Plato - Getting It All Wrong | What the Hell is Philosophy Anyway? | Polandball/Countryball History

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*Bonus reading below: Why Philosophy Matters & Why Can’t I Win Any Political Arguments?* 🥰Patreon: www.patreon.com/CallMeEzekiel ▶KZbin Memberships: kzbin.info/door/nZ1r94_Ptz_1gN5VBnE0Mgjoin ⭐SubscribeStar: www.subscribestar.com/CallMeEzekiel 🙏PayPal: www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=EAQPBZ8VHGFL6 📚Main sources: 🏛The Republic: amzn.to/3UdT6qo 🤔Socrates and the Sophists: amzn.to/3NqaV3g 🧠Plato Five Dialogs: amzn.to/3U3Y9KA Note: As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Crypto: 💸 🟠BTC: bc1qj2szqj0h0rj2zz5x0zdhr8fzrh85zmatwxht26 🔵ETH: 0x0344A4aF3eCe5F8E5C0f65FC4c7eB667bf31cD60 You can also watch us on... 👀 ❤Odysee: odysee.com/@CallMeEzekiel 💚Rumble: rumble.com/CallMeEzekiel 💬*Bonus reading:* “Why should I care about something like metaphysics? It’s just an abstract concept - with no connection to my life.” This is an approximation of a common belief I encounter when discussing philosophy with people. Here is my response to it… This statement is similar to a man who lives his entire life on the sixth story of a skyscraper saying: “Why should I care about something like the first floor of this building? It’s just an abstract concept - with no connection to my life.” But if that first floor were to collapse, it would take him with it. Putting this analogy aside, let’s consider science - something with massive applications to our everyday lives (biology for medicine, geology for agriculture, physics for computers, etc.). Science relies on fundamental metaphysical and epistemological beliefs. For example, if our senses can’t be fully trusted, as philosophers like Plato would claim, then science (which requires observation as a key step) is inherently invalid and not a worthy pursuit. This is a way in which even the most abstract philosophical concepts can influence your life. However, if the senses are valid, as the subject of our next video will claim, then science is possible. So to answer the question in a sentence: Whether you realize it or not, philosophy is at the root of everything in your life. A note on political philosophy: Political philosophy is not a stand-alone field - which is how many people today try to study it. It’s really built atop metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics. This is why it’s hard to win political arguments. Most political disagreements are, in actuality, ethical disagreements. So to convince someone on a political point, you’ll usually have to convince them on an ethical point first. But that can get complicated by the fact that ethical disagreements often result from epistemological ones, and epistemological disagreements are usually the result of metaphysical ones. This causes many political arguments to rapidly degenerate into metaphysical arguments. But since most people have no idea how to argue something like “reality is real” or “this is how I know my senses can be trusted,” they either just give up on proving their points or do everything they can to avoid the conversation getting there - seeing it as a sign of some kind of failure. But it’s not a sign of failure; it’s only a sign that the disagreement is on a more fundamental level. By the way, learning how to argue metaphysics and epistemology won’t magically give you the ability to convince everyone of any thing - no one has that kind of power. It just helps you prove your point to any 3rd parties listening in - which is the only way to get something productive out of an argument.

[@beavatatlan]

I feel dumb now

[@segir187]

@Μάριος Ιωάννης Σκαρλέτος it's not a Slav - it's a Macedonian. The modern Macedonian flag is derived from the ancient Macedonian flag - and those Macedonians certainly were not Slavs. So basically: that's another kind of Greek... sorta, maybe, probably - it's complicated, but they're closely related. Idk about the Turk tho, that one's confusing

[@fritobandito5374]

@@segir187 Ionian colonies were on the western coast of modern day Turkey

[@bobsaggat]

Imagine that. A philosopher builds a society where philosphers are king

[@lovablesnowman]

I for one am shocked

[@callmefox630]

I have now made a new ideology where Gamers are the highest members of society. We live in a Gamer Society.

