Woke Racism Defies Logic!

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The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins

The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins

Күн бұрын

I have long wanted to meet John McWhorter. He’s an extremely well-known public intellectual and opinion leader who, in my opinion, always talks sense. I have this rather eccentric idea that before becoming a public intellectual, you need to earn your credentials by having something important and interesting to be intellectual about, and John McWhorter qualifies in a big way. He is a world authority on linguistics, the study of the extraordinary phenomenon of human language, which I think is one of the most important and interesting subjects out there.
We both spoke at the Dissident Dialogues conference in New York this year, and I seized the opportunity to invite him onto The Poetry of Reality. I was delighted and honored when he accepted. I began by asking him about linguistics, including the vexed question of the origin of language.
Only later did we move on to his more controversial book, a book that I strongly recommend, “Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America.
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@slotcarpalace
@slotcarpalace 3 ай бұрын
John McWhorter is one of the great minds of our time. Holy shit, this was amazing!
@dezurniprovokator373
@dezurniprovokator373 3 ай бұрын
Actually he is not! That claim is way too big.
@DennisElliott-h1c
@DennisElliott-h1c 3 ай бұрын
I love listening to John McWhorter.
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 3 ай бұрын
@@dezurniprovokator373 ok mr pedant ;) but I agree, even John would say thats a little over hyped :)
@willmercury
@willmercury 3 ай бұрын
​@@elingrome5853 It's not pedantry if it's on point and at scale; it's merely setting the record straight. John is brilliant and wonderful, and doesn't need the hyperbole to be appreciated.
@skipfluck4299
@skipfluck4299 3 ай бұрын
Not really, he is just using basic logic, that we all should be using.
@notfarfromgone1
@notfarfromgone1 3 ай бұрын
How fortunate we are to listen in on this. Gratitude.
@IRGeamer
@IRGeamer 3 ай бұрын
How fortunate you must be to find a boundless source of baseless assertions that so very conveniently happen to support all your bigotry... /s Every accusation is an admission... "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell Brandolini's law - "The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”
@notfarfromgone1
@notfarfromgone1 3 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamer - how unfortunate that you seem eager to lash out. get some rest/water and go hug something.
@Burner39
@Burner39 3 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamerI’d genuinely like to debate your thoughts - maybe we could educate one another.
@angelozachos8777
@angelozachos8777 3 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamer The arguments which challenge your WOKE ideology are increasingly becoming more refined , articulate , robust. WOKE’S destruction & failure is imminent. Your irritation is understandable. Continue coping .
@troy3456789
@troy3456789 3 ай бұрын
@@IRGeamer I was in disbelief until I read the book "On the Origin of Species", then I realized it has nothing to do with belief at all. You discover that Darwin's was a discovery and that he gets the credit for discovering evolution, because he did all the hard work and documentation of it in a format the everyone can read. Many, many people long before Darwin had proposed the idea, but Darwin did all the hard work. It's just like Galileo gets the credit for discovering that Psalms 104 vs 5 could not possibly be correct, because he did the hard work of it and made it available to everyone. The sun doesn't rise, and it certainly doesn't go around the earth. The church made him recant his discovery, or they would have executed him. Had Darwin discovered what he did 300 years before, the same thing would have happened to him as a result of religious authority.
@mummifiedgamer
@mummifiedgamer 2 ай бұрын
I clicked on a video promising to talk about woke racism, instead I got a conversation about language for 40 minutes. And I don't regret a second of it.
@davife
@davife 3 ай бұрын
What a enlightening conversation. This could be a monthly talk and I would watch it.
@antitheistvegan
@antitheistvegan 3 ай бұрын
Ahh two of my favourite people!! Great chemistry between them.
@pcbacklash_3261
@pcbacklash_3261 3 ай бұрын
Love McWhorter, like Dawkins, but I always learn something when I listen to either of these two.
