Pokémon Colosseum - Obtainable Pokémon Tier List

You should read this description! And once you've done that, let me know what you think about this tier list in the comments.
The template I made: tiermaker.com/...
This tier list includes all Shadow Pokemon, in addition to Espeon, Umbreon.... and Plusle. Shout out to Twitch chat for reminding me to mention certain things during the recording of this video.
S: Extremely useful and easy to use
A: Very useful
B: Pretty useful
C: Useful
D: Limited utility
E: Very limited utility
F: Have some utility but probably not worth the trip to the PC
F-: Don't use these
N/A: Not-at-all useful for the Main Story
Some additional notes and corrections:
-I made an annotation for this but it bares repeating: spread moves like Surf get their damage cut by 50% in Gen 3. EDIT: unless they hit all Pokemon on the field. So EQ and Explosion don't get their damage cut. I REALLY wish I knew that while recording this because it would have been good to mention. I don't think it would change any placements but still.
-Quagsire and Mantine can both have Water Absorb as an ability. If you're using them, make extra sure they have that ability instead of Damp or Swift Swim.
-About the Mt. Battle TM's: they cost 4000 PokeCoupons. A run of Mt. Battle from Area 1 through Area 7 will get you 3800... That's why I basically assume those TM's are off the table. One of the criteria is that we're trying to finish the game at a decent pace
-Misdreavus gets Perish Song and Pain Split. Pretty cool, but still not good enough for B Tier in my opinion.
-Absol isn't slow. lol
-Dealing with Hyper Mode during the first part of the game isn't too annoying if you just never use Shadow Rush. Hyper Mode only activates if you use Shadow Rush. I never knew that!
-Most importantly: Don't let my analysis dissuade you from using a Pokemon you want to use. Part of the fun of revisiting Pokemon Colosseum is using Pokemon you've never used before. Just about every Pokemon has something they can do.... except for like, Yanma probably
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[@Loopysaurus]

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[@emblemwarrior11]

I used Plusle exactly once in Colosseum. I plugged the EXP Share on him as soon as I got him. By the time I got to the Under, I decided to do something funny and pull him out against the Wailord guy. I believe he was around 34. He mauled the Wailords effortlessly, and actually contributed throughout the game as a Thunder spammer. (Because ThunderDance is a great combo.)

[@zate5355]

I know he gets the trade exp boost. I really wanted to use him but my team was built poorly and pretty much not having a 6th really hurt during the Under. I wanna try him out on a Suicune team someday.

[@Canyoutakeitallaway]

I just finished a Colosseum run where I decided to use Plusle, I also used Feraligatr (comes with Rain Dance after purification), and Rain Dance+Thunder was genuinely effective late game. I also got lucky that Plusle had water type Hidden Power to go along with that. It's also a great Protect user whenever you wanna use Earthquake. So yeah, this is just one man's opinion, but Plusle in Colosseum is absolutely 'bout that life

[@nx7249]

Just what I needed! Thank you for this great video!

[@keantully-mclelland1383]

I think slugma deserves abit more love it's actually fairly decent obviously your not calculating items etc which is completely fair but I gave my magcargo the quick claw you get fairly early on and also gave it protect for whenever I was gonna use earthquake or predicting a super effective hit and the quick claw flamethrower came in clutch quite often. Obviously this is just my experience but colosseum gave me a new love for this mon. I'm using it again in a no catch run of soul silver atm

[@Loopysaurus]

that's valid! I would like to try using Slugma again someday. My only memories of using it are from over 15 years ago

[@robertholbrook5873]

Used Slugma recently way too slow got Koed a lot which is a shame since it has a great move set with Flamethrower

[@whippitout911]

great video man, you deserve more views. hope success finds you

[@travisleitzel1523]

Haryama running earthquake, belly drum, protect and holding leftovers is cracked. One shots literally everything. I used it on a team with all levitate and flying types.

[@nicholastricarico2957]

Misdreavus deserves to be at least B tier, and probably low A because it is literally the only Ghost type in the game. I know that you said that you would do all of these Pokemon in a vacuum, but I feel like this is one instance where you can't do that, because you have no other Ghost type options. Having a Pokemon immune to two types comes in incredibly handy.

