Plowing driveways

A few of the driveways on my route

[@tylerebert7563]

I’ve watched this video about 4 times now over the weeks. I have a landscaping company and this year instead of doing the snow blowing, other guys do and I plow. Got a Boss V and your video is very helpful on ideas on where to put snow and how to maneuver it well. Thanks man!

[@GeorgeBonez]

I’m kinda doing the same thing as you. 😊

[@btcarrier8]

Light snow makes it look quick and easy. A lot of people don’t understand that when there is a storm of 10” plus, you have to change the way you plow. Won’t be back dragging all those driveways the way you did. Also by the end of the season there is no place to stack all the snow. Big time saver not having to shovel any of your customers. I shovel in front of garages and walk way when I plow. Takes extra time but keeps customers happy.

[@hunterperrault4596]

Same and I try to get there driveways as wide as I can

[@ryanbrown5993]

If the storm is 10 plus inches you wanna go out multiple times and keep up with not wait till the end so you could very easily back drag a few inches each time

[@MrWuWatt]

True I'd back in plow out in those cases then backblade in front of the garage, turn around and push it out too. These nice big driveways on the country road would be a pleasure to plow. Try the new subdivisions.... All the cars on the roads.

[@Swanlord05]

Do what ya gotta do......git er done

[@wjtwjt1889]

There is something deeply satisfying watching this video

[@HDDynalowrider]

Try it for real..its some fun..

[@quentiniojensen3885]

Its probably because this guy is so good at it. Most plows in my area just push it all to my garage and we have to shovel out the mounds

[@llegnd]

Yes you not doing the work lol

[@damagedx714]

I knew I wasn't the only one

[@kentrush8250]

Combination of skillful driving along with knowledge of your route made this video vary enjoyable to watch. Thanks for your efforts!

[@MyGreenLawn2019]

I'm in MN - Fun to see these videos. I will be doing Plowing for the first time with year. I already purchased my Boss plow, but I need to get it setup on my 2020 F350. I sure hope I can learn this! lol

[@jeremyfulton22]

How did it go? I'm up in Northern MN. We got allot of snow last season.

[@peteragersea377]

1984 to 2016 this was my life 1 truck to start 6+ at one time state work commercial and residential. In the northeast of Boston I like your style

[@IAmMoparNut]

Not knocking you, just a little jealous lol, but I don't think I've ever seen a route with so many contracts so close together, and every driveway was easy peasy. Had a few contracts in the City of Buffalo- those are a dammed nightmare.

[@fitzsfixes]

You're exactly right. It took me years to weed out the difficult driveways, and get the easy neighbors. I love being able to pull into a neighborhood and bang out 20 driveways in 45 minutes

[@basspig]

And its all flat country too. Rare to see a level driveway where I live.

[@MrWuWatt]

@@fitzsfixes 20 in 45min? Omg, you're the man.

[@71jdonn]

26:45 Trash can talent, perfect placement

[@basspig]

Its nice when the driveways are flat and wide like this. All of mine were the ones other plow drivers refused. 40 percent slope with corkscrew turns, narrow drives on steep grades, uneven tilt to the driveway. I did them all in the 80s. Smaller truck easier to maneuver. Now I have a big commercial truck and its only good for roads and parking lots. Small driveways would be very difficult.

[@jackcoberly2705]

I had a landscaping business for over 25 years. Snow removal was a big part of that. I know you are busy and have lots of accounts, but you aren't doing a complete job. The least you could do is shovel away from the garage doors. I had 2 people with me. They would jump out and clear the front of the garage doors and then do the sidewalks. Thorough job. Happy customers.

[@fitzsfixes]

That's fine, if that's the service you offer. If I offered that, I'd have to charge double or more, especially if I had other guys in the truck with me. Over here, everyone is fine with the service myself and countless other companies provide. We're not in an area that gets a ton of snow.

[@jackcoberly2705]

@@fitzsfixes My average charge was $30 per snow event for residential. Takes under 10 minutes per each with clearing the sidewalks. 6 per hour $20 per hour to the help. Still putting $140 in my pocket. No reason to charge double.

[@harryhogan-shaw5472]

I love these plowing videos keep it up!!!

[@Swanlord05]

Love the sound of that V8

[@zakjohn3057]

Could watch these all day

[@someguyfrommaine]

The care put into these lines...you must make people’s lawns look like golf courses.