@ReverendDr.Thomas
@ReverendDr.Thomas 3 ай бұрын
I have a video on my channel regarding VEGANISM, in case you are interested to watch it. Incidentally, the plural of "person" is "PERSONS", not "people".
@c2jsi
@c2jsi 3 ай бұрын
This was so good. Two public intellectuals for whom l still have the time and patience.
@rustyshackleford8497
@rustyshackleford8497 3 ай бұрын
Wow, McWhorter and Dawkins! Absolutely brilliant, what a treasure!!!
@9ja9ite
@9ja9ite 3 ай бұрын
What an enjoyable conversation to listen to. It’s such a pleasure to hear people having a conversation with an exchange of ideas. So many podcasts are just people talking at each other that is a real gem when you find people actually engaging with each other.
@barbaraleonard8379
@barbaraleonard8379 3 ай бұрын
This was fascinating !!!!! Thank you so much. The two of you all in one ,well can't get any better than that.
@joyatodd
@joyatodd 3 ай бұрын
As a kayaker the idea of island hopping and coastal exploration makes total sense to me. If one has nouns, hand signals are very useful at sea because sound doesn't carry well. So a proto language might have been quite gestural.
@theflamingone8729
@theflamingone8729 3 ай бұрын
Indigenous Australians use sign languages.
@joyatodd
@joyatodd 3 ай бұрын
@@theflamingone8729 I believe a couple of the North American tribes used sign language during hunting, as do modern soldiers and police in certain circumstances. We are a very adaptable species.
@theflamingone8729
@theflamingone8729 3 ай бұрын
@@joyatodd I think anyone who needs to communicate quietly has a form of sign language, those were good examples and applications you mentioned. The languages the Indigenous use here even cover kinship and lineage, whether maternal or paternal side. I think as with anything, need drives development of language.
@DC-zi6se
@DC-zi6se 3 ай бұрын
Exactly! like imagine escaping a remote island with someone who doesn't speak your language but understands the goal is to escape. 😅
@theflamingone8729
@theflamingone8729 3 ай бұрын
@@DC-zi6se great analogy, every situation that requires a solution could be viewed as escaping a remote island.
@RKupyr
@RKupyr 3 ай бұрын
Richard, why make this interview so short? Please continue your discussion with John again, soon. Fabulous juxtaposing of the evolution of biology and linguistics!
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 3 ай бұрын
Dude is very old and quite Ill 😉
@RKupyr
@RKupyr 3 ай бұрын
@@elingrome5853 Thank you. I actually didn't know he was ill. Hurts to hear that.
@Traderbear
@Traderbear 3 ай бұрын
I could have listened to you both for hours 😊
@soulpresencesa
@soulpresencesa 3 ай бұрын
Very enlightening indeed. What a pleasure to watch two such clever guys.
@PattisKarriereKarten
@PattisKarriereKarten 3 ай бұрын
I see JohnMcWhorter and Richard Dawkins, I click. 👍
@bertieboo
@bertieboo 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for a brilliant conversation ❤
@maganzo
@maganzo 3 ай бұрын
I like John, haven't seen him long time. This man thinks clearly.
@AllIsWellaus
@AllIsWellaus 3 ай бұрын
Lol. You really reached high in your compliment. The art of speaking clearly. 😉🫣
@rogerward801
@rogerward801 3 ай бұрын
On regularly with Glenn Loury
@domm6812
@domm6812 3 ай бұрын
Brilliantly articulate, thoughtful and well reasoned. It is a genuine relief to see that intelligent, rational people still exist in academia and are pushing back against the steamroller tactics of the far left.
@fartypants7060
@fartypants7060 3 ай бұрын
Great breath of fresh air. I genuinely believe that we lack the language to even talk about "race" in a meaningful way.
@harrypalmer3481
@harrypalmer3481 3 ай бұрын
Listening to these two Gents gives me a small but significant sense of relief & hope, at least for a short while, & perhaps longer. Appreciated.
