PlayStation 5 120FPS Mode vs. PC 120FPS: Benchmarks & Graphics Quality Comparison

We matched PC graphics settings to a PlayStation 5's 120FPS Mode, then benchmarked PC hardware until we found a match to the PS5's framerate (FPS) performance.
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First, as stated in the conclusion, there's a place for both PCs and consoles and it's not as simple as a price-for-price comparison. Still, as an exercise in understanding the graphics capabilities of a modern game console (the PlayStation 5 was used here), we set forth on matching the Sony PlayStation 5's 120FPS Mode graphics settings against a PC, the latter of which has individual controls for various in-game options. Once we matched the settings to be roughly equal, we ran benchmarks against GPUs (and one CPU) until we found a performance threshold roughly equal to the average FPS / frametime performance of the PlayStation 5. This gives us a relatively like-for-like comparison to better understand what the PS5 is comparable to -- it's about a GTX 1060, 1070, and 1080, depending on game, when not running ray tracing. Ray tracing would be something we need to test once more games support it on the consoles. Testing includes a grouping of three games, but the overall concept extrapolates to other games as well. We've established a range of performance to estimate rasterization performance at equal graphics quality (roughly) between the devices. Again, we think the PlayStation 5 and other consoles fill an important role in the market that can't be simply replaced by a PC, and likewise, a PC offers a lot of extensibility not given by a console. They both have an important place and thus this is more of an academic exercise in determining the performance and quality equivalence.
DMC5 Special Edition is only available on the PlayStation 5; it does not exist on PC or on the PS4. Borderlands 3 and DMC5 have both had specific treatment for PlayStation 5 and are more than just a backwards-compatible port. An example of a backwards-compatible-only port would be God of War, which is a PS4 game that has not had any treatment for the PS5. You can play it on PS5, but it is a PS4 game without any treatment for the PS5. Miles Morales is unsuitable for comparison because it does not exist on PC.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - PC vs. PS5 Graphics Comparison & Benchmarks
01:18 - Methodology Basics & Discussion
05:01 - Devil May Cry 5 Graphics Comparison (PC vs. PlayStation 5)
06:53 - Performance & Framerate Modes (120FPS, 60FPS)
08:35 - PlayStation 5 & PC Benchmark Charts
09:16 - Frametime Plot vs. PC (DMC5)
12:07 - 120Hz vs. 240Hz Explanation
13:23 - Screen Tearing Explanation on Console vs. PC
17:29 - Logging vs. Capture Methodology & Data
19:50 - DiRT 5 Matched Graphics Settings
22:55 - DiRT 5 PS5 vs. PC Performance Analysis & Matched Hardware
23:36 - DiRT 5 120Hz vs. 240Hz
24:03 - Frametime Chart (DiRT 5)
24:39 - Borderlands 3 Matched Graphics
27:00 - BLANDS 3 Performance Benchmarks
27:06 - BLANDS 3 120Hz vs. 240Hz
27:35 - Borderlands 3 Frametime Chart (PS5 vs. PC)
28:22 - Conclusion: A Place for PCs & Consoles Alike
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[@GamersNexus]

As for the games, DMC5 Special Edition is only available on the PlayStation 5; it does not exist on the PS4. We chose Special Edition specifically for this reason, so that's important to know. Borderlands 3 and DMC5 have both had specific treatment for PlayStation 5 and are more than just a backwards-compatible port. An example of a backwards-compatible-only port would be God of War, which is a PS4 game that has not had any treatment for the PS5. You can play it on PS5, but it is a PS4 game without any treatment for the PS5. All three games we chose are PS5 native games with official markings by Sony as being PS5 titles, with specific PS5 treatment and native builds. Miles Morales is unsuitable for comparison because it does not exist on PC. Watch our PlayStation 5 thermal, noise, & power benchmark: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g57KmJ6Na9qmo7M Grab a GN 2020 Disappointment PC T-Shirt here: store.gamersnexus.net/

[@thevaultdwellergaming]

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[@drewjones3536]

You guys doing a video for Xbox S X? Hoping my 3600x and gtx1080 are still worth it.

[@drewjones3536]

@ziggy bean how so?

[@anasevi9456]

I get 120hz, but anything above that is such a meme for tryhards. No one cares more about win more optimisations/results, which is what anything over 120fps is. You can bend over yourself trying to compare it to the 30fps console era; every way till sunday.. But the fact remains all these benches are meaningless. Any game that has no troubles getting over 100fps on a decent PC is pedantry few will care about.

[@Ebani]

@@anasevi9456 Depends, with vr and sw like vorpX getting 120fps means 60fps for each eye, which is why 120 fps is the sweet spot for modern gaming.

[@oneofmanyjames-es1643]

"Not everyone can build a computer" *Flashes up Walmart thumbnail* That is some savagery

[@jagermaster1758]

should have been verge

[@randypesh89]

Steve is a Low Key Savage!

[@anonanon3066]

@@doryiii no, but they told others to do it like they did. He didn't even mention the front IO cables, which some people have major difficulties with, apparently.. Also a fucking no go is that he drove the screws into his radiator (without fans), told his viewers that it's the proper way and then fixed it OFF CAMERA WITHOUT A SINGLE WORD Probably still leaking like a bitch. This whole theme of fucking things up and secretly fixing them off camera without a word goes through the entire build. And don't forget, it's supposed to be a fucking tutorial for absolute beginners.

[@codyeakinsbradley]

I get cellulitis all the time from Steve's burns

[@TheAdamGore]

( Hot glues USB header onto motherboard ) *(On a computer you received that was over $700 less than the one you ordered)*

[@69mviewsnt]

if Sony and Microsoft want to compete with PC they better add RGB in their next console for boost framerates

[@BlackParade01]

PS5 actually has some RGB

[@rocketpencil5948]

@ya boi breeez It doesn't have the pro level rbg tho. The one on the ps5 boosts fps by 13%, when it's supposed to be a 69% boost

[@santhoshmanickavasagam2467]

?!?!? I didn't know that RGB boosts framerates.

[@rocketpencil5948]

@@santhoshmanickavasagam2467 it was a joke

[@santhoshmanickavasagam2467]

@@rocketpencil5948 r/woooosh for me.

[@jayvanburg3943]

Final portion of this video was like treading a minefield.

[@Fievel4]

One thing I feel you should have mentioned when talking about the performance per dollar side is the very fact that consoles historically sell for less than the cost to make them because the companies intend to make up that loss in licensing fees from the games sold whereas with a PC you are paying for the parts directly with no subsidies.

[@TrapasaurusFlex]

They also make up for that cost with paid online... something you don’t need with a PC. Also the games are more expensive.

[@kitkindy]

@@TrapasaurusFlex Correct PC day one games are even at a discount compared to consoles. I have paid $20 dollars less than a console game even at launch. Lots of factors play in to the PC gaming cost "more" upfront sure, long run nah.

[@s0meRand0m129]

@@kitkindy "long run" is depend on what specs you have , sure you can run new 2021 games with a GTX950ti but is it going to be a good experience?

[@jaronmarles941]

@@s0meRand0m129 Let's say we're looking at upgrading from a 1060 on average (my case 1660S). If we get a GPU as good as (or better than) the consoles at $800 (markup) we could sell the old one for $100-$200, and get a GPU for $700-$600. Add in online for the console, and you'll have only a $40-$140 difference in a year from that alone.

[@Cr1ptlord]

@@TrapasaurusFlex i wouldnt mind paying double, atleast you have peace of mind of having no cheaters. On pc whenever i play a shooter you just pray someone doesnt have wh or aimbot...

[@crazyjak56]

"We went through 1 graphics setting at a time". God that sounds exhausting and boring.

[@GamersNexus]

Actually super interesting! Definitely tiring and extremely slow, though!

[@JB-ym4up]

Super interesting, barely an inconvenience.

[@nalong55]

well it is his job so....

[@shadyengland2]

@@GamersNexus The miracles of Tech Jesus.

[@crazyjak56]

@@Xilent1 Think about doing that while benchmarking multiple games while trying to target the hardware of a console that almost but doesn't quite align with most pc hardware on software with similar issues (sometimes consoles get their own settings).

[@jameslane2724]

" A four year old GPU is a good stopping point" XD

[@alexbedini731]

Yeah a good stopping point to compare it with a 2020 Console!!! LoooooL

[@thepizzaelf]

If the ps5 has a 10.3 tflop rdna 2 gpu why is it being outperformed here but not in other channels tests with more powerful cards?

[@Kold2012]

@@thepizzaelf tflops mean nothing compared across generations and hardware manufacturers Nvidia has always beat AMD in GPU's

[@thepizzaelf]

@@Kold2012 I get that but I just don’t understand his tests, why are digital foundry’s tests showing the ps5 performing better than a rtx 2060 super but being outperformed here by a 1060-1070, maybe bad optimization for 120 FPS ?

[@Kold2012]

@@thepizzaelf likely games using AMD tools when made. therefore better optimized form their hardware, or games that are just poorly optimized on PC in general.