[@bristianmemequisition]

Nothing would get done

[@fite-4-ever876]

You'll be suprised to learn that as a historian I've often considered the idea of historian king.

[@JBGARINGAN]

@@callmefox630 let's hope they aren't micromanagers because society would degenerate into a tyrannical totalitarian surveillance state, they would want to know everything and no one's privacy would be safe all to achieve as efficient a society possible. They would get involved in every facet of your life and want to eliminate all "unnecessary and excess" aspects of it, you wouldn't have any recreational activites or rather would be limited to one or two of them. Imagine that, of all the hobbies and games you like to do you must now choose two to play for the rest of your life. One of those slots would definitely minecraft for me but I am scared of choosing what the other would be because that's it for good. Your work hours would he increased, days off and weekends reduced, and not even reduced wages they would be done away with entirely and just bread handed to you. There would be no going to restaurants for or buying tasty food just the cheapest nutritious food is distributed as a form of currency. Meat might be abandoned entirely for its inherent inefficiency, cows, pigs, and chickens though their growth rate is enhanced quite considerably by our selective breeding over millenia and our genetic modification is still a process that takes quite some time, we would probably switch all to grain for bread production along with rice and potatoes. Fish however would be a good alternative for meat. Maybe a culinary underground culture arises as people deal taste packets and old sauces, the people who saved all those ketchups become the new big drug dealers. Rural people would probably have a more tasteful diet as they aren't as heavily monitored as people in the megacity, they just need to keep up their food quotas and they are left alone, also they have access to long forgotten food secrets which they get to enjoy. Kind of like how in 1984 Winston enjoys the countryside as opposed to his city life. All buildings would be bulldozed or reconstructed to make way for or contribute to giant housing bloc megastructues (think Coruscant and Stellaris) that will cover so many square miles of surface area that if the roofs were to be painted either white or black the global average temperature could increase or decrease by 1 degree C. There will be no gradual incline from rural to suburban to urban it will be quite a dramatic contrast, agricultural fields for miles and then suddenly the megastructure. No one will have an individual room for themselves, as that is a waste of space, rather everyone would be contented with living in barracks like living quarters filled down rank and file with bunkbeds, all bathrooms would be like barracks or public bathrooms too, their comforts and features are reduced to the bare minimum. It would be like a 40k Hive City that wasted material on the decorative gothic architecture upper class levels isn't wasted, so more like Cold War Eastern European and Soviet apartment buildings but all squeezed together. Most structures within the housing blocs would be plain flat cubic no curves or diagonals if possible. Due to the sheer size of the things better air quality would be more towards the outer walls and exits, so giant ventilation units would be placed at the corners of every square mile. The roof itself however is of such a massive surface area that anything done on it could have a theoretical global impact. Perhaps a layer of soil one foot thick is layed out over the entire roof of the megastructure and grass is planted over it, this would have a direct effect of being able to supply oxygen through the ventilation units and exchange the CO2 produced the living beings within. Overall pretty mundane though you might find some semblance of freedom in the countryside. Also better wipe your histories!

[@stefanmusikic1093]

"What went wrong? Well the Orphic death cult didn't help" - Ezekiel

[@19MAD95]

The IRS subscribed to Plato’s theory of universals. There is a form for everything.

[@SretroOfTheNortheast]

100 likes and no replies?oof

[@alexdreFalke]

Lol didn't expect a Jreg reference in a video about greek philosophy

[@anlasma7942]

Where is it?

[@Grityom]

@@anlasma7942 at the end, the music

[@HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV]

Me neither. I was like "Wait a minute... this sounds familiar..."

[@MahDryBread]

I love the breakdown on philosophy!

[@CivilizedWasteland]

I remember back in college immediately thinking how this resembled authoritarian regimes and the professor was kind of baffled that I said thay. She was like 60 years old and she never made the connection?