@wistfulthinker8801
@wistfulthinker8801 3 ай бұрын
I wish I could give a thousand likes. One of the best conversations I’ve heard in a very long time. On the subject of where a word like rock came from, it just makes my mind wander. I thought of a grave stone that hominids called by the name of the person buried there, or even a rock or object above the grave. Years later someone with no knowledge of the person hears that name and generalizes it to the object in general. Maybe an object named after the name of a person who had characteristics that object represented to them. We’ll never really know.
@post_hit_invincibility9940
@post_hit_invincibility9940 3 ай бұрын
John is a fantastic lecturer. Absolutely brilliant. I highly recommend his "Story of human language" lecture-series on audible.
@fastenbulbous
@fastenbulbous 3 ай бұрын
Just a heads up, those are side address mics, so they should be set up to talk into the side of the mic, not the top. That’s why the audio sounds a bit thin.
@dalelerette206
@dalelerette206 3 ай бұрын
I don't think we are aware of the virtual reality of the language we speak. Convergent evolution seems to be a covergence of evoluionary factors that mirror languages merging.
@gusgrimey1375
@gusgrimey1375 20 күн бұрын
Never heard such an interesting conversation about linguistics before. Wasn’t interested in the subject so far… Thank you 🙏
@mikegray8776
@mikegray8776 Ай бұрын
Great conversation. Richard, for all his wisdom and really profound questions, is not a natural interviewer - but once you get past all the awkward pauses, the exchanges are delightful. Of course, John is one of the most captivating speakers of his generation - and brings both wit and entertainment to even the most serious topics.
@schyllic
@schyllic 10 күн бұрын
Great conversation. Two of my idols together, what a pleasure. Enlightenment reborn.
@MarwahBashiry
@MarwahBashiry 26 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this podcast. More John McWhorter, please.
@DaboooogA
@DaboooogA 3 ай бұрын
Great link up between these two - two shared domains and they have something insightful to offer in both.
@TimDeadmenVP
@TimDeadmenVP 3 ай бұрын
Top tier conversation, top tier tie.
@johnnycastellanetta7183
@johnnycastellanetta7183 2 ай бұрын
The ending of this very interesting conversation will stick with me. Refusing to acknowledge and learn from the past is a very dangerous state of being. We should rather acknowledge the past and learn from it. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean they should be erased from history - that's a tremendous mistake and an insult to those that fought for the progress we enjoy today, despite whatever flaws are also present.
@forrestorange
@forrestorange 3 ай бұрын
I'm so surprised that English people struggle so tremendously to see that English is so much closer to German than it is to French, really fascinating....
@sananton2821
@sananton2821 3 ай бұрын
People are obsessed with words and easily quantifiable measures.
@razzle_dazzle
@razzle_dazzle 3 ай бұрын
Interesting... I'm a native English speaker and it doesn't seem that way to me! What's your native language?
@cefrayer
@cefrayer Ай бұрын
John’s expression of how we can logically view race differently was eye opening for me, even at my advanced (63yo) age. I think he has forever changed me, and I value those rare moments. I also quite enjoyed his comparison of all types of illogical thinking to myth-based religions. However, I currently disagree with him that there is something wrong with later generations “canceling” (my word, not his) even those who were progressive in earlier generations. I think the old adage that “life is for the living” (i.e., not for the dead) has great merit, and that those who are living-and, by implication, especially younger adults-should be able to construct the world/societies that bring joy to their lives, which quite reasonably can include eliminating remnants of history that they find offensive/repulsive. Personally, I am a progressive, yet I revere and honor Abraham Lincoln. But I also have no problem with those who do not, or even those who might find my reverence for him offensive/repulsive. “Provided no one is harmed against their will, consenting adults of any number should be free to do for, to, and with themselves and each other whatever they choose.” That should be guiding principle of every free society, and cancelling historical figures does not seem to violate it.
@bobbresnahan8397
@bobbresnahan8397 3 ай бұрын
Great. Very thought-provoking. You know what, I'm going to become a patreon. The NYT et al are becoming so bad that I'm going to put my 2 cents with people who make sense. By the way, do you think that you could come up with a crossword?