[@MrNiceKnife]

32:42 sums it up nicely.

[@ash36230]

A 4 year old PC wins by default since it's the only one you can get right now

[@CorporateShill66]

You can get a ps5 for $1000 so probably should compare it to a $1000 pc lol

[@justorxh9695]

@@CorporateShill66 lol thats good

[@LopowerONE]

Try to get a competent graphics card at its MSRP and see whats happens.

[@drackar]

I mean, to be fair, you'd probably be paying close to the $1000+scalper price for that four year old hardware right now. It's a fucking zoo on ebay right now.

[@oceyho]

@@LopowerONE you can a used 10 series everywhere.

[@RunawayYe]

Thanks Patrick for sacrificing your eyes staring at a small box of pixels for us!

[@user-yv2cz8oj1k]

But this is what Patrick lives for!

[@alshahriar6230]

I imagine Patrick staring at the screen and eating popcorn

[@steve9094]

Since I'm playing in 1080p without ray tracing, I expect to be able to use my GTX 1070 and R5 3600 combo for years to come. Actually, the 1070 has turned into one of the best investments I've ever made in tech - I can still play modern games with high settings four years after buying it. Good thing too, cuz GPU prices are insane.

[@LucasSantos-cb1fh]

i have a 1070, i cant even bump up rd2 to high settings dude im getting a 3090 soon

[@steve9094]

@@LucasSantos-cb1fh I replied to you a second ago, but my comment immediately disappeared for some weird reason. Anyway, if you want, I can post my custom tweaked settings for RDR2 that give me ~70 fps with most settings on ultra or high. The lighting quality setting makes a huge difference - putting it on medium got rid of most of my severe framerate drops. The only other stuff I have on medium are water and volumetrics.

[@LucasSantos-cb1fh]

@@steve9094 ok ima give it a try

[@hooper157]

@@LucasSantos-cb1fh you have a different problem I play on ultra with an rx 580 or 1060 NVIDIA equivalent

[@melancholyentertainment]

2015 called, it wants its resolution back.

[@lupintheiii3055]

This video age worst and worst every passing year... Comparing a PS5 to a GTX 1060 was pretty bad at launch already, but now it really show how wrong you guys was about that comparrison.

[@xpodx]

He's showing proof of it, what do you mean?

[@lupintheiii3055]

@@xpodx Some cross platform day 1 ports evaluated randomly selecting graphic settings? Is that the proof? It won't be so hard to proof (yet again) how bad this take was tho. In a month Horizon Forbidden West will be out on PC, try running that on a GTX 1060 then let me know...

[@xpodx]

@lupintheiii3055 well depends on the game he switch to a 1070 ti and 1080. Pretty much if someone wants to match a ps5 just put a 2060 in it so can upscale like a console does.

[@xpodx]

@lupintheiii3055 I have a i9-9900k and a 3090 with 64gb of ram and play at 4k 144hz and saving for a 5090

[@lupintheiii3055]

@@xpodx No, just no. Everything in this video is just wrong. Even Digital Foundry (the most Nvidia sponsored channel on the planet) had to admit a PS5 is comparable to a 2080 at least. I never had had console in my life, but I don't get why PC gamers are so buthurt by the fact a PS5 can be as fast as a 2080Ti. I don't see what your PC specs has anything to do with any of that...

[@andrewgoodner154]

I like how Steve talked more in depth about how the graphs actually work due to the wider audience this video is going to grab.

[@djmccullough9233]

Wider audience meaning in this case the people who take pride in understanding their hardware, and those who pride themselves in not needing to understand anything about their hardware.

[@Jhakaro]

And then the wider audience complains that the video is too long and he rambles too much, "just get to the point already" despite this.

[@EcchiBANZAII-desu]

He needs to do that because the "wider" audience now includes console people, so he has to ELI5 to the consoletards.

[@GoneAngel]

@@EcchiBANZAII-desu Hello, Consoletard here. I already knew the vasy majority of what was explained here. Tards are pretty smart I guess.

[@FactoryofRedstone]

@@djmccullough9233 I think those who pride themselves in not needing to understand anything about their hardware, are not here by definition. Even by watching this video, it shows at least some interest.

[@happygiraffe9787]

Who cares about consoles when we already have 5G and Raid: Shadow legends?

[@GamersNexus]

Raid: Shadow Legends is true endgame content. You're right. Pack it up, boys. No need to use consoles or PCs for games!

[@sebazk8463]

Don't forget about Mafia City

[@DBRONCOSfan]

No, no, Kings Throne: Game of Lust... my God I despise those ads...

[@Dynasty1818]

What, it was a DUNGEON run

[@mythic017]

hOw AbOuT $5

[@MagiofAsura]

I don't understand why people say these consoles "game" at 8k. It's pretty clear they will just upscale.

[@jesse420SOCAL]

I laugh so hard when they say this nonsense 🤣 it's not real 4k, 8k or 10k it's like using Samsung phone VR cardboard cover they sell and calling true VR like bruh it's cardboard and plastic mirrors to create augmented it's doesn't compare to real VR like occulus rift or HTC Vive

[@bobbybologna3029]

the higher framerates are always interpolated too lol

[@Eyeolus]

@@bobbybologna3029 source?

[@Aluja77]

Not only that. They will only add it to old games or more like Indie Games or Pixel games where the performence is reachable. You won´t see any Uncharted or God of War like game on 8k. Trust me it makes me sick that people actually think that they can play a good looking game on 8k.

[@thraxberserker9960]

Who said they'll game at 8k?

[@rocketpencil5948]

Sometimes people forget that's pc is litterly a pc. It can be used for other things besides gaming, which is why I prefer a pc

[@balloonb0y677]

Anything you do on your computer I can do on my laptop 😐

[@rocketpencil5948]

@@balloonb0y677 Laptops are computers that are less powerful but portable. If your laptop has the same specs as my pc it's going to cost 20-30% more.

[@balloonb0y677]

@@rocketpencil5948 it doesn’t have to be powerful to join a zoom meeting, or do home work, my uncle is a computer engineer and he doesn’t even need a super powerful computer to do his work. But yes if you do need a pc for work and you like to play video games than yes you should get a powerful pc. Example: there’s a race that only takes place on roads, I have a high performance super car (console) and you have a car (pc) that performs really good on the streets and can go off-road. You can’t say it’s better than my car that can only be driven on a road because theirs no need to drive it is on something other than a road when you only need it to drive it on a road. The point is that your off topic

[@Dune571]

@@balloonb0y677 A...a laptop IS a PC???

[@balloonb0y677]

@@Dune571 they do the same thing

[@henok_gk]

Been missing GN these last few days good to see you're back!

[@GamersNexus]

Should be mostly back to daily uploads now!

[@ziarmex6167]

@@GamersNexus it still amazes me how you can make such high quality content in such short amounts of time.

[@hisfatness522]

@@ziarmex6167 Probably due to an amazing team and sacrificing some sleep.

[@johnsherby9130]

@sᴀᴠɪᴏᴜʀ ᴍᴀᴄʜɪɴᴇ if a couple children die in order for my hardware news to be done on time then it is acceptable

[@imo098765]

I see another video thats going to spark controvesy over the internet

[@GamersNexus]

Not our goal!

[@PrimoRocker]

@@-_-Ga-_-ku-_- yeah, cause obviously one is better

[@imo098765]

@@GamersNexus For SCIENCE!

[@CannedMarmalade]

Yeah unfortunately this video is probably going to be used as ammo for PC vs Console arguments

[@chilibiskit14]

@@imo098765 fr lol even though we all know no pc can scratch the power of a ps5 at the price point

[@tazmaniandarcy]

Sony really needs to clarify that the 8k reference is not for gaming performance. It’s most likely for future video content like movies etc.

[@beanslol1725]

Which is gonna be hard because most content dont even support 8k so idk why playstation advertised that. Especially when a 8k tv will cost you a leg and arm.

[@yiannis777-l9c]

@@beanslol1725 It can probably output this resolution but can't actually run it, what i mean is, the xbox 360 had an option for 1080p but no game ran at native 720p let alone 1080p, it just had the option to enable it, same goes for the ps5, it can support the 8k resolution in the main menu/media but not in games or streams.

