Plant Science That Isn’t Really Talked About! (Garden Talk #59)

In this episode of Garden Talk, I interview BluegrassGreenthumb. He is big into the natural farming approach and he’s also big into plant science. In this episode he talks about a lot of plant science that isn’t really taught or even talked about much. What plants do you like to grow? Peppers, citrus trees, house plants, lettuce, carrots, let us know in the comments section below. If you enjoyed this video please click that thumbs up button :)
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00:00 - Montage & Podcast Intro
01:49 - Sponsors
02:54 - Introduction
05:31 - Nutritive Cycle Theory
06:55 - Does pH Down Kill Microbes?
08:11 - IMO
14:51 - Books & Sources on IMO
17:37 - Misconceptions About Different Inputs
22:08 - Hormones
27:13 - Paclobutrazol
29:22 - Enzymes
31:58 - Photosynthetic Bacteria & Nitrogen Fixing Plants
37:24 - Hermaphrodites
42:00 - Preventing Hermaphrodites
43:57 - Epigenetics
47:13 - Final Words
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Johannes Bornlöf - An Introduction 4
Christopher Shorooi - Tales

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Thanks to BluegrassGreenthumb for coming onto the podcast today! BluegrassGreenthumb's Instagram- bit.ly/3NGujZw

[@JB-ed9rt]

Top of the afternoon Mr. PATIENCE.. you definitely inspired me to do more research on plant life and the biology of plants.. What books do you recommend?? Also you don't know it. But you going to interview me one day.

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

@@JB-ed9rt One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka can change your life. 💚

[@klenmcrock5265]

Just had an epiphany.. You're like the Joe Rogan of cannabis podcasting, except you don't have live guests in your studio. Lol. Love the content you provide.

[@JB-ed9rt]

@@bluegrassgreenthumb I am going to look into that

[@spincitynyc809]

I'd really love for you to get another DWC grower on the show. I'd also love to hear you have growers talk about seed banks and what to avoid. One of the hardest parts about getting started is finding the right genetics. I spent lots on my lights and grow tent and skimped on the genetics and it's something I want people to avoid without having to call out any particular brand. Thanks for your content!

[@bluntkushner2371]

Really appreciate that you keep the relaxed friendly mode in every interview, and From the Stash has the same mode. Makes it easier to focus on what is said,. No music, no product mention every minute. Just great advice and knowledge, Thanks

[@savetheplantet5799]

I have a GREAT source... Gardentalk Baby!!! Chris this show is soooo important to the entire 🌎. Thank you again and again brother.

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

Thank God for Chris. He gets all the information out from the best.

[@dubsbarry9963]

Chris, man you are such a great host! You're so easy to listen to, never coming off in a "too opinionated" attitude, and always asking legitimate, clear and concise questions. Absolutely love this interview series.

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

Thanks so much for your positive words! It's comments like this that keep me going. Cheers! 🌱

[@davidbryden7904]

It's interesting to hear y'all talking about adapting a particular cultvare to a new environment (41:22). I remember back in the early 70's when these cats in Southern California had imported a certain Indica strain to grow locally. It proved to be kinda difficult bc the latitude, elevation, soil, and climate were all so different. It took a while, but soon enough that original "bloodline" was growing, in different hybrids, up and down the state. From Fallbrook to Humboldt, and many, many other locals, growers had created new strains for their particular microclimate. It was an amazing time to be part of the "community". It's very cool how this "community" has evolved into a much more scientific approach to growing.

[@MrPablo1uk]

Hey Chris, I'd love to hear someone talk about land races, how they differ from modern day genetics etc

[@higherintellect]

Land races are essentially a certain genetic which has self evolved over years in one area without being disturbed by outside genetics. Essentially only self pollination from the same genetics.

[@Triangle0ffence3x]

@@higherintellect this 💯

[@ceo2215]

All new genetics originated from landrace strains.

[@ironindica7342]

The future cannabis project just put a episode out on land race strains.

[@MrPablo1uk]

@@ironindica7342 they did, have you seen it? As with a lot of their videos, the quality is poor and the guy who is talking cuts out every 3rd word, its painful. Also, that episode is geared specifically towards African land races.

[@jdl.1234]

Another great interview👍👍👍. Ive been using a KNF Combo technique for 3 years. I build soil then use KNF to assist. Only FFJ, IMO, LAB and JMS JADAM when watering. Chris Trump's Videos are an excellent source of KNF info.