[@ronlindner9012]

Great Operator, cautious and professional

[@dougmckenzie680]

Ditto auto pilot , fast and through ! you do great work !

[@jroogden8749]

I am so happy for you that you were to help people to plow snow and I am new to your channel and I used to do that here in my town to plow snow for people and I love it I would make anything from $50 to about $1000 A month me and my friend used a tractor called a ditch witch 50 inch blade ❄️🌨🚜🚨☃️☃️💵

[@gearjammer2107]

damn!!!... you're good at that. .... The first driveway you did, Hell I would have caved in the side of that car with the plow, lol.

[@bryannize]

That's how it's done. Don't shovel a thing, never get out of the truck, at least $60 a pop...exactly how we do it

[@alg1124]

Skilled driver. I've seen alot that have no plan or idea.

[@denniskahl9937]

I have a 9 foot Boss V and do much the same thing but I NEVER drive over fresh snow, leaves hard packed tracks that over the winter builds up. .......You plow towards the garage and then pick the blade up and over the pile and drag it out to the street. In our community you do not leave piles at the street. Simply roll the snow up on the side of the street just like the city plow. My customers would not be happy if I piled snow at the end of the their driveway like this guy did. When I leave the job there are no piles, piles promote drifting and the US mail will not deliver if you pile snow at the mail box, much easier than the way this man did it. Can't believe he pushed the garbage can into the pile of snow. I do the gentleman thing and get out and move them.

[@fitzsfixes]

So what you're saying is you've never plowed before? I'm sorry, but everything you just said is wrong. Let me tell you why. Let's say you actually plowed forward first before going over the pile to backdrag. (1) I don't care how smooth the driveway is. You're going to leave tire tracks no matter what. (2) if you push towards the garage, what if that pile is over 2' tall? You plow doesn't go up higher, and you'll leave snow closer to the garage door. (3) the A frame on the plow, when lowered, will pack the snow down under it causing the blade not to be able to rest 100% on the driveway, causing residue left behind. (4) you can't take all the snow and windrow it down the street without getting some on the apron of the neighbors driveway. Also it's illegal to leave all the snow in the road. I think that's it for now. So nice try telling everyone you're an experienced plow driver.... you're just not. Sorry

[@fitzsfixes]

And 1 more thing. Who's to say I'm the first 1 to drive on the driveway during or after a fresh snowfall? You think customers are locked down till the driveway is cleared? I have no idea where your community is, but if they're that critical about a tire track or 2, you can keep them. In our area, people actually still drive while it's snowing! I know weird, right?

[@DudeGuy-zt9eg]

I’m thinking about getting a truck and plow this winter, at 17 I think it’ll be a good side job, go around town asking to plow and get some clients, jam to some music in a heated truck, what’s a better winter job!

[@rws99l]

Great Video, I've been plowing 20 years now.

[@MrWuWatt]

How'd you get all these customers on the same road??!! Bing bang boom

[@bradleybooth6318]

Flooded garages in the spring and driving all over the snow. Good plow contractor would get out and shovel.

[@ryleywarfield2437]

Lol Stfu

[@rlcl4913]

Do you go back in the spring and fix all of the grass you dug up?

[@fitzsfixes]

Lol, yes if there's anything we dig up, we go back and fix in the spring.

[@betterthanboost]

just watched a thousand dollar route (25 driveways @ $40=$1000...... good work, and makes me wanna work on my plow truck) if i could just do each house on my own street id be happy with like $400 per snowfall

[@davidmcnerney3048]

That's a tight route.

[@munsters2]

You're lucky that your jobs are so close together. Interesting video.

[@elevationlandscape]

I wonder how they like all that snow pushed up into the garages. 🤨

[@fitzsfixes]

"All that snow pushed up into garages". Did we watch the same video? Where was snow "pushed up into garages"?

[@ericbosley5754]

Great video keep them comeing !

[@greencomfortliving4909]

turn and burn baby, good work

[@gee.rapp.8970]

Man i watch your whole plowing video you are amazing with your back drag and the way you do all your driveways the same way.You should do plow classes.Take care and i will hit the like button...Thanks.

[@gee.rapp.8970]

Give me some tips on how to break down walmarts lowes?