[@Llamadeus]

I'm confused that resolution doesn't seem to be accounted for in this video? Edit: to clarify I'm used to GN being very detailed in it's analysis and exhaustive in it's testing methodology. Lacking being told explicitly the resolution you ran the PC titles at I have to assume 1080p especially at 120fps. This is egregious considering the ps5 does reconstruct 4k, but does so from a base resolution of 1440p to 1800p, and in some cases native 4k. It is disingenuous then to say "the ps5 runs like a 1060" if the 1060 is rendering 80% less pixels in otherwise identical workloads. This disregarding any additional resourcess required to finish reconstructing that 1440p-1800p image to full 4k when again the 1060 is just presenting it's raw 1080p frame. Raw spec alone demonstrates that this test is suspect when we know the PS5 is using an RDNA2 GPU which produces 10.28 TFLOPs on that modern architecture vs the 4.4 TFLOPs of the 1060 6GB on an outdated architecture like Pascal. All of that being said I am making assumptions here on the testing methodology and would love to receive elaboration on it. IF my assumptions are correct and you are running these games at 1080 and not 1440 or 1800 to resolution match the ps5 then I'd like to see those results instead. EDIT2: I've looked into it and it looks like pre-patch the DMC5 normal mode actually ran at 4K native at approx 80FPS on average before the 60FPS lock was introduced. Seeing as you have a disc based PS5 you COULD run an unpatched unlocked native 4k version of DMC5 on the ps5 and 4k native on the 1060 for a true apples to apples comparison. Final edit: I just looked at the settings you showed in the video and confirmed you are running this game at 1080p native on the 1060.... GN your test is fundamentally flawed when one gpu is running 4k and the other 1080p. I genuinely expect better.

[@normalperson696]

Ask him to play ac vallhala with ps5 at 1440p and then compare it with 1080ti it is nowhere close,and for 1060 u cant hit ps5 fps at that settings at 900p

[@kalimarumugam937]

Weird... It feels like if anyone raises these issues you will automatically be labeled a console fan boy. But this video seems particularly misleading with regards to the notion that a Ps5 is equivalent to a 4 to 5 year old mid to high end gaming PC. Based on all the tests digital foundry have done... Where they have a very similar type of video... It's clear that the Ps5 is roughly in the gtx2070 range minus the ray tracing perf. Especially when it comes to native resolution being run on Ps5.. Which as you mentioned is usually a 1440p base on which reconstruction is done. Was super interested in this video when I saw the title but I feel like this vid completely misses the mark. Coming from a PC, Ps5, Gn fan 😂

[@visordo]

I think all games were 1920x1080, and the capture device used for PS5 was a 1080p resolution, so PS5 should be rendering @ 1080p. It is to early to compare it to 4 -5 years old PC HW. Developers have not yet fully taken advantage of the new HW.

[@Llamadeus]

@@visordo The PS5 while outputting 1080 does not RENDER at 1080p. It still renders at whatever resolution the game renders at and then downsamples to 1080p.

[@normalperson696]

@@kalimarumugam937 also u can’t compare consoles to pc so easily specially due to their architecture being different and their optimisation being different .red dead redemption 2 on ps4 runs at 1080 p 30 fps with decent graphics which was compared to 660ti back then which runs it below 20 fps on low at 1080p

[@alienworm1999]

This video is too level-headed, now I need to get a refund on my pitchfork

[@foxvulpes8245]

Lucky you... I had already lit my torches ):

[@victorbaez8673]

I cant get a return on my battering ram so im going to have to resell it now

[@T1cksandLeeches]

@Vishal I hope they revisit this in about a year. Give game devs time to push the new console hardware to it's max and then start the comparison. It's honestly not a fair fight right now and the comparisons will probably be all over the place from game to game. I imagine the big AAA games will start creeping up to the 2070-2080 level eventually, but only time will tell.

[@thesonnen447]

@@T1cksandLeechesMaybe native games would also be preferable, since many of these were rushed back-compats (except maybe Rally, but damn they didn't code well for it even the settings were off). 60FPS games are better for the comparison since we all know, unless a game is on a godly port like Doom/Vulkan, 4k120 AAA at native is quite unrealistic. Also, some of the engine I believe has to be enabled by Sony first.

[@benedikt2426]

@@T1cksandLeeches I don't think it's unfair because PC hardware is always getting cheaper so a future 500$ PC would also have a better performance. I personally think the PS5 will have the best bang for buck when compared to a PC in the first half of it's lifecycle, so I think for the next 3 years the PS5 won't be beat, but 3 years of PS+ are around 180$ which is the reason why I won't buy a PS5 after having a PS4 since launch. Sorry for the long answer.

[@ASKid24]

I was hoping someone would do a comparison like this 👍

[@GamersNexus]

Thanks!

[@thesonnen447]

It's perfect. It will hopefully be revisited also when the custom hardware mod/engine is enabled within the PS5 that Devs were talking about when they rightfully so weren't happy they were given too little time to access/use it.

[@hitler69]

digital foundry also did a comparison. go check that out too. this video honestly feels biased based on the cherrypicked games

[@droolguy]

@@hitler69 How are they cherrypicked? They literally used the games the PS5 directly referenced in their literature.

[@hitler69]

@@droolguy dmc5 and borderlands 3 are not native ps5 games. dirt5 is also not really a next gen game. he could have picked stuff like asscreed vahalla or cod blops cold war but nope. gotta pick those random ass games. and before you say something about how im console fanboy: my pc is probably better than yours. imgur.com/l7lvazO

[@mr.darknight416]

And people on digital foundry videos are now saying that ps5 is far superior to 3070 and will beat 3080 soon, the amount of stupidity among fanboys are overwhelming, especially sony and apple fanboys.

[@thanos2420]

Exactly. Sony and Apple fanboys are so much alike.

[@mr.darknight416]

@@thanos2420 they are delusional.

[@rocketpencil5948]

I agree, a ps5 and xbox series x are close to a 2060

[@LlamaCraft]

@@rocketpencil5948 not even man I would go so far to say a 1650 at max man

[@vinyttw5055]

Yo I'm legitimately curious where you're getting that info from. All digital foundry's videos seem to have the PS5 performing equivalently to anywhere between a 2060 to a 2070 super depending on the game with matched graphics settings and then the Series X a bit above that. I'm not trying to cape for DF nor Sony and Microsoft, but it seems insincere to say they're claiming performance on par with rtx 30 series cards

[@Ray_2097]

What a disastrous video... I'm speechless. Lowest possible quality clickbait type of shit.

[@xxcabalxx2369]

its a very in depth video, hardly lowest possible quality

[@BuzzKiller23]

When your life flashes before your eyes how much of it do you want to not be rendered in 8K?

[@Herbertti3]

Like 95% is ok with 240p.

[@PhoonigaN]

I dont really like back light strobing srry...

[@Meitti]

That paragraph in that article almost sounded like a threat. "Buy it or else!"

[@sigy4ever]

All of it, 8k sounds horridly expensive

[@p51mustang24]

Only PC can provide the **true RGB experience**

[@GraveUypo]

you must not have been around for the casemod era

[@critical_unknown]

@@GraveUypo UV clear Perspex Cases making the whole room glow 😂

[@marcusfarquarhson8748]

But true is best on a high end oled

[@n3gve]

if you have good monotor to look at it

[@mastrtonberry2]

@@critical_unknown Cold cathode tubes

[@AR-yy9ge]

Unfortunately, this video fails to capture the attention of your average console user: 1. No click bait title 2. Over 60 seconds in length 3. Numbers 4. Missing intro being screamed at you like "Yo, whats poppin?! It's ya boi SkinnyPenis here to talk about..."

[@mattgraves3709]

How could you possibly think that a GTX 1060 can play modern games at 4k 60 fps? My GTX 1080 can barely do it on medium settings. Are the settings really that low in your comparison? Wow, I am really blown away by this... I just ordered a play station 5 instead of upgrading my GTX 1080 after a lifetime of PC gaming. But it makes sense, where would Gamer's Nexus be if they recommended folks buy a PS5. Nah this is too biased

[@MaliEndz]

You could’ve just gotten a 3070 or 6700xt and you would have been back in the game for less

[@nitrowarrior-lj5ip]

Cry more console peasant, "enjoy" "playing" games in 30 fps 😂

[@brokenstereotype]

“Compatible with things that have HDMI ports”. I just spit out my coffee that I bought last week.

[@deescobie9696]

I just finished cleaning my keyboard thanks to that... :'D

[@vPRiiXX]

haha omg so funni

[@nickllama5296]

You probably should have spit that out a few days earlier, buddy...

[@JamesSchro]

Time stamp?

[@magethenrogue3035]

I guess I'm keeping the 4790k and 1080 for another year

[@cwill6491]

The 1080 will never die it seems. There has yet to be an upgrade worth it.

[@imp_ct]

@@cwill6491 lmao 1080 can't even use DLSS or RTX. Thing is trash at 4K. Keep lying to yourself I guess.

[@sigy4ever]

​@@imp_ct why are you gaming in 4k anyway? just 1440p way cheaper and it doesn't make you sound like an elitist fuckwit in the yt comment sections e: just want to point out that if you are gaming in '4k' with dlss on you arn't actually gaming in 4k, just upscaling from a smaller resolution (potentially 720p), Yeah sure DLSS has done great things for rtx and the 2060 non super fps but you are not actually gaming in native 3840 × 2160 So who is really lying to themselves when they say they are gaming at 4K, while DLSS turned on?

[@imp_ct]

@@sigy4ever sub-native res is disgusting and not needed with a 3080 and DLSS.

[@Ahov]

@@imp_ct Oh look, another tech-illiterate commenter.

