[PoE 3.14] Can You Make Your Money Back Investing 700c/map in 3.14 Ultimatum?

[@Dooministry]

I ended up replacing the winged blight scarabs with winged abyss scarabs when I actually ran the maps after I realized that the scarab currently does not stack with the sextant mod. Thank you everyone who has pointed this out. It was addressed prior to the actual experiment. Thanks.

[@Dante00151]

Thank you for doing this test. I would rather snort an ash tray than touch this kind of farming lol

[@Dooministry]

lol

[@Jackalope904]

Pfff lol

[@LnDxLeo]

I literally praise all content creators who spread "megajuice isn't worth it" information. just big *THANK YOU* sir

[@Dooministry]

I appreciate that!

[@eugenehardy5298]

Thanks God im a casual players and dont care about all this profits etc or my head will just explode from all this numbers, i just playing my build and having fun. Thank you for video.

[@guilhermeeduardodalascio3006]

Very Nice to show this results. I made myself a practice test in Valdo. I was spending like 3ex ea map, doing Nemesis Mod + winged harb, 3 polished Legion/breench/meta. 40% Deli switch scarabs and Currency. I was getting like 5ex per map not counting on lucky drops. Decided to change It and drop the Delirium, keep winged harb and Nemesis + 3 Rusted scarab, and to Tell the true It was way better then with Deli, was making for sure more profit.

[@Dooministry]

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@Dodanos1]

I just started PoE first time and went through a lot of channels but this seems like a best one by far. Great informations, understandable for new players.

[@Dooministry]

Thanks!

[@TwoLeftSh0es]

Hope you're enjoying the game, what build are you playing?

[@Dodanos1]

@@TwoLeftSh0es It took me like 10 hours to understand what is the point of all of it and started to get fun for me. Im playing Elemental hit raider. Its propably most confusing game i ever played in my life for total beginner :D but by little steps its getting better and realy addictive.

[@TwoLeftSh0es]

@@Dodanos1 cool, I'd probably recommend sticking pretty religiously to a build guide for the first few builds you play. Once you've learned some of the main mechanics and the meanings of some of the terminology then you can start to make little changes to builds. Use poe ninja to check out some of the top builds if you want to see ways of varying a build. You can check ele hit and raider and it will show you the top level builds and the most used items by those builds. Make sure you're using a loot filter as valuing items is really hard and a loot filter can help a lot. There are loads of other third party tools too but you'll probably learn about them as you go. Best of luck.

[@PewZorg]

You went full ham with the investment. I approve :D

[@exileblayde]

You sir deserve way more subs, your dedication to good, detailed PoE content is top notch !

[@Dooministry]

Much appreciated!

[@DGraze]

2 weeks ago, as new player, i watch someone doing similar to this, and said wtf , just mapping already and let me see the loot. now, I solemnly listen to his map mod. what a journey

[@oreesama22]

TL:DR is, skip the expensive delirium scarab orbs, go for cheap ones

[@nathanielnizard2163]

Effect of modifiers of non unique maps is better than most prefixes when you are considering beyond if it's T1, because it impacts beyond spawn a lot as well, you end up with a triple dip scalling, obviously you want a decent prefix with that but its a lot to ask the weighting is tough. I loved the format of your video, the content was a bit pointless but it made a point.

[@jayn4892]

Until GGG implements some looting vacuum, im not touching this sht again.

[@joseluiscuervolopez-mora1814]

Cheers to a GREAT VID!!!!!

[@Dooministry]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@arnaudfevre8108]

First, very good vid sir, i loved farming harbis this league, farmed 100+ canyons, I usualy take only the harb winged, but for the rest polished is fine i guess, you save lot of money by that, for extra money i recommend running vaal winds prophecy for extra 7/8 divine orbs per map ( when it procs ) in long terms as you said its profitable, i had a decrease of profit when i had to roll 510 awakened sextants to get nem mod, i scour/alch my own maps (got tons of them) till i get nem and over 85% quant, and sometimes (1/10) you get nem + beyond, your investment pushed to extreme is interesting tho, thanks !