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

"But smart people ruling the stupid for their own good is completely different from tyrants ruling everyone else, one is good, the other is evil"

[@krainex]

Akademia moment

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

“W-well you see its different because I am smart and I would never be a dictator!!!”

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This is honestly the only channel where I clicked the bell.

[@VibesChill7991]

The “42” hitchhikers guide to galaxy joke had me 😂.

[@harrshpant8298]

I knew he was smart when he made guides for grand strategy games but damn, this guy is going full big brain time now with politics, history and philosophy XD Although I hope some gaming videos also find their way back to the queue

[@tabithadickerson2525]

he didn't even read the fucking book... "Getting it all wrong" is right, but Plato isn't the one here who got it wrong. Jesus Christ.

[@memeboi6017]

@@tabithadickerson2525are you invoking Jesus’s name as an exclamation, or saying he got it wrong?

[@tabithadickerson2525]

he got it entirely fucking wrong.@@memeboi6017

[@tabithadickerson2525]

no, he's not. read the book yourself. I can't believe someone could get the works of Plato so incredibly wrong.

[@mingchina4499]

Plato must have been the original anti-centrist

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[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

2:18 POLAND CAN INTO *42* ! Edit: I can't believe I literally wrote that comment before the video said "42"! That means towel really is equals 42.

[@studentofhistory718]

Was gunna like but the likes are at 42 so heres your like

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10 more likes than 42 now

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3:57 ah yes the P

[@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569]

It really does bring out the P-nes doesnt it

[@enurrdtand8046]

Some nice music at the end great video 👍

[@DKMperor]

Jreg in the outro, nice

[@howardspeed3479]

I really like your videos on Greek philosophy but I think that slowing down the pace would definitely be off benefit. By that i don't talk slower or smth of the sort but rather to leave some space for "viewer contemplation" over a certain point. You can prob do this by talking for elaborating for a bit longer over a certain idea. Great video tho 😊

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So what are the odds that this "student's" ideas are also going to be wrong? xD

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[@PraniGopu]

What an epic presentation! I knew about Plato's idea of "forms" but never tried to integrate it with his views on human nature, knowledge, ethics, or politics. This video was illuminating.

[@svijetlanradov8235]

This video misrepresents Plato completely. Barely anything is correct.

[@PraniGopu]

@@svijetlanradov8235 Was Plato's idea on forms represented correctly?

[@svijetlanradov8235]

@@PraniGopu No, but to be fair, the Theory of forms is often misunderstood. There are videos on KZbin that explain the ideal forms more accurately. There is one on the channel Pseudo-Psellos and one on the channel E.C. Winsper if you are interested.

[@PraniGopu]

@@svijetlanradov8235 Okay, I found their videos. My knowledge on Plato was rudimentary, but I hope to learn more. Thanks for the references.

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[@thebookman1036]

I saw that reference to hitchhikers, well done

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[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

What's wrong in Plato's theory is that those definitions of "forms" are man-made. Who determines what's called "a three" and what's called "an orange three"? If there's a form of "universal three" why wouldn't be a form for "a three that all of it's leafs are green except one"? It was said in the video that Plato thought there's a form for "a man". Who the said "a man" is one thing that have one general form? Who the heck determines what's "a man" is and what's slightly different than "a man"?!

[@CallMeEzekiel]

Plato actually would have had an answer to this. What you've done with this objection is more or less restate the problem of Universals and Particulars, but with an emphasis on who gets to decide what does and does not get to be a universal. Plato gets around this with the world of forms. You see, if universals (or forms) physically exist somewhere, they'd cease to be subjective, and become objective. Plato thought that he already had proven the objectivity of universals since every human shared concepts such as that of tree - so if everyone shares the concept, that must mean they're all seeing the same objective thing, right? But since Plato couldn't find any universals in our world, he decided that they must exist in their own world. The world of Forms. So to answer your question the way Plato would have... "The forms are not man-made. They are objective. They just don't exist in our world, but in their own world. But you already knew that... you just need to remember harder!" I hope this clears things up!

