MFJJ Blindfold Test with Bow disciples!!!! Insane results!!!!

[@ValhallaHotBox]

Not a waste of time awesome information as always you guys. Very awesome to see how close they all feel when taking bias out of it. Thanks again MFJJ and Bow disciples you guys are making a difference.

[@jons7e]

This legitimately demystified the bow purchasing process... people are mostly basing their feel on their bias and whatever they hear from a shop / reviews. Very interesting experiment that should be explored more

[@blackbeard0323]

Mmmmm, I don't think so. I've owned many manufacturers flagship bows and there are very distinct differences when you're actually shooting a bow rather just shooting for feel with a glove on.

[@Nowhy]

Of course.. and many purchases are just made out of vanity...

[@adamredden2007]

​@blackbeard0323 I would be willing to put a Benjamin on it, that you could toss the glove and wear the blindfold and do no better. People buy what they want to buy for many reasons other than the product itself. Otherwise, some of these companies wouldn't break the bank on marketing.

[@bnelsonmedia]

Even without a blindfold James called the Elite a Darton 😂. On the first one he handed Josh lol

[@kappakeepo4499]

im like wait what

[@jordanthornberry9960]

I noticed that too

[@SlimPickins_07]

Need to do this at a target wall. By the time you get aimed at the target you have forgot what the draw was like 😂

[@SWMissouriOutdoors]

That's a great suggestion

[@bbbbbbb2357]

Super solid point

[@vfonte218]

I agree...but with 3 shots out of each bow

[@stevenblackburn3385]

I agree… you would need a little more concentration on the bow instead of the aim and how different it feels. And maybe two shots with the same bow.

[@simoncooper6939]

This is an incredible piece of experimentation, it really goes to show how much advertising, reviews and preconceptual bias to a manufacturer can play a huge part in how you perceive a bow. Very interesting.

[@Yourmom-u7q]

Loved the first two you did with James and now with MFJJ.. this is awesome. Love this kind of honest no BS unbiased stuff.

[@marcoengelbracht4141]

Great cooperation and a test worth having in mind when shopping for a new bow. Many thanks guys!

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

I've always said the grip is one of the most important parts of the bow interface. It's the first and last thing you interact with on any bow

[@philiptweet5970]

You should judge draw cycle right after draw, then balance while holding, then shot after the shot, then guess maker after handing bow away.

[@BowDisciples]

Iconic test

[@garedjennings6509]

If you could buy a universal grip and put on each bow so you could feel vibration but wouldn't be able to tell what bow it was due to a specific grip design then that would be interesting. Like if you could slap the ultraview grip on every bow then you could test vibration and draw cycle without giving away what bow it is right off the bat

[@michaelthompson4323]

Great content as always. You do a great job of eliminating bias in your videos anyway but this really shows how much preconceived notions everyone has. Keep it up. Enjoy learning from what you do!!

[@JimReihl]

Most honest test ever!

[@diegogalindo1138]

One of the best and funniest vid you make Its unbelieve how hard is to feel a bow when the grip is gone And how similar are all bows nowadays A really nice test👍👍

[@dericm1115]

I think a retest with the glove closer to the target to eliminate aiming, but you get one shot and as many draw and let downs as you'd like.

[@tommy001996]

The 1st one seems to be Elite, not Darton

[@traceelliot1360]

It was GREAT to see that The PSE DS won the first test 7.7 rating when James did this test. No based on perception but based on facts of shooting it.

[@sw_hoosier_hunter]

Been waiting for this type of test for a long time

[@echampine]

Yes. More. Tat was very informative. Thanks.

[@Dan_Akins]

Very nice, a blind MSA study of sorts. One guy from Louisiana has an archery channel and he graphs/records the draw cycles on a computer program. Good stuff!

[@HoldunReed]

I very much like this kind of test! I think doing a letdown on each bow and then shooting can separate the bows more. I also agree with someone's previous comment about shooting at a target wall as well.

[@BowDisciples]

Love the let down idea

[@hunterwommack5014]

Darton twice ? Was the first bow really the elite ?

[@tomheinonen4206]

I think you’re right

[@Bow_Mafia]

Yes the first bow was the Elite 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@billyhancock7851]

​@Bow_Mafia was it the Prime or the Elite?

[@austinbrown4082]

Would really enjoy you getting an obsession bow in and testing it they don’t have the spotlight that other companies do but with kevin strothers being with them there bows are amazing. Super smooth and super fast

[@robertwilliamson6958]

This is EXCELLENT. I want to go to my local shop and try this as the shooter. I haven’t shot any of the flagship bows in the past couple of years. I think it would be great. They’d go for it to this time of year not being very busy if I was planning to buy one.

[@rossw_LWR]

Very interesting video. Does a great job of eliminating bias based on brand by the draw cycle & shot. The only downside is when selecting a bow the grip & vibration can be important but the grip can give it away. Rather than a glove I wonder how it would go if you removed the grips & used tape or a wrap instead.

[@tommurray1772]

Very fun to watch keep doing experiments like this!

