Pokémon Legends: Arceus - Palkia & Dialga Origin Form Battle Music (HQ)

[@kag2576]

I like to imagine the composer started out with an epic orchestral version but then was like: nah, I feel like a eurobeat, and thus we got this masterpiece

[@kag2576]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 Oh hi, its u again. I can't tell if ur being a troll or genuinely just have a strong dislike for a lot of things for some reason. If the former, idk y ur wasting ur time trying to knock my opinions . If the latter I'm sorry u can''t enjoy things the same way I can I hope u can find something more to ur taste.

[@isaacperry8266]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 Stop blindlessly posting hate comments about this game its the best pokèmon game out there and game in 2022 so far

[@stagbeats1287]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 no bitches?

[@aceentertainment8082]

@@stagbeats1287 I doubt any bitches would want to be around him

[@thischannelwasamistake9403]

@@aceentertainment8082 he just radiates an aura, so women within 1 kilometer of his presence immediately get out of the area.

[@Espeon804]

Me: "Hey this isn't so bad-" Palkia: *Teleports in front of me.* Me: *Screem*

[@draconicfeline6177]

NOTHING PERSONAL KID - I too screamed

[@chaoscasserole5990]

would be worse if they teleported directly behind you I would scream too if that happened

[@bee5607]

I also screamed

[@ignisspiritustenebris7137]

He only did that ONCE to me, as if to say "i could kill you, you know" And yes i screamed

[@bcgazero6472]

Me:meeh,avalugg was harde-OH SHIT

[@loganc.2824]

The fact that these forms are meant to be imitating Arceus, and their theme incorporates the very same drum used in Arceus’ theme is awesome. I love it so much.

[@tomate6433]

holy shit that's a cool detail

[@mcshazer3115]

Nice detail, it is the exact drum used in the arceus theme😮

[@JubbJubb_]

Timpani is a based instrument.

[@ZaneYoung-xy1dk]

They're taller than arceu s lol

[@E-102GammaMKII]

​@@ZaneYoung-xy1dkDialga and Palkia have always been taller than Arceus, even in their standard form. In fact, there are 55 Pokémon (counting alternate forms as individuals) that are taller.

[@sleebo52]

fighting an enraged dialga to save the world while being someone who just got thrown into said world about a week ago with barely any memory of who I was before really reminded me of another game in this franchise...

[@raptorguy6464]

hello brother

[@TheKingFlurry]

I absolutely felt the same: "Here we go you and me again, Crazy Holy Origin Dialga!"

[@OrobaSpyro]

It gave me deja vu in the best possible way, right down to me having a (Hisuian) Typhlosion and Luxray in my party...

[@DemonWolf924]

Heres hoping for an Explorers of Sky Switch version lol

[@UltimatePhantasm]

PMD Explorers squad where you at

[@nintendex9288]

Palkia: I took my arms off to be more like you. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW DAD?! Dialga: *(intense choking noises)* Arceus: Wow I have failed as a father. Giratina in distortion world: No shit.

[@rogue1248]

Giratina: least I can use my claw wings as hands and NOT have a giant pill stuck in my throat.

[@MariOmor1]

Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf: I missed the part where that’s my problem

[@scottvgamer1163]

Arceus: Open up, it’s time for the pill. Dialga: Oh barnacles, I hate the pill!

[@Copium-Detector]

@@scottvgamer1163 lol

[@agoodname7980]

@@scottvgamer1163 *intense choking intensifies-*

[@watermel]

The insane thing about this song is that unlike the other soundtracks of the game which sound archaic/traditional and has a Japanese style (based on Hisui), this track is very modern and neoteric, and sounds western (eurobeat), portraying the transcending of time/space in this battle with Palkia/Dialga

[@jockson7574]

We get a sense of Deja vu when we’re battling em. It’s killing my love and I always gotta hit the gas gas gas when I fight em. I run as if I’m running in the 90s.

[@cowfin06]

During the end of the game it felt really creepy how there was electronic music with the red sky and stuff, like that doesn't belong here 😨

[@BaconEater666]

This also kind of happens with giratina, where they just say screw it and just make a banger without using instruments of the time

[@manu_kb24]

@@cowfin06 it doesn't belong maybe because palkia get it there

@@manu_kb24 Or Dialga. Or both.

[@bensimort30o7]

The way they took their battle theme and made such a banger with THAT is just incredible

[@Warrior_of_Symbolica]

They really listened to the original theme and said "Okay but what if it slapped even harder" and boy does it slap

[@SuperSonic3557]

@@Warrior_of_Symbolica 😂😂

[@cannabishornliu6119]

First time listening to eurobeat? ;-)

[@IDK-pz6lw]

Yes

[@blastchaos4286]

I'm glad they did. I always thought the original theme was pretty weak. On the other hand, this one is a certified banger.

[@-Miasimon]

People can say what they want, but this is the first game in a *long* time that made the *Legendaries* feel *legendary.*

[@ieatcheese8744]

Facts

[@phantomtearsca]

Ultra Necrozma?

[@towelclipz]

@@phantomtearsca US/UM came out in 2017, about 5 years ago, so it has been a little while

[@luisfillipebeserra2108]

@@phantomtearsca black kyurem is literally one of the weakest legendary bosses i've ever seen

[@Mwright4444]

@@luisfillipebeserra2108 Kyurem is, his entire build up was done incredibly well, Kyurem just is a terrible legendary. Reshiram and Zekrom were done well still though.

[@TheKnightswhoplaywii]

I honestly didn't get a single "Now's your chance to throw a Pokemon out to battle!" during my Origin Fight with Palkia and to be honest I felt like it was a better challenge of my skills just keeping up with all the Draco Meteors and shockwaves. I love the "Lord Battle" system and hope if they continue to make "Legends"-like games they'll have something similar with this near bullet-hell dodging.