[@nintendo8127]

Not to mention Pain Split becomes very useful against shadow Pokemon. And it has Confuse Ray. I almost always use one on the team because I can use it to avoid having opposing Shadow Pokémon from killing themselves with Shadow Rush.

[@bishopofeternity48]

It also has levitate.

[@nicholastricarico2957]

@@bishopofeternity48 I did forget to mention that, I don't know why I did. That leaves a lot of doors open to Earthquake strategies later in the game.

[@dundee6402]

Also the AI in this game is terrible and gen 1 style, and most enemy trainers will just use normal attacks on Misdreavus and waste their turns

[@Blade-hf9po]

Espeon and Typlhosion are usually my lead. They're nice Intimidate absorbers. As to the rest, pick a status abuser or two, like Noctowl, and an intimidate pokemon of your own and you're set. Everyone else is padding. There's also quagsire, if you're into spread moves, but then you need protect or again Noctowl.

[@DrGersh01]

Suicune is F- because using it in a playthrough would make it too hard to train for the frontier in Emerald. Suicune from FRLG is useless.

[@thepokemonguy965]

What I did with plusie was grind on duel square in pyrite towm till he got to lv 30, he is not great, but not terrible ethier, you can charge up then hit with his electric tackle to get rid of water types, ETC.

[@av2279]

2 minutes in, just having seen your rankings for Umbreon and Espeon: Tell me you're the person who puts 4 attacking moves on all your pokemon without telling me you put 4 attacking moves on all your pokemon.

[@TheGamedawg]

If I ever try this game I'm using this video to help teambuild.

[@spinodude123]

Lol I thought you put Espeon in A at first. You said it. Espeon is insane as a starter.

[@eddiec9756]

Let's see in 2011 when I first played this game I used Espeon, Umbreon, Flygon, Plusle, Quagsire, and Typhlosion... not the worse team but a challenge for sure at some points.

[@stevenstone307]

this was awesome!

[@yelloh6219]

Replaying through Colosseum atm with some friends who have never played it before and I decided this time that I would use that Plusle and surprisingly enough, once I got it caught up to the rest of my team, it's actually not too bad. Still gotta go through the rest of the game with it, but having Thunder Wave for shadow Pokemon, Helping Hand for support, Spark/Thunder, I believe one of the screen moves later on via TMs, and the fact that it's your only option for an actual fast electric type early on in the game I feel warrants it C tier. Also watched someone attempt a Nuzlocke of Colosseum and their Plusle also put in work which was interesting to watch. I recommend trying him out sometime in a future playthrough, he may put some respect on DUKING's name. I also used a Gligar in my playthrough last year and he didn't too badly once I gave him Earthquake. The surprising bulk and speed worked out better than I thought it would, but I do recall his move pool being limited so maybe I'd bump him up just to D tier. I plan on using that Piloswine for my current run of Colosseum and it'll be interesting to see how that goes. Not a bad list at all though and an interesting watch for sure.

[@chobani-]

Pokémon XG Next Gen*

[@viclyttlemena6966]

Purification of the pc and beating options mt battle they gift you hooh

[@FreshFowkz]

bro you talk slower then the animations in this game. Even at 2x speed you still are slow

[@luckyducky6596]

I am doing a C and lower playthrough. This will be a nightmare...

[@catmanjesus1476]

@@luckyducky6596 who are you using?

[@psychie8625]

You'll be fine with Mantine.

[@squares4u]

How did it go?

[@thephantomist7199]

Did a Colosseum Mono Flying Run last year, and I’ll give my thoughts on my team members. Noctowl: Pretty solid for the first half of the game, though once you get to the later half it sorta loses its luster. Hypnosis and Reflect we’re still really good though. Jumpluff: Once I got in my head that Jumpluff is a status demon instead of an attacker, it was an absolute monster. No joke it outsped and sleep powdered almost all of Evices Pokémon first turn, making the entire damn fight trivial. Loved it. Mantine: It was an absolute nightmare to catch, but after that it soon proved to be one of the best members of the team. The water coverage was great, it got blizzard which really helped in some of the later fights, and was very bulky overall. Probably the most consistent member of the team. Altaria: Pretty solid once again. Dragons plethora of resistances came in pretty handy, and it was my main source of Fire attacks with Fire Blast and Flamethrower. Gligar: Prior to getting earthquake Gligar was pretty much baggage, but once I got earthquake, it easily became one of the best members. Since my entire party was flying type, I could spam earthquake with very little consequences. Destroying the previously dangerous electric types. It was a hurdle to get over, but well worth it. Scarmory: Pretty much replaced Noctowl in the post game. Drill Peck was an amazing stab move, it was really physically bulky making it and Mantine a really good combo, and had a load of resistances thanks to the steel types. It came in late, but it certainly pulled its weight.