[@stevenbrewster643]

This is a flex!

[@Lu5ck]

Looking at the breakdown, I come to an impression that 4x merchant watchstones might be actually more profitable than harbinger watchstones on double beyond+nemesis (bought maps) runs. 4 of such watchstones would be 48% chance to drop additional basic currency. In double beyond+nemesis map where rares is pushed to the very limit, having more chance to drop more hard currency could potential result in better overall currencies as compared to shards from harbinger. Also, it did be nice to analyze if the number of rares spawned and loots from winged abyss, winged legion and winged breach cover its cost.

[@Jackalope904]

I know it's too much juice when the first pack I touch sucks the soul out of my gpu. Its a hit and run scenario as I pray the fps comes back before the pack reaches me. So basically any deli map lol.

[@Dooministry]

lol

[@nicholaskillmeier4895]

We could also saqawine cobra the maps and get that quantity up. It's only like 20c to add, but can add 20-30% quantity. Only time you wouldn't do it is if you're afraid of hitting reflect or some other mod your build can't handle.

[@MR.G.A.A]

I think the quantity value on the original maps used is what makes a huge impact on the result . So ur last map had elder and some over 100 quant and it did drop much much more loot than others . One more note also is u need to go for triple or double beyound . Also makes huge difference . In poe pushing one mode to its limit is better juicing than divercefing and using many unmaxed mods .

[@sepfirem]

how you would even go tripple beyond this league...

[@MR.G.A.A]

@@sepfirem one zone has inherent beyound nodes . Plus sextant and map mode . Is triple beyound

[@jamessunderlandseventh7410]

Damn! That winged blight scarabs not stacking with the additional blight encounter from the sextant bug truly is awful and pretty unreasonable.

[@89Moretto]

If You are going to pay for nemesis+beyond, You definetly have to get beyond in sextant. Skitering deliorb isnt worth except You are doing 100% deli. If You only want delifog, get the mirror sextant. Even the cheapest deliorb is better than skitering. Anyways, good vídeo sir

[@Dooministry]

Thanks. And yes I went for beyond on sextant as well. Also yes one of the conclusions was that skittering wasn’t worth.

[@Jc-go3mz]

I don't think it is worth rolling delirium sextant cause it is pretty inconsistent and rare. If you get it while rolling for nemesis 3 then great, but if not, you are probably better with a random shitty delirium orb.

[@uw10isplaya]

Imposing Merchant is definitely awesome. I run 1x Auspicious and 3x Imposing Merchant. Really boosts your raw chaos/exalts. I've had maps with 70+ raw chaos ... Guess that's why they're 3-4ex

[@chrisklooz9538]

Just like last league, the skittering market value is based off the value it has to group farming. Running soli, you have no chance make your money back. Same is true for a lot of the different mapping currencies. Feels like a broken system. Ready for them to nerf group item Quant. Hopefully that will help correct these odd market valuations.

[@Dooministry]

Ya great point. I wonder if they ever will...

[@LiveforHM]

@@Dooministry i dont think they will; they like group farming

[@chrisklooz9538]

@@Dooministry idk, I feel like they will eventually have to do something to stop a big % of the player base from being priced out of lots of the end game items needed to access types of content. When the market value reflects what an item is worth for a group party, and solo players feel like it's a huge waste, it leads to a lot of bad feelings. But maybe GGG sees it as making items more valuable to find, and sell the group farmers...idk... cause groups are also who is flooding the market with so much that lots of things feel worthless that have value. I can see GGG is in a weird/bad position with that stuff, and quite a few other things. But I really hope they dial it back a little, and navigate all the issues carefulky

[@uhohdd]

You deserve more subscribers. 🥰🥰💜

[@Zwiz0]

very interesting video, i love running nemesis mod sextant. However! I run with x4 0.6%chance to drop alterations as full stacks and i would really like to see you try this out

[@luciusrex]

Dude I love your channel, helped me out a lot. But I'm also just a beginner, first league and all. Would you be able to make something that's more beginner friendly? Like how to make your first ex? Or yknow basic end game stuff that doesn't cost everything a noob has. Could also be a way to transition beginners into more advanced gamey pro poe strategies. Maybe a guide to crafting a few 15-50c items to start with? Or farming Idk. Idk. Just an idea. There's so many videos that show 1m ex/hour but damn, they're usually so out of reach for noobs like me.