[@skotiaH2O]

From what i understand, you never get the chance to battle them traditionally.

[@AcidArrestB]

@@skotiaH2O you do, after they charge and you stop it

[@luxrayblast]

Me neither. Palkia never gave me an opening. In fact, I think Legendary Balm battles seem to be more 3D Bullet heck than Undertale's 2D bullet heck.

[@raptorcharly8055]

I didn't either, it was a really fitting thing but MAN it was hard.

[@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies]

You're lucky, because if you battle them, they obliterate you.

[@Myshora]

The talent to manage to turn this into an Eurobeat song and not a generic one is universe brain

[@cristiano7541]

What is Eurobeat?

[@MariOmor1]

A true Gen 8 theme

[@MMR_LM]

I'm not 100% keen on the change to Eurobeat but big respect for keeping the 5/4 section

[@richard35791]

@Kieran Ray not a fan of synth, but appreciate the rhytm, though rock approach is my favorite

[@jellsies]

Eurobeat is very popular in Japan, so like...

[@asmodeuscruz2634]

They do look silly, but these designs are also technically terrifying. Imagine a creature you've never seen before, that somewhat resembles god. Imitating god. That's absolutely terrifying, especially given that Arceus has such an intimidatingly beastly form already. Thinking about their designs in context to the Pokemon universe, they are horrifying. So I actually love them a lot!

[@reuniq4256]

finally someone

[@lukebytes5366]

Given how you see a silhouette of said God at the beginning of the game, I can kinda see how the player would be fooled assuming they didn't know arceus was a thing. And if that's what they were going for, absolute genius.

[@virtualcolt]

The most disturbing part is that Palkia is even okay with being armless in his original form just because he resembles Arceus. Wich is kinda entering the theme of sacrificing something for god, and having wings even goes as far to represent how he needs wings to fly unlike his father wich is a sing of imperfection. In Dialga's case when he attacks using Roar of Time, 18 Diamonds surround him resembling Arceus' plates wich is also really fricking awesome.

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

I love them a lot too

[@lagartopunkarra]

We went from "eww these designs suck" to "ok, those designs aren't pretty, but they're absolutely perfect"

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

I love how unusual these designs are. They've really grown on me since they were released.

[@GravityTheGhost]

Biblically accurate Dialga and Palkia

[@adityagogoi9133]

Fr-

[@chaddangersexhaver98]

Truuuuueeeee!

[@bjkaye9918]

Oh that is so true.

[@draconicfeline6177]

How could you say something so controversial yet so true

[@mikegilson6656]

100% true

[@emerald4386]

I love how most of the ost is meant to sound like traditional Japanese instruments but when you get here it’s just … suddenly Eurobeat

[@aceentertainment8082]

I think it makes sense, since you’re fighting a god of time and space respectively. For the Dialga fight, he’s a time god, so he doesn’t have to follow conventional rules since he can be anywhere in time. Palkia is a bit of a stretch, but maybe it has something to do with a multiverse, and some universes, or worlds, could be more advanced than others.

[@MfwPrivate]

@@aceentertainment8082 or maybe it's the fact that since Palkia's Everywhere in space, this theme is a mixture of all the different type of tunes he encountered. Something that the ancients wouldn't understand

[@aceentertainment8082]

@@MfwPrivate Yeah, that makes sense.

[@grundgutigertv6170]

Dialga and Palkia are genderless, not male. Jeez. Get your pronouns right, people. Same for almighty sinnoh.

[@MariOmor1]

And that Giratina's theme is just heavy metal

[@radiant5427]

Their origin designs are genius, they're the first 2 beings ever created by Arceus, manifestations of time and space respectively. So of course they're gonna look a bit unusual and unpleasant. Since these are their original forms and they look so similar to arceus, it implies how they're kind of 'fractions' of Arceus' full power, one fixated on time, one on space and then the third on antimatter.

[@thewingsoffried-om]

Apparently, Giratina's origin form is a sort of rebellion against Arceus. I think it was said in game, but I don't quite remember.

[@samanthaclaremejia7975]

@@thewingsoffried-om is it cuz he has no legs

[@wonderfulrose477]

Honestly this kind of makes me wish the lake trio got new forms as well. They’re also part of the original Pokémon created by Arceus. At least they got a strong unique move.

[@nuredingeziqi679]

@@wonderfulrose477 Consider that we have never seen their actual forms, just what is basically their astral projection. We might very well get one, eventually

[@YourMid740]

Giratina being antimatter is literally impossible since he would destroy everything by just existing after all Matter + Antimatter = Destruction to both. Also it says in Platinum after Giratina takes Cyrus that “Space and time are being warped” Dialga and Palkia didn’t follow us into the Distortion World and Antimatter doesn’t warp space and time but gravity can. It’s better you watch Lockstin’s video on Giratina being misunderstood to understand better.

[@mcmorky9704]

Legends is actually the only modern game that recaptured the magic for me, people always tell me I'm chasing nostalgia but that wasn't it. The sense of exploration and wonder in the first few days where everyone was playing blind is what I was looking for.

[@vla1ne]

This game took the pokemon formula and actually let the gameplay do the talking for once. On top of that, they stopped holding your hand and let the chips fall where they may, with threats like level 40-60 alphas -and that fucking alpha zubat- in the early zones for example. This was the first pokemon game in a LONG time (maybe ever in the case of the mainline series) that was truly ready to run your fade from start to finish. Basically pokemon for the people who know pokemon. And I love it.

[@Lucifronz]

It definitely accomplishes that. I hope it becomes a solid side series to the main one.

