Powerful, but not Broken? - Modern Horizons 3 Roundup

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[@theguywiththetail]

26:23 The art on this is pretty cool. It looks like he's coming back through Beble's Portal that he previously had to escape through back in Nemesis.

[@iamnill_real]

it's funny that the title "powerful, but not broken" was so much more interesting to me than a "wow these are so broken" title.

[@bluecadet3able]

That's what everyone does

[@japplek]

It's so true. I am sick of cards that are power level 9,000 in commander. Must answer threats with protection up the backside or infinite ham sandwiches make the game-space smaller, not bigger.

[@boringmonkey6958]

I agree, "powerful, but not broken" is far more interesting than just straight up broko. However, I think it's still a little too early to make any judgements like this. Remember everyone thought Fury was the weakest elemental from MH2 lol

[@androkguz]

I hope this catches on. Perhaps at one point our collective reject for power creep will hurt wotc's sales enough that they counter player's personal desire for power

[@marcoottina654]

​@@androkguzsadly nope, because too many people just want to stamp over everybody and/or have the maximum power available, therefore they will chase for those broken cards, buying boxes, boosters or singles from others who seek to sell stuff toward the former type of people. "Demand and offer", as always. Nothing more, just dry marketing. (A dry and sandy c**k up the "balanced and fun game" 's ass)

[@nicholasjohnston9737]

Crazy how many people look at flare of duplication and don't know where it fits in a storm deck.. sacrifice your red mana bear when you cast your storm spell, and hello, you only need half as much storm count. It also works as an emergency counter to an incoming counter spell from opponent. Copy their flusterstorm sounds pretty good imo. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[@LakeVermilionDreams]

Storm triggers on cast. Not copy.

[@beerman2000]

Notably Koz doesn't say "may manifest" "What's that Bob?". "You've got 2 cards in hand?"

[@RotatingMagnetGuy]

Funny you should imagine brainsurge being multiple brainstorms stapled together, because that's exactly what it is. Casting two brainstorms back to back. First you draw three put two back, then you draw another three but the first two are the ones you already know about, so effectively that's a draw four

[@danielgraves13]

"What's a 1 mana 1/1 in black?" Festering goblin

[@Lycandros]

Could go old school with Carnophage? Not a 1/1 but definitely fits the flavor.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

warren soultender + blood artist + gravecrawler GG

[@VBane]

My top Possible BBB Black Trenchcoats.... 1. Bloodier Pets - 3/3 that sacs for BBB 2. Sarxophages - 6/6 that deals 3 to you when becomes tapped. 3. Festering Throng - 3/3 that on death distributes 3 -1/-1 counters. 4. Miserly Misers - 3/3 that reduces opponents max hand size by 3.

[@alchadylan4592]

Kozilek isn't optional. You can force someone to Manifest

[@TheGoodColonel]

An often missed fact about it. Came here to say that.

[@edpaolosalting9116]

Personally, I like it. Also a question, since its Mana base says Colorless, can I still slot it in to any deck? I have a whisperwood elemental and want to try some synergy.

[@alchadylan4592]

@@edpaolosalting9116 yes

[@toaster4598]

@@edpaolosalting9116the only time colored mana can’t pay for colorless spells is for the colorless diamond symbol, ex on thought knot seer or warping wail. All eldrazi titans are playable in any deck and can be paid with 10 colored mana

[@DE3rules]

Six is actually probably after it was attached to Wrenn, as it was told that she separated from Six to let Six live out its remaining days as a mighty yet ordinary oak, but Six would probably not have been named Six until Wrenn melded with it.

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

I did not expect an Oblation Dispenser

[@caseyaldrich6864]

Kozielek isn't a may ability which is a big thing. If you can its decent to pick yourself and a control player because they probably don't have creatures in their hand, making it a 9/9, 2 5/4s, draw 4 and op discards 2 and gets 2 2/2s

[@thatguyintherain3168]

I personally love the new Koz and feel so many people sleep on the fact that his ability can basically rip 2 cards out of hand. Even if the opponent manifests 2 creatures, they still have to pay to flip them, and you can always just kill them before they flip.