[@Dooministry]

Hey man thanks for the comment. It is definitely hard to balance the youtube content for all levels of players but short answer is yes I would like to put out more beginner friendly content, and your feed back really helps me figure out what is useful content to put out. I will work on it. For the time being hopefully the beginner friendly content I already have on the channel is helpful. A couple in particular of note are the mechanics explained playlist and the atlas passive explained playlists. Cheers.

[@luciusrex]

​@@Dooministry yes i look to your mechanics videos actually! ;) esp the atlas lea frog strat one, of all the videos that explained it, it was yours that clicked! It's awesome that you credit people too. Rn im down to the last watchstone and still have your video up in case i need a reminder lol i love ziz too but even his poe university on how to make currency dives real deep into advanced poe mechanics right away lmao

[@abumizaiko5636]

OMG SO JUICY!

[@Kvodan]

People going crazy with this overhyped and overrated strategy. Return same money that invest for huge timelaps, millions of clicks and billions of trades to sell all that stuff - look like joke and doesn't worth it at all. Buth thank for

[@SkInDeSFeed]

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[@HiImOmeleta]

? :D

[@RKWARLORD]

If a huge amount of high level players are doing this and the entire market has shifted because of this im pretty sure it works chief.

[@Kameoler]

Тесен Мир )

[@vollmonm]

@@SkInDeSFeed какая лютая зависть от ноунейма без галки

[@Yao6084]

Greatz video doom keep it up! I would say is 100% delirium would be better this this case? Since everything are pushing into min max =p (more iq ir and monster density)

[@Dooministry]

Probably, I wasn't quite sure I could do 100%. I played it real safe to make sure I can do the maps instead of ripping 700c lol

[@granata2569]

i always wondered where's your carpal tunnel video should be called: Can You Make Carpal Tunnel Throughout clicking 12 mil tiems in 10 maps

[@granata2569]

But regardless Ty for testing, Sir

[@Dooministry]

Definitely something GGG should improve on

[@Maksim-hg9er]

i run harb, meta, legion and CART , depending on map i also add divination instead of legion. Cart scarab is way too cheap not to run it and it really seems to work.

[@ceowylon]

Kinda weird people spend exalts on rolling maps for beyond + nem but dont use the add a mod to a rare map beast craft to get 90+ quant. Feel like people just don't know about it.

[@Dooministry]

You're probably right. I didn't know about that either thanks

[@Highfather]

quant doesnt affect nemesis and harby loot

[@ceowylon]

@@Highfather No, but monster pack size affects how many rares there are. Edit: Especially when considering beyond.

[@spirokim]

beyond & nemesis map .. I wonder how you made it. If you used trade... It's at least 1ex.

[@Dooministry]

Yes I used trade, they were 1.5 ex each when I made this video. I bought all 10

[@danielbonelli2138]

Ty for the video!! Noob question... why run the map with Alva master mission??

[@DamienBaka]

It adds more mobs so you drop more loot with Delirium.

[@CabalMidgard]

gem experience not accounted for in profits?

[@Dooministry]

No it is not. But you're right these maps generate tons of experience from all the rare packs. You can level pretty fast and level gems fast too.

[@anthonyg6083]

What do you think about Poe currency dropping in bigger quantities and stacks but less often? ex. So instead of 1alt here and there you get 5 alts etc.

[@Dooministry]

That would be amazing

[@DamienBaka]

Now try to run a 100% Deli or the mirror, 20% are not that great. Good test though, wished I could try more strategies but this league is too grindy for everything so I moved on. ;) EDIT: I ran 1 deli map in standard with my self curse from last league, it was fun and I dropped an ex, haha.

[@darealrulezbreaker9493]

is that a treasure planet themed hideout? :O

[@Dooministry]

It is the Falls Steampunk Airship hideout, that you can find on hideoutshowcase.com

[@iampongchi]

Can i ask what build are you using here? Can you share your pob or the guide you made for it thanks! Kudos!