[@no.9266]

Do you charge a flat rate? And if so how much

[@gonzaloguerrero5514]

How much do you charge for a 100% clean on those houses? If you don’t mind me asking. Great job

[@rolfekurtyka-bestrealestat9326]

What type of vehicle?

[@jaybaar1]

Great route, great equipment, great skill. Back-dragging entire driveway's is lazy man's plowing. Back drag only enough to get the truck in then push it out. Sure it may take five more minutes but your customer's will be getting a much better job.

[@fitzsfixes]

Thanks! May be lazy, but when you're in a time crunch, getting the driveways clear enough to get out of is the goal. We go back and so cleanups while everyone is out for the day

[@jeffshultz3883]

I have been plowing for 30 + years. Very good job!! Only my opinion I have to share with you is to plow the best way you do the way you know the best that works for you. That's all I have! You seem to do just fine the way that works for you.

[@respectmyauthoritah1875]

@@jeffshultz3883 That's what I tell everyone when they ask me how to plow. Do what works best for you. If you screw up enough you learn. (I bought more than one mailbox)

[@mr007769]

Believe it or not I am actually learning a lot about plowing driveways from this video.

[@dzlf2504]

Don't cause he's not that good

[@carterkillorn7328]

Always wondered what r the poles for on the side

[@jamesnm21]

So you can see where the corners of your plow are when it's down.

[@bobcarter5772]

To see your plow when it's down and to mark out the edge of the driveway or curbs or grass basically any objet(s) that people don't want to be plowed.

[@jdenmark1287]

The first one you did, you didn’t plow out the house on the left but you piled snow on their garage? That’s not cool beans.

[@Nfl_fan_12]

Probably because nobody lives there do you see any cars parked in that House's driveway

[@jdenmark1287]

@@Nfl_fan_12 that’s rather immaterial as the snow can cause structural and water damage.

[@Nfl_fan_12]

@@jdenmark1287 no shit but that won't it's too little it has to be like 10 inch snow storm or more to do that

[@429thunderjet2]

Why do you back drag w the plow in the scoop position? I put mine straight or slighly V so it acts like a scoop back dragging. I try to avoid pilling snow by the road and mailboxes. Also I always run a snow deflecter on the top edge of my plow, it helps keep the snow from blowing up on the windshield.

[@fitzsfixes]

It just looks like I do. It’s usually straight, but because the wings are flared up, it looks like it in the scoop position

[@429thunderjet2]

@@fitzsfixes gotcha, an optical illusion from camera placement 👍

[@ohiodigger4391]

Do you have to plow in 4WD doing driveways like this?

[@hsun7997]

Your plow sounds like a robot

[@tonysoprano6651]

there must be an HOA in that neighborhood. I've never seen anything or anyone private go through a neighborhood like that before

[@fitzsfixes]

No hoa. There's a ton of us that have multiple houses in one neighborhood

[@phillipw1732]

thats some great route density

[@Sara-L]

Not bad, but word of advice: Don't pile snow against a building. I've seen walls cave in due to the immense weight of the snow (and vehicle) against them.

[@thicok4555]

Very true ive seen it happen

[@uziiontakev2ymca479]

Really good plowing skills

[@CountrysideStrong]

Good video buddy

[@6.8SuperDutyDriver]

Randy, you guys get much snow out your way?

[@CountrysideStrong]

@@6.8SuperDutyDriver another 4" storm early Sunday morning. Supposed to get 4-8 tonight, we'll see. Fitz lives about 15 minutes from me and at times he'll get 10" and we won't get a flake. Mostly lake effect bands around here.

[@6.8SuperDutyDriver]

Cool, we only got a dusting Sunday. They're calling for 6 inches or so here in Central New York. Gotta love lake effect snow. Sometimes part of my plow area will get an inch or so. The rest will dumped on hard. Never know.