[@Medicinalmagic911]

Flare of CULTIVATION with Veteran Explorer 🎉🎉❤❤ 0:33

[@Medicinalmagic911]

Legacy NIC FIT lives!!!

[@teunfish9189]

three shadows in a trenchcoat {B}{B}{B} ~ gets -X/-X, where X is three times your life total 39/39

[@davidhower7095]

Drowner of Truth is gonna see play just because it’s a land that pitches to Labyrinth

[@clocksvids]

I am unbelievably excited for modern horizons 3. It seems like a set that will change modern but it won’t warp itself around it

[@robinigney6354]

vince and math: a dangerous duo

[@zramirez5471]

Disciple of Freyalise should definitely see play in mono green

[@giantdad5934]

21:48 Warren Soultrader is the easiest "infinite" with Gravecrawler I've ever seen.

[@Abby_Affchen]

Also chatterfang

[@marcoottina654]

You need to gain a life back (Which is easy in green or white, therefore Orzgov, Golgari or Abzan)

[@MusicoftheDamned]

​​@@marcoottina654A good point. I thought there was a mono-black Zombie that could gain life repeatedly and with ease (read: without needing a sacrifice) at this point between all the power creep and literally thousands of cards each year, but apparently not still. It seems easiest to go Orzhov then since Wayward Servant is a 2-drop that both gains *and* drains life, so you kill them literally twice as fast while not losing any life. EDIT: I'm being dumb my fatigue and restricting myself to Tribal for some reason. In mono-Black you can literally just play Blood Artist for the same effect, if a bit squishier.

[@RedCometNurse]

Brainsurge is objectively the best blue 3-mana Draw spell. It is Quick Study but better.

[@TubbyBubbleLove42]

Three Blood Pets or three Festering Goblins

[@MichaelMUTHECAPPMHBCEGA]

I do like the cut of your Jib and your opinion is always on point!

[@PleasantKenobi]

JOIN US ON PATREON/DISCORD. JOOOOOOOIN US.

[@rocker1296]

I don't play Modern, but I could see Flare of Duplication being kinda nuts in any mono red aggro deck that uses lightning bolt or anything like that. Go to attack for turn, then lightning bolt and FoD sacing one of your super cheap creatures, to extend your reach from 3 to 6.

[@henrye3935]

I want Bant Eldrazi to be a thing again so bad. Exile the dual land to play the sol land. T2 Thoughtknot. Hell yeah.

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

Evolution witness in Tayam is nasty.

[@marcoottina654]

8:15 you could sacrifice an Atraxa, easily allowing you to cast a second copy of Atraxa 28:55 add a Gaga's Blessing to re-shuffle back your graveyard into your library! Wait .. how many mythics are there? Even more than rare cards? What js this, a reversed pyramid, where there are less commons diversity thant mythics?

[@spacelizbian]

warren soultrader feels like it'll be another pitiless plunderer in my meren deck. just another thing that goes infinite with things like gravecrawler

[@Abby_Affchen]

Warren soultrader also combos with chatter fang so

[@memedeli]

Have we talked about how ugins labyrith is going to be insane? Possible turn 2 one ring is wild for modern

[@joefekete4384]

I think the flare of duplication might see play in red deck wins to copy burn spells to finish off games. ONLY to finish off games, as you obviously don't want to sac creatures till you don't need them anymore.

[@VilaDeCuba]

Warren Soultrader is a zombie for grave crawler

[@mikemanard3847]

I feel like Brainsurge should've maybe been draw 5, put 3 back.

[@GeorgeAlone2277]

one thing about brainsurge is that rhino's can play it since they dont want to play anything 1-2cmc and they can put their drawn rhino's back on top

[@PleasantKenobi]

That's pretty gas actually

[@Rizso1]

ulamog unlike others is a reasonable reanimation target.

