Pocket JACKS & The Worst Turn Card | SplitSuit

[@fundiver198]

Definitly agree that this is played to passive preflop. While typically a very unbalanced line, it can make sense to limp-reraise very strong hands, if you are in early position and can expect someone behind to isolate you a ton of the time. However in the SB there is only BB left to isolate, and with 3 people in the pot he has a huge incentive to just click it back and take a free play. So it make zero sense to take this line with QQ-AA, even if you dont care about balance. This is almost always some medium strong hand, which was to good to fold but not strong enough to raise, when the action first got to them. But now that someone else put in a raise, they are coming over the top with this silly mini 3-bet basically just to mess with your head and take control for cheap. Even without a massive line tell like this one, I am totally happy to get JJ all in preflop in this spot. We are down to 4 players, the Villain did not start with a full stack, and the Villain is fishy. So my thinking here is, that even if he happen to have QQ-AA, and I dubble him up, at least now he have a full stack, and he is likely to enjoy the table and stay. Which gives me a great chance to win back at least some of my money during the rest of the session, especially when he is on my direct right. So I am not really worried about pot controlling with JJ, as I would be, if I was up against a full stacked nit, who decided to play his hand from early position. So postflop is kind of whatever, because we should never see postflop this way again. As played, when he bet this small on the flop, I am raising the flop, even though we could be behind to a straight or to KK. And I am also stacking it off, if he 3-bet for the same reasons, I am stacking it off preflop. If he flopped a straight, at least we have a redraw with decent equity, and he can be leading for this size with a ton of drawing type hands as well. As played the turn is obviously a death card. I am ok with Heros line from this point on. I dont think, a fishy opponent is bluffing enough in a spot like this, that we need to make a big Hero call on the river with a bluff catcher.

[@richardhopkins2145]

I like 4 betting pre with jacks pre but I’m sick if he shoves, I mean Bcs he has 10s and we got him crushed, but if we call we’re crushed by AA-QQ and were flipping against A Q and A K, so I’m not too thrilled if he shoves my 4 bet

[@fundiver198]

You are assuming a reasonable stack off range, but this is not a good player. His VPIP is ridiculous, and his line is fishy looking. And if he is bad enough to do this backraise with 88, there is a good chance, he is also bad enough to not want to fold it when facing a 4-bet. And since calling a 4-bet with 88 is kind of crap, he might decide to just pile it all in and hope, you either fold or call with 2 overcards. I have seen 66 stacked off preflop in a spot like this, so it happens.

[@richardhopkins2145]

Exactly too deep pre with a hand like jacks, you really just want him to have underpair, if he doesn’t have that, then there’s pretty much a 99% chance he has at least one overcard

[@fundiver198]

Richard Hopkins - if he gets it in with a single overcard, we are a 2:1 favourite. I am totally stoked about that.

[@fundiver198]

BluFF - If you want to feel safe, you need to find another game. NLH is calculated risk taking, and its a high variance game, especially online 6-max cash tables. Assumptions about Villains range is also called hand reading and is an essential part of the game. If you feel better about getting it in on the flop, you are also making some serious assumptions like assuming, he cant have Q9. Otherwise your feeling makes no sense, since only 18 combos beat JJ preflop, but on the flop that number increased to 35 or nearly twice as many (16 AQ, 16 Q9, 3 KK).

[@M.S.Fitness]

Wow I was not expecting a fold there, I just spat out my cider. I think I'm just getting it in and it is what it is

[@splitsuit]

Clean up your keyboard =)

[@fundiver198]

I am getting it in preflop and even on the flop, but not when there is 4 to a straight on the turn, and it’s the Q, which has the straight. Maybe you can convince me to stack off on J, 6, 5, 3, 2, because did he really go around the world with a 4 in his hand, probably not. But a Q makes total sense for him to have. So it would be like stacking off KJ on A, J, 8, 5, 2, which I guess, most people would not do 90 BB deep? Mind you I am not even talking about the flush draw here, because its not that important with the distribution of the flush cards on the board and in our hand.