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

@@CallMeEzekiel I will explain what I meant: Only because all of the people Palto knew shared the same concept of what a three is, doesn't mean the universals are objective. It only means that's what people around him were taught as children. A colorblind person could never understand the concept of red for instance. The concept of red is also a bit different from person to person. i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/7d/c3/b27dc328d421b3c84b472a08a40344cd--men-vs-women-for-men.jpg The concept of almost all things can be very vague from person to person. In fact, the concept of things can be different between different eras/places. In Russian, for instance, there are many different terms for "snow", but I bet there are none in Tuvaluan, where it never snow. Here's another example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKXSi5-Cn52nZ8Um54s (4:54) Not to talk about the minds of Animals and such. Thank you so much for your amazing videos! And thank so much for your kindness to explain! You have an absolutely astonishing channel! (Almost like brain4breakfast...) I've learned a lot about ancient Greece from you and I really hope you will continue with your incredible work!

[@pedrosaraiva5303]

@@CallMeEzekiel hey friend, have you read the Parmenides, Phaedo, The Sophist and the Republic? you seem not to understand plato's theory of forms, it is not fundamented on the fact that every human shares it. otherwise he would have been a disciple of protagoras, which much like berkley, with the exception of his position on god, postulates that human experience is reality itself, he clearly explain in many of his works the difference between objective reality and perceptions or interpretations, and also speaks of how the majority is most of the time mistaken. the theory of forms, or ideas, is part of his metaphysics, which is fundamented on the difference between spirit and matter, , and their respective worlds, the former eternal, and the latter being temporary, and in those works he proves it by dialectic exercises the different essences of those, forms are nothing but the ''shape'' or the aspects of the one, which is relative to both, it is too complex to explain in a single comment, so i will not discuss it with you unless you are interested, but the 2 causes of aristotle don't explain universal, that is why they are ''lesser forms'', that was the reason for heisenbergs critique of aristotelianism and his modern, platonist-based view, while you cannot explain both the experience and matter/space by addressing it directly, he didn't explain it through good means of comparison in the first place, that is the reason for the critique of many neo-platonists of his work, substance-form duality is circular, substance is what occupies form, and form is what is occupied by substance, and let's not even get to his eternalist problems... his explanation of the soul is insatisfactory, hence why he could not explain a universal for human and divine endeavors, such as justice, in a satisfactory way either, that is the whole point of neo-platonism, which reafirms the forms as eternal, objective truths, relative to the hypostases of the same, objective reality, what aristotle calls the ''uncaused cause'', or god. you don't even make a point against the tripartite soul, which is why i think you have not fully read the republic, there is nothing absurd about it, only that which can be reasoned and attested by the very act of being, in fact, modern science confirms that the brain reflects this, being divided in three parts, the reptilian brain, which manages the most basic functions, including basic necessities of the body, the limbic system, which is responsible for emotions in mammals, though not other complex animals, and the neo-cortex, which is the vehicle of reason in this physical world. Reminscence theory is based on the theory of opposites, and the fact that the sensation of learning is similar to remembering, but the main basis we can take from vanilla platonism is that the soul participates of the eternal world, which is attested by it being different from the body, and what aristotle would call both its ''efficient'' and ''final'' cause being clearly distinct from matter, that is why he came with his theory on the one.

[@pedrosaraiva5303]

@@CallMeEzekiel also, either you have some double standars on platonic politics, or you are entirely against arranged marriages by traditional communities, because how are they different? plato wasn't exactly and eugenist on the modern sense of the word, while his views of reproduction (not sex, specifically reproduction) are guillible, all philosophers made mistakes, any reasonable adult should understand this and take what every philosopher has to contribute, just think about aristotle, would it be right to ignore or outright dismiss his logic and his contributions to the theory of art, rhetoric, his contribution to metaphysics and such because of his defense of slavery? or some of his his wrong views about natural phenomena? we should be sensible when taking any author into perspective, even those we highly disagree with