[@radicard5193]

42:40 Because this is a land, I actually think this is fine enough in Commander. At 5 mana you'd probably be using this to stabilize your life total, so giving your biggest guy lifelink and flying is pretty solid in my book.

[@robmarney]

Cephalid Coliseum is a big deal. It's an untapped blue land that's also a combo piece. Waterlogged Teachings wishes it could be this efficient.

[@Lleldorellin]

Did they make three putrid goblin in a trenchcoat yet ? I could really see that one.

[@cameronmoerer6244]

White Orchid Phantom is supposed to just be the opposite of Knight of the White Orchid. Instead of ramping you for them having more, it's destroying theirs. That being said, I've already put together a Mono White D&T list with it. I've kept it mono white because i'll be running Winter Moon in the SB, and running too many basics in a two color might make the white orchid phantom a little too hard to cast when dealing with Winter Moon. But I mean, it's called Winter Moon right? What makes you think of mono white more than winter?

[@markcarr154]

I hope they staple three gnat misers together as the black member of the cycle.

[@danieledwards4310]

As a commander player I don't find this set very exciting and I'm glad, because this is a modern set and not every set should be aimed at the commander format

[@gildarmesh3809]

flare of fortitude looks good for commander... until you realize it does not stop commander damage kill. it is essentially a free tefari's protection so it will be crazy expensive though.

[@ana-alyciajuarez5958]

Why isn’t the emperor of bones legendary?! Why won’t they give us the skeleton matters skeleton commander we crave?! Also, the new Eriette loves Dog Umbra, sure there targets are less targets, but you get the creature you enchant online and if your opponent gets the creature back with the enchantment still on it, it turns back off!

[@Smashman4ever]

To note: Wheel of Potential says "May" so you can't rip your opponent's entire hand for 2R+0 energy. Edit: Missed him saying that.

[@PleasantKenobi]

I know. I said that in the video.

[@Smashman4ever]

@@PleasantKenobi Missed that. Sorry.

[@PleasantKenobi]

No harm! Thanks for watching, and getting involved.

[@tripleeyeemoji2685]

Commander horizons 3… commander continues to suck the life from other formats.

[@mikeowens40]

Flare of duplication is slamming into my rocco sunforger deck. Another tastey "me too" ramp/removal, or a counter counter 🤤

[@kylejohnson4662]

I literally cracked open a Dr. Pepper as I clicked on the video

[@31codyskater]

For what its worth it says up to 2 players on kozalik but the manifest for the chosen player it not a may so if you choose them they have to manifest 2. In most cases its about as good as discard 2 for 2 opponents cause like swan song giving 2/2 is worthless while the cards they place can be needed land drops, some kind of noncreature that they can never flip or an etb creature they will never get the etb on.

[@wyattcalcote5867]

24:15 3 deaths shadows 😏😏

[@epochsgaming]

Bro, this is fantastic, but also, do you actually expect mtg players to do 39 - 3x life total? We can barely read

[@waffleman2211]

Petition to rename Harbinger of the Seas to Magus of the Blue Moon

[@51gunner]

Pearl-Ear seems funny if you play removal auras like Buried in the Garden or Ossification - If you're willing to take the risk of double-enchanting a single land and hoping your opponent doesn't destroy the land, they'll be removal spells that cantrip and make other enchantments cheaper. It's going to be utterly disgusting in a Light-Paws Commander deck though and offsets one of the weaknesses that deck has (removing Light-Paws, ideally in response to an aura on the stack). This is a backup commander from the 99 that acts as card draw.

[@t0lar]

Free spells always make me apprehensive, especially if it’s some kind of interaction, the problem comes down to the fact that it promotes what use to be considered risky plays, where you tap out and curve out for the turn, it use to be you need hold mana for a counter spell or removal, or in MH3 case board protection which forces players to weigh up the risk and rewards of going full steam. Nowadays you can just play everything out without thinking about it and not get punished because you have a piece of interaction in your hand that you can pretty much throw out anytime.