[@ceo2215]

JADAM is the way ✔️👌🏿💯 #KOD 4YRS now

[@xx7101]

What about the OHN yo?

[@jdl.1234]

@@xx7101 I have it OHN, but dont think its necessary for indoor grows. Just my opinion.

[@ceo2215]

@@xx7101 good for overall health 💪🏿

[@jwgrower81]

Great video bro u always have the coolest people on here cheers

[@TCheidrich]

Thanks guys!!! One of the best episodes ever!!!!

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

🙏🏼 so glad you enjoyed hearing me ramble! 😂

[@dennisthegrower]

I love hearing Weed stories. Like fishing stories. I get a good laugh everyday watching U tube weed channels. Thank you for the content.

[@dannystout7715]

Great talk, thanks Chris keep um coming.

[@Dab_Marino]

Aye #59 👌 Cheers Mr. Grow It 🔥💨🤙

[@jdcjr50]

Thanks for the intro into the science of cannabis auxins.

[@travislausier7109]

Awesome info, great details to geek out on. Also big thumbs up to Jeff Lowenfels, great author and like you I find myself going back to those books.

[@OrangeGenerator]

Garden Talk makes weekend morning and chills feel somewhat productive with learning.

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

😎🤓

[@aaronfaucett6442]

Reminds me of making a sourdough starter, where you're collecting IMO's from the air. I'm going to make a sourdough starter and feed it to my soil. I'll keep you posted

[@kimpekkonen4204]

One of the most interesting talks! Was listening curiously through the end. I think he has a good point about herm hormone signaling. I mean everything plant do is based on hormones and that's why im looking forward to see how research goes. And was kind of confused that some don't believe epigenetics.. I mean what's not to believe it? And it's kind of not a debatable wether you believe or not. Animals are driven by epigenetic factors, it's big part of evolution and it has big role how genes expresses itself in different environments.

[@alphaomega8373]

Genetic drift is when you mess around with the plant while high.

[@cory4419]

Ur the man when it comes to information brother I appreciate you

[@fammunguia]

AAWWWEE...YYEEEEAAAA. Another great video. Keep them coming Mr. Growit. I'm using FAA, FPJ, FJJ, and Jadam.. all great but I'm not quite educated on them. Thank you for the content.

[@bryanwiley6760]

Chris I learn more from this show then another!!!! I watch all of them and KEEP IT UP

[@moustachemike3098]

Great episode! Thank you Blue! Thank you Chris!

[@illhellmuss420]

another great talk!🙏🏻💚🙏🏻 and a lovely cat!❤️

[@frostyfree]

Excellent . You know how to ask the right questions . Get the most out of your guests . You are getting good at this . Hope you make a million

[@beepar5248]

This was what the people needed 🤜🏼🤛🏼

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

💚💚💚

[@thomascross8339]

Great stuff. You're my boy blue!

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

💚

[@littlenugs9942]

Great job guys tons of knowledge. Well worthe the 30 min if my life to shut down and listen. Every guest Chris is off the chain. Love this channel keep it up

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

💚💚💚

[@pamelajohnson5056]

Another great episode 😃

[@grecomedico]

Excellent episode! Love the science!

[@ejethrogaede4890]

Great conversation, info...Mr. Grow It, Keep on spreading the word =))!

[@ceo2215]

Good point on the hermies. I found some good stuff out of hermies Even started with hermies, just gotta do serious selective breeding 👀👌🏿

[@luisfolavarria]

Another great interview! Insightful questions and well thought out responses! Love the science based approach! Great job!

[@jeremyhula931]

Awesome.

[@marshallartist2012]

Great one thanks 💚💪😁

[@daytonaexpress7160]

I was really hoping to hear about making your own nutrients or what plant waste can be left a top your garden to break down into proper food.

[@visible720]

I have to agree with everything he said. It's all how you look at it!

[@npklife4205]

Another dank episode! Thank you

[@barbaramathews5086]

i had a plant pop nanners and seeded and the seeds ive grown have all been females with some herm traits but not all

[@growshack9067]

Bagseed usually are fems or herms

[@barbaramathews5086]

@@growshack9067 it was seeds i bought and hermed and the seeds i kept i grew and every one was a female but one threw nanners

[@ashnel7663]

Watchiled this like 3 times already such a great episode

[@42organicgrow10]

Extremely interesting and helpful ! Thank You guys !

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Loads of fun with ferments and checking the nutrients available with goodnute testmeter .

[@davidsalmela1563]

✌❤from Arizona. Thanks for sharing. Another great video.