[@iansammons2730]

@@fundiver198 Agree. This is as obvious a straight or flush as I've ever seen. He got there. Yes, you let him get there. Don't advocate burning the rest of your money because of that. This is Ax hearts or AQ every... single... time. A fish who is trying to be aggressive with a "good" hand, but scared because it's not one of the big 4, then he hits, notices a shove is less than pot and mashes that button so hard his keyboard breaks (actually deliberately doesn't allin to avoid scaring you)... maaaaaaaybe a really rare 10-9s against the worst player in the world (so bad he'd literally have to think 2p was a monster on this board... because he is playing this EXACTLY like a fish plays when he has a monster)... but then you're adding q8s into the mix as well, so it's so damn weighted to straights and flushes, I wouldn't even take it if I were getting 8:1. But like you said, that flop line is just... the worst.

[@DerEchteAndrej]

@@iansammons2730 I'm wouldn't be so sure here for 100pct of the time. Yes, most likely it turns out to be the nuts, but quite often some of these players show up with one or two pairs. I explained this line to myself that they want make some money with e.g. two pairs but are afraid of the draws on the board.. I wouldn't rule out he had tens, KJ, or even AJ or AK...So they call pre and bet relatively small after they hit their top pair or two pairs. Tricky spot though.

[@sweetR]

Your vids are simply the best man. Thanks!

[@splitsuit]

Cheers!

[@Snowy123]

The lesson I learn from James is to always come over the top and be the more aggressive person, someday maybe someone will admit a video as an aggro-fish and James will be like "too aggressive" lol

[@splitsuit]

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[@woodyguthriesghost344]

I like that he makes you think things through. Agree or disagree with him, Split Suit makes me analyze my strategy and improve if possible. Sort of like a good business school case study.

[@chasfarthing244]

I play a lot of low stakes cash games and there are so many aggressive players now, literally everyone either reraises or 3 bets almost every hand lol

[@Roman-qx8id]

@@chasfarthing244 Especially at 6max tables. I saw a guy who made a huge call from BB with a pocket 3s. The thing is... That on preflop the UTG did a limp call, i tried to isolate him so i raised from MP with AKs, got a call from CO and a huge reraise from BTN(probably tried to steal our bets on preflop with this 3bet). And everyone except SB and UTG did call this reraise. On the flop me and BB both went all-in(for me it was all-in situation because i am a shortstacker, so at this point after the BTN's 3bet i only had All-in option, which i should do on preflop and maybe drive away other guys, but unfortunatly i only played it all wrong) and BB beat my two top pairs with set of 3s, which he catched on the flop.... I personally would never jump into action just with the pair of 3s. But it worked out for him

[@thtftmfg9112]

As played I think facing the "just under AI" betsize on the river, makes an explo fold somewhat better given how fish generally betsize.

[@splitsuit]

Certainly possible. Doesn't nullify the advice leading up to that point though =)

[@alexp247365]

As a new player, I would have played the villians bets If I had pocket hearts hoping for a flush. You have 2 cards to catch 10 outs, is that correct? And while I want to see the turn and river, its not hard to come over the top and make me re-consider.

[@ferbzz273]

9 hearts assuming no one folded any and the opponent has none

[@Snowy123]

James could you make a video on how to play out of position? I'm struggling playing out of position. Game is 5/10 A recent hand is I'm UTG with AKs I open 30 UTG+1 Reraises to 90 Everyone folds and comes around to me, I elect to call. No need to get crazy OOP. Flop comes 44Kr Pretty good flop to me, I don't want to bet into his raise and scare him away incase he missed the board so I check. Villain bets 130 I call feeling pretty confident. Turn comes an 8 I check again Villain bets 303 about 2/3 pot. I'm thinking I've got an ace so I'm thinking its unlikely he has pocket aces, I think he could 3bet with a range of hands AQ+ and I don't think he'll be reraising preflop with pocket 44s or 88s so I don't think I'm overly dominated. I elect to call and allow him to continue firing. River comes a 10 Once again I check and he moves all in. There's only a limited number of hands which dominate me, I put him on raising me preflop with AK more likely than having AA, I call thinking it could be a chop, turns out he has AA. I don't know if I could had gotten out of this position, but playing OOP is my weakness and I could use some in-depth advice on how to improve my OOP game.