@jocelynconvery3462
@jocelynconvery3462 3 ай бұрын
Always so stimulating to hear from you Dr. Dawkins. Thank-you
@Erika-bl7sj
@Erika-bl7sj 3 ай бұрын
Great pleasure to listen to those two brilliant scholars
@thecuriousidiot
@thecuriousidiot 3 ай бұрын
His book Woke Racism was excellent, although I'd be labeled racist for supporting it. Two other good books I recently read on racism and slavery which can add something to the currently debate: Reconstruction by WEB Dubois, White Cargo, and another, White Trash by Nancy Isenberg.
@ericchristen2623
@ericchristen2623 3 ай бұрын
Language is the physical result of mental imaging, thought and reason based on perception of the environment...
@ericchristen2623
@ericchristen2623 3 ай бұрын
Or Lung witchery for short...😅
@siggyincr7447
@siggyincr7447 2 ай бұрын
Maybe there were time constraints, but I think that a longer discussion between the two of you would have been welcome to most of your audience.
@PaulForeman-po2gw
@PaulForeman-po2gw 3 ай бұрын
The upload on Spotify is the wrong audio - it’s a repeat of the previous episode with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, but with the title of this video.
@EricGray-zr2es
@EricGray-zr2es 3 ай бұрын
"Only once. Oh, but only those two times.." There's your modern scientist, ladies and gentlemen
@micu1544
@micu1544 3 ай бұрын
Tom Holland's book "Dominion" is worth a read regarding the woke segment being basically a Christian heresy
@miller1899
@miller1899 12 күн бұрын
i did enjoy this episode and i will show some support by subscribing to the podcast, sharing it with a friend and leaving a motherfucking review. please do this again.
@_M_a_r_t_i_n_M
@_M_a_r_t_i_n_M 3 ай бұрын
Wow, to hear actual scientists debate/argue (if only for show) that language is NOT something new has my brain on fire now. Like, I observe my CATS having had developed a 'language' to communicate between themselves and me. They are by and large almost entirely non-verbal between themselves, they are VERY good at reading body language that they do not need to use their voices to communicate anything actually of interest to a cat between themselves. BUT, each of them HAS developed a set of 'meows' that they have actually standardized to communicate basic needs with ME. And they have even learned to have a somewhat-standard set that is common amongst them (yes I have four cats don't judge) that I can understand. Food, play, pets, attention, water, there is a bird on the window ledge, and even EMERGENCY! are things I observe common companion animals being able to formulate language for. So to think that early human ancestor-hominids had no language at all is not just ignorant, it is kind of insane to think. If they directly developed via natural selection into who we are today, complex communication would have existed for literal eons. Even if they did not have so much time to develop a lot of abstract thought due to the sheer amount of time dedicated to pure survival does not mean they did not develop complex language for things such as planning, hunting, travel, gathering logistics, food distribution. All of that would have developed from individual to individual communication for basic needs. And simply because early religion plays a massive role in linguistics evolving into written records and forms of permanent-storage of written records does not mean that it justifies inserting modern politics into it. And it really grinds my gears when people try and place modern morals and values on people who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago. It was a different time, you were not there so you have no right to judge them unless they were literally Hitler or Nero or Caligula or somebody clearly and blatantly evil. That is VERY rude to twist the words of people who have been dead thousands of years too long to defend themselves.
@mathewsydney8929
@mathewsydney8929 3 ай бұрын
Wow! Based on the title I was expecting a lot of racist bs but this conversation was very interesting and John has some very good points.
@peterz53
@peterz53 3 ай бұрын
Erectus has a brain volume of about 900 cc vs Sapiens 1200 cc. Would have like to hear Richard's views on brain size as gateway to language. The argument that erectus had language as an aid to planning makes sense to me. Will look up the entire argument.
@Truffle_Pup
@Truffle_Pup 3 ай бұрын
That is a very dangerous road to go down, just saying.