[@gaetanlamarre2280]

Good Job mrs.Operator

[@lfod79]

Great video man!! Looks like you really got it figured out. I'm just trying to get into this in my area. Would you mind sharing how you figure pricing for your clients? Also, can you share any tips on how you land the accounts? Thanks for making the video! Regards, -Paul

[@fitzsfixes]

Thanks! As far as pricing goes, it generally depends on where you live and how much snow you get annually. In outer area, we are just outside the snow belt. Which means our yearly snowfall is significantly lower then people 10mi south of us. In outer area I figure out what I need per plow. Then I multiply by 15. Because 15 is our average for plowable events. Then I use that as a contract price. Then you can decide whether or not you want to discount that price. Also, I have a 3" trigger. So plow guys to the south of us might have an average of 40 plowable events. Customers would go broke with the math I just showed. So they (from what some have told me) set the trigger higher. Maybe 5-6", and they keep it at a per time price. So you have a bunch of thung to take into consideration when budding properties. Good luck As for getting clients. I use our local paper to run my yearly ad for snow and landscaping. I also pay to have my ad in school calendars, restaurant menus, facebook, and a couple other outlets. But most of my traffic comes from word of mouth. Let me know if you have any other questions

[@lfod79]

@@fitzsfixes Man, thanks for all the great info. I'm in lower MI and we don't typically get hit that hard. How do you convince then for just plowing and no shoveling or salt? Or do they not really request it? Thanks again!

[@fitzsfixes]

@@lfod79 I just tell them we don't offer that service. Not too many around here do, so it's not really a big deal

[@ItAintMeBabe99]

Curious, what would it cost for one of those driveways to be plowed ?

[@moniquepowell9499]

I shovel and use snowblower. I don't want to ruin my only truck with a plow. I live in Connecticut and have bought 20 customers. 2-3 inches driveways like that I would charge $60-$100+. But I do in front of garages, walkways, clean cars

[@Radiography14]

Should we get a coffee now?

[@waltersobchak2973]

Nice cleanup. Of a heavy frost. If it actually snowed where would you put it when you aren't even stacking what's here? 🤔😂

[@MamthTORQ]

Seriously, disregard all the other comments about technique and shoveling, I want to see how you deal with 12" in late February? Maybe this is deep snow there?

[@waltersobchak2973]

@@MamthTORQ I just watched this video and have no idea how my comment ended up on this video. I made that comment on a web page with an embedded video of someone plowing with a tiny little plow attached to the trailer hitch on a Subaru outback. There's not much snow in this video but with a v-plow it's not like you're going to have any trouble stacking it if you needed to. A 4"tall plow that raises an inch off the ground on the back of a car I will remain skeptical of though.

[@MamthTORQ]

@@waltersobchak2973 well that's weird, what the hell, strange digital times we're in. The blade does have good down pressure.

[@eirod]

What kind of plow is that? Also what truck are you using? Nice 🙌🏽

[@MostlyOutdoors]

Looks like ford super duty truck and probably a boss plow

[@jethrobodine011]

Lol that isn’t a piece of shit boss... snowex HDV

[@uniquetouch2816]

my man is dangerous.

[@dglandscapingandlawnservic2313]

Keep on grinding, good work

[@Brados1221]

I don’t get snow where I live, what’s the going rate $ if someone needs a driveway like that plowed?

[@gittyupalice96]

($150 per storm, incl sidewalk to house) for a shorty driveway, multiply that 3 or 4 times if its a long dirt driveway in the middle of no where. At least where I live... You should be able to buy a brand new plow from 1 day of plowing.. If not your doing it wrong.

[@jessiehodges1513]

Where abouts in NY are you? I'm south of Buffalo and we get a lot of snow from lake Erie and lake Ontario

[@fitzsfixes]

Grand Island. You get most of the band. We usually only get general snowfall

[@The38bigblock]

What are you running for a truck and plow?

[@fitzsfixes]

2011 f250 lariet. 9.6 SnowEx stainless V with down pressure

[@motivespeed]

somehow, I just watched a video for a half hour of somone plowing snow no where near me. almost like AMSR haha

[@429thunderjet2]

Once I got a V plow I will never go back to a straight plow! Oh, and I've been plowing for 40 some years.

[@TBeare]

Seriously, I have a straight blade right now and this video just goes to show how much time I would save by buying a V.

[@upperdecker3448]

@@TBeare an equal size straight blade with wings will smoke a v-plow when it comes to producivity. Stacking the snow is where a v-plow excels.

[@bretrobinette1538]

@@upperdecker3448 not if u got wings on ur v plow ...

[@dustinbrooks3786]

Thank you for the reply I will look into it

[@kyleestringfellow8429]

Good plow buddy

[@mcef9117]

Thanks

[@charliekiehl1774]

I don’t got a route I just go wherever no it’s not recommended but it definitely keeps stuff interesting

[@kieransakakeep755]

Damn,wish i had a plow on my 2001 dodge 1500

[@MrWuWatt]

Damn, you got a 01' dodge 1500?