[@pedrosaraiva5303]

@@מ.מ-ה9ד hey friend, have you read the Parmenides, Phaedo, The Sophist and the Republic? you seem not to understand plato's theory of forms, it is not fundamented on the fact that every human shares it. otherwise he would have been a disciple of protagoras, which much like berkley, with the exception of his position on god, postulates that human experience is reality itself, he clearly explain in many of his works the difference between objective reality and perceptions or interpretations, and also speaks of how the majority is most of the time mistaken. the theory of forms, or ideas, is part of his metaphysics, which is fundamented on the difference between spirit and matter, , and their respective worlds, the former eternal, and the latter being temporary, and in those works he proves it by dialectic exercises the different essences of those, forms are nothing but the ''shape'' or the aspects of the one, which is relative to both, it is too complex to explain in a single comment, so i will not discuss it with you unless you are interested, but the 2 causes of aristotle don't explain universal, that is why they are ''lesser forms'', that was the reason for heisenbergs critique of aristotelianism and his modern, platonist-based view, while you cannot explain both the experience and matter/space by addressing it directly, he didn't explain it through good means of comparison in the first place, that is the reason for the critique of many neo-platonists of his work, substance-form duality is circular, substance is what occupies form, and form is what is occupied by substance, and let's not even get to his eternalist problems... his explanation of the soul is insatisfactory, hence why he could not explain a universal for human and divine endeavors, such as justice, in a satisfactory way either, that is the whole point of neo-platonism, which reafirms the forms as eternal, objective truths, relative to the hypostases of the same, objective reality, what aristotle calls the ''uncaused cause'', or god. you don't even make a point against the tripartite soul, which is why i think you have not fully read the republic, there is nothing absurd about it, only that which can be reasoned and attested by the very act of being, in fact, modern science confirms that the brain reflects this, being divided in three parts, the reptilian brain, which manages the most basic functions, including basic necessities of the body, the limbic system, which is responsible for emotions in mammals, though not other complex animals, and the neo-cortex, which is the vehicle of reason in this physical world. Reminscence theory is based on the theory of opposites, and the fact that the sensation of learning is similar to remembering, but the main basis we can take from vanilla platonism is that the soul participates of the eternal world, which is attested by it being different from the body, and what aristotle would call both its ''efficient'' and ''final'' cause being clearly distinct from matter, that is why he came with his theory on the one.

[@mr.imperial8721]

Lol wooooowwww...was the the flag of Oregon 1:40

[@SolidBanner]

The man of triangles gave me dig ideas!

[@Т1000-м1и]

I don't know, watching the one about Aristotle first and then not watching this one is more healthy for having good sleep then doing it in the right philosophical order

[@Freshline_]

Aristotle !!!

[@valentinbrescan288]

I think the Pithagoreans might have been describing artificial intelligence 😊

[@jesuschrist2268]

4:26 Garden of Eden 5:47 Adam and Eve

[@leandrosanchez1212]

i don't think you can solve metaphysics and epistemology separately. You need to know what knowledge is and how to get it before you can feel sure that you have attained any metaphysical knowledge. Like using arguments when discussing metaphysics presupposes a few epistemological beliefs. My hypothesis is that you start with metaphysical axioms which give you the grounds to justify some epistemic principles who give you the ground to justify some metaphysical knowledge which in turn justify the belief in some principle of epistemology and so on in a zig zag between the two branches until they're fully solved.

[@lovablesnowman]

It baffles me how anyone could come to such ridiculous worldviews as Plato managed. Like surely at a certain point some of the other Greeks must have been like "yo dude, you're talking complete nonsense and can't prove anything you claim"

[@marinescuandrei6986]

Well there was Diogenes

[@kristiankepley5944]

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[@Nasir3623]

The emperor is naked

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@marinescuandrei6986 The only sane person lived in a pot, on the street, surrounded by dogs. Diogenes was literally me.