[@TheSpaceOpera]

I’m just starting that same challenge!

[@thephantomist7199]

@@TheSpaceOpera Sweet! Lemme hear how it goes!

[@TheSpaceOpera]

@@thephantomist7199 I’m trying to do this without items in battle. Pyrite with only Noctowl and skiploom is pretty rough already, but makes for a nice challenge!

[@thephantomist7199]

@@TheSpaceOpera Yeah lol. Once you get Mantine with BubbleBeam, things should get better. Glad your having fun!

[@wax5403]

I maintain that Mantine is one of the most underrated pokemon of all time

[@logansmith2703]

Umbreon definitely should be A tier. It ain't a damage dealer but the status moves and tankiness are fantastic.

[@heavylobster4339]

Toxic stalling with Umbreon can come in very handy against a wide variety of tough battles. Espeon is better but Umbreon is respectable and comes in handy in some clutch moments.

[@kanadiacoolaid7902]

Plus snatch and taunt. Comes in very handy in final battle (im looking at you, boosts and skill swap..)

[@vktrlndwll95]

The only way I could beat a pokemon Colosseum nuzlocke was thanks to Umbreon.

[@christopherballero866]

Kind of odd how a lot of Pokemon in this game got a lot better in Gen 4 with: evolutions, more moves, better stats, and the physical/special split

[@vulcanraven9701]

Johto Pokemon were definitely underpowered and many needed to evolve. Yanma being a great example

[@briansilva3344]

Umbreon is very good at preventing your opponent from gaining stats, with Snatch. Very Good in a number of hard battles.

[@ahumblepotato9801]

Anything with Taunt can do the same thing, Umbreon included. Attack and Speed are the more common and threatening stats to boost, and burn and paralysis is better for dealing with that anyway. Most SpAtk boosters are Psychics with Calm Mind, which can't do very much damage to Umbreon without their STAB, making Snatch redundant. Defense and SpDef snatches can make Umby more tanky, but it's not really worth it and you're better off just Toxic stalling. It's ok for the main game, but in the postgame, if you don't switch him out for Tyranitar, you're nutty. Espeon on the other hand has an argument for being used over or even alongside Metagross, and I think that comparison alone is enough of a reason to discard him once you get a better tank, because starter purity is basically the only reason most people actually insist on using him.

[@rdchris6556]

Specifically Justy and his double team spamming

[@briansilva3344]

@@rdchris6556 Oh yea

[@av2279]

@@ahumblepotato9801 Um. No. Most things with taunt can't even tank the hits they'll be locking themselves into taking. So no, anything with taunt can't do the same thing. Plus, snatch takes stat boosts for yourself while taunt just blocks the moves. They are completely different things.

[@DarthSnake058]

I use Umbreon to slowly defeat opponents with confuse ray and toxic, capture shadow Pokémon with paralysis secret power and attack with 100% accuracy with faint attack

[@christopherballero866]

Unfortunately tanky Pokemon are hard to use in doubles as the battles tend to have a lot of hard fast hitters. It's difficult to take hits when potentially 2 Pokemon are using neutral or super-effective moves on you before your Pokemon can attack. U can use tanky Pokemon but they need to cover each other really well and have great strategy. Colosseum could do well as a complete remake. Meganium is my preferred choice for the starters in this game though justifying Feraligatir and Typhlosion over Suicune and Entei in Gen 3 is really difficult

[@dobadobadooo]