[@kvar_runeback]

Now, am I the crazy one for thinking they don't care at all anymore because they changed half of the keywords for this edition? A lot of the leaks I've seen I dismissed for things like "the keyword isn't umbra armor, it's totem armor", or same with tribal spells/enchantments now being kindred? Why WotC, why????

[@gingermlg]

I love the idea that you think using Kozilek as a "politic tool" in Commander, when in reality in most commander games it basically says "each opponent discards 2 cards from their hand, manifest 2 big dumb idiots from your hand, draw 8" Edit: I missed the "up to 2 target players" turns out reading the card helps.

[@51gunner]

This Kozilek is "up to 2 target players". So I'm not sure exactly how you're targeting each opponent and yourself.

[@gingermlg]

Okay I did miss that. My bad

[@PleasantKenobi]

I love that you missed that. 🤣

[@MrMariaTTVArchive]

if somehow playing you have a deck that can play necrobloom and 5U "new perspectives" and a cycling land. u can mill your whole deck

[@majestyzx9081]

Wumpus aberration is one of my favorites in Modern Horizons 3 so far. It's going in so many of my commander decks. Just allowing someone else at the table to play any creature from their hand sounds like it's a strong parity play for only 4 Mana. Not to mention it saving you from being targeted by allowing someone else to drop a real threat as early as turn 3-4.

[@wyattcalcote5867]

30:05 does the new batterskull equip to the germ or whatever it was attached to?? weird ruling

[@dragade101]

I love the Power - Top combo lol but people will be pissed at you for topping so much

[@p1k4nurxp13sr]

Red one is a cedh card

[@Trefalgr]

Glasswing Grace is playable in Eriette, the Beguiler. There is only a short list of 5 mana enchants that do something other than steal a creature which kinda make the commander's ability redundant. So I'm happy to see it as a tool for that deck.

[@GmanH]

There's no "arguably more good" when talking about Harbinger of the Sea being better than than Magus of the Moon - there are 17 Merfolk that either have or grant islandwalk, including the OG Lord of Atlantis. There's only one human that does anything with Mountainwalk, Cave People; which was a support card for Blood Moon from the same set that originally brough us the red menace (apparently someone thought Blood Moon might not be good enough on its own?!) and barely even saw play when it came out. Harbinger has the potential to leap Merfolk up several tiers in commander; it makes an army unblockable whilst shutting everyone else down on virtually any table. It's prof's wet dream. ha. wet. Merfolk. See what I did there?

[@LilFlame2001]

Really excited to upgrade my elves deck in modern, hope more goodies are on the way.

[@infernalryo2740]

If we get the black 3 mana of 3 old school one drops I think it’ll be blood pets or putrid flock of imps lol

[@dylannicholas1914]

Black is just getting sooo many goodies in this set. Just saw the black connive land that is going in so many of my decks.

[@jackpabich763]

I could see the Phoenix going into the Colossification aura/reanimator deck

[@Billchu13]

Not dead after all my grief and sacrifice it to new free spell before bringing it back and getting 2 triggers. Add it to existing scam combo

[@camdenharper7244]

Does anyone else find it odd that the eldrazi titans keep getting smaller?

[@umbertoandre7335]

I wonder if it will be possible to create a balustrade spy modern deck with the new modal land that bolt you

[@apeofjustice7109]

I love the idea of using Argent Dias on my own creature in response to an opponents removal spell, get myself some gas after my opponents has spent a card and mana

[@FluxChanneler]

Wrath of the Skies at X=0 with Enchanted Evening/Mycosynth Lattice is a two-mana Armageddon, lol. This will fit nicely into my land destruction deck that already runs both permanents.

[@kwagmeijer26]

Evolution Witness is nuts in Tayam EDH decks.