[@fundiver198]

AA vs. AK is just a massive cooler. You cant fold here, even just because he could have the same hand, and there are more combos of that than of KK-AA. Coolers dont matter, because when the roles are reversed, he is also going to get stacked by you. You could consider 4-betting preflop. Depending on stack depth, how wide the Villain 3-bet, and number of players on the table, this can be a nice way to take away his positional advantage. In certain spots AK can be a 4-bet fold. In other spots its a 4-bet stack-off. Then you still get stacked, when he have AA, but you dont get outplayed postflop, when he have something else.

[@Snowy123]

My previous secession I was up then suddenly I'm getting destroyed by people 3 betting me all over the place, especially when im OOP. I don't wanna fold every hand which isn't AQs+ because it seems too easy to exploit me if I'm folding the rest of my range. Trying to fight for my life but calling 3bets OOP is too hard.... Also AK is a huge loser for me I'm down 5.5BB per hand I play. So I'm trying to ease up on them and not go ham and call down too crazy with them and fixing the losing hand.

[@fundiver198]

You realize how much variance exist in this game? Its totally possible to have periods, where you are getting 3-bet half the time, you open a hand, and its basically just because other players are running hot. If its not, and you are being targeted, then maybe change table or game? Is this live or online poker?

[@turnerboy647]

Hey, I had an interesting hand regarding monster draws that I’m certain I played badly in the $215 Sunday million. Blinds 400/800, hero stack 35k villain 40k - everyone else on table roughly 10-15k stacks. Hero raises UTG+1 to 1900 with 9hTh, called by Villain In position. Flop comes out 5h7s8h. Hero bets 2k, villain raises to 6k - what is my play here with such deep stacks. He only has sets and top 2 pair in his range, which even worse case scenario against 8s I have 40% equity. I went ahead and jammed it all in there, he called with pocket 8s and he got his hold on. My question here is can this hand ever be thrown away, or can I not go broke on this flop? Love the work you’re doing, really helping me try and develop my game and it’s paying off reasonably in the mid stakes online poker grind!

[@Its__Good]

You have a great hand on the flop. Even if he shows you the pocket 8s you should continue because the implied odds are so good. And there's the chance that you could hit a higher straight. You don't need to be too worried of a higher flush draw because he would have arguably raised pre-flop with suited broadway, and a lot of the middle-value cards are accounted for. Call the 6k and see if the turn improves you and villain's action - you can always fold your worst spots. Over-bet shoving doesn't really achieve much here.

[@EricSmith-yz5og]

Looking at mistakes villain makes in this hand like not 4betting (if he is not raising, and instead limp min 3betting QQ-AA out of pos with 2 limpers in pos behind, then good for him but I’m 4 betting or shoving over his limp 3bet all day. Ship him the chips and rebuy. On the flop I’m almost always raising his lead into us. It’s builds pot when we have the best hand, charges draws, and gives us more info of where he is at. I also feel like If you’re gonna call the turn here, you always have to call the river. The river was a blank and a lot of A(h)X hands can shove here with the nut blocker. That being said I think the most likely hand villain does have here IF you’re beat is QQ. Maybe AQ getting out of line pre and leading with the nuts on flop? Idk. If seen worse in 100nl. QQ makes the most sense to me, betting the draw on flop and protecting against a back door flush on the river. This is also one hand out of 71 he has played against him. Maybe he has shown down the goods in similar spots like this 🤷‍♂️

[@noex100]

Villain's range is going to almost always be 77-TT or two overs. Just shove preflop: you either take down 14 BB's uncontested, which is fantastic, or you get all the money in as a 52-81% favorite, which is super +EV. It's not like this guy's going to limp re-raise from the SB with AA-QQ. I just cringe seeing hero try to play postflop against a silly, fishy player who is probably looking to gamble instead of play. Make those kind of players put ALL their money in bad, instead of baiting them along with a vulnerable monster hand.

[@fundiver198]

Completely agree, although I would probably just go for a normal 4-bet giving him the chance to shove his nonsense himself.

[@chase1443]

No, it is not lol he has a 51% vip people at this level get tilted when people raise so they min re-raise pre-flop. This guy is an easy fish

[@noex100]

I mean, he's an easy fish either way. But he had to manually type 12 since it isn't a min-reraise so this usually looks like a medium pair or AK/AQ to me. At these stakes, people also just don't know how to play those hands so they try to take the betting lead in strange ways.

