Plymouth Duster Returns to the Track! Brawler vs Edelbrock AVS 2 Shootout! Small Block Mopar 360

[@musclecarmitch908]

Awesome shootout on the carbs! Great video showing how they really perform!👍

[@318willrun]

As always, we appreciate it my friend!

[@gtdart970h]

Great comparison. Great video 👍👍

[@318willrun]

Thanks! and Thanks!!

[@moparmarkstpac]

The AVS 2 shines on the street, off idle. I put one on my Dart Sport last summer, and yeah heat soak is an issue even with a phenolic spacer. But it works so nice around town. It's not a race carb at all really.

[@318willrun]

Thanks! Appreciate your real life experience on your Dart Sport and heat soak!

[@MadAnt250]

Would love to see how both carbs perform when dialed in. Maybe I might buy an AVS2 in the future.

[@318willrun]

It does make the difference when they are tuned for the car!!

[@A-BONEpickup]

the eddie's seem to get heat soaked when shutting engine down

[@318willrun]

I think I had a little heat soak - didn't want to start after sitting 15 minutes. Thanks for watching!

[@jamesmiller-vf7hu]

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[@rexmasters1541]

I wanted to see this!!! 12:87 is not that bad for your budget built 360. Now the 9 second 143 MPH care you ran next is in my league. But I am impressed with your build. Keep it up. Just so you know I never listen to other people that much, "out of the box" is what people use when they cannot tell the truth about anything.

[@318willrun]

THanks !!!

[@pauldulworth2768]

Those gold/Dow 7 slots look awesome against that pale blue paint. Well done.

[@318willrun]

Thank You!

[@somewhatfast]

Loved seeing those traction bars under that duster. I threw a set on mine video is uploading now. I mounted my gopro under the car

[@318willrun]

Awesome!!!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

What a first day! Thank you for sharing and great video. I’ve always heard the avs2 hype. I could hear the fuel boiling in that coronet edelbrock, until I put the thin spacer on. Fun to see what’s to come!

[@318willrun]

It was a great first day! Also, I think I had a little fuel boiling in the AVS also. Just400Joe - 👍

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@318willrun hopefully you can make many successful trips this year! My converter will be back soon 🚀

[@JustMoparJoe]

Also, 10/10 burnout technique! That’s pretty epic

[@318willrun]

@@JustMoparJoe I'm cheering for ya, my friend!

[@terrygrover6440]

This was a great video real testing at the track like it should be, no fake dyno numbers and real et slips, this is what I always talk about there's no argument here and thanks for mentioning the old carburetor in this test it shows people don't have to spend money for new technology sometimes thanks for sharing with us 👍

[@318willrun]

Thank you! Yes, I firmly believe the old 4779 would have performed all is well, if not a little better!

[@edsmachine93]

Great video Tim. Fun day at the track. I liked the performance of both carbs. The AVS may be good once dialed in for a daily driver. Shorter carb studs may help with the installation for that carb. Looks like you had a great day at the track. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.

[@318willrun]

Thanks Ed! Yes, it was a great day at the track!

[@TheGto389]

I replaced an older 600 eddy with the same avs2 650 you used on my built 327 and the gains were better than hoped for. So responsive it felt like fuel injection! Love your channel ! Have a one

[@318willrun]

Thanks for sharing that experience. Others have said that too. Thank you!

[@jaysgarage3616]

I was waiting for this video , thanks for taking the time to do that test!!

[@318willrun]

Thank you! And thanks for taking the time to watch it!

[@2HacksGarage]

Great video Tim! Impressive Duster! Man, I used to be at Cordova all the time! There concessions are top notch!

[@318willrun]

.... and I ate at their concession too, like always!! Thanks for watching!

[@tonylarimore1553]

Great video I think a true comparison love the content buddy sorry been busy still going to get you a video of my duster with the traction bars working

[@318willrun]

Thanks for taking the time to watch! We really appreciate that!

[@imskeptic1]

All the runs were really good, better than I would have thought, for what the car is. Your off the line reaction and 60 ft. times were very consistent. Great job bro.

[@318willrun]

Thanks, we really appreciate it!

[@timsprojectcar1875]

Great video! It's fun to see those old mopars go. Such a basic combination, yet ran so well. Congratulations.

[@318willrun]

Thank you!