[@franchellevanheerden]

Dirt 5 on consoles , no spectators. Seems like they are implementing social distance there.. LOL

[@frostjack5456]

Yes, that is the joke that Steve made

[@PegasusTenma1]

@Lov Mir do you even know what you’re talking about? I had a stroke reading that comment

[@shagstars]

@Lov Mir most games that are capped actually cannot run faster without lowering the graphics (they make it as good it can be with 120 fps in mind but there are always drops to 110 fps but that is not noticible.

[@braxtongarner3843]

@@PegasusTenma1 dude it’s the “gTx 1080p” o_0

[@ncorcoran29]

Yea spectators are my favorite part of a racing game lol

[@maxpeterson3178]

Enjoyed the video until the end. I'm a PC gamer but there is no way that a 5 year old PC can deliver the same performance as a PS5 at higher resolution. For sure, 1080p high fps it makes sense as was proven here. I'd like to see an updated video comparing the PS5 at higher resolutions. For instance, digital foundry did this and found that AC valhalla runs around the performance of a 2080.

[@radumirceabunica7492]

ac valhalla = amd sponsored title. but i agree, more test like this and with diff res / games, pls! :D

[@dajayway]

Ya I was thinking the same I have a pc i5 9400f with 1660 super. I compared cold war on both and it ran smooth on ps5 1080p but on my pc it was far from smooth and that was running on low settings mostly much prefer it on ps5

[@thelarry383]

@@radumirceabunica7492 AC Valhalla is also an Xbox sponsored title yet it was running better on PS5 until some peculiar patches.

[@magmamaster1801]

A 2080 is about as fast as a 1080 TI and the 1080 TI came out in 2016 which is 5 years ago...

[@maxpeterson3178]

@@magmamaster1801 a 1080ti can't do ray tracing so the point still stands. You cannot find a truly competitive GPU at least from 4 or 5 years ago. You can come close but ray tracing is a big deal these days so the 1080ti wouldn't cut it.

[@jasperrost78]

Now it will be interesting how many people watch the whole video... (a couple days later, most misunderstood comment ever, I meant literally I'd be interested)

[@jon2kx]

Dude it's dry man. I'm a PC guy and there are times where he just numbs the world out and I have to escape. He should do a TL;DR section honestly. The videos are just hard to watch sometimes. I get it, he's data oriented, but I just want a little entertainment at points to keep it fresh.

[@Bubbauk88]

If I dont have time to watch an entire video I will watch the intro, skip through the graphs and then watch the outro.

[@radumirceabunica7492]

@@Bubbauk88 interwebz be ez

[@saputrasaputra3347]

console peasants have left the chat 🤣

[@rmdhn1]

I can't watch a whole GN Video, too complicated and borring

[@MrEstarion]

For all value adepts, remember there's another layer of cost when it comes to PC vs console. Some regions have regional pricing on Steam but not consoles. For Russia specifically, you can save a few hundred bucks on hardware by picking PS5, but PC games tend to be at least half the price of console copies. A whole console generation is enough to end up spending less on hardware + games combined even without factoring in aggressive Steam discounts and piracy

[@GamersNexus]

Yeah, lots of value in both devices, depending on region. Consoles also offer a lot of value in the peace-of-mind aspect of putting it next to the TV and forgetting about it. They're easy to get into use, there are exclusives (sometimes, getting less common), and they're accessible. PCs can do work, are capable of doing other types of tasks, and are upgradeable. Each has value!

[@thejuiceweasel]

That's a very important thing people forget about. Even here in Germany I can pre-order Nier Replicant on PC for 46€, compared to 60€ for the PS4 version. It really adds up over time. So yeah, both systems have their money saving options.

[@klm_]

Don't forget that you have to pay an extra cash to be able to play on console, Xbox Live and PlayStation Plus, add an extra 50 to 60€ per year, also on pc you can do much more than just playing, you can upgrade while on console you have to buy a complete new console to "upgrade" and then still have to buy all the games again.. (or most of it or pay an extra to get the "upgraded" version)... what a joke!

[@Twistedpaolumu]

@@thejuiceweasel this only applies if you are the kind of person who only buy full priced games, there are sales on all platforms

[@bodifx]

Where I live (Brazil) PC games are considered "software" for taxation and console games are considered "luxurious item", in practice console games are anything between 2-3x more expensive at launch and if you factor Steam sales that can be as much as 10x more!

[@negroider]

Very disappointed in this video. You not only fail to inform the viewer of basic factors like resolution, but then use the 1060 running at a fixed 1080p vs the PS5 running at 1440p-1800p upscaled to 4K (dynamic) to say the 1060 is faster. Well duh! If the card is rendering fewer pixels it'll be faster, but you seemed to not realize that...? Would really like a follow-up tweet or video or anything to this, since it's so flawed.

[@madjoe8622]

When I saw him talk about a 1060, I lost interest really fast in the video. That's a 4-5 tflops card, impossible it's "on par" with a PS5 Digital foundry has shown with AC Valhalla that the PS5 performance is around a 2080 (it's between a 2070 and a 2080ti).

[@timothygibney5656]

Damn. With Valhalla we were given the impression the PS 5 was closer to a rtx 2060. Obviously not. Devil May Cry truly sucked

[@wtfronsson]

Valhalla is a bad example. Very poor optimization on PC, broken settings that don't seem to do anything etc.

[@tyber_roman313]

21:55 "Social distancing in the console version" Steve I would like you to know this is the humor I greatly appreciate from you. It makes watching these videos a much greater experience (and BTW i am loving my mouse mat. Glad i bought it day 1 before it sold out)

[@LeFatalpotato]

I feel like this is the closest thing we will ever get to a gaming undergrad class.

[@jasonschweitzman8961]

Lefatalpotato at Trump University?

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Grad, get a job for 40 k and owe 140 k. Lmao the world has reversed.

[@Gamelord191]

@Andrew V Could you expand on that?

[@prefrontalcortex2602]

Heh

[@ashleyp639]

@@Gamelord191 I think he's a playstation fanboy

[@infinitestars394]

And people say "A PS5 is better then a 500 dollar PC"

[@Dildoproductionsound]

and people can buy a ps5 for $ 500 huh?

[@alsamuef]

Because it is. A $500 pc is a joke for gaming compared to PS5. The fact that GamerNexus had to ignore ray tracing makes the whole comparison almost comical.

[@Dildoproductionsound]

@@alsamuef show me a site where i can buy a console for $500 today?

[@StealthyKai1]

@@Dildoproductionsound LMAO

[@Dildoproductionsound]

@@StealthyKai1 wut? ps4 slim 1tb price 550$ in walmart

[@rush4360]

this aged like milk

[@vanforsman]

This is the most clear adaptive sync demonstration I've seen! Thanks!

[@Gkhn32]

Alex from DigitalFoundry, who hates consoles more than anything, found that in Valhalla ps5 can outperform 2080. (with actually some settings higher than pc ulta - grass for example) I don't know what Steve tried to achieve here. Gtx 1060 ? Really. Certain games, specific modes, really flexing to achieve same fidelity of graphics, 1080p only, brute forcing ps5, unoptimized games, using back compat, what happened real games that can show much more data, I don't even mention some values being out of the picture (ray tracing for example; Miles Morales), and they are old games with old engines, what brings the future is yet to be seen, can he vouch for 500 dollars pc for next 5-6 years ? Cod Black Ops, Valhalla, Legion, Godfall, Destiny with next gen patch is there for example. What was that ? What is the point of this thing ? I am truly in shock. I wasn't expecting such a bias from GN. So according to this video, if I buy a gtx 1060-1070ti, should I be good (even better than ps5) for this whole generation ?

[@brenlouissurio2404]

"Should I be good for the whole generation?" The answer is yes, just play the 3 games he tested for the whole generation.

[@yousefradi]

You know this channel for pc master race fanboy what are you expecting .

[@samabrams5297]

Why are you annoyed Steve for not referencing Valhalla, a single game, but then criticise him for comparing three of them? They had comparable performance, at 120fps. And he has the numbers to back it up. If you want ray tracing, which is a completely different beast, this clearly isn’t that test. You’re yelling at the apple tree because it’s not providing oranges.

[@zaneearldufour]

I haven't actually seen footage of screen tearing before, so that alone is educational for me

[@michaelellams9105]

In 2015 I was playing Rage on pc and thought something was wrong with my game had a line through my game and was wow what is that when I looked it up and just said enable vsync to stop screen tearing so I really haven't had it in other games especially after moving to faster refresh screens but always look out for it.

[@texasslingleadsomtingwong8751]

I've had it , it royal sucks when it happens .

[@bobbybologna3029]

haw haw imagine not having a gsync/freesync monitor 😄

[@KhromTX]

Comparing PC (1080p normal edition) to PS5 (4k / 1620p, special edition) is very misleading.