[@Cap11111]

You should do a trial blindfolded but have a few duplicate bows as well. You might end up eliminating one while keeping the other.

[@tyr9189]

I think this was a great idea and a great video. Look forward to more of them

[@brianbaures6409]

Great series of videos, I would definitely be interested in more like this.

[@nathangroseclose2071]

Great vid!. This is how I been wantin to test for a couple years now!.

[@gordonm.3729]

I think next time while doing this test, you should hook the the release to the string first. Then hand the release to the bow to the shooter, release hand before bow hand. Love the content as always.

[@davidsimpson3583]

This tells the truth. From someone that shoots them alot and he can't tell. In my experience I know certain grips I have problems with shooting left.

[@dansmith8933]

Oh this is gonna catch on like wild fire 🔥

[@chris_f_eden]

Yeah this will be a major part of how I choose my next bow if my local shop will allow it.

[@codyunderwood6252]

Absolutely outstanding test

[@harveygalloway3965]

This tells me that all of these flagships bows are ALL good!!

[@blackbeard0323]

Yes, just gotta find the one that you shoot well. Beyond the feel, it needs to be a bow you shoot well.

[@johnnewcomb5162]

Every one of them are great bows, they are also more accurate than any shooter that touches the bow. Just find one you like and go hunting.

[@GCSimons]

100% agree on the bow elimination video, that would be cool. Is there a universal type grip that could be mocked up for them all so that you could hold with a bare hand and feel vibrations as well?

[@andyernesto7199]

Suggestion: Have a larger target area so you can shoot right after drawing so you can weigh in on the cycle and back wall right away

[@baloneylorddonkeyhammer2273]

I would say use a rubber like dishwasher glove so you can feel the vibration better and you would be on what feels the best with out biases

[@jadebrecks]

I love this. I would love to see you guys shoot and rate one round then guess brand on a second round.

[@SeasonalObsession]

By naming the brand first you may be showing bias with your rating. Id be interested to see a test with no brand naming, just rating it based on feel blind folded with a glove

[@royhoglund1322]

Yea, do more of these. I thought you would get more right than James. Hey, but what do I know? Anyway, it was very interesting.

[@zakgibson445]

I like the thought of doing all the bows till you're left with one. You could do the test like an eye doctor. Shoot 2 bows and keep the better of the 2 until your left with the best feeling bow.

[@bvsproductions9021]

The matthews was a dead give away being the only drop away rest. Love the videos!

[@colety04]

bc of the shitty draw cycle

[@yasotay]

Awesome, and eye opening.

[@Cparchery...]

I think you need to do this with the bows set up but make sure you use the sight mounts the bows are made to use so a Pic mount or bridgelock and see if it changed the feel of the bow

[@UnBound-Archery]

Hope you guys do this every year.

[@setharter]

Its interesting, confirms they all build nice bows and it comes down to brand bias as well as what the shooter likes. I would be interested to see him shoot like 5 years of flagships from each manufacturer together in a similar manner. I dont think you could tell a difference. Bow industry does a great job at marketing and making you want the latest and greatest.

[@jamesashley3827]

Thanks 👍

[@ghaugsness]

Very interesting for sure.

[@aabaaab7305]

Would it be possible to have the same handle on all bows, so that the glove isn't necessary. That way it would perhaps be possible to get a better feel of the vibration on the different bows. Also I like the idea of doing this at a target wall to eliminate the time between drawing and aiming. In any case, thanks for doing this. Very valuable indeed. Keep it up guys!

[@marvinmcafee4275]

Just one thing being able to see which ones you got right an how you ranked them a bit better but these are awesome videos

[@FatalReactionPB]

I'd like to see this done for a newer shooter/buyer. Like here's a lineup, at x price point, blindfolded but no glove so they can feel what the risers doing... Elimination style, when you're done this is more or less the bow you like.

[@TheNewBowunter]

I would like to see this..testing Carbon VS Aluminum bows.

[@terryosment5556]

Do more things like this lol very entertaining and stats are interesting

[@johnmaxwell3179]

Very fun videos and I think you should do the video elimination and see what you end up with in the end

[@allenr6687]

This was cool test next time throw some of the budget bows in there with the flagships

[@The-Jokes-on-You]

Personally, i'd like to see you attempt Falconry afterwards......... or welding.

[@teddibiase5332]

Put a sandbag or heavy board on the ground that you put you toes against. That way you're standing relatively the same each shot.

[@Jase-E]

Another surprising factor is the weight. The carbon bows weren't distinguishable based on this. Granted, I dont know what those bows weigh compared to the aluminum risers but based on the material and the purpose of a carbon bow, I would only assume that they SHOULD be lighter...

[@jeffersoncroci9406]

Maybe some tennis racket tape on the grip to hide the grip some but not vibration

[@mgrundy]

poor Pooh Bear. She may never recover 😆 Awesome content on this one lady & gents

[@tonypetrie6275]

Great video idea

[@PDS_37]

great vid. why was the audio so biazarre though?