@joshuaf.3723
@joshuaf.3723 3 ай бұрын
It's accepted in anthropology that social interaction engendered language. One of my areas of study is encephalization evolution. Erectus may have had rudimentary language, but it likely wasn't until increased encephalization in archaic sapiens and our dependence on active hunting that complex language truly took off. We basically became hooked on animal resources when our brains grew because of the need to have the nutrition to support our large brains. This likely started from certain early sapiens groups who found easily accessible shell-fish around the Rift Valley. After getting 'hooked' on meat and the population grew and spread to other areas active hunting became required. So, social interaction, increased tool use, and active hunting created a genetic feedback loop which developed our complex language capacity.
@sananton2821
@sananton2821 3 ай бұрын
@@Truffle_Pup Oh no! Not...danger!
@hellabella8295
@hellabella8295 3 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! At last common sense! I can not wrap my mind around anyone who doesn’t consider the time when people were around and PLACE TODAYS STANDARDS AND VALUES onto people who lived a very different life with very different beliefs.. Because people who lived 100 plus years ago DIDNT THINK LIKE US, THEY WANT TO DESTROY THEIR LEGACY even though many of those people where the precursors to stopping slavery and having horrible racist views.. which the majority of the world DONT have.. We nearly got to a time when it didn’t matter .. and people were judged on character BUT WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS FAST.. I couldn’t care less about skin colour because all I base my opinions on is character and who the person is.. good, bad or indifferent.. I thought the goal was to come to a time when nothing mattered, sexual orientation, race, gender or whatever and all that mattered was who the person is.. and their character..
@vineflower
@vineflower 3 ай бұрын
What an incredible conversation! I wish everyone could see this
@adamdrakestudio
@adamdrakestudio Ай бұрын
I wonder if this man could answer why so many Americans struggle with the “the man, who I saw yesterdy….” and instead say “the man, who I saw him yesterday”. I hear it on almost every podcast or clip where such a construction is needed. An example of the mistake would be “Yesterday I was given an orange, which I didn’t even like it”.
@MichaelMims-p9h
@MichaelMims-p9h 3 ай бұрын
This is fantastic, as always with Richard.
@cerebrumpateo8112
@cerebrumpateo8112 3 ай бұрын
2 great thinkers, what a delight to listen to
@emilerichard1377
@emilerichard1377 Ай бұрын
A fascinating meeting of the minds. Thank you.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
@EmperorsNewWardrobe 3 ай бұрын
Really enjoying this channel, Richard!
@ArielDiaz-ec6zi
@ArielDiaz-ec6zi Ай бұрын
If this were a three-hour discussion, I would have listened to all of it.
@MelissaKnoxwriter
@MelissaKnoxwriter 3 ай бұрын
Two of my favorite thinkers! A real treat. Thank you
@anthonyrispo1229
@anthonyrispo1229 3 ай бұрын
These two need to write a book together or get a series going or something. Amazing.
@liberationinternational3210
@liberationinternational3210 3 ай бұрын
Wonderful conversation, thank you 🙏🏻
@broadcastbytes
@broadcastbytes 3 ай бұрын
To those running this podcast. Those mics look like the at2020 or very similar. They are side address microphone however you have them setup as end address. I could be wrong as I can't zoom in enough to confirm the mics. Just confirm them and maybe it'll mean much better sound. The sound wasn't bad as it is because they are condensers that'll give you a fair bit more forgiveness off axis. But this will help you with sound.
@Wingedmagician
@Wingedmagician 3 ай бұрын
im so glad dawkins decided to start a podcast
@bastiaanvanbeek
@bastiaanvanbeek 3 ай бұрын
Usually, the wrong types of people decide to start a podcast or a vlog, and on rare occasions, the best people, like Richard, decide it too.
@stevenbrady440
@stevenbrady440 25 күн бұрын
Great talk. Thanks professor McWorter.