My tier-list: *S-tier:* _Espeon, Croconaw, Entei, Suicune,_ and _Raikou_ *A-tier:* _Umbreon, Quilava,_ and _Flaaffy_ *B-tier:* _Makuhita, Bayleef, Quagsire, Meditite, Vibrava,_ and _Heracross_ *C-tier:* _Skiploom, Misdreavus, Mantine, Swablu, Hitmontop, Forretress, Metagross,_ and _Tyranitar_ *D-tier:* _Noctowl, Furret, Remoraid, Sudowoodo, Plusle, Gligar, Stantler, Granbull, Skarmory_ and _Houndoom_ *E-tier:* _Slugma, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, Sneasel, Piloswine, Ariados, Miltank, Absol,_ and _Ursaring_ *F-tier:* _Yanma, Ledian, Aipom, Murkrow, Sunflora, Delibird, Tropius, Smeargle, Shuckle, Togetic,_ and _Ho-oh_ Obviously not a lot of good options to choose from here, especially if you're like me and avoid using Legendaries. That's kinda the charm of Pokémon Colosseum though, making due with what little you have. For the record, my team consisted of Espeon, Umbreon, Feraligatr, Ampharos, Flygon, and Heracross.

[@bkebradley]

Surprised to see Bayleef over Croconaw, but your reasoning for it is solid, Feraligatr does get let down by not having access to as many TMs and the Surf nerf compared to the mainline games.

[@PoipoleBoi]

Playing the game for the first time, Hitmontop is so good. Intimidate with paired with partners that can learn screens like espeon and bayleef makes your team last super long. Not to mention it's pretty fun using focus energy + triple kick

[@Jekunda]

I literally just starting the video at like 1:38 as im writing this but damn, after 20 hours now i feel like restarting. I gravely underestimated A LOT of these pokemon and their roles in battle, being soooo used to single battles and all. But just off the bat, as much as i love umbreon, i almost hate it. It's just not for me when Jumpluff literally exists. (Status mon machine) Thank you for this tier list. Restarting right now, hope this run works out better!

[@bw1170]

Also it may seem like a hassle to level up Plusle but its really not. It levels up very fast due to trade boost. Also it's a fast encore user that also learns helping hand and stab thunder. Its Sp Def is serviceable so it's only weakness is low defense. Fairly good although not as useful for Evice.

[@Canyoutakeitallaway]

Plusle can really mess up Ein too. Thunder/HP Water/Helping Hand/Protect is what I just got through the game with

[@Soulsilvergirl101]

I accidentally used Bayleef in my OG run as a kid and istg that thing was a war machine 😩 I was and am still a Cyndaquil lover but was extremely surprised. Herbie proved herself.

[@somethingsona5855]

I CALLED MY CHIKORITA HERBIE TOO

[@zate5355]

Mantine goes crazy in bosses. Being able to come in on water and ground moves is so good, and she baits electric moves for your ground types to absorb. Ein for example gets abused by it with how his Starmie and Lanturn have Water Thunder coverage.

[@NixienireRVS]

I had to reset this game because the memory card was full. First run, first half: Umbreon, Espeon, Quilava->Typhlosion, Noctowl, Misdreavus, Plusle. First run, second half: Umbreon, Espeon Typhlosion, Gligar, Hitmontop, Plusle. My second run was pretty much the same but swap the starter with Croconaw->Feraligatr. Umbreon and Plusle stole majority of the exp, so I was over leveled with them by 2 compared to the opponents.

[@gravity1537]

How dare you do my boy Ocean/Eyelashes/BarrelRoll/HappyMeal like that

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

There are 53 Pokemon in Pokemon Colosseum, 48 of which are snaggable. Most of these Pokemon kind of suck. This is because almost all of the available Pokemon are from Johto, a region infamous for having really weak, fully evolved Pokemon, hence why so many of them got evolutions in Gen 4. Even the decent ones aren't actually good because many of them still had terrible movesets in Gen 3. So many of these available Pokemon need TMs to be effective, and TMs were still single-use in Gen 3. To give you an idea of how useless most of these Pokemon are, Smogon has four tiers: High tier, Mid tier, Low tier, and Bottom tier. Of the 53 available Pokemon, 11 are in High tier, 11 are in Mid tier, 21 are in Low tier, and 10 are in Bottom tier. High tier Pokemon (11): Croconaw, Entei, Espeon, Flaafy, Makuhita, Meditite, Quilava, Raikou, Suicune, Umbreon, and Vibrava Mid tier Pokemon (11): Furret, Heracross, Hitmontop, Mantine, Misdreavus, Noctowl, Quagsire, Remoraid, Skiploom, Stantler, and Swablu Low tier Pokemon (21): Absol, Ariados, Bayleef, Dunsparce, Forretress, Gligar, Granbull, Houndoom, Metagross, Miltank, Murkrow, Piloswine, Qwilfish, Scizor, Skarmory, Slugma, Sneasel, Sudowoodo, Sunflora, Tropius, and Tyranitar Bottom tier Pokemon (10): Aipom, Delibird, Ho-Oh, Ledian, Plusle, Shuckle, Smeargle, Togetic, Ursaring, and Yanma This means 31 of the 53 available Pokemon are not recommended to be used in a playthrough of Pokemon Colosseum. Your Pokemon options are limited, most of those Pokemon are bad, and they're difficult to catch.