[@PatriotMapper]

Alternate Title: Death Worship II - What is Play-doh?

[@23tovarm5]

Hol up, are we taking a trip up north?

[@jaywilliams8730]

Fun fact Plato wasn’t his name it was his nickname that his wrestling coach gave him yeah Plato was wrestler

[@nicholasneyhart396]

Doesn't it mean something along the lines of the wide one?

[@jaywilliams8730]

@@nicholasneyhart396 yes it dose

[@tyrantphotius_7948]

His real name was Aristocles (Αριστοκλής). It means something like "the son of the excelllent"

[@jero37]

As an Oregonian, I wish it was the Portland flag running with the Molotov and Antifa flag, since it's mostly localized to the city limits.

[@pachho808]

The jreg music at the end tho

[@slymarbo7431]

jreg music

[@lommut8300]

Hades music is so good

[@SadatEverything]

"Plato did nothing wrong" -Every dictator probably

[@lastnameeverfirstnamegreat5656]

Commenting to boost the algorithm.

[@oscarwind4266]

Communism and eugenics What a great duo.

[@jellojiei6061]

I love the JREG music.

[@YashArya01]

3:48 - 3:59 LMFAO! xD

[@HoradrimBR]

The criticism that some thinkers linked to the liberal tradition have against Plato is unfair. Of course totalitarianism os bad, but reject the platonic tradition as a whole because of this link is just narrow minded. Basically most of the humanities, arts and math have some (or a lot) platonic influence. One can pick only the good parts of platonism - that's even common in history. Besides, even the aristotelian tradition - as a whole - has some Plato in it.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

Marx's hole thing was Materialism, he was the greatest rejector of Plato.

[@newthirx4311]

so um...about that....

[@Kuudere-Kun]

@@newthirx4311 If your asusming I already know what you're refering to you are mistaken. Since I made the above Tweet I've only become even more convinced of the inehrently link between Fascism and Plato.

[@pedrosaraiva5303]

@@Kuudere-Kun pqp!!! platonism's whole point on ethics is that every human being shares a soul, and has freedom, and should therefore be judged on the basis of their actions, there is not a single xenophobic take that plato takes and aristotle doesn't, you are linking ancient greek tribalism to philosophy, as if it was inherent to its essence and it doesn't make any sense, leibniz was a racist, does his rationalist work has any thing to do with fascism???? kant was a racist, so was hegel, is german idealism fascism then??...

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Your videos are awesome shame that you have low views

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

It terrifies me how many people seem to worship this psychopath.

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Dont be afraid, most people isn’t really aware of it, and those who know and agree are way fewer than what it seems

[@blugaledoh2669]

I want to ask something. You said ethic is the study of action. Does this mean any human action and behaviour? For example, “should we eat meat?” “should I exercise?” Or does it only refer to specific moral question? Such as “is murder wrong?”

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happy comment for the algorithm

[@thecrazye9213]

Love the jreg music

[@nethlandpancake3630]

I was relaxing eating fish and chips with brown sauce while watching this video...then I heard "agree with me" and was like (I can't think of anything funny)

[@irbis_rosh]

I think ths video is missing a crucial part about the Theory of Forms: the understanding of what the form means. Plato describes the universals not as total archetypes but descriptions of qualities of something. For example, imagine or actually pick up a basketball ball. This particular ball is round, bouncy, made out of particular material, is of a particular colour, pumped or deflated with a particular amount of air. This particular ball you're imagining or holding is an amalgamation of different qualities you can ascribe to it such as colour, bounciness, elasticity, size, roundness, softness due to air etc. All of these are the universal qualities that which make this particular ball THIS particular ball. The forms aren't pertaining this one ball, and can be observed in different amalgamations in other particular objects, such as roundness is a quality found in, say, a marble bead, or in some round designer parfume bottle which would make the form i.e. the quality of roundness universal.