@karllib
@karllib 3 ай бұрын
I speak 2 languages, taught them but have more interest in what they reveal about the environment they were formed in. Almost like forensics. They are, of course, practical tools too, but the amount of time to learn one makes little sense if you don't have a chance to really use one.
@josh_prada
@josh_prada 2 ай бұрын
John is wonderful. Thanks for this interview.
@TheRenegadeMonk
@TheRenegadeMonk 2 ай бұрын
Proof you can get away with saying any nonsense if you have no opposition. We might as well be watching Dave Rubin.
@aaryanbhattarai5120
@aaryanbhattarai5120 3 ай бұрын
Would love to see Prof. Noam Chomsky’s linguistic theories (especially, minimalist program) with Prof. Dawkins in any future episodes.
@thecuriousidiot
@thecuriousidiot 3 ай бұрын
I just read that Noam is very, very sick, that he won't ever again appear in public. Very sad.
@Owl-of-Minerva
@Owl-of-Minerva 3 ай бұрын
❤ Happy to find kindred spirits.
@estrafalario5612
@estrafalario5612 3 ай бұрын
36:34 I know you all came here for the linguistics, but the Woke Racism topic starts at this point 😊. But yeah, don't miss the first part, it isn't filling dialogue but really interesting points ✌️
@lenloving
@lenloving 3 ай бұрын
I would love to hear part two with continued musings about linguistics and evolution!
@AcademicIsraeli
@AcademicIsraeli 3 ай бұрын
Two brilliant minds. Inspiring.
@robertpotter3578
@robertpotter3578 3 ай бұрын
I have tickets to see you in Chicago in September, but you keep not mentioning that on your list of tour stops. I’m starting to get worried that this show doesn’t exist
@LanguageFilm
@LanguageFilm 3 ай бұрын
This is the greatest single KZbin video I have ever seen.
@shitzhu16
@shitzhu16 3 ай бұрын
A great discussion. Nice to see Richard Dawkins inquisitive in unfamilar terrritory. Note the exessive use of 'um'. Sign of a true scientific explorer trying to get to grips with new knowledge.Actually they both 'ummed' a lot
@marceauratard6869
@marceauratard6869 3 ай бұрын
2 of my favorites finally meet, this was great
@johannespilvikukka6003
@johannespilvikukka6003 3 ай бұрын
Norwegians and Danes do like it when Swedes try to speak their language, at least i my experience. One thing I would like to know is why some people are quick to pick up new dialects from their surroundings while others never do.
@angelmartin7310
@angelmartin7310 3 ай бұрын
My crows should start cawing any monent now, like every morning. Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how awesome crows are?
@MikeYates02
@MikeYates02 3 ай бұрын
Please have another conversation together soon! That was too short
@GNARGNARHEAD
@GNARGNARHEAD 3 ай бұрын
does anyone know why their mics are positioned like that? sound is fine, but I've just never seen that kind of mic used that way 😅
@GNARGNARHEAD
@GNARGNARHEAD 3 ай бұрын
I ran it by Chat GPT, it's take was that they might be using the microphone (they look like AudioTechnica 2020's to me) off axis to mitigate plosives without the need for a pop filter.. 😆 great chat by the way, only a few minute left, it's been most refreshing
@mc80466
@mc80466 3 ай бұрын
I actually feel bad for John. He so clearly loves language and would spend all his time on that if he could but has gotten dragged into the mud of talking about racism
@abcdeshole
@abcdeshole 3 ай бұрын
This could have been three hours long.
@conillet
@conillet 3 ай бұрын
The interviewee's name should figure in the title of the video.
@MaricaAmbrosius
@MaricaAmbrosius Ай бұрын
So in Norwegian there's a dialect, speakers of which take offense if someone from my part of the country tries to speak it; there is another dialect, speakers of which are more chill about imitators (and my mother speaks that one). Once I was talking to two guys, one of each dialect, and slipped into the second dialect for a sentence, and the guy who speaks number one got really offended on behalf of his friend, though his friend was super okay with it.