[@Dooministry]

POB and build guide in the description

[@CorrexPoE]

delirium mirror is better then deli orb imo, aslong as your able to run the map during the deli mirror is active not for deli loot, but the raw amount of simulacrum splinters is worth it on ita own. you will get easily half a simulacrum per map

[@Dooministry]

Agreed I’ve come to that conclusion as well

[@hayom120]

no? you get about 50 splinters per map without alva

[@Dooministry]

@@hayom120 more splinters drop with a mirror vs a deli orb. I actually did mirror on my 300c/map runs and dropped 70-80 splinters per map. A deli orb this time around dropped about 40-50 splinters per map

[@Jc-go3mz]

@@Dooministry For me it is pretty inconsistent. It seems like if the blight and ultimatum encounters spawn at the beginning sometimes I only get 30 splinters but the next map with the exact same mobs I could get like 90-100.

[@derekadair5320]

This seems like its not worth, right? i mean 7k investment for 800 profit seems kinda bad. Especially looking at the graphs... that last map is the reason you even made 800c. PS - awesome video, insta subbed.

[@Dooministry]

Ya I don't think this is worth doing, just wanted to experiment. Thanks for the sub!

[@PancakeRiots]

Do you think you would've actually made a lot more of your money back if the blight stacking wasnt bugged?

[@Dooministry]

Yes more, but I wouldn't expect it to be enough to move the needle significantly.

[@william7yifans]

wait doesnt it take 5 deli orbs per map?

[@REIwAlexY]

714/819 or 87% of your TOTAL profit came from 1 map..... thats hella sketchy

[@Dooministry]

Yes it is LOL. This definitely didn’t work as well as the 300c/map investment. Would def do that if I were to continue to farm go forward

[@bvbayaga]

did you notice that your last map was the only one with high qunatity? it has to have at least above 80%

[@hamzahussain7794]

Hey man, can you please give guide for your build? I am bored and I need a fast and fun flash farmer which can destroy giga juiced maps and your build looks cool as hell. None of the other guides are working for me, budget is not an issue for me. Edit: ah didn't see the description, thanks man! Is this the same build running in background of this video?

[@Dooministry]

Yes it is. The elemental hit raider with the shadowstalker MTX. It is very satisfying to play once you get enough gear. Make sure to catch the juiced version of the build guide (I also have a budget version), if currency isn't an issue for you. GL!

[@hamzahussain7794]

@@Dooministry Thank you so very much! I'll start working on the budget version and then upgrade it to the maxed one. Is the headhunter mandatory?

[@Dooministry]

@@hamzahussain7794 headhunter is not mandatory. A good high budget alternative is a stygian vise with T1 elemental damage with attacks and turbulet catalysts (ele damage).

[@hamzahussain7794]

@@Dooministry thanks, you are awesome!

[@neckolascage194]

7:31 rip my ear dude god why

[@Dooministry]

Sorry not really sure what that is, definitely would have edited that out if I caught it

[@richardaquino8337]

i thought blight scarabs didnt stack with the sextant roll

[@Dooministry]

You’re right it doesn’t, it’s bugged currently. I mentioned it in the video

[@Ellendiel]

Why would you roll for blight sextant when you're using blight scarabs?

[@AchilleasKouKounari]

Because it should stack, but it is bugged rn

[@Dooministry]

I didn’t. I mentioned it in the video once I realized after the first map that it’s bugged. I swapped to abyss scarabs afterwards

[@curo.]

How does he not mention a single time that the biggest factor was probably the quant? He said he "got lucky" in the last map, but it was more than just getting lucky. That last one was 100%+ quant, versus the other ones being 70-80%. That one map is such a huge outlier and skews the results so much that there doesn't seem to be much point in doing any analysis past "this strat sucks". What I'd like to see instead would be a comparison of 70% quant maps with nemesis+beyond versus 110% quant maps with only one of those mods.

[@AnarantShowONE]

why it's not 100% delirium?