[@kkyler9582]

If you run any Edelbrock you have to install an insulator gasket between it and the intake. Otherwise, when the engine is hot it will be harder to start. My biggest complaint about these carbs. Otherwise they are great!

[@LP23D6]

Good stuff and great results for OOOB carbs. THanks for taking us along. Leave that AVS2 on there and mess with springs and rods? That would be interesting.

[@318willrun]

Hey TMM!! Thanks !

[@jeffsr8300]

Absolutely enjoyed every second, have always had same problem with Edelbrock carbs. hence on my daily Mopar sits a Holley, just a note of THANK YOU to your support team ie.- your wife. Great Job👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@318willrun]

Thank you, we really appreciate it!

[@markallen1413]

Hey Tim , that was really interesting, the new avs surprised me even though folks think there just for grocery getters, I'm a full blown Holley guy but that was cool and the ole Duster is really getting it for what it is, we had a 73 that we put a 380hp mopar crate motor with posi and 10.5 Micky's , the one time i raced the quarter with a 650 dbl pump it went 13.15 so your car has a really good combination because you could tell that seat of the pants, that crate engine would pin you in the seat...great channel....always watch 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅

[@318willrun]

Thank You! And thanks for sharing your experience!

[@worthyland4104]

Loved watching your tests I brought myself an avs2 500cfm for a stock 318 with with headers.. yet to try but looking forward to it

[@318willrun]

good combo you bought!

[@sixpackroadrunner]

Great video! That is a great combination. Would like you to do a hundred mile mileage test on both carbs. Makes me want a duster again.

[@318willrun]

Thanks so much !!

[@tonycolca2241]

Very impressive for out of the box no dyno no tuning what you did prove is most people have too big of a carburetor for the engine they have. Great video thank you!

[@brianandglendaharkin9457]

Good to see your MOPAR doing track work 👍🏻🇦🇺💯⛽️.

[@318willrun]

It was great to get it there!

[@benmopar]

The 800 AVS2 is worth a try too because those beautiful boosters are so much bigger than the tiny ones on the 650

[@318willrun]

I would love to try one. I only bought the 650 because of the purpose i have in mind for it. Thanks!

[@craigcontofalsky4387]

Looks like you're having fun! I wish I was still racing. I ran a Super Stock Duster 340 back in the 70s. 11.50s @120mph was my avg day out.

[@318willrun]

Super Stock Duster... Fantastic! Yes, we had fun! Thanks for watching!

[@Ridendrty]

You are getting very good times out of that stock 318… much better than i would have thought.

[@318willrun]

Thanks! This Duster is the 360 though

[@Ridendrty]

@@318willrun ah dang missed that.. still tho those are still good times for a stock 360👊

[@bradsrestorations1085]

Great passes! Thanks for sharing the comparison. Looks like you had a good time.

[@318willrun]

Thanks! It was a great time!

[@erichhedden5092]

Great sho love the info. I’ve had a 318 magnum before and driven 360s. But never in a 65 a body and that’s what I’ll do next.

[@318willrun]

Thanks!

[@marcoceccarelli6415]

You did a great job making this video . My opinion the best results I ever had with a carburetor Was using a predator carburetor The throttle response was amazing .

[@318willrun]

We appreciate your kind words !!!!

[@Scarlet_1971_cuda]

Great video. I've always heard that the Edel was best for street and Holly for the track. Just wondering if that slight spread bore design would give better MPG with the smaller primaries.

[@318willrun]

I would think day-2-day use, the AVS might be a little better on gas. Thanks for watching!

[@greazedlightninggarage6768]

Great comparison! I'm truly impressed with how quick she is with what lil you have invested!

[@318willrun]

Thank you!!

[@charlestplumbley8459]

Enjoyed watching. You’re really consistent with the launch.

[@318willrun]

Thank You!

[@orozcoracing.7450]

good video, a few days ago a friend and I had that discussion, he told me that a holley will always beat an edelbrock in any type of engine, but I agree with you that in a slightly modified engine an edelbrock can work just as well . Thank you for sharing your experience, greetings from Sinaloa Mexico. God bless you.!

[@318willrun]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!

[@larryw5429]

That's why most people say you don't need big carbs on smaller street engines. Most people like the throttle response of 600 cfm tuned holley vacuum secondary for the street! I know my 350 in third gen camaro likes it lol. Dam thing is like a cheetah on cocaine, snappy and fantastic fuel mileage for cruising!