[@scottp4063]

Do you ever bury people's cars you dont like at night ?

[@fitzsfixes]

Lol, 1 time some guy decided to park in the middle of a small lot I do to be a knucklehead.......took him 3 hrs to dig his car out the next day

[@scottp4063]

@@fitzsfixes hahahhaa that's a riot ! I would have been laughing the entire time.

[@jamesnm21]

Get some wings for that and say goodbye to spill over and get more done faster.

[@fitzsfixes]

Can't. They don't make them fir the 9.6 I could probably make something with, but I feel like its wide enough. Especially for residential driveways. I find my myself between parked cars and basketball nets all the time

[@jamesnm21]

@@fitzsfixes ah. That's why i plan to get an extending straight plow like the western wideout when I eventually upgrade. I'll never need a V configuration with my kind of work.

[@6.8SuperDutyDriver]

@@fitzsfixes, the SnowEx literature I have has their bolt-on extension wings listed for both their 8' 6" and 9' 6" HDV v-plows. Having factory wings on my 8' 6" Fisher Xtreme V v-plow, I'd definitely grab a pair. They have the widths listed on their web site with and without wings, scroll down to the bottom where the spec's are. www.snowexproducts.com/product/hdv-v-plow/

[@joakimskoog7029]

What car is that? Satisfying video 🇸🇪

[@TBeare]

Judging by the hood, f250 or f350

[@ethanpotvin4000]

this guy made a lot of money

[@user-sv9sf1ns7g]

What r u running for tires. Any ballast in bed

[@HDDynalowrider]

You don't have to drop your pressure below recommend tire specs..having weight in bed always helps traction..

[@Nfl_fan_12]

Wait people plow driveways I think it's in Canada

[@checrallahdc]

Holy shit I enjoyed this right up until you put your customers garbage can in a snow bank on purpose. 26:45 you have easily gone around it or shit got out and moved it. customer service goes a long way.

[@braydenjohnson4605]

100% agree

[@nickc2708]

Spill over right side at 0.51. F ing annoying v plow. Takes too many passes to eliminate that. Wideout is the fix. And why not push as much to the right of drive as possible. Instead of potentially running out of room between garages.

[@fitzsfixes]

Had the wideout. Wasn't a fan. The reason I pushed 1 was was due to wind direction. If I went the other way, there would have been considerable drifting later that day.

[@MrPummi88]

Mein Gott klingt das schepprig, das kann ja nicht lange heben...

[@norbertbreinig7535]

Hi have six trucks with boss plows for loaders to dump trucks and been plowing for 50 years if you can figure out my phone number call me and I will explain exactly but it’s too long to describe I wasn’t gonna say anything but I don’t want to people to learn the wrong way and I have Or if you can see my email you can email me and I’ll call you back I wasn’t trying to be really bad I was just trying to tell people that it’s wrong OK there are specific reasons exactly but I don’t know how this works I’ve never tried to get a hold of anybody and I don’t wanna see anything on this thing

[@norbertbreinig7535]

This is wrong in so many ways this is not how you plow any of those driveway

[@fitzsfixes]

Care to elaborate? Or are you just gonna type negativity on your keyboard, and disappear?

[@norbertbreinig7535]

If you can give me your number or an email so we don’t do this in public and I will explain

[@seahawksarebutt683]

What plow do u have?

[@HDDynalowrider]

After you've done your route a few time it's like autopilot and it become very efficient..good job

[@LoneWolfSnowplowing]

Good video, you should put the snow over by that big tree, banking by the garages is going to cause problems with spring runoff or any rain/melting event.

[@natew48]

Agreed. You should never push snow up against buildings. I would have done the tree or in the yard on the opposite side of the tree

[@johnnyBqwazy]

Great route you have. Only concern was the pile up b/w the garages. Gonna rot a side entrance into it each 😜

[@jamesnm21]

Depends on how high the concrete is above grade, the grade itself and where it all drains, but yeah generally best not to pile next to buildings.

[@justinthyme7275]

Glad you said it first. I figured this was a rookie video. I would have found another plow driver if that were my house. I've been plowing 40 years, never saw anything so ignorant.