[@joaomilfont9178]

@James Fondren u didn't understand

[@Motivatedk9]

I guess I'll never understand how it keeps happening to me, set of vases on a dry board was runner runner to give a guy a straight. 2 flops later I have pocket sevens it came 1010 7. I move all in over the top of a guy who bet and he catches to make a bigger full House

[@markomales98]

Im right now at 2:44 in the video and i want to say that villains have here (from my expirience) 99,TT,AT,AJ or AQ and i would jam here right away with TT,JJ,AK,AQ, with other stronger value hands(QQ+) i would like to play post flop because unlike other hands that i would jam, these hands wont flop bad very often.

[@splitsuit]

Press play and I think you'll see that we largely agree =)

[@jimmythewig3354]

Did you say preflop that we crushed AQ? Surely that's a coin flip?

[@Doodfist]

57 vs 43. Sizeable edge

[@markomales98]

How about this logic : Our opponent is a bad player And bad player mostly have what they represent

[@splitsuit]

I agree if we replace 'bad player' with 'nit'.

[@ekw555]

meaning "a nit will mostly have what they represent" NOT "our 51% VPIP opponent is a nit".

[@markomales98]

Yes but why wouldnt a bad player just check even if he has a set on this board ?

[@splitsuit]

Why do bad players do anything?

[@markomales98]

Only god knows but he would check a set.

[@accessdeniedx2]

James? Or anyone else? I play a game with 7-9 people. They're the same guys every time as I live 4 hours from any casino. The only 3 bets we see are from AK, AA, KK, or QQ and that's it except for me lately.. Against these players, would 4 betting be the most +EV? Or flatting and letting them bluff at it be better? I totally understand that I'd just be calling off not sure where I'm at each street but underrepping my hand somewhat, but other than the fold equity I'd get by 4 betting all in, what's the difference if my plan is to get it all in by calling all bets?

[@fundiver198]

The 4-bet is of course only good, if we assume, Villain is unlikely to limp reraise a nutted hand because of his position, but that he is very likely to be messing around with something like 77 or 98s. Which in my opinion is completely true as a population read for fishy online players. If you have a different read on the people in your life game, obviously JJ is just a call preflop and proceeding with caution, unless you improve. But I will challenge you to think about it twice. Maybe they usually 3-bet a very nitty and predictable range, I can believe that. But do they do it in this exact situation? Completing from the small blind with multible limpers in the pot and then coming over the top with a back-raise? And do they choose this sizing? How many times have you actually seen this, given that your volume as a life player is much lower than an online player?

[@DerangedAussieMan]

How Splitsuit would analyse a 500nl hand on Stars: 3 folds Hero opens to $12 on BTN with KK Splitsuit: "Gonna be a bit nit picky here, but I hate the sizing. I'd prefer to see you raise to something like $30 for value" BB calls $12 Flop ($26) is J32r BB checks Hero bets $8 Splitsuit "Again I don't really like the sizing. I'd prefer to see you just pot it here, go for max value."

[@N66B44H22]

Yeah, his sizing is so bad xD

[@splitsuit]

You think so little of me, lol. The sizing in the hand you presented is actually really solid given the 500NL player pool...

[@N66B44H22]

How on earth is that solid :)))))

[@N66B44H22]

James (SplitSuit) you might be worse than i imagined

[@splitsuit]

On the right track Linghan =)

[@Bubblewhip341]

I'm not sure about preflop 4betting simply because I am not sure if I get shoved all in, I want to stack it off with JJ. I play more GTO (assuming all players are good) and don't like to make assumptions of players particularly bad ones and what they may or may not do based on their badness. Is this player bad and doing this with trash? Or is this player bad and doing this with super monsters? (QQ+ AK) just because this player is bad doesn't give you any indications they would re raise with weaker.

[@fundiver198]

Even if we dont want to guess about, what Villain is doing in the classic paper, stone, scissor sense, just think about how much more easy it is to have a medium strong hand, which wanted to complete and play a multiway limped pot, than to have a nut hand wanting to trap and backraise? Nut hands trapping is pretty much only AA and sometimes maybe KK, so lets say 12 combos. Hands wanting to play a multiway limped pots however are 100`s of combos, and all of these could potentially decide to get silly with a small backraise.