[@Ratridez]

Go with a good tuned q jet or thermoquad , whole different animal with the spread bore carburetor .

[@johndowney2516]

thank you for the comparison im building a 360 for my dart im leaning towards the avs but i like the fact that the brawler performed so well

[@jeffdavis5704]

Great test video tim. I would have thought the brawler would win out. Good luck.

[@318willrun]

I was in your camp, I thought the Brawler would out MPH it, but it did not. Thanks for watching!

[@keithcalitri840]

That was sweet both carbs got you into the 80s now we work on 70s that how us N/A guys do it a 1/2 tenth to tenth at a time I’m sure you have the timing maxed out but I’m sure we can find it somewhere maybe a set of 355s either way that was awesome

[@318willrun]

You bet, a little here and a little there... Thanks for watching!

[@Mopardude]

Funny story, I was complaining about bolting on a Edel carb years ago to some random dude who was chatting me up at a car event, about how they barely give you room to get the nut on. He told me dummy your supposed to use allen head bolts not studs. To this day I have never used allen head bolts just to spite that random dude. LOL

[@318willrun]

😂

[@noampitlik2332]

The fast adjustments of a 'Carter' type AFB or AVS is the best.

[@guidosarducci3047]

Truely this is a matter of preference for most people. For hotter motors - I'm a Holley man. But I can still appreciate the Edelbrock for a daily driver. The AFB or Edelbrock is well known for leaky float seats causing bleed down after sitting for 10 minutes ( give or take a few min ) and also for stumbling and stalling after burnouts. I think that the stumbling and stalling is due to the smaller float bowls on the AFB's. A larger fuel line and higher volume fuel pump will stop the stumbling and stalling problem after the burnout problem - but will make the bleed down problem even worse. I had to crank it longer after sitting with the larger fuel line and higher volume fuel feed. I don't know any way to fix both issues without just switching to a Holley, Brawler, AED, Proform, ect. I do still keep an old Carter for cam break-ins and timing adjustments - That way, I don't have to worry about popping the power valve on the Holley. But once I got it dialed in. I put the Holley on.

[@scatpack7141]

That little AVS2 did pretty good especially for being smaller than the Brawler. Great real world comparison though! Thanks!

[@318willrun]

I agree! Thanks for watching!

[@josephcosgro3045]

I love that car man,I especially enjoyed the carb comparison..I'll just go ahead and consider one of those burnouts my late birthday burnout😂😂

[@318willrun]

The one in the thumbnail.... Happy Birthday!

[@josephcosgro3045]

@@318willrun thanks a ton!! That's too cool!!

[@JoeCampisi71]

Ahahahaha : Hey what do i know !!! The man whos proving that maximum fine tuning is the key , great job as always , man i wish i could learn All the tricks !!!thanks for the video :)

[@318willrun]

I do know I appreciate you watching!!!

[@JoeCampisi71]

@@318willrun see you back at Fabo ! I need you for my 318 fury willrun :)

[@Projects5309]

Greetings and thank you for a to the point, no nonsense delivery style as usual. I just changed my notifications on your channel to "All". As much as I always liked Holley's, I've been experimenting with Edelbrock carbs lately, AVS2 650, AVS2 800 & most recently, a plain old basic 600 CFM performer manual choke #1405 which I completely dismantled from the box and did a thorough blueprint to which it very much needed! Anyways, I've become a big fan of the Edelbrock and will never touch a Holley again. Super cool Duster as well!

[@318willrun]

Thanks!

[@matthewhummel6023]

For what it is, you did fine. I have a built 289 Sunbeam Tiger, 2400 lbs, 3.54 pos. I want to try the AVS2 on it.

[@318willrun]

Thanks!

[@bobbyz1964]

I'd bet on fuel boiling in the AVS2, as well. I run old Carters, same deal, just you need an isolated spacer of some sort. Really surprised that 650 AVS2 was even close to a 750 Holley. Always hear the Carter/Edelbrocks don't flow as much air as a Holley with the same rating, figured that'd really slow you down since the rating is a 100 cfm lower to start with. Great video! Been looking for a cheap 750 double pumper to play with, now maybe I'll skip that idea.

[@318willrun]

Thanks! You could be right on fuel boil.