[@stevetwix9742]

Great vid 👍

[@GCOSO]

Chris please do something on Bio Bizz line of soil and nutrients. Here or on the stash podcast

[@hewasdeadwhenigotthere46]

This dude knows whats up

[@jasonz9902]

I was once in a large field of natural weed in Bhutan. The main use for it there is for animal feed they say it keeps the pigs happy, but some hash is made too. It was early summer so nothing was budding except one plant. It was really sticking out above the rest and of course I needed to investigate. I dried and smoked it and I don't recall if it had seeds but it stoned me real good. I have wondered about the one plant in a field of thousands, why was that one and only that one blooming early.? Genetics most likely.

[@boots1166]

Mahaloz 🤙🏽from Hawaii

[@lowprogrow1603]

Always great content Fam

[@jeffhill5843]

good show

[@mauricecalliss1303]

YESSSS ANOTHER SIX YEAR ROOKIE LIKE ME.

[@420Trees]

Awesomeness

[@ceo2215]

Very good point on the hormones, I'm actually working on that right now myself 💆🏾‍♂️💪🏿 definitely makes sense. How about the feminized hormone solution in the transition stage 🤔

[@daewonsong3668]

you should make a podcast with Horacio Poderoso. He has established the best brand of fertilizers in Argentina. The brand is called PHITONAT

[@b_lumenkraft]

No, BluegrassGreenthumb, you said that wrong. Darwin didn't say survival of the strongest. He said survival of the FITTEST. This distinction is really important. The ones fitting best into a given environment survive. Sometimes those are the weak.

[@420Trees]

Correct 💯

[@tunahanguven4652]

Thanks Chris. Hermie plant produce only hermie?

[@mauricecalliss1303]

I was feeding ferments and wen I wanted to selfie some seeds nothing I could do could make them produce femonized pollen. big realisation for me that one was.

[@scottinsierras2945]

So can you tell us the benefit to using IMO, compared to using regular nutrients. Time factor?

[@littlenugs9942]

For cloning if came up with a fermented serum equal parts ginger, cinnamon, and aloe. After testing I found I had roots from healthy moms within 4 days. 3 days in some and 5 on others and this is in peat moss as well. Best of luck 🤞

[@ceo2215]

Add honey to that 💪🏿💯

[@littlenugs9942]

@@ceo2215 ty for the tip! I'll look into it. And the honey could I (imagine) will thicken it up a little

[@ceo2215]

@@littlenugs9942 definitely give it more hold. But you got the mix fam 💪🏿💯

[@littlenugs9942]

@@ceo2215 ty

[@johnnyb4869]

To me Knf makes things confusing just not my style

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

Would love to chat and make it less confusing for you if you’re ever interested. It’s pretty simple when it’s explained clearly. Just hard to cram everything you need to know into a short interview. Feel free to message me on IG if you ever want to learn more. 🙏🏼

[@johnnyb4869]

@@bluegrassgreenthumb I’ve listened to Chris Trump a lot and it’s just not my thing

[@romanreckless8263]

@@johnnyb4869 check out jadam then... it's much simpler!

[@mauricecalliss1303]

We all seem to forget how clever plants really are. They produce exudates for a reason and if you add something to its detriment thinking it's a good thing. It's a whole big rabbithole .feed the bacterias and the roots will feed the plant with those bacterias etc etc

[@SignorAveya]

Nice content 😊

[@michaelquitko1540]

His cottonmouth is killing me 😅

[@mauricecalliss1303]

I like to try alsorys of things and wen something works then I want to know how it made it work so then your another rabbithole and 2 months or years later and you've researched like on a master's degree in everything. There the gems we all love to realize and wen you've done that it makes you feel really good .

[@osseosse72]

Hi. Love your garden talks. Thanks for education as. I haveA question. I just bought the book teaming up microbes, and as you say it heavy to understand when you're a beginner. Someone who has some suggestions for a book that is a little easier to read

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Not heared anyone mention yet sterilizing your ferments to just leave ions. and feed like hydro. pon. Just a thought

[@kiddynamite3931]

I just wanted to ask if you have could either grow out one of my strains (I've never given anyone, or sold a single bean), or do a LED vs HPS challenge???