[@dubez3784]

I thought the same thing but the home owners could've requested that the snow goes there, all my plowing now is commercial but I did driveways for 15 years and I did have a few weird request from home owners as to where they wanted snow but if I didn't like it I'd explain why .

[@yardsaway1]

So you don't scoop up close to the garage door or the sidewalks and steps?

[@Popcorn-vo7ng]

Why can't more plow contractors be more like you?!!? I work for a municipality and hate the plow guys around there, constantly leaving a mess on the road, when I see that.... guess what.... that driveways getting buried in again- maybe mailbox taken down, lol 😂. I never made a mess on the streets and always cleaned up after myself, you do a great job man!!!! Wish more were like you

[@Zingmaster33]

I'm in the same boat as you and I agree!!

[@jamesnm21]

Way to be an asshole to the people who pay your wages. It's not the homeowner's fault if the plow guy makes a mess but they get to deal with your big baby attitude? Grow up and show some respect to your community or gtfo.

[@BLOTTERY]

i realized that you dont open up your driveways you just push right in and start pushing up your driveways. opening up to the sides where the driveway flares always gives it a cleaner look. and you drive over your snow way too much, if it were more wet and heavy snow the snow you drive over after you backdrag will never move. you also dont really take advantage of having a V plow and using the wings to your advantage. other than that thats a gorgeous route

[@Peenurpool]

+1 for tossing that garbage barrel over the bank with the plow.. operator skill level : No Fucks Given..

[@denacampbell6228]

Lol I was wondering what that was.

[@ericccarmen]

I'm wondering how anyone could get such a great route...undercut everyone's prices and tell the customers they have to shovel around their own garage doors, etc.? Not knocking you if this is the business model, it's very efficient. Looks like you also have a contract to do a push every time 1" of snow falls.

[@HDDynalowrider]

Plow guys are the most unappreciated people. They are up at 3 am getting their trucks warmed up and going to work..just to get shit on if someone feels their snow wasn't put in exactly the right spot. If you are picky. Talk to your plow man before hand and im sure your requests will be meet to the best of their abilities..Show some love to your plow man...

[@dereksmith1803]

I would be concerned about pushing all that snow in between the garages and leaving it there pushing against the walls. At some point, it will cause structural damage as well as possibly water damage when it all starts melting.

[@jennifersprague8585]

Not if the house is built right bud 😂.. if it’s built right the water will run down the drive way and not cause any damage to anything

[@mercury0214]

@@jennifersprague8585 your an idiot that snow has thousands of pounds of pressure

[@nickolassberna2647]

@@jennifersprague8585 it’s a lot of weight pushing in a way the building isn’t designed for tho

[@bigsterms]

Do you put those marking poles up along driveways every year or do you ask the homeowner to do so?

[@fitzsfixes]

We do it

[@GeorgeBonez]

I hope it’s ok if I ask but how much do you charge for the typical straight driveway??

[@rhettabney2838]

Rhett

[@NDB390]

I would tell you to grab a shovel and dig my garage out if I was the neighbor.

[@DudeGuy-zt9eg]

I can imagine how hard plowing is on the transmission, constantly forward and reverse, I bet that shifter gets pretty worn out lol

[@MrWuWatt]

Gotta be patient and let it shift no gas.

[@Sox348]

A lot water running into the garages at the beginning....

[@dandan7973]

I love plowing snow, kinda therapeutic for me

[@NutmegThumper]

Enjoyable. Curious do you get people running out to move their cars?

[@fitzsfixes]

Sometimes.

[@respectmyauthoritah1875]

Good job Fitz's The light trafic really helps.

[@lyman135]

Must just about flood out those two garages in the first place when the snow melts and it's piled up right on top of them like that....

[@fitzsfixes]

Nope, never have in 10 years

[@dustinbrooks3786]

Is any type of backdrag equipment If so what is it please brand, Information that's needed. that's a nice clean pass

[@fitzsfixes]

It's a SnowEx with down pressure. That's why it cleans so well backing up

[@papabeard7705]

Great video. Love watching stuff like this. But I’d rather have a western wide out for driveways. Especially back dragging. It makes it so much easier and cleaner

[@baileyshepard6578]

Pretty good job other than if you nock over a can be decent enough to pick it up and if there a giant stripe from another plow guy just be decent enough to clean it up