[@NathansMoparGarage]

Nice testing it would have been interesting to see how those carbs would have responded to some tuning.

[@318willrun]

Yes! Thanks for watching!

[@bigdon2241]

good video i like when you compare and show the time slip thank you

[@318willrun]

Thanks!

[@stevehamilton9418]

Give me the Brawler anytime. What’s the rear, 71/4, 81/4, 83/4? You know that open rear gotta go. What’s up with the traction bars, have you considered adding extra leafs? Just some thoughts…keep up the good work, Will👍

[@318willrun]

8.75 - 3.23 gears. Yep, sure grip will come. Traction bars? - you bet, it won't hook without them plus the old school look is priceless! Thanks for watching!

[@duncanmacrae6384]

Looked really good. What rear are you running, 8 1/4?

[@318willrun]

Thank you. We swapped the original 8.25 (2.45 gears) for the 8.75 B-body rear end (3.23 gears)

[@garryhatchett775]

Cool comparison. Love the duster. It would be interesting to see if a avs 750 would have done any better?

[@318willrun]

I agree! Thanks for watching!

[@vertexjeff4318]

Good video - thanks for sharing!

[@318willrun]

Thanks for watching!

[@Mynextproject_74]

Great video! Thanks for sharing!

[@318willrun]

Thanks Cley!

[@russellfuchs7903]

I also swapped out a Holley Brawler 650 double fot the avs2 650 on a 383 stroker. I favor the avs2 over the Brawler for the reliability after being parked all winter.

[@zolkoz4209]

Great comparison, to the point video, super consistent car. Can I ask for tranmission, rear gearing, power and weight info? First video and instant subscribe from Melb, Australia

[@318willrun]

Welcome! Transmission is a stock 904 with the factory stock converter. Gears are 3.23 open. Weight I would guess to be about 3300-3400 at the start line.

[@NSBCustomCars]

Awesome video man!!

[@318willrun]

Thanks !! You all stay safe!

[@reallifehardtruth4465]

Add fuel return line. Always get cool fuel to the carb that way. I haul my camper and dirtbikes with a 74 f 250 no issues.

[@318willrun]

Nice!

[@alpha13dylan]

If i am getting an AVS2 its going to be for fuel economy and driveablity. Its good to hear that it performs well out of the box.

[@billbob9304]

Do you have a guess on what your compression ratio is for that 318? I believe the Speedmaster's have a 65cc chamber vs. your recessed pistons?

[@318willrun]

This car has the 360. I have no idea on compression but it does have the recessed pistons like the 360 have.

[@davecaresforyou7606]

How do you alternate which fire that spins

[@318willrun]

Naturally, the passenger tire will want to spin first. Once it's heated, it will hook up causing the drivers tire to spin. Great question, thanks for watching!

[@davecaresforyou7606]

@@318willrun wow, that’s so deep as I never knew how they worked. Your car is amazing and it’s good to see the 318

[@johnwilburn]

What drivetrain is in your van you're towing with? Springs? How does it do? I want to tow with mine.

[@318willrun]

5.9 magnum, 727, 8.25 rear end with a sure grip. Springs are factory B250 springs. Handles fine, but I'm not too big on the converter they picked and the TCI tranny.

[@johnwilburn]

@@318willrun I’m surprised a B250 would have an 8.25. Thanks…… helps me to plan. Getting my van to look as nice as yours….. that’s taller order still 😂

[@318willrun]

@@johnwilburn There is only one ... Van of War !!! 😂 Yes, the 8.25 is kind of common on the Van 250's in these years. B350 would have a bigger one

[@kurtpoblenz2741]

That’s a good running 318 you’ve got 👍🏻👍🏻

[@318willrun]

Thanks! This Duster is the 360 though

[@vincentenk4449]

You run that good with THAT combo?! Not knocking it at all, but that would run away & hide from a 5.7 3rd Gen AND daily drive, probably good gas mileage! Not that I didn't have faith in the LA motor. Like I'm pretty fond of saying, "Timing light & screwdriver for the win!". 😁 🍻 BTW, diggin' the nod to the Mopar/Motown Missile with the gold tone slots!

[@318willrun]

Thank you !

[@01trsmar]

What carb are you going to run next? The old one? Anyways, great video!

[@318willrun]

Thanks!!