[@Bubblewhip341]

fundiver198 I can see this line of logic, I just wish there was some statistical proof that a fish is even 10% likely to do this with air as he would to do it with nut hands. Fish are not balanced, that is why they are fish. So I am left with a guessing game whether fish is unbalanced and doing this with nuts, or unbalanced that they are doing it with air.

[@fundiver198]

That is true. As an online player I play so many hands, that I develop population reads. And my population read - right or wrong - is that fish are heavily unbalanced towards air with this line. That is even true for min 3-bets in general, but especially in this hand, because he first limped behind two other guys, and he did it from the SB. I generally like to assume, that even bad players have some kind of logic behind, what they do. And unless he had some specific dynamics with Hero, the only player to act after him, I just dont see this particular play being a big hand. Of course if you follow that kind of reads, you are sometimes going to be wrong. But I am ok with that. If the fish took this bizarre line with AA, I just hand him my stack and rebuy, and move on to the next hand. I would rather pay him the rare times, he has it and punish him, when he dont.

[@woodyguthriesghost344]

Am I way off thinking that Hero's pre-flop play was okay... if his intention was to float for a post-flop bet from the fish and raising instead of scaring them off with a pre-flop 5-bet? Both the pre-flop 5-bet and post-flop check-raise end up costing about $50, but the check-raise has the virtue of getting more value from the fish for the same investment. I mean, how often will you see a flop & turn THAT connected and scary? The pre-flop float only looks bad in retrospect. Unless Hero always plays weak and wasn't sure of themselves.

[@fundiver198]

If you know damn well, you have the best hand, but your hand is vulnerable, slowplaying to try and win a bigger pot is usually just setting yourself up for disaster. Sure if you flop quads, whatever, but a pair of jacks is by no means difficult to draw out on. If you feel, that Villains line is nonsense 99% of the time, and that the flop C-bet is also coming a huge chunk of the time, you could consider to trap him with AA but not with JJ.

[@woodyguthriesghost344]

I would slow-play JJ & JJJ. Not always, but often. JJJ is very strong and should win most showdowns, especially in 6-max. Sure, it's vulnerable... but so is every hand short of a royal flush. And even under adverse circumstances, JJJ makes a great semi-bluff. Seems like SplitSuit's being overly critical BECAUSE he knows what the turn is. He's relying on information Hero did not have pre-turn. It's a logical fallacy called post-hoc. But I agree with him that Hero should have been more aggressive post-flop. So I'm not agreeing with how Hero played the hand over all. From his comments, he wasn't slow-playing. And were I slow-playing and fell into this turn, I'd have folded around 75% of the time to a bet since these cards suck hard. I'd throw up my hands, realizing I was caught in my own trap. Luckily, flops & turns this ugly are rare. But the other 25% of times (esp. if I were stacked deep enough), I'd go over the top on V's turn bet, repping the straight. Most often they'll have a draw that won't complete, and aggressive play could scare them into folding. Even some better hands (say, KK) will fold if they think I have a straight. Though there are time's they have the straight and stand pat... and I'll lose. Ah well. That's poker. But as SplitSit recommended, my betting would be BEFORE the river.

[@fundiver198]

JJ will face overcards on the flop around 50% of the time. So if we can more or less exclude QQ-AA from his range, I don’t really see, what flatting preflop does other than give him a free flop to get there and put us in a lot of tough spots postflop. Sure we can catch a bluff sometimes, but we will also pay him off sometimes.

[@keslen6969]

I had to look up that LRR meant Limp Re-Raise. You probably should have included that fact before introducing the initialism.

[@splitsuit]

Fair point =)

[@tylermokarry9731]

i like the pre-flop commentary , I know I would lean towards flatting pre initially but you make a fair point. Flop is a way more standard raising spot, protect your hands people...even if it is a set … it is essentially 2 pair in this spot.. on wet connected board

[@dioseljohnescutin95]

Very informative video

[@splitsuit]

Thanks Diosel =)

[@3StonePoker]

Sometimes I do wacky shit from the SB, I sometimes enjoy limp raising my KQ QQ 10 10 K 10 hands if I'm playing against aggressive players. I think he has a Q in his range so the turn is bad, but if your calling a turn bet, then you may as well shove now or just fold turn, if your not calling a river bet? Anyway you look at it, it's either a great bluff or he has us crushed... the only thing we really beat is pocket 10's or 9's, but would he shove river..... possibly... either way, passive preflop and you should got it on turn or fold if your not going to call river bet. The same bluffs he has on turn is the same he will have on river, so just stick it in man or fold.