[@Battleneter]

I somewhat agree, the problem is due to console dynamic resolutions and many in-game IQ settings hard to match its kind of a best effort. Using 1440P may have been the better choice imho.

[@theRemedyGames]

Why is DMC5 being compared to 1080P on PC? DMC5 on the PS5 runs between native 1640p and 1800p and then checkerboarded to 4K. And the game is actually more graphically intensive (higher quality specifically) on the PS5 by design (special edition). These arent equal tests...at all. Not even close. You might as well be comparing apples to airplanes...

[@saleplains]

because sony is advertising "120fps mode", if ps5 is struggling to hit it at 1080p its gonna be worse at higher resolutions. hell dirt 5 went even lower than 1080p to try to keep up

[@M1tZk1]

I'm really wondering about this test. 1. just comparing the GPU performance. The 1060 or 580 are more equivalent to the GPU power of the Xbox One X, which had was it 4 or 6 TF? Now the PS5 has double the TF. 2nd the Unreal Engine 5 that was showcased on a PS5 or the new Demon Souls on the PS5 show that the console is capable of far more than these "native" games that are basically old gen versions slightly patched for current gen. Uncharted 1 and The Last of Us were both on the PS3 but looked like there was a whole generation between them. Same could be said for the PS4 if you compare let's say Battlefield 4 and Battlefield V. This test might work for games right now but this PC won't hold up nearly as good as the PS5 in 4-5 years.

[@matheus-sm7860]

Internal bottlenecks are the only explanation.

[@_Chad_ThunderCock]

if he tested valhalla I think steve would have been in for a surprise

[@entreri76x]

The unreal engine five demo for PlayStation five wasn’t even hitting solid 30fps...

[@mongocom1735]

This, if the gtx had somewhat of raytracing hardware support or would be kept up to date on a hardcore level (drivers) like launch, it would stay like that, unfortunately this card is already 4 years old and in 4-5 years not cared enough anymore by nvidia to push drivers Further. On the console it might run everything watered down but everything will be pushed at its absolute maximum. (For example because of hardware limitations in Spider-Man, aka to slow cpu on ps4, Scenes where built behind the camera (literally behind) while a cutscene was playing just so that the ps4 doesn’t chug at 15 fps)

[@M1tZk1]

@@entreri76x that's why I also mentioned Demon Souls. The engine is clearly not finished and has no solid evidence, but it shows the possible ceiling of the PS5

[@HardDiskDog]

i sorted by newest comments to see if this was still relevant to newer ps5 games and man how many people posting here are like 15, that was awful to read

[@scottc2455]

The main thing that I learned from this video is how huge the PS5 is.

[@Knights_of_the_Nine]

Thank GOD you did this. Tired of people saying the PS5 has a 2080Ti equivalent.

[@DeanCalaway]

Maybe because Digital Foundry did a test with roughly the same methodology on the Xbox Series X ages ago in Gears of War and saw that game on that console running at an equivalent of an RTX 2080?

[@itsjaedonsan3166]

Forreal I've seen a bunch of gpu comparisons, but this 1 is the best

[@LukijsFroGo]

Wouldnt say that, but when you see something like miles morales in 4k30 mode with full rt, its not aomething that 1060 could do, so it varies. Same for demons souls

[@saputrasaputra3347]

yeah... the ignorant are ignorant of their ignorance 🤣

[@DeanCalaway]

@@LukijsFroGo Doesn't Miles Morales run at 60FPS with RT on after some patch? Even if it's using checkerboard rendering or some sort of temporal reconstruction that's about the same as DLSS, "4K" but not really. It has been said many times before, this generation resolution will be fairly meaningless, specially when I'm willing to bet dynamic resolution will be common place on top of up scaling technics.

[@ChaosPootato]

Texture popping in Borderlands games has always been crazy

[@jonnypena7651]

Yeah, maybe something to do with its specific art style.

[@velinion1]

Yep. I remember there were some ini tweaks that could be used to eliminate it in BL1 and BL2. Didn't seem to hurt performance at all either, which always made it more puzzling to me that it was there in the first place.

[@Rob3ZA]

@@jonnypena7651 It's the texture streaming feature of UE4. Can be disabled with -NOTEXTURESTREAMING but you need 8GB of VRAM to make it work with BL3

[@user-zd2kl9yg4v]

@@velinion1 Wasn't there a setting to reduce texture streaming in borderlands 2 games? Right there, in the menu.

[@daiphelion7002]

That price comparison section... Holy crap did the NVidia 20-series price hike massively shaft the value proposition of PC gaming with a rusty pole.

[@DaFunkz]

Damn I miss the gtx 10 series. Still got my trusty 1060.

[@therealmcx3488]

Facts the only thing making the pc to console comparison lean towards console is hdmi 2.1 right now if you could get a 1060 with 2.1 it would destroy Xbox series x

[@pfeilspitze]

13:26 "but it can still serve as a software test regardless of the fact that it seems like noone likes it" 🔥🤣

[@ThanosOnHisFarm]

I can usually follow GN videos, but this one had me seeing stars

[@freemanzweidreifunf8025]

yeah u can lituarly feel, the time and effort GN puts into their Testing Methodoligy, powering straight into your head :D but tbh... its only much talk about frames, caputrerates and misleading data, the rate at wich steve is talking it through without any visual assitance for the concept itself, while also other relavent data is presentet, makes it so challanging to follow.

[@biobreaker5009]

Oh man, the AIO controversy isn't gonna be shit against this one

[@XyAnimeGuy]

What controversy? I’m out the loop

[@biobreaker5009]

@@XyAnimeGuy A crapload of people started venting at PC builders after Gamers Nexus explained how to properly mount an All In One cooler. The same type of people that might missuse this video to funnel on others.

[@afelias]

@Nick Diesal You probably didn't watch the video. There was nothing subjective about the mounting configurations they covered, and they even used a dummy AIO with transparent viewing windows to illustrate their point. The fact that people misused that information, mostly by not watching the whole video, has nothing to do with the fact that the video itself made objectively good points on mounting AIOs.

[@afelias]

@Nick Diesal Which is exactly how I know you didn't watch the video. The AIO video points out two distinct types of error: Pump at top of loop and tubes up. The one that they show to have an effect on performance is the former, and the one you're talking about, the latter, has more to do with the sounds of bubbling adversely affecting anyone who wants a more silent setup. They even say in the AIO video that it's preferable to go tubes down, but if you had to do it [tubes up], it's fine for performance.

[@afelias]

@Nick Diesal It producing more noise than it has to is in fact inefficient. Earlier you mentioned performance and now you're backpedaling to "it's inefficient". At least you probably went back and actually watched the video this time. I hope, at least. stay mad indeed, lol

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Reported for misinformation. This is a very poorly done test. DMC5 special edition has better graphics than vanilla and doesn't exist on PC. It wasn't even a next-gen game, DMC5 special edition is a ps4 game enhaced for the PS5 and it isn't exactly the best port out there. Any PC gamer who understands specs can admit the RDNA2 specs on the PS5 obliterate the 1060 and 1070ti.

[@samithonjames370]

Butthurt.

[@flynnfittz]

This was a mostly flawed comparison. You can't see a machine that specs above a 5700xt performing below a 1060 and assume there's nothing wrong with you methodology.

[@jakdex2210]

Great video as always, only nit pick: screen tearing is new to the console guys? Don't forget the xbox 360/PS3 era, it was a tearing fest lol.

[@jonnypena7651]

No always because they were capped to 30fps andTV can change between 30hz and 60hz.

[@nogroup5861]

PS2 had some screen tearing games too.

[@andydbedford]

Yes Red dead redemption was pretty bad at screen tearing, however who cares about tearing when your playing the original red dead redemption, it was brilliant. 👍

[@Impetu0us]

Agreed, it was very prominent in Gears of War 3.

[@eldibs]

This is so educational, it's like taking a class on game graphics settings. I love it.

[@najib9093]

@@e.4485 You don’t need PS Plus for F2P multiplayer games. So I play whatever I want to without paying subscriptions. Also, most of those games he tested aren’t properly optimised for PS5, and just run with free next gen upgrades that don’t make full use of the PS5’s architecture. If there were PC ports of Demon’s Souls Remake (1440p60 with absolutely insane polygon counts) or Spider-Man (1440p60 with RT) which we know for sure are properly optimised for PS5 then PS5 would be more like a 2070S.

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

@@e.4485 Absolutely no fucking way the ps5 is as good as a 3060 ti. More like slightly more powerful 1080 ti/2070 super.

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

@@e.4485 yeah. I get it now.

[@s3rv3r3rror8]

@@e.4485 So what do you play World of warcraft at 1000fps??

[@s3rv3r3rror8]

@@e.4485 That is actually a good game carry on!! 👍🏼hahha i hope you guys don't take this video for facts, this video will be the laughing stock in a few months/year time! If it isn't already.

[@kainey]

It's weird how videos about consoles are so much disliked. I thought exclusives and price were more important than performances but still console community seems butthurt.