[@TheDustyaman]

Eddies are terrible with heat soak. Put a spacer on it and it might help a lot. But that brawler seems to work well. Next up a gear and posi? Bigger cam? I can't wait to see what you do to the car Next. And watch this car inch it's way down to the 11s.

[@318willrun]

I like everything you said..... thanks for watching!

[@BPattB]

Have you adjusted the AVS secondary spring tension since then? Any improvement? On my 65 with a 302 out of the box i did have a pretty good bogg from part throttle to wide open.

[@318willrun]

The car has not been started since the video. So busy ....

[@BPattB]

​@@318willrunI saw your comment and thought "oh no! I know it must have driven him nuts not to mess with his car all summer." Then I checked your channel and you've got other cars lol.

[@Projects5309]

Both of my AVS2'S did that and required the spring tension on the flap to be tightened a bit as well as a bigger accelerator pump shot which I accomplished by drilling out the brass to .036". I find that the smaller displacement engines are more prone to the AVS bog.

[@BPattB]

@@Projects5309 sounds like you got it. I did buy a Thompson Power plate and I legitimately notice a difference when I'm in 1st gear at 1800 RPM and I floor it. I found a video of a guy making one. They are only 40$ but free is better.

[@jonathoncouchey7151]

Id think thus proves what many have been saying for a long time when it comes to small blocks. Unless you are trying to make 500+ hp with a stroker build. A 650 edelbrock will work quite well. (Other than heat soak). Makes me feel better about running an 800 crm quadrajet on our 360.

[@318willrun]

THanks for watching! Your 360 will like that carb I'm sure!

[@valiant696]

Try adding a bigger squirter to your avs2 to get more fuel at launch. The brawler pumps way more fuel through the accelerator pumps than the avs2 in stock form. I would also bet the brawler is jetted a little richer out of the box than the avs2, thats why your mph was lower with it. Ive been having similar results between my holley 600 dp and edelbrock.

[@318willrun]

You been in my mind??? ha! I thought the exact same!

[@valiant696]

@318willrun I run a wide band 02 on mine. I've found that the electric choke edelbrock is jetted right at 14:5:1 at cruise and just pretty close to 12.5:1 at w.o.t. I also found that a .003" jet change on the primary side gives a whole # change on the afr. A .003" jet change on the secondary only gives a .2 change in afr roughly. I think this is due to having a small displacement engine. I think a bigger engine may be more even. I'm running an afb style eddy. I believe the only difference between the afb style and avs is a spring loaded secondary door vs. Weighted.

[@valiant696]

Last comment on this, I promise....My suggestion to you is to buy 1 wide band o2 sensor and enough weld in or clamp on bungs and plugs for all your cars. Just swap the sensor to the car your working on at the time. Guess-work is gone. Set your cruise and w.o.t. much quicker than trial and error and plug reading. Also, check out thunderhead289's carb cheater. It's pretty cool. Keep up the great work.

[@318willrun]

@@valiant696 that's not a bad idea at all

[@prioritymarketing892]

Hi my name is Bill. I have an 1987 Dodge Van and I am wondering what the best approach to gaining power. My thought is that I would like to get a 360 4 barrel manifold and put that on my 318. Any thoughts? Would 318 will run have these parts available?

[@318willrun]

A 4bbl carburetor/and intake along with a good dual exhaust would help the 318 out for sure. I do not have any parts for sale at this time.

[@prioritymarketing892]

Thank You! Can a person take a newer (say 97 to 99) 360 magnum and put that in my 1987 Dodge Full Size Van?

[@318willrun]

@@prioritymarketing892 Yes, I have one in my '89 Van. Just a few things you need to be aware of... I have a couple videos on magnums

[@barryrussell4106]

Love the test

[@318willrun]

Thank You!

[@moparnut6286]

Next time try a trans-dapt spacer the swirl type composite under the AVS it may surprise you.

[@318willrun]

Yes, it would be fun to play with spacers! I have to admit, the AVS ran better against the brawler than what I expected! Thanks for watching!

[@eviljoker303]

Why the traction bars?🤔

[@318willrun]

👍

[@davesaylor5135]

Have you considered trying the Chinese edelbrock knockoffs

[@318willrun]

I have not................. .. yet. Thanks for watching!

[@bulldoggarageapparel7511]

good video thanks

[@318willrun]

Thank You !!