[@fundiver198]

Even if the Villain showed us two black Q´s, the turn is a call, because we have so many outs to a boat or a flush. Unfortunatly we missed all of them on the river, and therefore it is a totally different situation then. On the river we no longer have a draw but only a bluff catcher.

[@momsaid]

This is like an obvious 4 bet tho. JJ isn’t normally but this spot is a no brainer Oh you said that a little later. I agree

[@melnor82]

Totally thought this was going to be my 200bb JJ hand..

[@joe930709]

Pr-flop: SB limp/re-raise. I believe people could limp monster hands like kk AA on UTG, but not a 4 way flat pot on SB position.That is meaningless, because most of the time BB is not likely to raise the bet. Normally,monter pockets wont take that risk. therefore, in my op, the 8%-20% of the total combos could be the major part of SB's range . that JJ should 4bet. dont bet to much, make spr around 3, nice and confort for the flop. post flop: because JJ didnt have a nice spr . that gives SB a lot of space to work out on a wet flop. however I still dont understand why didnt you raise?? you did not block the Kings, he could have any kinds of draws, 2 pairs. .....anyway, SB now basicly is not going to fold to a reasonable amount of raise.And a reasonable amount of raise could suck SB in to the pot.' Turn: well.....if u played correct on pasted streets. you should not even worry on the turn. ...What happened on the turn which is a bad thing. once you see a 'bad thing ' happen to you, you always fold or raise. we never want bring this 'bad thing' to next street. because that well turn u in to a bigger problem. if u decided to call, you have to have the plan of river, the coming allin fro m SB. that happens ally often. river: brick. as what i said, how did you prepare your river when you decided to call on the turn. tht wat u hav to think. because i know nothjing about SB, i cant just say wat u should do. what ever you think is correct. make some action, uas actions to find out info from your oppo. if you want loss less on badbeat hands, you have find them out early.

[@johnnyordille6256]

Absolute top of his range would have been AK with the Ace of hearts

[@pokertrackercoachmanager9301]

Thanks

[@Snowy123]

Jacks are like the hardest pocket pair to play, the difficulty of playing QQ compared to JJ severely increases.

[@Snowy123]

hahah yesterday I went full stupid and tried to call down a bluff with AK, turns out he has pocket aces...

[@cednissaart6491]

IMO it’s a clear stack off preflop, or as played, stack off on the flop. No need to let the whale hit miracle cards.

[@richardhopkins2145]

I don’t know what straight he’s representing on the turn that he didn’t have on the flop, pocket queens is really the only hand I guess, you really missed two opportunities to ship post flop I really feel like the only hand he’s repping is queens, or A Q that beats you. There is no way he has Q-2 Q-8, and I feel like he could have a lot of second best hands here, maybe A K with the A hearts, maybe pocket 10s, maybe a hand like K J, I just think you should still shove that turn because you have the redraw for the boat, and the only two hands he’s repping are pocket queens or A Q, I really don’t believe he has a flush here either, there’s so few flush combos he could be repping A Q hearts is out because that hand most certainly slow plays the flop because it absolutely crushes it. Because there are so many high hearts out there, he really only could also have 7 8 hearts. I mean his line was super odd pre and on the flop, to limp then min raise out of position and bet that flop so small. He could have aces and just have no idea what the hell hes doing with them. So imo just too many ranges you beat. Too few you are losing too. Plus a redraw to the full house. 10 outs going to the river assuming he doesn’t have Kong’s either which would be weird considering his line. Either raise the flop or ship the turn. Don’t be so passive with such a monster hand

[@richardhopkins2145]

Ok just thought maybe K Q and Q J could be in his range as well but still raising the flop and shoving the turn either way

[@splitsuit]

Yup =)

[@fundiver198]

KQ, QJ, QT all make complete sense. After all he did limp into the pot rather than attack. His flop sizing also makes sense with those hands betting less than half pot, so that Hero dont make a larger bet when checked to.

[@richardhopkins2145]

Yea very true his flop bet does make sense for like a QJ QK Q10 hand because he’s got a weak pair and str8 equity do it really does make a lot of sense for those hands

[@nintendokings]

I think just jam the flop

[@groovygrover5111]

I hate losing money but I just could not have folded. If if it were me and villain went with it, I would have stacked off on the turn. Just me, though.