[@davidsnedden4796]

Glad the flares are at least not mythic this time... god damn free spells at mythic is such a massive mistake when it comes to market prices.

[@michaeltate6367]

It is so wild to me that we just got the first ever actual instant speed Divination (a 3 mana unconditional draw 2) not that long ago with Quick Study, and now we're talking about if Brainsurge will see play anywhere when it is WAAAAAY more powerful

[@SilverAlex92]

Ikr?

[@alexanderficken9354]

yeah brainsurge is a card im picking up a few copies of for that reason, basically good everywhere

[@ethanhopper2467]

yeah I think people are way too dismissive of that card, gonna be good somewhere

[@marcoottina654]

​@@alexanderficken9354unless against Sheoldred or Orchish Bowmaster

[@alexanderficken9354]

@@marcoottina654 so is ancestral recall a bad card because sheoldred exists? lol

[@thealanwrencher]

I truly loved this

[@PleasantKenobi]

The video format?

[@thealanwrencher]

The video format for sure. I enjoyed the balanced appraisal of the cards coupled with the vibe. Really captured the essence of going through spoilers with a buddy. Plus I just find you generally funny, so that helps. Thanks for the enjoyable video!

[@janderson9413]

I'm down for a free Soul Shatter

[@Aigis31]

I love the new Titans so much. Kozilek manifesting creatures makes me so happy as someone who loves both Eldrazi and face-down creature mechanics in general. All of them feel super cool, unique, and powerful without being broken! Fantastic designs.

[@Croockers47]

Instantly comes to mind for me with Flare of Duplication is it basically doubles dual-caster mage.

[@jarzz3601]

just to clarify cause I don't understand cast triggers ulamog doesn't gain +1/1 counters for the cards it exiles from it's own cast trigger on it's etb right?

[@Rikka_Igana]

Cast trigger resolves first while ulamog is on the stack. Then upon resolution ulamog enters the battlefield then gets counters.

[@kieranheaton4951]

Was the card in question for the flare of malice by chance stitchers supplier?

[@PleasantKenobi]

YES!

[@kieranheaton4951]

@@PleasantKenobi Glad I could help!

[@envies_ephemeres]

Arna is gross. Anyone who sits at my table with this thing at the helm is immediately Archenemy. (That and Ulalek). Seriously, WTF were you thinking, Wizards? Also find Sorin's theme a bit odd. I get that food gives life, but thematically, the flavor seems really off.

[@zztzgza]

I think the flares will be broken. Having the ability to be cast for free is inherently broken. I don't know why wotc even bothers to print free spells with stipulations as if that stipulation somehow balances the fact that it's a free spell.

[@deanofcool]

Vince, you kept saying “you’re bin” for emporer of bones. Just to say it doesn’t have to be your bin, I don’t know if that matters or changes your opinion of the card?

[@donladplaysgames4036]

Ulamog the Defiler in a Tron/Hardened scales mash up could be a fun experiment

[@casually_lurking]

This set confirms we're going full Yugioh; bolt every ability of a nonpermanent (read as Spell/ Trap equals Instant/ Sorcery) on to a body then scratch your head when entire card types aren't viable anymore because giving a body PLUS the same benefit will always be the better play. Factor in permanent recursion & support, and viola- why print instants & sorceries except for REALLY niche strategies when you can play the universally stromger option?

[@theabrandt6177]

I think flare of cultivation is maybe useful in amulet titan? It can replace a second grazer in one of the 2 turn kills, and it can technically replace a grazer or explore in the other version as long as you have a dryad or out. Also if somehow you end up with no amulet in opening hand but you have a grazer, it means 3 lands on turn one with a fourth fetched, albeit all basics Also in a format with grief etc, emperor of bones seems relevant to grab your opponents pitched evokes. Your solitude is now my solitude, and I get to swing with it or whatever

[@dontstealmydiamondsv3156]

I cant be the only one who sees the typo on Dog Umbra right?

[@epochsgaming]

Uh, yes? What typo?