[@venbeer]

It's Sony Playstation fanboys, what more do you expect 😂

[@nerdstrangler4804]

I mean, this is objectively a bad video. He is essentially trying to benchmark a GPU by purposefully inducing a CPU bottleneck. Pretty sure if he decided to benchmark a 3080 at 1080p, and only 1080p with a 3.5ghz CPU, PC gamers would be wondering if he lost his mind. Plus he seemingly doesn't understand what supersampling is and thinks PS5 games are rendering at 1080p because his capture card is 1080p. People are disliking this video because its really bad. EDIT: PS haven't owned a playstation since PS3, been PC gaming for over 30 years, back when PC games were sold on 5.25" floppy disks. This analysis is just literally garbage.

[@chimei-tekinaneko8318]

@@nerdstrangler4804 You are trolling, right..? And the "I drive since 1956 so i know how to drive" argument is utter BS.. only because you do something for a long time, it doesnt mean that you are good at it/understand what you are doing.

[@venbeer]

@@nerdstrangler4804 "PC Gaming for over 30 years" yet you think a Gamers Nexus analysis video is skewed... yeah nice try bud 🤣 its pretty clear you're a PS fanboy, no need to pretend

[@nerdstrangler4804]

@@chimei-tekinaneko8318 Attack my argument instead of my character if you can. Only reason I put that info out there was to hopefully preemptively repel idiots. But it seems some idiots will not be dissuaded. I am clearly not trolling , which is why you are unable to attack my arguments.

[@BayernMunchenFan11]

console fan boys are gonna have a hard time accepting this.

[@saputrasaputra3347]

they are ignorant 🤣🤣

[@quajay187]

Oh yeah..lol..

[@trithos7308]

@ya boi breeez well, yeah. Fanboys do be doing fanboy things, no matter what it is they fanboy for. Although, there is no such thing as a pc fanboy. What you mean is an elitist. Functionally the same thing.

[@EthanRadell]

@@trithos7308 that's cause we are elite and they are fan boys 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭 I'll leave now

[@BayernMunchenFan11]

@ya boi breeez duh?

[@CapaNoisyCapa]

Oh, boy. This is one of those rare GN videos that you can actually see the light grey portion of the Like/Dislike bar. Edit: Well... 24 hours later and I'm not disappointed. Like I already said: you've got any suggestions to improve Steve's methods? Drop him a email. If you're convinced consoles have more Telaflops than a $2000 PC no matter what? Watch Lichard at Digital Foundly.

[@Alcatraz760]

Well when you ignore resolution since PS5 runs DMC at reconstructed 4K and comparing to a PC at 1080p, it deserves to be disliked. It's a poorly made video by people who want to cash in the 'console bad' crowd.

[@8lec_R]

@@Alcatraz760 what do you mean by reconstructed 4k? If you mean upscaled... Then your point is nullified because upscaled literally means the game is rendered at 1080p and then upscaled (basically 1 pixel turns into 4) to 4k. There's no increase in visual fidelity when you upscale a video / game in this fashion. So 1080p upscaled to 4k = 1080p. IN THIS CASE (it may not apply to other things, for eg bumping up the quality on a yt video to 4k while watching on a 1080p screen can give the viewer a more sharp image. But this is not the point. The only reason why I gave an example was so that no one takes this out of context)

[@StonedSolid]

@@Alcatraz760 "Reconstructed 4k" is marketing BS. Don't fall for it and listen to people who actually know what they are talking about and not the people who are just trying to sell you a product.

[@RuneMamba]

@@8lec_R are you dumb ? its running at 1800p not 1080p dude much more intensive.

[@RuneMamba]

@@StonedSolid No its not, the game is literally running at 1800p lmao which is higher than 1440p. Comparing 1080p to 1800p isn't fair

[@shikarizero]

21:50 "Maybe they are all social distancing in the console version..." I call that immersive gaming.

[@bobbybologna3029]

oh wait, the PS5 has games now? wow. They've come a long way.

[@garypurdy4982]

the testing here seems incorrect. The 1060 can barely run the game control. Yet the ps5 does control at 60fps. Yeahhh idk man this testing seems like a dud lol

[@onikkobe]

Ps5 also can run it with ray tracing lol

[@garypurdy4982]

@@onikkobe not only that but the 1060 is a 4.4 tflop card that's like a ps4 pro

[@ziarmex6167]

This video must have been EXHAUSTING to make ... Still glad you made it !

[@dasistwalter96]

I see the "professional driver" from Cyberpunk has returned for this video

[@jonnypena7651]

What that means?

[@pobbityboppity1110]

Being bad at a racing game means all of the cars are in front of you, producing maximum load.

[@brian_sipe]

@@pobbityboppity1110 Yes, that driving was on purpose, barely an inconvenience...

[@VoltageLP]

At least console guys have shadows in their games now

[@thanos2420]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good one buddy

[@Channel9iNE]

i cant tell if this is a joke or youre just stupid

[@VoltageLP]

@@Channel9iNE of course consoles are joke, that was obvious by 2008

[@VoltageLP]

@Jordan Condipodero I don't play Oblivion, sorry

[@KanekiBhaiya]

Huge respect to Patrick •́ ‿ ,•̀

[@owlon225]

'a 4 year old gpu seems like a good starting point' GN picking on consoles 🌚

[@Herbertti3]

Actually just stating facts.

[@denfire5063]

juts facts man they shouldn't get offended by facts

[@NizarElZarif]

DMC5 runs at 4k consoles (ps5/xbsx). He running the PC at 1080p. I think because the capture cards only capture 1080p@120

[@WellytonNandi]

Yeah right, let's pretend that the PS5 is on pair with a 1060 lol Imagine being dumb enough to believe in this bs

[@Wentyl91]

GN assuming console manufacturers don't have access to time machines and can't go into the future to implement a 2020 GPU in a console that took years to make.

[@ishanawate1849]

A reminder of realism for everyone: Neither of the games tested can claim to be particularly well optimised on the PS5, or using it to its limits or with all its hardware level features enabled, they are just about okay at best. Heck the performance and visual settings for Dirt 5 on the ps5 are changing every time with a new patch, sometimes improving and sometimes worsening the framerate and visual quality, not even codemasters know what the settings are anymore. DMC 5 SE is still a PS4 game with RT tacked on with higher res/fps enabled, it isn't a game developed with the PS5 hardware in mind. Also most people I know play the PS5 on their 4k TVs that output at 60Hz max no matter the resolution, maybe a 4k 60 test is in order @Gamers Nexus ?? Also maybe include something like a COD BO: Cold War or Godfall for comparison, more titles please ?? The conclusion at 33:32 is really laughable though !!! Safe to say you are blinded by your own limited testing, data and choice of games. You just told me a console equipped with a 8c/16t Zen 2 CPU and a RTX 2070 class GPU with NVME storage is in fact comparable to a mid to high PC from 2015, where Zen2 and RTX didn't exist and NVME was extreme high end if at all in the avg. consumer space?? Expected better from GN.

[@AaronShenghao]

To their defense, a) it is hard to find games for PS5 AND PC. b) they are comparing PS5's selling point as explained at the beginning of the video.

[@snakeplissken5969]

I count agree more. He’s not even targeting the visual platform that consoles are targeting....4K 60 FPS. If they wanted to do this right they would do a team up with Digital Foundry

[@domthedank5709]

He took three titles from the ps5 that were getting negative feedback about the graphics and general performance, was dissing the ps5 while overlooking the flaws of the pc build that he referenced, and disregarded the specs of the machine and room for optimization on the ps5. This is to be expected from someone who makes a livelihood off of advertising and reviewing pc parts. I’ve been watching GN for a while but man does this call into question if he’s reliable.

[@domthedank5709]

@@AaronShenghao it’s really not too hard to tell that the games that he picked to represent the ps5 where legit the worst ones he could find. Neither of these games would ever be used to test a new pc. Godfall would’ve been good, cod bo Cold War campaign would’ve been good.

[@mustafam3285]

Sounds like a whole lot of excuses and not a lot of data to support your hurt feelings.

[@cramsa]

This channel sets the standard by which others are measured.

[@StellarNinjas]

Another thing I think worth mentioning is the PC has full backwards compatibility for 99.99% of games, plus thanks to emulation you can play basically any console games you own on it upscaled to 4k+

[@billybobjoe198]

You cannot run 16bit applications on a modern PC. You can run into a lot of compatability issues if you try to run games from 1995-2005 too. Which is arguably the golden era of PC gaming. Some games run flawlessly with out a problem, others are lost to time.

[@StellarNinjas]

@@billybobjoe198 I've had massive success with Wine and DOSBox through linux with all eras of game, including late 90s and early 2000s. If you have specifics in mind I could potentially see if they work on my end.