@th5841
@th5841 Ай бұрын
If most people immitate a dialect for mockery, then it may be tiresome in the long run. If they immitate it in good fun and out of respect and love, it is fun for all. Another thing is that people from the capitol city area in many countries, claim to not speak a dialect. They think they speak the «standard» version of the language. And then everybody not speaking or adapting to that toungh, are mocked and looked down upon. Is this the case in Norway?
@sirwilliamkarl5591
@sirwilliamkarl5591 3 ай бұрын
I met both of you at the Skeptics convention at Cal Tech roughly ten years ago. Didn't you meet then? I think you were both on the same panel.
@jaquiphillips9816
@jaquiphillips9816 3 ай бұрын
Interesting, thought provoking exchange.
@TurdFerguson456
@TurdFerguson456 3 ай бұрын
I think you get the word rock from the sound of it. A hard jagged rock hitting/grinding another rock. At least the "ck" part of it. A slab falling off a wall and smashing with an echo almost says the word rock. "Rah" is it breaking off and hitting the air, then "kuh" or "hck" is the hitting ground. 🤷‍♂️
@motleykingdom9394
@motleykingdom9394 Ай бұрын
Race, sexual preference, and gender are all uncontrollable characteristics, not identities. Equality is when you only identify people based on their personal actions, not their uncontrollable characteristics. Wokists don't support equality, they fight for segregation for selfish reasons. With equality you need to do something significant to be identified as someone of significance. With segregation you can pretend to be significant by association based on unearned and uncontrollable characteristics. I feel that all religions, including wokism, are held together by vanity and lack of humility.
@rickybobby5153
@rickybobby5153 2 ай бұрын
I love how 10 years ago “the left” was hard pushing to distinguish “systemic racism” from “racism” and somehow took a complete 180 and has tried to erase the definition of racism and replace it with that of systemic racism
@prischm5462
@prischm5462 3 ай бұрын
Great conversation between two very intelligent people!
@paddydiddles4415
@paddydiddles4415 3 ай бұрын
32:10 Big error - there used to be various land bridges throughout the last 2million years (ice age) so no big boats required
@drewlovelyhell4892
@drewlovelyhell4892 3 ай бұрын
The problem with the term "Defund The Police", is that it is misleading, and in the public conciousness it quickly turned into something else. It was originally a suggestion that America should pull back on the militarisation of the police that's taken place over the last fourty years, and reallocate some of that funding to social workers and other programs that reduce crime before the point that armoured vehicles, assault rifles and grenades need to be sent in. But the term "Defund The Police" is easily taken to mean: "reduce the number of cops, lower their budget, go easy on crime", which was not the intent at all. It shows the importance of a well worded slogan.
@elingrome5853
@elingrome5853 3 ай бұрын
This was fabulous guys thanks
@Nik-wj6zv
@Nik-wj6zv 3 ай бұрын
20:24 might have called it a philosophy rather than a religion, or a movement rather than a religion. I realize that both philosophy and movement have perhaps too positive a connotation to capture the intended effect here, but they're also arguably more accurate. Philosophies can be irrational and often have been throughout the years, and often implore some sort of pseudo or cherry-picked logic that makes them appear logical to the uncritical observer. That doesn't mean all philosophies are as such, but certainly some. I don't think all religions have to strike a supernatural element, and it's certainly hard to strictly define religion in a way that both encapsulates all the things we use it for today (with Buddhism often being a noteworthy exception) and is consistent. And I think that's precisely because we already use the term inconsistently. But I think the prevailing features of religion are 1) dogma to direct human behavior, 2) explanation of origins, and 3) claims of the afterlife. Obviously here again we're going to be confronted with statements like "Well Buddhism is one of the biggest religions in the world, and doesn't have an origin story or claim to the afterlife," and so on. And here I would just say that we have already a history of the uneven application of the word religion, where we've extended it to anything with dogma, scripture, and ritual. Potato potato, perhaps. But in none of those senses is 'woke' a religion. There's no scripture, there's no ritual, there's only *kind of* dogma, but it's not codified, it's more like in the oral tradition phase of its life, being passed around like a game of telephone and morphed mimetically in real time. 