[@dundee6402]

Why would Metagross and Tyranitar be low tier???

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

@@dundee6402 According to Smogon, the reason Metagross and Tyranitar are in low tier is because you obtain them too late into the game to be useful.

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

@@dundee6402 The tiers for Colosseum are based on availability, stats, movepool, power, type, and matchups. Each category is as follows. Availability: How early can you get the Pokemon, and how easy is it to get? Stats: Does it have a usable stat distribution? Movepool: Does it have a good movepool that needs little TM support? Power: Is it strong enough to sweep through enemies without taking too much damage in return? Type: Does it have useful same type attack bonuses and resistances? Matchups: How well does it fare in boss battles?

[@samwywrot8149]

I typically use Stantler as a fast-ish screen setter that has intimidate and STAB take down and leave the fourth move up to whatever my team needs. Objectively not the greatest but I feel like you never really get an opportunity to actually use a Stantler outside of the this game so I usually jump at the chance. If hypnosis didn't have dogshit accuracy I'd put it in A-tier.

[@Canyoutakeitallaway]

Stantler is a beast compared to the rest of the available mons in this game. Take Down+Hypnosis+plenty of other good TMs (Screens, Thunder, Hyper Beam etc) along with Intimidate makes it the best Normal type in the game for me

[@bw1170]

jumpluff in the final battle was definitely mvp for me. it just outspeeds everything even the salamence even when 10 levels lower than everything. the AI never attacks it for some reason unless it has an ice move, so it just shuts down everything by using sleep power every turn.

[@emblemwarrior11]

Side note about Noctowl. He is stupidly tanky. He's about on par with Umbreon in that regard. If you leave Steel Wing and Hypnosis on him, he becomes a great Shadow catcher by the time you hit the Under.

[@volvagia2131]

Entei is one of the best abusers of Hyper Mode + Shadow Rush in the game. I'm surprised you didn't mention it. Shadow Rush almost always crits when in Hyper Mode, and 90 power is stronger than anything else Entei learns barring max happiness Return. It does so much damage, it might be worth keeping Entei as a Shadow Pokémon throughout the whole game just to use Shadow Rush.

[@somethingsona5855]

never use makuhita, takes 2 hits and dies without being able to do enough damage its a shame because its pretty cool looking

[@rjante2236]

Agreed. Cross Chop and Guts are nice but it is useless

[@catmanjesus1476]

Also you have to get to 80 at mount battle to afford the ice beam tm, Altaria with dragon breath(claw at deep colloseum), ice bean, fly(will learn sky attack), sing

[@xoynialedmc]

Or keep repeating

[@williamlaney7208]

Croc is s tier he makes this game easy af

[@NymphieJP]

Dogging Umbreon when it gets secret power which can cause para on shadows in a pinch! He's still at B but it's important to remember that! :p

[@chobani-]

Ever thought about a Pokémon XG tier list? I think that would be pretty neat

[@Loopysaurus]

I think that would be fun! I've only played it once though. I'm interested in playing it again (maybe this year?) so maybe after that

[@Holthyr]

You need at least 1 tank just to take hits while trying to catch shadow pokemon...

[@creativityfails1]

I dont remember my first playthrough of the game (probably some plusle shenanigans tbh) but I do remember the next two playthroughs I'd lean on espeon and w/e other early game mons but switch instantly to gligar and vibrava when I got them and just spam earthquake. I could have sworn you could get earthquake on both at the same time but I'm not sure if either learned it leveling up and there might have only been one earthquake tm you could get. Either way despite being both terrible vs ice type attacks I dont recall them being much of an obstacle and the early game always seemed much harder than the end game even though I'd switch to "lower tier" mons.