[@groovygrover5111]

I really think I would have lost to some kind of suited connector flush but I would have had more money in pre-flop and then villain would have been forced all in on the turn. I try to follow my plan and my plan would have been to have villain committed after calling on the flop. Am I stupid? Please let me know.

[@mercilpb]

Easy 4bet stack off preflop IMO

[@splitsuit]

Yup =)

[@EricA-xd9fn]

Best observation: Weak/timid call on 40%-Pot bet post-Flop. Really never put in the kind of re-raise that would have defined opponent's range. Especially, because opponent isn't particularly deep, even a min-raise would have told you something. As it stands, Hero was totally in the dark. Turn card totally sucked, so I can't blame Hero for being passive from then on.

[@splitsuit]

Agreed Eric

[@dmed312]

How come this guys isn't the world champion?

[@splitsuit]

Whom?

[@dmed312]

who, you say? James Splitsuit guy

[@kevinkane5595]

There was no ranging, no discussion of MDF, no blocker discussion in this video? Why not? I like it just as played except call the river. Why? 4-betting JJ preflop is nasty. It’s not a bluff but you cant profitably call a 5-jam either. On the river, MDF dictates calling with ~ 50-60% of your hand range. JJ is in the top half of your possible hands! Period. It’s literally the strongest non-flush non-straight you can have; and you could have KJ JT KT AhK AhJ AhT etc. No guessing what opponent has. Just call or you are folding too much and are exploitable. Final item not mentioned in the video. The J of hearts is the best jack to have. It cuts down the number of flushes villain has by almost half! No AhJh, QhJh, Jh8h. All that’s left is AhQh, Ah5h, Ah4h and maybe lower connected hearts (87,76,65). Its a crying call, but a call.

[@splitsuit]

I agree with a lot of your postflop points...I just didn't feel this hand required that level of analysis given who this opponent is.

[@fundiver198]

What you can call a 5-bet jam with depends on, what the Villain is jamming. I have seen 66 played like this and jammed to a 4-bet.

[@kevinkane5595]

We ONLY have 71 hands on the player. It’s way to early to start making inferences about what he is thinking and doing. You just decided to throw villian in the trash heap; and assume he is stupid or drunk. I’m not say we can’t attempt to exploit in the future, be we have no specific leaks we are trying to exploit at this time. We just know he is aggressive (likely) or he is getting hit by the deck. We don’t have any information on his 3-bet and 5-bet strategy. As such, taking a post flop in position and leaning to a more GTO approach just makes sense. Sorry. This is one of your weaker videos.

[@splitsuit]

So 50%+ VPIP over 50+ hands AND didn't top off their stack AND used a horrific 3bet size preflop should naturally indicate that this is a strong player? Come on...

[@kevinkane5595]

James (SplitSuit) I’m not debating that this player is good nor did I indicate any such thing. It’s just not advisable to always 4 bet JJ. You’re trying to exploit a leak we don’t know for sure villain has. Perhaps this is a player that limps, opens and 3-bets lite, but 4-5 bets only AA, KK, QQ, AK. Until you have a hand showing him 5-barreling preflop with A5 suited or 99, it’s just a guess. From Applications of No-Limit Hold’em (page 87) - “We should be more likely to defend our hands by calling in position” and “the expected value of 3-betting and 4-betting strong but not super premium hands like Ace-King and Queens in position is probably much lower against an optimal opponent than players expect. With these hands, many players are making a mistake by re-raising when they should call instead.” Conclusion: 4 bet and call are both +EV. It’s the river fold that is mathematically wrong. I which you had spent time showing why.

[@ibrahimrashid8092]

good Lord! he never likes the sizing!

[@hamonteiro]

thats a no no on the clickbaity thumbnail

[@splitsuit]

Clickbaity implies there was a bait & switch. It's just a different thumbnail style, but the video is still everything that the thumbnail implies.

[@ritswik]

Please stop the good morning greeting and jump straight into it

[@splitsuit]

I like the intro! Either way, it's 5 seconds long, so you can always skip it if it annoys you =)

[@luxxn]

It's part of the brand and I like it.