thought same thing like wtf?
@bocadelcieloplaya38523 ай бұрын
it's california...their very environmentally conscious: reuse, recycle.
@tphvictims51013 ай бұрын
I suffer from prefertogo. I prefer to go to lower places.
@speedfreak82003 ай бұрын
I suffer from prefertogolo .... I keep my tootsies on the earth 🌎 planes fascinate me but too chicken to fly
@SkiSkillsMontana3 ай бұрын
John JKrakauer.Did a great article on this
@jeskeepinitrealАй бұрын
Do NOT ever ignore your gut.
@MaryDoyle-xl2ri3 ай бұрын
My god what a horrible story very well told O D happy and sad 2 died and one was saved best wishes to her very brave love your channel❤️❤️🎼🎼
@WalterM-762x553 ай бұрын
5:41 Who is flying the chase plane doing the inflight recordings of the crashed plane, and how did they get out without crashing?
@kaylanforbes38792 ай бұрын
In the top left corner “re-enacted courtesy And I Alone Survived”
@TheWriterWalker3 ай бұрын
Angels helped this amazing young survivor.
@graemewatson22963 ай бұрын
I thought this was yet another AI fiction, but it is true......Amazing lady! When things get tough, I'd be on her team, backing her up with everything I could.
@kamakaziozzie30388 күн бұрын
I know my share of pilots. And none of them would attempt to cross peaks at those altitudes in a naturally aspirated engine. With that amount of weight, high wing Cessna’s have very limited performance at those altitudes (>8,000ft). Never get onboard a private aircraft without asking how many hours your pilot has in that type.
@jilliancapodiferro111519 күн бұрын
❤SHE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HER INSTINCTS
@dreamofmermaids3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, it's the Sierra Nevada. Singular not plural.
@QuantumStellarАй бұрын
Yay, someone pronounced Nevada the proper way!!! its not nevauda...like some people say.
@joonsmelodie99273 ай бұрын
April Strikes Again.
@eschw24443 ай бұрын
Trying to head down the mountain vs. staying and hoping rescue will find you. Such a hard decision. I wonder if rescue would have found her in time if she had stayed?
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
Her saving grace was the crash site. She probably saw US-395 which is a major highway in the eastern side of the state. She knew exactly where to go.
@GenelleSmay20 күн бұрын
I dont care how old she is, its illegal to refuse to help to a person who asks right? WTF?
@wintercame22 күн бұрын
Empty beer bottles?? 11:36
@Biker65Ай бұрын
I can't believe they turned her away. Who would do that?
@ALLROY2406 күн бұрын
Townspeople terrorized by the Manson cult.
@dm-2194Ай бұрын
Never, ever go fly with a doctor! Period!
@erhardspies45033 ай бұрын
At first I could not understand those people why they refused help. But when I heard they were afraid of the Manson Family, I understood better. Just remember the murder of Sharon Tate!
@RobertJohnson-gk2gj3 ай бұрын
When it’s your day, it’s your day, when it’s not, it’s not, God & His Angels will help, for God has His plans for you & me.
@jimumble63552 ай бұрын
Awesome woman
@americanwoman62463 ай бұрын
Is it just me or does he sound kind of sad telling this one?
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
I'm good! Thanks for your concern.
@Ja50nkAt3 ай бұрын
She's one tough cookie!
@underdogdalton13773 ай бұрын
16k views with only 954 likes people it takes just a split sec to hit that like button to support the channel
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@Traceishere3 ай бұрын
am not happy that those people denied her any help, karma will come one day,
@jmh2105Ай бұрын
Whenever i hear Death Valley... especially a "Fly Over" by small plane Unless we are carrying a 4 thousand gallon impervious Water Bladder, And Are meeting Military S & R Bataillon Flying with Military Flight Instructors Flying... and a Gvn is to my head on Three Sides- NO WAY! i also have learned My Lesson re: Listening to my instincts! Develop Them, and Listen to them implicitly!!! ignore them to your Peril! For My 'Lesson' i had to have Fingers Reattached! My instincts Told me to Leave That Job That Morning!! Sadly i fought against them.
@jgwents2 ай бұрын
Incredible woman.
@Alpha1111Omega3 ай бұрын
Omgg can't hold my eyes open. Is this a lullaby or a STORY OF SURVIVAL??? pls stop it if you don't want! Does someone force you? Blink 2 time if so.
@Rob-metoo52726 күн бұрын
What is wrong with those people that didn't help her
@ALLROY2406 күн бұрын
It was all explained, it made sense, sad it was though.
@danmimis45763 ай бұрын
1. Great survival story. I don't understand why was she hallucinating (no head injury was mentioned) after only one day of harsh conditions when other people functioned for tens or even hundreds of days in worse circumstances. 2. After her horrible experience at the 1st hotel she should have tried the police station, not another hotel at the other end of the city ...
@BoringTroublemaker3 ай бұрын
She had broken teeth. That’s a pretty good indicator that she hit her head. Not to mention that even without hitting your head directly, your brain can be damaged by being bounced around inside your skull from your body being thrown around - like what happens in a car accident or… a plane crash.
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
How about dehydration, hypothermia, shock, trauma, exhaustion.....seriously, you can't see that?
@mightymouse1005Ай бұрын
HER survival and effects are not based on everyone else... Is YOUR survival chances based on everyone else or on you???
@Heather_T3 ай бұрын
Amazing lady.
@thomasmyers91283 ай бұрын
When you need to worry about 1 or 2 extra pounds…. Then you need a bigger engine before it meets my standards 😮
@TheWriterWalker3 ай бұрын
Lauren Elder!
@awesome_comment2 ай бұрын
What is wrong with that stupid town!
@Andy-Ferdrew3 ай бұрын
Again: "If you Plan to fail ..." Really ..? 😮👎💀💀
@johnbarroll11202 ай бұрын
Looks like Ali Mcgraw
@thomasmyers91283 ай бұрын
It’s called a Hee bee gee bee’s …. It goes right up your back… then neck They are generally accurate 😮
@justbe14512 ай бұрын
Cigarette lighters in an airplane, I am surprised.
@kenwilson7951Ай бұрын
And don't forget beer bottles
@HealThyAse3 ай бұрын
Whoooo hoooo here early
@EverythingisWajo3 ай бұрын
Lauren is a tough resourceful survivor.
@ZSKadar-ns5jc3 ай бұрын
Oh my God! What a Woman! She's just a spot on! And how good dad could her father be to teach his dear daughter all this spirit! God bless them all! ❤❤❤❤❤
@albertochoa73312 ай бұрын
Determine not to give up. Until the LORD calls you Home.
@cheriberry634717 күн бұрын
These stories... You have NO IDEA what they were thinking.. This is no more then storytime with sometime. It annoys me to no end that these poor ppl, you're narrating a their story. Not knowing nothing. Their thoughts, are THEIR thoughts not yours. you just add what you think is interesting enough to get likes
@donnacollins135623 күн бұрын
I was really enjoying your content, But I enjoyed the human narrator this is so flat sounding I had to leave I hope I can find some that still have a human speaking ty
@andrewbrown65223 ай бұрын
Beer bottles, missing bodies, barefoot...? Sure... i believe her story.
@RLHAndJMH3 ай бұрын
I still would love to know the name of both motels that turned her away!! Straight up cruel!!!!
@sf91453 ай бұрын
Remember, this was many years ago...
@outdoordisasters3 ай бұрын
Well, to their credit, they apologized to her at the hospital. They felt bad it seems, thinking they were Manson family members.