'Philosophy' also strikes a certain chord in that it implies something more structured, cohesive, and deliberate, so I think really "movement" is the only apt label for it, capturing the nuance of it being sort of an irregular, decentralized, not strictly codified behavior of a mass of people congregating without necessarily perfect agreement but with a common resonant theme that they're all loosely adherent to. Not all movements are good ones, so I don't think it confers an unjust positivity. Certainly they're not all rational. And really, that theme of a loosely fitting hive-mind forming, a digitally massed pitch-fork crowd, it has been a very common (and I should think we could even say predictable) outcome of social media. Not that we haven't had movements before, and major ones, obviously we have. But a rather obvious effect of social media is the fluidity of the rise of movements, just sort of whatever captures people's minds in the race for attention, whatever commonalities emerge, whether they're rational or not. And I don't think that's really descriptive of religion. There's a small overlap there in the Ven diagram, an overlap wherein an idea works only by suspending the critical faculties. But there's a great deal more on that Ven diagram that does not overlap, between the two. There's more overlap with 'philosophy' I'd wager, and yet more with 'movement' (although this last omits precisely the area of overlap previously mentioned - the necessity to suspend the critical faculties). So I think the use of the term 'religion' is less about accuracy and more about putting the focus of examination on a specific feature of 'woke' as described in this context.
@parastoonasr6328
@parastoonasr6328 Ай бұрын
Great pairing
@Pengalen
@Pengalen 3 ай бұрын
That was awesome.
@anthonykenny1320
@anthonykenny1320 3 ай бұрын
Would love to hear more on semitic languages and the evolution of the alpha Beth
@RKupyr
@RKupyr 3 ай бұрын
On a separate note: Complete layman that I am, I've long cuddled a personal hypothesis that coincides with John's; namely, that language was around already about 1.8 million years ago. Rather than the practical hurdles of the boat-across-the-sea rationale, I see Homo Erectus' expansion into truly far-flung reaches -- mountains, islands -- to be more likely a conscious search for, maybe, paradise, or the end of the world, or the place all animals come from, or where grandma went when she died, or where the Sun lives, or where all answers are, as only such a passion -- not mere practicality -- could inspire a creature to keep going, beyond where the game stops, beyond the warm weather, beyond the edge of land. Long lost proto-religion/s? Anyway, enough language to convey such intent and inspire others to join a truly one-of-a-kind - Isn't it, Richard? - global expansion of creatures well beyond their natural habitat. My two cents 🙂
@therealtulip
@therealtulip 2 ай бұрын
Please come to Barcelona
@clemdane
@clemdane 3 ай бұрын
If Richard Dawkins told me he had longed to meet me I would die on the spot
@zwerko
@zwerko 3 ай бұрын
On the subject of dialects - the Dutch will not be delighted if you try to speak Dutch, the moment you stutter or make a small mistake, they'll switch to English thinking they're doing you a favor, and you will never learn Dutch properly as you'll never get a feedback unless you fight for it. On a more serious note, I think what you're describing is the 'narcissism of small differences' phenomena and it's quite possible one of the driving forces behind language differentiation when it comes to dialects.
@joshuaf.3723
@joshuaf.3723 3 ай бұрын
What is facsinating about linguistics is it allowed us to track human migration from Africa prior to genetic analysis confirming the African Origin Theory. We now know that the five major language groups from Africa coincide with the five main matralinial haplogroups. All five of which are found in Africa, as opposed to the one to three found in non-African populations.
@ink1775
@ink1775 3 ай бұрын
Honest question here: why is hybridization a bad thing genetically? Thanks in advance for enlightening me!
@mgl576
@mgl576 3 ай бұрын
HGTV has to come to the rescue and decorate his studio.
@JaySwingdotCom
@JaySwingdotCom 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic!!!
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