[@gunsandroses896]

@@vla1ne yeah! And the only complaints I've seen that are valid is the tutorial being long, but that's mostly because there are new mechanics that need to be explained.

[@vla1ne]

@@gunsandroses896 tutorial was about 2 hours of dialogue if I recall, i'm 70+ hours in, so a 2 hour tutorial seems about right to me.

[@Serious5GamingS5G]

It was the first Pokemon game for me that isn't just "oh no you ran into a trainer/Pokemon, send out your Pokemon"

[@Nekiplex]

Honestly i went into this game semi-blind. Was not expecting this to happen and was definitely not expecting the best legendary theme would come from it

[@lukadark9761]

@Merciless Freak and? It goes hard and fits for a fight against your life versus a literal god. You can not like it, but no need to act like people have bad taste and only like the Eurobeat

[@baconboi4482]

@Merciless Freak the only theme that even compared to how good this one is, is x and y theme

[@peco595]

@@baconboi4482 Ultra Necrozma though

[@mmmario8004]

Same

[@captainblue5096]

@Merciless Freak Fun fact. People have opinions. Just because you like/dislike something doesn’t mean others should.

[@_Celestial]

Shout out to my Vaporeon for tanking every one of Palkia's hits and having a super effective move

[@billybillerey3933]

Shout out to Vaporeon for the copypasta

[@splungerino]

@Some guy who hates cancel culture 😰😰

[@blackwingtfd]

@@splungerino *don't answer that* 😳😰

[@aqua1313]

Wtf is this reply section

[@blackwingtfd]

@@aqua1313 we will not apologize for art. :)

[@066kshitizvsingh4]

idk why I'm actually kinda happy that origin Dialga and Palkia are weird, off-key designs. They're the first 2 beings of creation, rulers of time and space, they should have an Eldritch- like feeling to them, like they aren't just normal cool looking Pokémon.

[@jellycore1316]

I know what you mean! ^^ I honestly really like their designs, too, and it really feels like they make sense, too! Like, they fit what they're meant to be, too, in my opinion, agreed!

[@owenbridgers]

I like how Palkia keeps the Shoulder things but he doesn’t have arms

[@s665677]

Didn't Volo call giratina a eldritch being

[@cammy649]

Still really wanted primal dialga and similar primal palkia though.

[@cheznooney]

Same!

[@sam4gaming135]

Honestly respect for not spoiling the designs in the thumbnail

[@PhanTum926]

And then the mini-player exists... Thanks KZbin for ruining it for me. 👍

[@sb6196]

I don't think it will last he did the same thing for swsh but changed it later.

[@OfficialCQProductions]

And then auto-play exists… thanks YT!

[@breadburner7276]

yeah my favorate pokemon blue ! and pink !

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

@@sb6196 He typically waits about a month or so

[@kingtero979]

Kyogre and Groudon: Get Primal Forms Dialga and Palkia: Get Origin Forms Zekrom, Reshiram and Kyurem: "You know the rules and so do I"

[@userofsomething]

MORBIUS

[@segaking5846]

@@userofsomething it’s morbin time

[@justyourfriendlyneighborho903]

could be a new fusion or the OG dragon but I doubt they would get origin forms as they already have a gimmick

[@GlennQuagsire]

Primal diaphanous has left the chat crying

[@TopHat-wd2yv]

Reshiram and zekrom fuse into a ungodly abomination of self hatred with the powers of Chernobyl

[@mctankies]

This might be one of the coolest legendary themes I've heard.

[@a_random_lizard]

Eternatus's theme phase 3? Ultra Necrozma's theme? Platinum Giratina theme? Edit: my God, I'm just giving my opinion, and everyone start bitching me out

[@bling4965]

@@a_random_lizard keywords: "I've heard"

[@SkyTom64]

@@a_random_lizard “one of”

[@ZapNstuff]

@@a_random_lizard when you can’t let someone have an opinion:

[@blastchaos4286]

@@a_random_lizard This one is better than all of them bro. If you had said Giratina's theme in this game, I may have given you a fair chance, but none of those others top this theme imo. Galarian Birds theme is up there though, for me.

[@Leyahsimms]

I'll be honest when I saw these designs of Dialga and Palkia I did thought they look weird a bit but then I said to myself "Are they trying to imitate Arceus?" And I guess I was right because they actually were.

[@Oswen120]

When I first saw the designs, I was absolutely just stunned... Not my favorite, but I see the sense that they are imitating Arceus

[@RFEZR]

Ok but you know Arceus didn't deepthroat whatever that thing Dialga has.

[@Oswen120]

@@RFEZR Could be worse

[@virtualcolt]

I think these desings are pretty awesome because they represent the whole, how a god wants us to see it because what it trully is. So by having those stunningly different and weird forms it makes a lot of sense.

[@Touhou101]

I'd say its more that Arceus made them in it's image since its Palkia/Dialga's "Origin Form". Their usual form would be considered the "Altered Form".

[@krlhoutracontakkkk8569]

Giratina and Arceus theme: 💀☠️🪦⚰️ Palkia and Dialga theme: 💃🕺🎺🎸

[@caxi-lax6299]

Sjjsjs, true

[@Whatthesimga123]

This shi true doe

[@class7876]

Yeah I know pretty cool

[@matheusbatista5719]

GIRATINA CALVO AKAKAKAKAAKAKAOA

[@awhackybro5004]

Real true man

[@Lucario7280]

I like the theory that the Origin forms are them attempting to replicate Arceus, in return hindering their signature moves, Dialga can't use Roar of Time to its full potential because its throat is obstructed, and Palkia can't use Spacial Rend to its full potential because its claws are gone.