[@dontstealmydiamondsv3156]

It says umbra armor instead of totem armor

[@epochsgaming]

Not a typo. Umbra is correct now. Same reason they got rid of tribal.

[@dontstealmydiamondsv3156]

Oh ok that's fine on its own. But it certainly rings hollow when in the same breath they turn around and print yet another batch 'shaman' creatures

[@three-card-dead]

so many fucking hot takes bro holy shit

[@PleasantKenobi]

Thanks.

[@ApoEdvarg]

I want 4 fuckin copies of white orchid phantom :') Perfect to me

[@ApoEdvarg]

Wrath of the Skies looks like a powered up version of the recent WB card Pest Control. You can do the same for 1 extra mana on the first copy (or better hitting also artifact lands or urza's saga), or just blow up much more for more mana or on the second copy. It doesn't have cycle but still

[@Lycandros]

Wait, is Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student a mono blue commander or Simic?

[@PleasantKenobi]

UG. Colour Identity cares about both sides.

[@Lycandros]

@@PleasantKenobi So weird. I always thought when it came to commander the cards needed pips in the cost and/or text to be considered x identity.

[@SWAT6809]

@@Lycandros it does, the backside has a color indicator which tracks the color of the card

[@ernie.zer0]

Thinking about Kozilek in my Kadena Morph deck. That Ulamog artwork is gorgeous!

[@faerie7dragon]

The aura land for Selesnya looks crazy to me, I will put it on Bant Shanna right away. Nomad Stadium more available for King Darien EDH, woohoo!

[@marcoottina654]

Any enchantress deck would need it: it's a massive pump on late game and a color fixing in the First turns. It's perfect. It's mana cost could also be reduced since it's both an enchantment and an Aura

[@Illeprih]

Emperor of Bones could be cool if you Cauldron a Lion Sash. Giving your entire graveyard unearth for 1 white.

[@ToastydragoN0514]

30:30 Love this design, its a great enabler for anyone trying to do the Gitrog+Dakmor Salvage combo in edh. Since you just dont need dakmor salvage to set it off then. I play a sultai deck that uses this combo as an infinite mill source and a card selection engine, but I may try to build a abzan version to give this commander a shot

[@nickjoseph77]

Warren Soultrader looks very strong. I never play aristocrats but it seems like 0 mana, sac a token to make a mana over and over on a big turn.

[@SilverAlex92]

I think that Pearl Earl Imperial Advisor has a chance with Eldrazi Conscription, because if it resolves, you get to cast the Eldrazi Aura for freeish before the advisor can be Solituded. Because after the fox resolves, your stack is empty, and you have priority, so you can cast your aura before anyone takes action.

[@smartkaboose3806]

You need 6-8 auras plus more than 3 mana (or 3 counters on an Aether vial or similar) in order to do that. Seems like overkill if you've already got a creature suited up with 6-8 auras.

[@LakeVermilionDreams]

"PEARL EARL" New nickname unlocked!

[@Mulletdog1]

This is my favorite set in the last 3 years. If you’re a universes beyond fan, more power to you, this set is what magic 30th anniversary should’ve been

[@Frogleeoh]

I do like Dominaria Remastered as a 30th anniversary product tho

[@Mulletdog1]

@@Frogleeoh I’m referencing those 1000 dollar box of proxies 😪

[@TiredMages]

Feels like Brainsurge may be a spicy option in dredge? Dredge a bunch, and put two of your dredge targets back on top of your library to get dredged again?

[@Rizso1]

flare of fortitude + ad nause

[@rendevoir4736]

I'll be most certainly testing White Orchid Phantom in Historic in Soulherder. That's gonna be wild

[@SIRLagalot007]

Ulamog is insane, imprint immediately lets you secure a massive ulamog, imprint with new ugins maze a big 10 cmc card, tron out ulamog then get the imprinted card back

[@WitherFang]

Kozilek: NEIN NEIN NEIN! :3