[@bigz5262]

This shows that there are no real bad choices. One thing that would be interesting would be a group test at like 50 yards. Get everyone to try so you have a few different shooters. 3 shots isn’t really enough though unless you’re using a hooter shooter

[@davefisher5196]

It would have been nice if we would have seen the name of bow you shot so we would know if you got it right and what you thought it was.

[@douglasbartlett9142]

I think this was a cool test. The next time I buy a bow I think I will test it blindfolded to eliminate the name bias.

[@briannealen6324]

I think a great idea would be to make a custom handle that can be moved to every bow. So that you have the same handle at the same angle. So that you can feel the vibrations. And the handle itself wouldn’t give the bow away. Since they all have the same exact handle.

[@keithmather2842]

So fun to watch.

[@fightinside376]

Great video

[@CJay2987]

Great test

[@kt3505]

MFJJ has a 6th sense as he was avoiding the fridge on his test run as he was always to the right and the first test with James was always pointed towards the fridge.Guess if you paid for it your gut just knows lol. No unwanted stainless penetration test! But this was very cool . Take the price tags and badging off , then go test fire bows, you just may prefer an entry level bow to a flag ship, or vice versa.

[@destrywilcox6534]

Cool test

[@True_flight777]

Don't forget James to tap dem jewels too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

[@nathanhawkins-qe5bm]

You should do this without trying to guess which bow it is, take all the bias out of it completely. Just give a legit rating completely on draw, backwall, feel, etc and not trying to determine which is which

[@HuntingCreatures]

Hold on! VAR call. The first one was a Darton and the second to last also a Darton?

[@tbzane2724]

The 1st bow he shot was actually the Elite.

[@chuck805]

Sounds like a mini series...who's next? Tim C. maybe for starters.

[@williamkantzler1619]

He got the elite right !! Dude handing the bows didn’t know what the bows were lol

[@trevorjohnson7440]

If there was a way to make the grips on all the bows the same with some kind of 3d printed clip on grips then you'd be able to feel vibration.

[@michaelbushey2787]

Why was there 2 dartons on the list and not an elite for bows , not guesses.. ??

[@benzy2]

The second “Darton” was the Elite

[@HuckFTW]

The only thing they agreed on… Bear is the worst 😂

[@juanrodriguez-mu7ko]

This amazing Dan and Tim next!!!

[@timmurphy3769]

So choose your ATA (if you need a specific ATA), then do this blindfolded glove test with a selection of bows...then find out if the grip on your top pick feels good i guess???

[@timmurphy3769]

Also, I'm interested in both Hoyt AND Mathews for their weight reduction and increasing width of limbs etc etc... But next bow will probably be a Bowtech for ease of tuning/tinkering... Have an Elite Omnia, but probably never go Elite again just for all the issues the Omnia has had so far... ( I learned heaps about tuning/tearing down and rebuilding a bow from it, though...)

[@Jbob37]

Love it!!!

[@alaskace24]

You have 2 dartons was one a elite? if you look at the first bow shot and the 7th

[@chanceholmes4120]

This is a competition of who knows their flagship bows, better. I thought we were doing an unbiased review…?

[@billatkinson6807]

How many Keystones were involved lol. But great video

[@TH0rT3k]

The first bow was a elite not a darton.

[@antoniobustamante548]

The first bow, barely hit on the edge of the target 🎯 lmfao! 😬😬😅

[@johnkrieg9933]

Looks like the PSI was pretty high also but not mentioned

[@draco9631]

Love it guys more people to do it and an elimination.. get all the guys in the shop to do it

[@robertporteus7700]

that first bow did not look lke a Darton bow.Great vid.

[@romanvaldivia7621]

Do this test except where the person doesn't know the option of brands there testing to eliminate the guess of the brand so they don't think (that's the Matthew's hoyt ect?) and give it a higher number bc of that thought. just go by the feel

[@lightnangles]

Target wall or closer to target next time. Too much time between draw and shot is likely why every score is so similar. Probably also too worried about shooting that nice fridge rather than concentrating on the bow, lol.

[@Eightball2516]

You should mix in some mid priced bows and see if he can tell you

[@Cparchery...]

This is awesome

[@chadknapp5170]

If possible, put the same grip on every bow. Just manufacture a universal grip, if they don't already have one, and attach it to each test bow. That would solve the "grip hack" issue anyways lol

[@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86]

I think it was cool. It's definitely entertaining and informational at the same time. Informative I guess

[@ALEKSfulcrum]

It’s worth subscribing just for this video) In my opinion, guessing a bow model makes the assessment more biased, holding several models in your hands often won’t be enough gloves, so as not to recognize your favorite model, you need to use last year’s models, for example. I think the strength of such a test combined with the archer’s experience makes it as objective as possible, excluding marketing and personal bias. When checking the effect of medications, some patients may receive regular sugar in place of the expected pill, and neither he nor the creator of the medicine knows what and who received it, in order to eliminate bias in the assessment.

[@brooksmaxey9745]

I think you'll see much more difference in target bows. Hunting bows all draw pretty similar target is a different animal.

[@dougkiefer7073]

Very interested I like these videos