[@omegazer0800]

It's not a theory! It's stated in game that they tried to imitate Arceus

[@naghanarasimha9106]

Wow that's amazing!

[@rogue1248]

No, not really. Palkia's arms became its new additional legs that's why it can't use spacial rend, as for Dialga, it's diamond it stuck too much on its neck. Though each of the respective members who have these forms lose something either way like Giratina losing its legs and gaining claw like wings as opposed to just regular shadow wings.

[@FlyingPotatoChickens]

@@rogue1248 That’s a debunked theory, they can still use their signature moves in these forms. they even have special animations for them (at least Palkia does, it has its arch glow when it uses it)

[@Xman34washere]

Palkia: well that didn't go so well, right di- Dialga: *violent choking noises* Palkia: OH GOD IM SORRY I HAVE NO HANDS-

[@lexo632]

The way that this theme just sounds sort of "unreal" actually really works well for these pokemon. They're beyond the boundaries of reality, so it's most likely impossible to comprehend them in full.

[@DotSnax]

Impossible to comprehend them in full, but still able to throw bags of dust to their face lol

[@matthewwilliams8267]

@@DotSnax more like throwing bags of dust to their pinkie toenail. Yeah, this is just an Aspect of them.

[@spidey5558]

@@DotSnax Yeah, I don't think that's explained ingame

[@MariOmor1]

It doesn't really sound unreal, it's just the original theme but sped up

[@da45r]

​@@MariOmor1 it sounds completely different tf u on about 😂

[@q-miiproductions878]

“God made man in his own image.” That’s the vibe I get from these new forms. If they’re meant to be “origin” forms, then it implies that Arceus used itself as a model to create Palkia and Dialga. Hence why they look similar. It’s not just Palkia and Dialga imitating their creator, *they are returning to Arceus’ forms of self-expression.*

[@dragonbournee5270]

THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY IT'S CALLED AN "ORIGIN FORM" HOLY CRAP

[@ChaoticTeen16]

I always see it in a similar way. These are the forms they took in the beginning of their existence, back when they had more of the power Arceus bestowed upon them. They bore an appearance similar to that of their creator so that they could have the power to CREATE Time & Space, and when that power was no longer needed, they altered their forms to be better suited to governing and maintaining their respective creations. Hence Origin & Altered Form.

[@qualityshitposts790]

Well YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT THEM BEING MADE FROM A MODEL

[@omegazer0800]

For everyone that is saying that these forms look weird (you're not wrong), they're meant to look like that. Origin Palkia's Dex entry states that this form is Palkia's strategy in gaining Arceus power and status, so, you can clearly see that Dialga and Palkia kinda achieved that goal, but only got a slightly resemblance to Arceus but they deformed in the process

[@LuisGarcia-pf3wt]

Like father like sons

[@moontah8849]

Yea it’s kinda like the gen 8 fossils, everyone hated them at first but then realised why they looked like that

[@sinisterxburn]

@@moontah8849 understanding why they look bad doesn't stop them from looking bad. Surely there was a better way to pull these things off. In the end it's not that big a deal. Rest of the Pokémon look good

[@Jas0n2571]

@@sinisterxburn agreed, people are on hard amounts of copium trying to convince themselves and others that these two designs are good. Edit: my comment seems to have triggered a lot of people lol (Some people in this thread are ironically starting to "fear for humanity" over an internet comment rather than actual real issues, so tread carefully below haha) Look, I don't like these designs and that's just my opinion, not a fact. My comment was targeted at people who gave weak justifications as to why they think these designs are good, which were objectively wrong. Saying stuff like "these are failed Arceus imitations so they look deformed" when the Pokedex itself says this is supposed to be their "true form". If you like these designs, good for you! I'm happy for you! But don't give me objectively wrong arguments, that's all I ask. To that end, I absolutely do appreciate some people that have given good points as to why they like these designs.

[@SpeedyR11]

Unfortunately, yes that's right

[@Slither.Wing.]

Dialga:That joke was so funny I’m practically *choking* Palkia:You know what Dialga,sometimes i really don’t know how i can *handle* you

[@eeveelutionmetaleon1377]

Take my like and leave.

[@wikiuser92]

Ba-ton-Pass!

[@GamingRedBirb]

SHUTTUP AND TAKE MY LIKE

[@MfwPrivate]

Origin Giratina: yeah I can't really *stand* your jokes sometimes, they aren't tenta- *cool* at all.

[@dbxblitz5634]

I didn’t get the palkia one at first lol

[@schaffs2]

I get why people think these designs are bad, but I think they are great. They look otherworldly like Ultra Beasts, and the best thing about them is this song for their battle. It’s a completely different genre of music, and is a nice contrast to the old instruments in the other songs in the game

[@meremsolomon4744]

Glad that I found someone who also thinks this forms are otherwordly just like the Ultra Beasts.

[@AzuI010]

Meh, they look silly with just bodies and no arms. Not intimidating or threatening in the slightest.

[@Warriorcat_Youtube]

​@@AzuI010this is how I feel particularly about Palkia's origin. I personally like Dialga's way more

[@doublebattle8990]

​@0rangebloom he has no arms so that he cant use spacial rend, this is why dialga has something in his throat, so he cant use roar of time.

[@AaronAkioTheBraixen]

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE FIRST POKÉMON MUSIC THAT HAS EUROBEAT AND I’M LOVING IT

[@MariOmor1]

Gen 8's gym theme also had eurobeat

[@XxMuncherxX]

This is not eurobeat lol. Just because a part sounds different than the rest of the song doesn't make it eurobeat.

[@slippy495]

@@MariOmor1 techno isn't eurobeat

[@f.fadairo4249]

What’s eurobeat?