[@TheRoblock]

because multiple delirium layers don't increase the mob quantity, but rather the chance of spawning delirium bosses and increased simulacrum splinters amount.

[@xrvbjr624]

I can’t imagine how long it took for you to loot. Probably used all 6 portals each time

[@Dooministry]

about 5-10 minutes per map, and only 1-2 inventories worth each map. Pretty much every currency stacks so it doesn't take that much space, unlike the 100% delirious scarab maps that take up a lot of inventory space.

[@Betruul]

currency delirium orb i guess would have been better...

[@Jc-go3mz]

didn't even use elevated sextants smh

[@rossgraham7179]

Can't roll double blight,losing that money

[@Dooministry]

Yes I switched out after the first map I mentioned it in the video

[@uw10isplaya]

Did you not get a single polished/gilded harbinger scarab from any of the 10 scarab-orbed maps? lmao

[@Dooministry]

Just checked, and I did not lol. Very unlucky on those scarab drops wow.

[@flowurr6969]

i dont think my pc can handle this

[@nguyenxayza3]

Well, i think ggg was neft it. Lmao

[@yosi1653]

All i want is a headhunter Thats it.. Is that too much to ask 🥺 Seems impossible this league

[@Jc-go3mz]

bro. Do the 300c per map investment for a few weeks. guaranteed HH

[@jozwaters1388]

since base currency was your biggest take out of this would it not be better to run a Deli Orb for Currency be better than the scarab one? just a thought

[@Dooministry]

Possibly, but the deli orbs don't stack with the other mechanics, so the math is simple on those. Just take the results of the drops and compare straight to the deli orb cost. Since the skittering orb was not worth running, you're probably right that the currency one might have been a better option here. Cheers

[@hfweuiofnweuio500]

tldr he made 246c per h

[@pedrolopa2]

Bro I have less than 1 fps when doing this

[@kamiskam420]

1.5ex each??? Wtf

[@spotjordison9379]

Hey, sir. I'm pretty sure u can have only one blight per map, so ure better off hard rolling rituals. Its basically the second best sextant for this strategy, since it respawns the rares in the ritual. You have to try that instead of blight! Im not trying to undermine or anything, so please don't misunderstand, im trying to help

[@Dooministry]

Thanks for the suggestion. I did address this in the video and replaced the blight scarabs with abyss scarabs. You can find that in the results section.

[@spotjordison9379]

@@Dooministry yeah, i was too early to comment as i was watching the video, sorry about that! I hope that ritual sextant gave you some more ideas

[@Jc-go3mz]

no, rituals do not give any extra loot by respawning monsters. definitely not worth it.

[@spotjordison9379]

@@Jc-go3mz Hey, I'm not sure what you mean by they dont give any extra loot. They deffinitely do, especially in this level of juicyness. I'm trying to understand why would u think that though. Maybe you do the rituals as soon as you find them? Help me understand, I'm not trying to offend anyone, only trying to help. :)

[@Jc-go3mz]

@@spotjordison9379 the enemies respawned by the rituals do not drop extra currency from nemesis 3. I have ran over 30 of these maps. I would know. They definitely do drop a bit of currency but its maybe a few chaos worth of loot. Definitely not worth it to roll the mod considering how rare it is and the price of awakened sextants.

[@simonsung337]

Lol only running 20% delirious either do 100% or just try to get the sextant mod for delirious

[@brandulak]

Yep. Single skittering will never be profitable on it's own + lost all the potential profits from Deli mirrors. Setup was flawed from the start. Feelsbad.

[@hayom120]

@@brandulak every setup in these videos is bad, I don't get it lol

[@some_other_guy]

All that bullshit to make 800c? No thanks. I did as juiced as I could with what I had last league when i would luckily roll the nemesis sextant mod. So much clicking, so much bullshit. If that's how people wanna farm that's fine by me. I'll take playing the game how I do and be just fine.

[@igor9360]

Well done! That's incredible, you're exceptional. Wihtout fail, alluring, how cool is this? Cheers to you! I'm on YT also.😋 Subscribed to your channel.:)

[@danm.6933]

Useless