[@Drugsanddragonslul]

@@billybobjoe198 name a single program or game that people didn't figure out how to run on windows 10

[@billybobjoe198]

@@Drugsanddragonslul Cold War by Dreamcatcher, Tuneland, Nile Passage to Egypt, An American Tail Movie Book, Soldier Elite. I can't believe you think literally every PC program ever made to run on Windows machine will run on any windows machine. Do you know what instruction sets are? There are a ton of USB peripherals with driver's that only work on Windows XP and before too. Support ends. Standards change. The world moves on.

[@CMcDonald0101]

Why don’t you play Mario on an emulator vs those choices lol

[@momsbasement656]

Where is the Xbox Series X thermal review you were working on?

[@damienlobb85]

This

[@irishpotato8816]

Probably being worked on.

[@samuelm5140]

Inb4 misunderstanding of this content adding more fuel to the console wars

[@emmata98]

I already see them :(

[@dreddc6064]

@@seahawkd5203 only thing is you would be playing it on 5 year old mid tier rig lol

[@brenlouissurio2404]

Only if you're a 10 year old kid. I have a PC, will get a PS5.

[@Skylancer727]

@@seahawkd5203 Personally I don't want a PS5. A few of the games are cool, but I tend to lock myself down to like 3 games at a time and wouldn't really care about their exclusives anyways. Been playing Persona 4, Satisfactory, and Genshin Impact basically exclusively since each of them came out. If only I had more time for gaming...

[@Skylancer727]

@@brenlouissurio2404 After getting a job, I don't have the time to play that many games. I'll stick to my PC and play about 3 games a year. Basically what I've done since I've finished high school. Just really changes what you have time for.

[@jaypressley]

A PC that can be built for $500 retail is not an equivalent comparison. If Sony is losing money on the PS5, that means the COST OF PARTS is greater than the retail price. When you build a $500 pc, the COST OF PARTS (not retail value) is considerably less than $500.

[@spacekettle2478]

@31:20 Isn't this Sony and Microsoft basically lying by omission?

[@blueishgreen76]

The removal of spectators in 120FPS mode might indicate that the PS5 gets CPU bound at 120 FPS.

[@ut2k4wikichici]

Yeah seems to be the case it's weird like between a 1700 and 3700

[@irishpotato8816]

I wonder if that 3300x was bottlenecking the Gtx 1080? Or more importantly the games wanted more cpu cores and the 3300x was not enough.

[@ut2k4wikichici]

@@irishpotato8816 the ps5 does have a 8c8t mode which is similar to the 3300x 4c8t but higher clocks

[@devchatterjee2955]

@@ut2k4wikichici Incorrect it has 8c16t just like a 3700x albeit at a lower clock speed.

[@blueishgreen76]

@@devchatterjee2955 It's more likely similar to one of the ryzen 7 mobile processors without the base clock hobbled for power efficiency. The rated clock speed being an "up to" for a "variable" frequency rather than a base/boost makes it very unclear what the realistic multi-core clock is.

[@KwabenaOfori13]

Digital Foundry: PS5 comes close to RTX 2080 Gamers Nexus: PS5 comes close to GTX 1060/1070 Call me confused.

[@are3287]

GN is always the most in dept review, and since its a 500 dollar console it's more believable as well.

[@mryellow6918]

it is sorta comparable to the 2080, its just not utilised well and we don't have a big enough suite of games to compare, keep in mind this was high fps comparison not its "4k" options it performs alot better at "4k"

[@dreddc6064]

@@mryellow6918 No lol 1070ti is not 2080.....................................

[@Eyeolus]

@@are3287 this isn’t in-depth at all.

[@ThaexakaMavro]

Digital got it right you gotta be stupid to think a ps5 is equal to a 1060

[@danebeee1]

MY god this video is bad on so many levels guys, I mean really y’all are way better than this.

[@user-rj2hl1ln8f]

How come all your console videos are just bashing ps5?

[@xxcabalxx2369]

its not bashing, just being realistic, the ps5 is pretty good at what it does

[@user-rj2hl1ln8f]

@@xxcabalxx2369 yeah, i watched the whole video and the host is pretty objective more or less, but i like how he's saying it's "elitist to assume everyone can afford/build a pc" and right at the end says "if you want a 4yr old dated machine- it's a ps5" :D. Yes those are not the exact words, but he does sound like an elitist pc master race...

[@lottavernix]

This is why Steve isn't allowed to do scrapyard wars anymore. :-)

[@ashishdeharia9137]

I'd like to know more

[@lottavernix]

@@ashishdeharia9137 His high standards for comparing hardware aren't compatible with LTT's lighthearted approach.

[@jasonschweitzman8961]

His tendency to misdirect, exagerate and reach outrageous conclusions doesnt help either.

[@theincrediblethinker6371]

He is like the Sheldon of gaming

[@adifferentangle7064]

@@jasonschweitzman8961 Are you sad that the PS5 is about as good as most people's PCs before they upgrade?

[@apadana7456]

"We found the GTX 1070 performed a little too well to match the PS5" hahaha

[@brennanbraxton3854]

What about... "yOu NeEd 8 CoReS CpU bEcAuSe CoNsOleS wIlL uSe 8 cOrEs, 6/12 iS dEaD"

[@jonathanlarsen4177]

@@brennanbraxton3854 To be fair, this might even be true in the near future. But yeah lmao the heckin 1070 dude :D

[@GimpyDingo]

But I thought the PS5 had 2070/2080 performance?? /s

[@jonathanlarsen4177]

@Massimo De Grazia This whole discussion was about the super shiny AAA games, which see an enhanced core usage in 2020 / 2021 so that point is fair. Still what you said is true, a PC only needs to be as good as the user needs it to be.

[@MrRyuken22]

Gtx 1070 is 600$ lol ps5 500$. How is that a 500$ pc comparison ?

[@KillingSpree193]

So my RTX2080 is still stronger than the PS5? lol

[@KillingSpree193]

@Transistor Jump Arrogant as fuck.

[@ceo697]

way way stronger

[@ceo697]

@Transistor Jump how is it not true??? this video literally showed a 3300x and a 1060 beating a console yet you’re saying a $700 card isn’t as strong? at it’s best it’s a 2060 and absolutely no more

[@ceo697]

@Transistor Jump u gonna try and rebute anything i say or just be ignorant about it

[@ceo697]

@Transistor Jump that’s what’s in the video we’re literally commenting on, did you watch it?? 💀

[@Jack-jf2gz]

Makes me laugh when people genuinely believe the PS5 would have like a 3070 equivalent GPU or something simply based of the teraflops statistic lmao.

[@zen608]

It looks good on 'paper', get it? LOL

[@ncorcoran29]

Idk digital foundry got it being 8% slower than 3070...

[@ncorcoran29]

For the 400 I paid the fact u need how much money in software to figure all this out lol it looks good enough for 400!

[@ncorcoran29]

A 1060 6gb and i5 6600k dont even come close lol

[@zen608]

@@ncorcoran29 everyone keeps shitting on consoles when the Xbox series s and ps5 are great for just gaming at 300 and 400 USD respectively. Its a great deal

[@Outrider42]

I feel like this really needed some other forms of testing rather than strictly 120 Hz mode that is only available in select games. This dramatically skewed the results, and the conclusion. I get the idea, the 120 Hz modes are basically uncapped. But I don't think it is the best represention of what the consoles are capable of.

[@neonrain9978]

Agree, let them put assassins creed valhalla at 4k head to head. I own a 3090 system pc and a ps5 and although my pc shits on my ps5 this testing isn’t accurate of ps5 usage with 120fps and games they picked

[@sebastianhernandez1228]

@@neonrain9978 exactly, the PS5 beat a 2070 super in Valhalla at 1440p, Digital Foundry tested it

[@JavierFernandezSound]

As you said, the 120 Hz mode is basically uncapped and it's easier to see the max potencial. But This new consoles can do 4k 60 with not much effort (Yes, I know that they often use dinamic resolution to mantain the 60 Fps lock), but still, I don't think that a 1060 6Gb can get even close to that. My 2060 6 Gb can't even reach 40 fps at 4k in devil may cry 5 (i have a 3700x and 2x8 Gb of ram at 3200MHz, it's just a matter that my GPU can't handle high resolutions due to Vram and just not enough horse power). Fps alone is not the whole picture. Yes, everybody knows that PC is much more capable and that's totally fine, it always was like that. If it wasn't for the damn exclusive titles (mainly FF7 remake in my case and other JRPGs) I could not care less about the Ps5. But really, I don't think this is a fair comparison.

[@CoCo.-_-]

@@sebastianhernandez1228 well tbh valhalla runs like shit on pc extremely unoptimised compared to the games shown in this video, while I would agree if you used watch dogs legion as an example but the ps5 does not beat a 2070 super and loses a lot to a 2060 super

[@CoCo.-_-]

@@JavierFernandezSound well you explained why your gpu has problems with 4k what do you expect, the 1070 can outperform the 2060 at 4k in some titles due to having more vram

[@Herbertti3]

Console plebs claim PS5 gpu is comparable to RX 6800. Seems quite far from truth.