[@DarthMolgy]

@@f.fadairo4249 look up basically any Initial D song

[@Falkro]

Best theme in the entire game !

[@meremsolomon4744]

This, and the theme of their 'evil' fellow members of Creation Trio are the best when it comes to bringing the hype.

[@SecretaryGeneralGut]

Ah yes my favorite theme, the theme of Centaur Palkia and dialga choked on sandwich

[@jvbc29]

giratinas theme is right there…

[@Logan0819]

Id have to argue volos theme is better.

[@cleidosvaldoplankton]

It's a shame I can't say that about the battle

[@kitgodsey]

The music in this game did a better job of making me nostalgic for gen 4 than the remakes. Its amazing how something that is definitely a fresh song can hit those feelings better than a remade version

[@violetsparkles5453]

Because the remakes were lazily made trash. Embarrassing. I’m not even a huge gen 4 fan and I feel so ashamed of the remakes.

[@kitgodsey]

@@violetsparkles5453 absolutely agree. I know people don't like ORAS compared to the originals but I'm happy that's the gen my favorite game was remade for. This was.... Sinnoh fans didn't deserve this

[@violetsparkles5453]

@@kitgodsey I only am salty at the fact that there’s no battle frontier even tho they teased it.

[@da45r]

At least it makes sense in the lore ig

[@stronknob991]

​@@violetsparkles5453not really comment from a year ago, they were remakes of pearl and diamond not platnum, so it still had dps flaws and with Nauseating chibi ass models it makes sense why people don't like bdsp

[@sparklingemolga5169]

Huge respect for not spoilering the new designs! Unlike others...

[@CPGreeno357]

lmaooo right??

[@Dipped1234]

He changed the thumbnail....

[@definetelynotnight7725]

@@Dipped1234 yeah, it's been 4 weeks since release, most people have already seen their designs

[@snad9415]

prosafiagaming moment

[@LucarioShirona]

Really liking Dialga and Palkia's New Forms, never considered that their Origin Forms would bare traits similar to Arceus but makes a lot of sense!

[@williamq6435]

It could also be a callback to the statues in DPP

[@SpeedyR11]

OK, that good but isn't the big deal

[@rogue1248]

Meanwhile Giratina is a serpent.

[@meremsolomon4744]

@@rogue1248 The form of the Devil itself, upon persuading Adam & Eve in order to consume the forbidden fruit. If Origin Forme of Dialga & Palkia is the embodiment of their ways to praise Arceus. Then the serpentine shape of Origin Forme Giratina is the embodiment of Giratina's way to oppose Arceus. This is just my fun way of thinking about the Origin Formes of the Creation Trio.

[@cybersoul2809]

@@meremsolomon4744 Man, people really believe in that "Giratina is the Devil" theory, huh? Giratina is based on a centipede called Ōmukade

[@Gemnist98]

1:34 I just appreciate that they kept the best segment of the original theme in these versions.

[@raesolaris00]

When you gotta fight the gods of time and space at 8 and meet your friends at the club at 9

[@raesolaris00]

When the timpani comes in I'm feelin it. That's Sinnoh babey!!!

[@Xman34washere]

The high notes at the melody at 0:18 is just amazing

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

That is the worst part. This is not a disco party

[@yeetskeet3]

Definitely

[@leonvsderthazthebuizelfans2896]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 who asked

[@Ruruoni624]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 This is eurobeat, it got nothing like with disco in it lmao

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

@@Ruruoni624 eurobeat is still techno garbage

[@miladorji2247]

I love how this is a Sinnoh-Region remake that the characters in the game care so much about the Legendary pokemons' lores. Dialga and Palkia are Gods. It really gets you excited, knowing you're battling The Gods of Time and Space/Dimensions. By the time you realize its Dialga or Palkia, whether in their origin forms or not, you can tell it's not going to be an easy fight at all. And there's no turning back. This is it. No more running nor hiding, pressure's on! Prepare for an intense battle.

[@MusSupremeJAR03]

"No more running nor hiding, *pressure's* on! Prepare for an intense battle." What a clever comment really xd

[@a.x.x8184]

This makes me mad on why we didn’t get Platinum content I’d have loved to see Giratina being included in the plot 😢

[@stanzacosmi]

@@a.x.x8184 i'm guessing you didn't finish the game at the time?

[@wolfzend5964]

Yeah, it seems like Legendary Pokémon, especially from the older generations, seem to have lost a lot of importance. Nice to see it brought back in the Legend Games.

[@RyhanLDN]

Sinnoh is extremely religious. It's why arceus is the supposed god of Pokémon yet no one outside of sinnoh has ever heard of it. All these god legendaries in sinnoh are just idolised creations of their own mind. They're just powerful Pokémon that the sinnoh folk have made gods of.

[@EpicJoe3D]

Eurobeat Pokemon music is a thing i didnt know i need in my life

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

I hope this is the last time I heard this garbage in a pokemon game

[@Medix1993]

You are so right

[@Rayni369]

Hola Joe, veo tus videos xd Tremendo crossover

[@isaacperry8266]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 shut up

[@debussy7826]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 why are you malding over a pokemon game music 💀

[@hie4771]

One of the most beautiful and grandiose themes in the franchise.

[@tdchris2002]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 just because a song isn’t in the genre you prefer doesn’t mean it isn’t well composed

[@bling4965]

@@tdchris2002 finally, someone says it. I hate how that person plagues the comment section because he has poor taste in music

[@jwanie366]

Respect for waiting until the official reveal of these forms to include them in the thumbnail. I'll never get tired of saying this: Go Ichinose makes the absolute best battle themes in the core series!

[@ModemMT]

This and Giratina’s theme are what I consider his magnum opus

[@GemsofEarth]

When you thought the original Dialga and Palkia couldn't be remixed. GameFreak never disappoints.