[@leandrosanchez1212]

Forms or universals are not partially instantiated in concrete particulars they can only be fully instantiated in the concrete particulars which exemplify them or at least the modern platonist line among philosophers nowadays.

[@phyren8301]

God I wish Oregon was anarchist

[@gonzalopelaez5649]

Niceee

[@laserwolf65]

Ok. So most bad ideas come from Plato, and most good ideas come from Aristotle. Got it.

[@pedrosaraiva5303]

no you don't, be an aristotelian by all means, but read them instead of taking youtube videos at face value

[@Nambark]

Too much bias agaist Plato, he didn't get it all wrong.

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

He kinda did.

[@Nambark]

@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 You must be drunk. Platon's cave and his criticism on democracy are both correct.

[@Azazel5021]

damn Plato was based

[@boblaryson3621]

Incredibly based

[@Taiyama2]

YOOOOOOO, ARISTOTLE TIME!

[@gbm6882]

this man has a personal issue with plato

[@Poffean]

based Plato

[@HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV]

Why do I hear Jreg music?

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

9:16 Marx could also have been a Jewcube.

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

Marx would not like that.

[@מ.מ-ה9ד]

​@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 Well, he didn't like to be Prussian either. But he was a Prussian citizen.

[@historysccuables9458]

one can be reasonable and have emotion through religion. that is why i dislike and disagree with plato

[@qg9273]

Tf are there so few comments

[@SevakKirakosyan]

P ness 😅😅😅👌👌👌

[@Wind_Falcon]

A lot of Plato sounds like really good version 0.1 ideas that have something true or worthwhile in them, I think its a bit arrogant to just say he was wrong and move on. For example the idea of universal forms gets a lot of mileage in linguistics (in regards to checklist vs prototype theory, the distinction of the universal vs. particular is very useful in helping with otherwise seemingly impossible to resolve problems in linguistic theory, especially text linguistics), while the view of man in conflict with his self sounds like an early rough draft of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

[@Thess-wm8ke]

Did you seriously use the FYROM flag

[@ioanniskolakes3248]

Um, why is Aristotle with the Fyrom flag? Aren't those guys slavs? Why did you do this?

[@hafahya6545]

Wee were greeks n' shiet

[@CallMeEzekiel]

Aristotle was born in territory controlled by the ancient Macedonian kingdom. When depicting ancient Macedonia in Polandball, there's a history of using the modern FYROM flag over the (probably more accurate) Greek Macedonia flag. This is partly because there's a preference for national over sub-divisional flags in Polandball. But it's also just a joke-ey reference to North Macedon's LARPing as a successor state to the ancient Macedonians. I hope this clears things up!

[@pyotrbagration2438]

Macedonians are true Greeks, modern Greeks are Orthodox T*rks.

[@ioanniskolakes3248]

@@CallMeEzekiel judging from the comments of my questions it doesn't seem so. Without offence, I know how the Polandball community works and why you did it but it doesn't clear things up.

[@hafahya6545]

@@pyotrbagration2438 I would not be surprised if all todays greeks are either orthodox turks or slavs with 10% actual greek blood. Doesnt matter to me, as I personally believe that beeing a slav is better than beeing a greek.

[@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569]

I can only hear him say Play Doh

[@MagicMike2005]

EuroPOORans

[@aipkjbf]

you dont even see how much you're a product of your zeitgeist lol

[@muse5722]

Where's the fucking how to CK3 zeke??!?!?!?

[@CallMeEzekiel]

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[@muse5722]

@@CallMeEzekiel it was a joke

[@cseijifja]

finally, first

[@Maxi25554]

GG

[@lorefox201]

I'm sorry but you completely misunderstood Plato and the Republic.

[@dangernoodle8813]

so communist totalitarianism.

[@delta606]

You know this ain't a serious video when Aristotle is depicted with a Slavic Macedonian flag. Pathetic.

[@bjrnn.2689]

Who are you to judge Plato's ideas..