[@nickthevanman9011]

I guess maybe i shouldn't be in such a hurry to swap my Edelbrock for a Holley... I felt like its holding me back but maybe not.

[@318willrun]

test and trial ! Thanks for watching!

[@nickthevanman9011]

@@318willrun looking forward to seeing you at the No Name Nationals!

[@erikturner5073]

I'm a Holley guy myself. Although I'll have to say that when those Edelbrock carbs are dialed in, they make for great all around carbs. You can get excellent throttle response, and drivability out of them. Them and the Holley types are both good carbs. Those who say the Edelbrock carbs are junk, do not know what they are talking about. Great video.

[@318willrun]

Thank You!

[@THEMOFODRIVER.]

I really like your Duster 👍 very cool

[@318willrun]

Thanks!!

[@THEMOFODRIVER.]

@@318willrun you're welcome

[@jonathoncouchey7151]

A little less conversation. A little more action🥳🥳

[@318willrun]

👍

[@davecaresforyou7606]

Oh and is this a 318 or a 360?

[@318willrun]

360

[@karlsracing8422]

Did the DA fall throughout the day?

[@318willrun]

I was so busy I didn't ask anyone that had the weather stations.... humidity picked up i know.... Thanks for watching!

[@stephenhotzjustdriveit]

Very nice

[@318willrun]

Thanks!!! !! !

[@jts9120]

Wow! I bet you would be in 11s with 355 or lower gears.

[@318willrun]

Little more cam, converter, and gears, we'd be heading that way!!

[@AntiPattern328]

Seriously? No posi on a drag car? That seems like one of the first things you would do before adding power...

[@318willrun]

No drag car, just a street car at a drag strip 😉

[@richardmoerke9329]

Good drive around car and can play at the track if you want. As they always say Tim ! Keep it simple. Ok! So who’s better on the track? I mean you’re wife kicked your but with the van man!! I’m just saying. Carbs. ,90 pounds,and so on. I mean Tim ! I would not want to take her on at a stop light! Lol good show. I really didn’t think it would be that close.

[@318willrun]

I'll be honest, I've lost about every race I've had with her, but it's not been a lot of them! Thanks for watching!

[@melvinenglebright8125]

How much you want for that $500 car !?

[@Marriedmangarage]

I want that car so bad

[@318willrun]

Hey! you have a wonderful car you are working on!!

[@melvinenglebright8125]

That duster runs Good but, That ain't Stock.

[@jayburrough4308]

Less talk then proceeds to talk LoL 😂😂😂

[@318willrun]

👍

[@TheProchargedmopar]

👍💪

[@318willrun]

👍

[@jimpoticher5100]

That's not bad for a 650 cfm Compared to a 750. I think we all know that the Holly will build a little bit more horse power. But you can't beat that AVS2.

[@318willrun]

I agree!

[@peterGriffin-ug7jv]

60ft times needs work

[@318willrun]

Yeah... 3.23's and a stock converter don't help the 60 ft times ...

[@peterGriffin-ug7jv]

@@318willrun ic any plans for better rear end?

[@318willrun]

@@peterGriffin-ug7jv probably better converter, a sure grip, and perhaps better gears

[@trolllibtards2604]

👍🏻

[@318willrun]

👍

[@karlsracing8422]

Less fuel in the tank.

[@318willrun]

Absolutely. Every run made a lighter car!

[@NitrousTuner1]

So let me get this straight SINCE other's must still be lost or blind... You tried to compare 2 completely different Universal carbs styles, sizes, & brands on a car you can't even full throttle at the drag strip because it's a 1 legger 😭😭😭 So did you even set floats? Was the power valve in the Holley matched to the idle vacuum it makes in gear? Because even at 7000rpm which you weren't close to & 90% efficiency that tiny engine only wants/needs 590cfm. This comparison proved nothing! NO One is buying a double pumper that can't even go full throttle at the drag strip. As that's the whole point 😂

[@318willrun]

Is this all before or after the fries ..... ??? No ketchup either!! Truth is, she ate half my fries!!! 😫😫

[@NathanStickney-xv6dy]

Akways been fond of the big thermoquad.

[@NathanStickney-xv6dy]

There was this guy in my town a lot older than the rest of us kids I was using the thermal quad on a lot of my cars This guy had sitting in his house on top of his refrigerator brand new in the box a 1000 cfm thermal quad Competition series I wanted it so bad