[@sonario6489]

What if these become the new themes for the future

[@GemsofEarth]

@@sonario6489 No chance. If GameFreak did BDSP, be a different story.

[@plaaaant]

GameFreak definitely disappoints sometimes, man. Just not on this theme lmao

[@internetguy7319]

The original theme was honestly kinda fuckin weak

[@gin7567]

@@plaaaant they don't disapoint in terms of music

[@solidskullz5736]

Finally beat the game. That was such a great final battle and this song was especially fire. The best Pokémon game we’ve have in awhile

[@WyattP20]

I finally just completed the Pokédex and got arceus

[@tax_fraud3030]

You are SUCH a good person for hiding the design in the thumbnail. The little things like that make channels great.

[@mrsmithers69]

Well,not anymore!

[@heinzdoofenshmirtz8643]

@@mrsmithers69 Well, it had been a while between the original upload and the change of the thumbnail, Waylon.

[@cancer_banter1847]

Giratina's origin form feels in a way normal and then we have these two built like final fantasy bosses for theirs.

[@sheff4719]

They look way worse than their originals, should of done primals instead

[@aethelflaed027]

Actually in Origin Palkia's Dex entry it says it was trying to replicate Arceus, meaning that these forms look weird on purpose

[@sheff4719]

@@aethelflaed027 I know, they still should've done primal forms though

[@meremsolomon4744]

That's because we know Giratina have its Origin Forme literally since Ages ago. Thus people already getting used of seeing it over the years. If only they introduce Giratina's Origin Forme at the same time as Dialga's & Palkia's, I dare to say some folks would call it as weird also. To oversimplify, Origin Forme Giratina looks like a Caterpillar with deformed wings, compare to its more Sauropod like body frame of its Altered Forme.

[@sheff4719]

@Slardna Meh, Dialga already has a primal form, they could have expanded on its design and give Palkia one. How wouldn't it be meaningful?

[@howiehall2610]

1:31 … this forced flashbacks in my head to me and Infernape battling Palkia in Pearl 15 years ago. I literally froze fighting Dialga-O when this started and it beat me. Nostalgia is a powerful thing, never started breaking down in a game like that.

[@therealmichirukaiou]

Dialga sent you straight back in time, huh?

[@OtterLords]

I can’t wait to play this This sounds really good honestly Game freak learned from their mistakes and I love that part at 0:18 that keeps appearing but honestly all of it is just perfection

[@mattd2934]

As a fellow oshawott fan, I can say ur gonna have fun bro

[@jellycore1316]

Aww, I hope you have tons of fun with it when you get to play it! ^^ I love it, personally, and hope you have fun! (or maybe have been having fun, depending on if you've gotten the game yet or not XD Either way, hope you have a great time! )

[@ThatOneM.D]

When you start playing here’s a pro tip: fall damage exists!

[@Serious5GamingS5G]

@@ThatOneM.D yes, I have learned the hard way

[@ThatOneM.D]

@@Serious5GamingS5G same, when I found it out I was like, ok my character going for a squat- oh wait I died?!?

[@jellsies]

I like how much this song contrasts with most of the soundtrack. It makes me feel like I'm actually fighting off an otherworldly being

[@tomate6433]

YEAH!!

[@Nargzie]

It's cool you changed the thumbnail now the official art is out, props to you for noticing things like that.

[@cadesturm5095]

1:46-1:52 sounds so awesome, such a unique groovy spin on the best part of the original song, this game feels like the true gen 4 remake

[@AsecasJavi]

It is

[@optimisticcharizard602]

Not a remake but a prequel...sequel... kinda thing

[@starry_stelle]

I love it !

[@yeeyt464]

that groovy bass is actually identical to the original too, but the slowing and the addition of the choir, god its awesome

[@ianavina6981]

@@optimisticcharizard602 Only Pokemon can be the past present and future all at once

[@alexemp6201]

This moment... This fucking moment... Legends Arceus is a miracle

[@IronMoth.]

I honestly really like their designs They're really intimidating and look kinda badass to me. Especially in the cutscenes. In this game they actually feel like Legenday pokemon rather than a cool looking pokemon for Box art

[@flamingjetblade9273]

With all of these sick beats, no wonder time and space is ripping apart

[@Jettingson]

The altered battle had a more traditional, "epic" remaster of the Dialga/Palkia battle theme, but this modern remix just caught me so off guard. I don't know who might've predicted a song like this to show up in Legends: Arceus of all places.

[@ninjaboyben4489]

I love that they went with eurobeat for this one. It's a contrast to the feudal sounding themes from the rest of the game. I think it also works seeing as at this point, all time and space is dilating

[@solbooiboktai1440]

I have listened to this OST on loop for so long now. This is definitely one of my favorite themes to date 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@xierma8586]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 ok who pissed in your drink …..did you just wake up and suddenly want to be negative to others who enjoy it ?

[@KyogresBiggestFan]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 Snickers

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

@@KyogresBiggestFan you can find one in a store if you want one that badly

[@ssfortiusfortin3221]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 mindless kid huh? What do you call yourself? Hm?

[@KyogresBiggestFan]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 imagine being salty to a pokemon game omegalul

[@mikej8878]

I really dig how unnatural these forms look. I have a personal soft spot for designs that feel both eldritch and angelic (don’t know if there’s a specific name for that aesthetic,) and these both really hit that for me. That being said, I do feel like Palkia’s is a bit off. I still like it, but besides its upper body, it kinda feels like they lost some of makes Palkia… Palkia. Idea was great, execution was a bit flawed. Dialga’s origin form I stand by 100%, though.