[@DavidGonzalez-jv1uf]

I have two plants of which are herrmanefides. And I did not give said plant any hormones

[@stakz5]

We all into bro science so this was a great video

[@stigstrad4552]

Hi. Love your garden talks. Thanks for education as. I have A question. I just bought the book teaming up microbes, and as you say it heavy to understand when you're a beginner. Someone who has some suggestions for a book that is a little easier to read on the Microbes subject

[@leftyslimm7222]

The same author's TEEMING WITH NUTRIENTS is a better jumping off place, if you haven't read it

[@j5.pho20]

I wonder if Bluegrass Greenthumb is a Greensky Bluegrass in the grow room kind of guy 🤔

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

🤷🏼‍♂️🤫

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Aim for a multi diverse compost and REPOT wen need to and the plant will do the rest.

[@tory464]

👍

[@johndoebro9724]

Yeah

[@vutu6674]

Is any one here using Advanced Nutrients? My plant has symptom of nitrogen toxicity, so I want to cut down N from base nutrients I use which are Micro, Grow, Bloom. I’m in week 5 flowering so I want to stop using Micro and Grow. Is that a possible thing to do? Or I have to use all?

[@andreanvfx3901]

Cheeers first :D

[@TCheidrich]

Just like the one with Dr Bruce Bugbee!!!

[@roberttaggart5757]

Chris, Why do leaves claw ? Cheers

[@busyb4283]

Water or light, to much water more than likely. Or light/heat stress

[@roberttaggart5757]

@@busyb4283 your right just after a pot up properly soaked too much, cheers

[@busyb4283]

@@roberttaggart5757 let her dry up some, she will rebound into a healthy vibrant girl!!

[@romanreckless8263]

Leaves also claw from nitrogen toxicity... dark green leaves that have the claw...

[@freedom_born]

Heat and light stress. Too hot or light too close/intense.

[@RicoRodriguezGrows]

What happens to microbes when brewing with higher purity oxygen? Does it split them into super microbes?

[@terryseldon7446]

🤔

[@greggrease1377]

Can you liquid culture mycellium and inoculate it that or oats and then introduce it my soil

[@freedom_born]

Ground up plain oats can be sprinkled into transplant holes - sparingly though - it’s supposed to act as a rooting stimulant - although only anecdotal, no hard science on it. As mentioned, sparingly shouldn’t be a problem. It’ll help promote fungal growth regardless, so that in itself should theoretically increase the uptake of nutrients to encourage more roots, cos they’ll attach to the fungi like how Mykos and Great White work (inoculation). There’s also people that say it’s useful for soil dressing keeping pests away, it’s alleged to expand when ingested - but, not many bugs would eat it anyway, they’re after live plant material. Only the soil microbes would be affected… but not negatively depending how much you use. But again, oats usually become a fungal/mold ‘enhancement’ Just for the record, I’ve sprinkled some into holes. Can’t say I noticed a growth spurt but it didn’t do any harm to the plants.

[@greggrease1377]

@@freedom_born thanks for the advice will use bro

[@freedom_born]

Sorry to write up a whole damn essay man. Good luck brother. Happy growing 🤙🏽

[@greggrease1377]

@@freedom_born naw appreciated my guy its cool

[@raydhyne5049]

✌️☮️☘️

[@chn-su7lw]

No Dutch pro plug!

[@mauricecalliss1303]

I'm not a flake cake by the way. All that children of light thing . Although I do like flakes and cakes etc theure made of light too. Lmao

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Common sense is always the best tool in the box.

[@Sproutt]

It’s pronounced Maron”guy” (like Gi-a in Gia Green)

[@brownguy9920]

This is the first time I heard anyone say you have to use all the KNF products together. If that's the case count me out. I love the idea of it but I don't want to be running all over collecting IMOs and dealing with fish and loads and loads and loads of brown sugar and jars and milk and oat and OMG....nah I'm off the bandwagon

[@PabloCuellarB]

I've had some issues with sugar ants and root mealybugs in my grow before, so using Knf recipes, which all use brown sugar, seems like a risk to me. How do you manage that in an outdoor potted grow?

[@ianjimenez9769]

You always use FPJ and vinegar 1:1 for this reason. Also the dilution is 1:500. So just under 8ml per gallon of water.

[@innuthelife412]

Science at is finest. I got a new channel innu the life. Bless up kings and queens 😎👍🏿🇯🇲👍🏿🍵

[@niknik7470]

KNF to me is people basically saying "I can't tell you exactly how this works but trust me. Just follow this process exactly and don't question anything. Any and all questions will be answered by either 1. Its microbes 2. The soil knows what its doing 3. Nature knows better that you." To me it's more faith based than science based and I'm an atheist

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

I can explain the science behind any part of KNF if you have specific questions. It’s generally taught with more basic analogies because the science is deep and is more to grasp than the average person can keep up with on top of everything else at first. The system works when it’s done correctly, regardless if you know the exact science of what’s going on. I have spent the last 5 years unpacking it all though and more than happy to talk about it!