[@sebastianhernandez1228]

It's actually comparable to a 2070/super, this testing is flawed. A 1070ti absolutely cannot run newer games like AC Valhalla as well as a PS5.

[@ArthurM1863]

@@sebastianhernandez1228 ac valhalla is an unoptimized trash for pc. Clutter detail at max is not even max on pc compared to console. I wouldnt use valhalla as an example

[@CoCo.-_-]

@@sebastianhernandez1228 another wrong one, ac valhalla is an unoptimized pile of shit on pc use watch dogs 3 to compare and it shows by the exact same people you are quoting a 2060 super beats both next-gen consoles by a nice margin while outputting higher res, more stable framerate and better raytracing. for future reference Ubisoft do not do very good pc ports they seem to get worse and worse, probably due to how they hire people based of what genitals they have or what colour skin they have and not hiring people based on if they are best for the job it can be seen in their work when their engine got a full leak lmao the code was atrocious

[@user-wr5we2xg6h]

@@sebastianhernandez1228 on dmc5 dirt5 boarderlands3 watch dogs3 consoles run like shit and you dare choose the only one game that run decent because it's not opted for pc? DELUSIONAL

[@djmccullough9233]

anyone who claimed that the ps5's cpu is ANY better than a 2080/1080ti, are delusional. it is not near aproaching the 6800 series. they have more gpu cores at MUCH higher clock speeds.

[@Mohamedmsa123]

All the dislikes are from ps5 owners

[@Ricardo29j]

i dont own consoles and im on pc and this video is BS

[@SirSpamaIot]

Don't have a PS5. Hell, never even had a console for the past two generations. But this video is complete bullshit.

[@felixgustafsson1722]

Nah its just people with a brain who dont deepthroat Steve's content when they know its bs

[@74kross]

@@felixgustafsson1722 someone mad they cant afford a proper gaming machine

[@blakecartwright8090]

That screen tearing in dmc5 is gnarly man. Yikes

[@roggiepogi211]

Lol that's nothing to the PC users. Console gamers might cry over screen tearing after transitioning to PC lmao

[@Flyn_Valighn]

Gamers Nexus You should talk to your editor cause he flipped the descriptions at 5:50 and 7:55 but didn't flip the clips just sayin.

[@BernardoHenriques4]

“Did you hear that, 1070! He said you outperform the ps5! Guess we’re stuck together for a few years still”

[@Keivz]

The test was borked. Ps5 runs dmc 5 in reconstructed 4k in high framerate mode. Could have just chosen that option under ‘Rendering method’ in the ox settings for an actual apples to apples comparison

[@Dr.Spatula]

Also, they switched to a 1070ti for everything not DMC.

[@Greenhoodie511]

@@Keivz rx 580 could have matched the performance of the ps5 in DMC 5😊

[@saputrasaputra3347]

meanwhile console peasants are arguing that ps5 is equal to $2000 pc 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@adriano760]

@@Greenhoodie511 🧢

[@hitler69]

a year late and steve still hasn't addressed the bullshit he spew here. amazing.

[@are3287]

PS5 fans: "He's biased! Making the test on 120fps mode makes it cpu bound and is unfair against the PS5!" Also PS5 fans: "The PS5 cpu is a cut down 3700x which is better than the cpu steve used in this pc"

[@the_mpower]

yeah and Digital Foundry already did a test, they showed how ps5 is better then 2060 and 2070

[@williampinnock2256]

@@the_mpower I'm not surprised, GPUs work best when connected to other components.

[@user-jc2in3cp3g]

So I was made to believe that my rtx 2060 was weaker than the new consoles? lmfao im dumb as hell

[@brandulak]

@Transistor Jump Optimisation is one of those fluff words that console people love so much. No bro. If you have fast, good silicon, then these old games should be flying on your hardware. Not stuttering at barely 40 fps in some titles. Optimisation comes when you need to squeeze at least acceptable performance out of a 4 year old console. That's what devs always do at the end of every console generation, anyway.

[@AG-cp2qz]

@Massimo De Grazia Now we have one Dead transistor.

[@AG-cp2qz]

You are not dumb. You are Awake. A Bad dream of Console Pleb Spies trying to brainwash your precious PC MASTERRACE mind with their WEAK but persistent Propaganda has ended. Spread the Truth Brother ! 🙌

[@ce9aftw713]

@Transistor Jump Aw no, not this guy lmao... always defending the honour of his console everywhere he goes 🤣

[@CoCo.-_-]

@Transistor Jump says the dude that probably never worked on a game engine or even written a program for hardware to use

[@Clay3613]

Wouldn't it have been more prudent to wait for newer games designed around the hardware to test against the older PC specs? Two of these games were designed around PS4/Xbox One era.

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

New games will look better

[@StarFissure]

More prudent, perhaps, yet not more expedient.

[@okidave]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@williampinnock2256]

Clearly any comparison is going to be a snap-shot in time. What might be interesting is a comparison of performance of base PS4 at the end of its life versus an equivalent PC of 7 years ago. Cyberpunk anyone?

[@entreri76x]

Dirt five is a new generation game

[@phil1606]

I don't even game, but your information is such good quality of research, design and presentation that I find it very interesting to learn from. Super impressed how much work went into this comparison and the hours of analysis is not lost on your audience with good flow and visuals. Thanks for gaming and passionately nerding out about it in an intelligent way!

[@t1e6x12]

gaem :)

[@xpodx]

Yea he's baller

[@Metalmurphy]

Steve, please don't ruin your reputation just to appease the "pc master race" crowd and get hits. This comparison is so beyond flawed it's scary it actually came out from this channel. And that final segment... Oof... Try running the native 4k mode in DMC on both machines, or an actual recent game like AC Valhalla.

[@69IKON69]

Ya i think Nvidia had a gun to his head

[@ghostthough7874]

Lmao yup. Saying that a GTX 1070 outperforms the PS5 after stating that using a 4 core 8 thread CPU is "comparable" just blew a hole in my mind. Hell the PlayStation 5 is literally IDENTICAL to the 3700X besides being 100 MHz slower compared to the base clock on the discrete desktop CPU. Plus the PlayStation 5 GPU outmatches an RX 5700 XT at 9.75 TF of RDNA 1 with the 10.28 (variable) TF of RDNA 2. Obviously teraflops are a bad comparison, but the PS5 GPU is definitely superior of the RX 5700 XT which is on-par with an RTX 2070 Super which DRASTICALLY outmatches a GTX 1080 Ti even. I'm fucking shocked this video even got released. It's just full of errors from the start.

[@twoc400s5]

PS5 does NOT render 4k native. It uses adaptive resolution scaling in every instance, while also capping performance to 30fps in all instance at 4k res.

[@ghostthough7874]

@@twoc400s5 It uses pure Native 4K without adaptive resolution scaling in multiple games like Astro's Playroom, No Man Sky, etc at locked 60 FPS. Some games use adaptive scaling or lower frame rates, but to say "every instance" is as wrong as this video. You really have no idea what you're talking about clearly

[@ashtonjackfanny]

@@ghostthough7874 miles Morales and demon souls are both native 4k

[@rushnerd]

It's a seriously amazing step forward consoles can now do 120fps. With that said , it's pretty gimmicky right now save for titles that don't require as much GPU horsepower. 4K 60 is all I ask from new consoles because the temptation over time to dip back to 30 is strong.

[@needausernamesoyeah]

I just hope that this brings death to 30fps cutscenes.

[@nukularpictures]

Well if they can not really manage 1080p @ 120fps how will they manage 4k @ 60fps? That is still double the load. So you would have to lower the settings even more. Super Resolution is the only way how they will be able to run at those levels. Lets see what MS with AMD will create there.

[@blueishgreen76]

By all accounts what they are managing is 1440 at 60 Hz with upscaling to 4k. On a PS5, its apparent that they are inducing the equivalent of a CPU bottleneck trying to hit 120 fps.

[@rushnerd]

@@blueishgreen76 I have no idea what res games use that are "4K" on the system, but Days Gone says it uses "dynamic" 4K 60. Played countless hours of it last month and to me it looked like solid 4K, really impressive.

[@nukularpictures]

@@rushnerd To be honest: If you do not have a comparison, and with consoles you often do not have one, it is hard to spot the differences between Full HD and 4k. Especially if you sit a bit further away from the tv or have a smaller one. If they then use the dynamic scaling well you wont be able to tell.

[@liaminwales]

Tetris on PS5 is going to rock at 8K

[@leito3969]

Tetris goty edition 2021 exclusive 120fps on xbox going to rock at 8k

[@viewtifulmike]

"it's equivalent to gaming performance for a mid to high end PC from about five years ago" - 2021 Steve two years before GPUs released that year are unable to play games that run on PS5

[@officialteaincorporated243]

They can run the games perfectly well on the same graphical settings the ps5 uses, just not 60fps ultra 4k raytracing which is what people expected for nvidia this time

[@MrDarkjustice30]

Companies love using work play to get people to buy their product, then say you dodnt understand what they meant when it doesnt live up to expectations