[@정정-f4l]

Why Palkia lose her hand...

[@captainblue5096]

@@정정-f4l The reason for that is, in attempting to replicate their creator, both Palkia and Dialga lost the ability to use their signature moves. Dialga can’t Roar of Time anymore because its throat is blocked while Palkia can’t use Spacial Rend without any claws to rend space with. Yes, I do know they can still use it in game. Still think their Origin Formes should get new signature moves.

[@정정-f4l]

@@captainblue5096 Interesting.

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

@@captainblue5096 That sounds amazing.

[@sptflcrw8583]

@@captainblue5096 shitty headcanon

[@FizzyGhost08]

This slaps so hard my neighbors threw a rock at my window to hear it better

[@chorizord6974]

They threw a draco meteor to you

[@shadeee69]

@@chorizord6974 wtf ur neighbors are dialga and palkia?

[@noahsciongay1490]

They threw some space and time balms at u 😂

[@laravioliiii2832]

they even used Roar of time to tell you to turn it up!

[@jsc1jake512]

I love the part at 1:30, the music winds down sounding kind of like something you would hear from a fairy tale. Then at 1:56 it starts to go back to a menacing threat kind of theme.

[@nickrussell8279]

The forms did look weird to me at first, but the more I looked at it, and the more I understood what the forms were trying to replicate, the more I begun to like them. I also was in such a heated battle against them that I didn't have time to pay attention to their themes. So thank you for this video, as it now allows me to enjoy the music with risking getting my ass blasted into next Tuesday.

[@aceentertainment8082]

Opposite for me. I was jamming out to the theme and hardly paying attention to battle. Got my ass handed to me twice by Origin Dialga.

[@jarkiplier]

Blasted into next tuesday by dialga? I see what you did there.

[@PikaSpatula]

Man the Pokémon music team never cease to amaze me! This theme is 🔥🔥🔥

[@rodoshehossain7400]

Now that I think of it, maybe when gen 9 games comes out, its possible to get these forms by having Dialga and Palkia hold their respective orbs. I'm not sure if the Adamant and Lustrous orbs will get new designs when gen 9 comes out.

[@lazyrainysoul]

They’re already out and have been for the past 9-or-so hours

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

That's what I am thinking about. Their held items might finally have some use in Gen 9, other than being a Gen 4 Soul Dew carbon copy

[@ashuea2]

I rather having legends Kyurem

[@calumbishop7082]

I mean that’s how Giratina’s Origin Forme works. You give it it’s orb and it becomes the altered forme

[@jockson7574]

I think maybe in a free update in sword and shield we’ll get them

[@nancygutierrez5706]

I honestly only really hated Dialga's origin form at first. Palkia's centar looking form grew on me pretty quick from the leaks and Dialga's would've been more bearable if they put the throat thing on his chest instead. A friend of mine pointed out to me though the fact that these forms take away or inhibit the parts of their bodies they use for their signature moves. Palkia's origin form removes his arms which he would usually use for Spacial Rend and it's hard to use Roar of Time with something like that stuck in Dialgia's throat. I thought it was werid until you notice in place of that, they both get this sort of Arceus ring around their bodies. Looks to me that they sacrifice parts of themselves to (or deform themselves) in place of attaining a higher power. I figured from the start that every part of their designs is intentional. I thought the origin forms would be a powered down form instead of a powered up one but now I see what they were going for, I think it works pretty well personally.

[@DotSnax]

Wow that's so clever ! Thank you 😁

[@aceentertainment8082]

Not gonna lie, Palkia’s origin form made me laugh so hard from seeing it in the leaks. I couldn’t look at it without laughing. Still amazing tho.

[@virtualcolt]

What I love about Origin Palkia is that is more like a pegasus than a centaur, a centaur in my opinion at least would have worked better on Bisharp. Give us Mega Bisharp gamefreak, if Insurgence did it you can.

[@nancygutierrez5706]

@TrainerblueTube It's pretty much confirmed in the dex entries lmao

[@proplaystowin]

Poke my Misty dungeon

[@michaelgiuseppesalvatore4912]

one thing I love and how the pokedex entry has confused a lot of people, Laventon claims that Palkia got this form to look like Arceus and gain his power, which made some people think that Palkia and Dialga to gain Arceus power have gotten a deformation that prevents them from using Roar of Time and Spacial Rend in their true power due to one having his throat blocked and the other having no hands, however Dialga's pokedex entry and official website say which is their true form and the site picks up the pace by adding that in this form they are able to master their peculiar moves. my theory is that: Palkia and Dialga in their Origin form use Spacial Rend and Roar of Time main with the power of the ring, however when they are not at their peak power and become the forms we know to decrease the power gap that between the two forms they use their peculiar moves with methods that were previously impossible (one with a scream now that he is no longer blocked while the other with his arms now that they are no longer legs)

[@meremsolomon4744]

Honestly, this is a great analysis.

[@novemberninth4392]

So glad they incorporated some bits of the original vs Dialga/Palkia theme from the Sinnoh games here! This one is cooler by a mile though.

[@MariOmor1]

The whole song is basically the original theme but sped up and with Sword and Shield instruments

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

Cooler? Why cuz it has eurobeat and techno in it? That makes it so much worse

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

The original one is so much better

[@ssfortiusfortin3221]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 like I said your opinion doesn't matter shut the hell up and let people enjoy this sound track made in heaven, and I bet your life is so empty to the point you hate on people for liking an eurobeat/techno sound track, get a life

[@pinkeevee]

So many bangers in this OST!! This theme in particular was stuck in my head for days after finishing the main story. Both PLA remasters of this theme are great imo

[@dr.mantistobboggan4065]

Crazy instrumentation here. Like so many instruments in it, it's utterly chaotic. I love it.