[@GerryRR]

Pretty much - very little actual chemistry knowledge involved. When people say things like "nobody fertilizes the forest and look how lush they are" it's a good sign their understanding is very surface-level. Why? Because Nobody is harvesting the forests, so of course nobody needs to fertilize them. When you harvest a field of crops you're removing biomass and all the atomic elements they have accumulated and will have to replenish the system somehow.

[@STONERY-BAND]

👍🏻👍🏻😎⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🖖🏻✌🏻

[@xx7101]

"Oriental herbal nutrient" whooat?

[@shawnburnett22]

how does nature do a tea ? he said we are trying to mimic mother nature

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

Feel free to shoot me a message on IG and I’d be more than happy to have this conversation with you. 🙏🏼

[@freedom_born]

Insect Frass is basically broken down decomposed bugs. That’s sold as a soil feed. Bugs die all the time in nature and fall to the foot of trees. Coincidentally where rainfall soaks it into soils. That’s natures tea right there. Also, even precipitation affects certain species. Sea water helps produce hydrologic cycles that contribute to earth’s water cycle. That water is chock filled with minerals and (micro/macro) nutrients. So yeah, food for thought. Keep that in mind.

[@shawnburnett22]

@@freedom_born great thank you

[@freedom_born]

All good. It’s like when people use banana teas, that’s the same as over ripened bananas falling out the tree and fertilising the ground. The same as dead leaves (ex: compost tea). There’s also certain auxins and acids that plants produce, that we try to mimic all the time. Those are essentially just concentrated plant juices plants normally produce. Not so much a “tea” per se, but still a natural concoction of minerals. Something we copy on the regular. Too many examples to name

[@FormerAmericanIdol]

Love the show and hope to see many more but so many episodes just focus on "recreating nature" and organic nonsense. What makes you think nature is the optimal setting for growing plants? Plants grow with what they are given... poor compacted soil, too dry, too wet, too little sun, too cold at night, too hot in the day... Thats natural, it's not ideal, but that nature... Not ideal. People put a plant under artificial light, stunt their root spread, unnaturally provide nutrient sources/waterings/co2... But still trying to recreate natural, what if you tried to create OPTIMAL growing conditions not just natural. You aren't trying to make a plant that can survive nature's harsh conditions, you're trying to make a plant fat and happy during it's short lifespan. You can go be happy outside, play in the dirt, be one with all the bugs, but just because that's where plants were born doesn't mean that's where they need or want to be 🤷

[@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt]

I think this is a great point. We actually filmed a From The Stash episode talking all about "Should We Emulate Nature?" I hope to have that released sometime this month because your points are brought up within it. Will definitely spark a debate. Cheers

[@FormerAmericanIdol]

@@GardenTalkwithMrGrowIt Great I'll definitely check it out. And not trying to be too harsh on the organic stuff, I've done my fair share, but it's often pushed too hard like it's the "right way to grow" when it's just ANOTHER way to grow. Seems like so many people have misconceptions about "hydro" or "synthetic nutrients" because back in the day they got some mass produced mildew smelling garbage Beasters. It really but a bad taste in people's mouth both figuratively and literally. Now the very best stuff is grown with care, indoors, under strict environmental conditions while constantly being fed nutrients. It's not the only way, but in no way should be frowned on or ever thought to be inferior either.

[@bluegrassgreenthumb]

I definitely appreciate your point of view! To each their own 100%. For me personally, it goes a little further than just growing plants. Sustainability and and overall genuine care and appreciation for all life on our planet. These methods described also aim to make the Earth a healthier place for all of us and those after us. 💚

[@OkieGrower75]

Real KNF Growers would never use acids on plants. Come on Chris. Tons of legit growers out there. Lets talk to them please.😜

[@306choicegenetics4]

Audio wasn't all that well this eps

[@LittleGronk-yv2tf]

Damn dude, "the inputs" somebody real bored count how many times he says that, lol. This video could of been 5 or 6 minutes long.

[@chrisbethmann3955]

Lost me right away, no idea what imo is

[@napoleonsmith7793]

How about seed media and type of led instead of florescents warm cool bulbs. Thanks.