[@xoynialedmc]

Bayleef and croconaw are so good in this game. Stop whining people.

[@catmanjesus1476]

I hope to god you've used Swablu! Edit: swablu is s

[@lampshades120]

I thought you could get ice beam. I remember teaching it to dunsparce lol

[@lampshades120]

oh right Mt. Battle xD I always grinded there anyway so I always got ice beam pretty early in the game

[@stephaniemoore2519]

Umbreon is not only a tank but can learn Confuse Ray, Taunt, and Torment which can mess with opponents in doubles. Also it can tank an Earthquake. I always use Umbreon. My other favorite is Quagsire if you can get the ability Water Absorb.

[@DarthSnake058]

In my last Playthru, my Umbreon Knew faint attack, Secret power, toxic and confuse ray. He was a troll with a bold nature

[@pikrfish8263]

Waited the entire video for you to slate Tropius and its bananas :(

[@Trans4Hire]

Kind of tempted to do a playthrough using Yanma, Ledian, Aipom, Plusle, Ariados and Sneasel, those are what I think are the worst pokemon that you can obtain before realgam tower

[@Canyoutakeitallaway]

Plusle and Sneasel you can get by with, especially once Plusle gets Thunder. Yanma and Ledian are borderline useless. Aipom probably is too but I've never tried it in this game, although I *can* tell you that Dunsparce and Gligar are absolute trash

[@irvinsanta]

Boring video took too long to get started!

[@memorablehandle]

Espeon Entei and Metagross were the only Pokemon I used. Espeon was in the 80s when I reached Realgam cause it was always first in the party. Best starter ever

[@catmanjesus1476]

Do a C down playthroug Furret, Swablu, misgevous, remoraid,

[@catmanjesus1476]

Please do a low teir run on KZbin C and below

[@Fresh_Goo]

Espeon is always S-tiereon

[@rychu7812]

I always loved Umbreon and anyone who could use paralysis (normally Ampharos.) First turn you single out a Mon with Thunder Wave and Confuse Ray. Then the following turn have Umbreon bite. Now you get to watch a poor crippled opponent try and pass a 25% Para check, a 50% confusion check, and a 30% Flinch check. You just nuke the other ones that get sent out. Beat Under Colosseum like 15 levels down.

[@psychie8625]

I once did a Colosseum playthrough with permadeath. It took me a month and a half due to constant resets (All of which were either from OCD or being a sore loser regarding one Pokémon), but Mantine was pretty great in the successful attempt. Like, great enough where it's now my favorite Water Type from Gen 2. Supersonic felt a lot more accurate than just 55, and the thing was a demon in the Rain, even with Water Absorb. I would've probably put it in B or B-.

[@noodlefish8793]

I like hyper mode

[@CartersRemasters]

"You Can Just Use Healing Items" What a stupid point

[@jkarma3356]

this game is my personal favorite pokemon game and it is long overdue for a remake.

[@pengoschwortz4734]

OH MY GOD YEEEES

[@M3rtyville]

I think you mixed up Mega Ampharos' speed with Ampharos speed.

[@orangecountyjackson7898]

that furret and delibird follow me comment had me dyin'

[@beauknergrage3341]

Awesome stuff!

[@catmanjesus1476]

YES IM SO HYPED

[@MeanMisterTaxman]

very chill to hear you talk. you have a very similar vibe to the fire emblem youtuber mekkah, which I found amusing. love colosseum and XD.

[@francisduarte8120]

Espeon, a glass cannon= S tier. Suicune an actual tank cannon with aurora beam= A

[@viporial2358]

My dude unironically put umbreon higher than both heracross and tyranitar and even metagross. you sure you played the same game as everyone else my man?

[@strikerstratos]

All three of those Pokemon are available during late game, with Tyranitar and Metagross literally available just before the post game. Umbreon is used from the very beginning.

[@Jess-Cruz]

Absol n houndoom in e regardless if late game are op post game I disagree with the list also vibreva becomes flygon hes a tier easy