[@angrycinnabon2956]

Without a doubt the BEST finale to a Pokémon game i've ever seen, the gameplay, the hype, the stakes, and the MUSIC. Best Pokémon game I've played since gen 5.

[@brongis4797]

1:21 I hate how it just took me until now to notice that this is a bit of the beginning of Zekrom/Reshiram's theme, nice touch to my favorite theme from any Pokemon game.

[@jcplays5831]

I’ve been waiting for a eurobeat Pokémon theme, and I was not disappointed

[@Goldmight]

You ever think satoshi tajiri expected his franchise will end up making you fist fight between a space or time god while listening to eurobeats

[@ceasinghornet40d40]

i was NOT expecting something like this from a pokemon game taking place so long ago but wow it's so good

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

Admit it. It sounds bad

[@ceasinghornet40d40]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 in your opinion, sure, but i like it. you don't have to go around ruining other people's fun with the new game

[@fruitgummy2461]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 admit these balls in my pants

[@andrawthecantdraw5045]

Never did I think primordial chaos would sound so good

[@shadowdoyler]

This theme is so chaotic and crazy and is such an amazing mashup I love it!

[@raptorguy6464]

Still can't get over the fact that we have 4 different versions of Palkia's/Dialga's battle theme, absolutely incredible

[@sb6196]

Actually there's 5 versions as smash Bros has a remix of palkia's/Dialga's theme

[@raptorguy6464]

@@sb6196 holy shit you're right

[@sb6196]

@@raptorguy6464 I'm not surprised you didn't know about it i only know from playlists

[@raptorguy6464]

@@sb6196 nah I knew it existed, but forgot all about it lol

[@sb6196]

@@raptorguy6464 fair enough it's easy to forget when you don't think about it.

[@Hutch2Much]

didn’t notice at 1:40, the drums from Arceus’ theme are there briefly. they really are trying to imitate it

[@meremsolomon4744]

This comment is severely underrated.

[@melon1674]

I also noticed that 0:49 incorporates it's theme as well followed by its drums after that^^

[@magifrosty]

One of my favorite legendary themes, up there with Ultra Necrozma and the Galarian Birds

[@mattd2934]

The ultra necrozma theme is such a banger

[@morganpriest7726]

@@mattd2934 I kinda want him to make a return somehow

[@tonny0422]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 are you just going around these comments just to shit on everyone's opinions bro lmfaooo

[@PokeStarChris42]

This track hits hard. I love it so much

[@carrowinabox]

Palkia and Dialga at a Hisuian rave, distorting time and space with their sick beats

[@Jaxson62]

You could say.. the beats are... *euro* -pean.

[@Greenjolty]

Man the protagonist here has some facial expressions for once

[@cristiano7541]

Swsh had

[@pedrosegundo8109]

@@cristiano7541 the characters have expressions since XY LOL people really want the games to be worse than they actually are

[@samuelgarza2466]

@@pedrosegundo8109, you're right on that. If there is one thing Pokémon "fans" love to do, it's downplaying the good qualities of the modern games and magnifying their flaws a hundredfold. Yet when someone points out the flaws of BW or HGSS with no blatant exaggerations, they proceed to moan and slander the one who criticized their Golden Calf.

[@ExtraordinaryFate]

@@pedrosegundo8109 Nah I'm sorry, but Sun/Moon we looked like a psycho killer child with that plastered smile.

[@noivernblast3366]

@@ExtraordinaryFate ok but the funniest part about that is that the devs knew about that - in Pokémon Masters, Selene (gen 7 female protag) just zones out and stares into space in the story, and also has a skill called “Stare em down”

[@yayorneigh]

I think rather than gripes with Origin Palkia/Dialga not having more moves during the balm phase, to better represent their abilities & powers, it’s more to do with their health and allotted attack patterns. At this point in the game, players have a rough idea of how to handle Noble Pokémon and can cut through half of their frenzy gauge while dodging attacks. For this fight, the Draco Meteor attacks they both pull out are easy to interpret, but are also actively stagnating the challenge against them. I experimented on my own and waited until I got them to half their “health,” and lo’ and behold, both Og Palkia & Dialga had more difficult attacks. They even used time and space to cut the distance between their Draco Meteors and the ground to fake the player out. I haven’t seen one player legitimately get a second to see that play out. If I had a wish for a future Pokémon Legends game, it would be to make the Noble Pokémon, or whatever the bosses may be called, more engaging and dynamic. For PLA’s worth, each respective fight does a genuine good job of showcasing important tactics, paired with the Nobles’ styles. Kleavor is direct and is utilized to demonstrate the basics. Lilligant entices elegance and demonstrates the importance of timing. Arcanine exudes power and stresses how to be aware of your spacing. Electrode’s innate sporadic nature teaches you how to be spontaneous. And Avalugg’s tantamount and imposing size brings forward patience. The well executed arrangement of bosses is impressive, but I would be lying if any of them were particularly trying or impressive. Each of them alone only have 1-3 distinct attack patterns, with only Arceus, an optional bonus boss, beating them out with 8 unique attacks. I would love for Gamefreak to not pull any punches in respects toward bosses in any future Legends game.

[@hippothehippo]

I love that this music clashes so hard with almost every other track in the game. Its the moment you realize everything is really hitting the fan in a way that no one has ever seen before.

[@RustedStar]

Wasnt expecting music like this when the fight started but what a banger

[@masonmcmahon512]

They look completely ridiculous and I love them for it.

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

R.I.P. Dialga’s trachea 😅

[@autismandgaming4532]

Mihai Mercenarul, stop blindly commenting hate about this game. It’s genuinely one of the best Pokemon games ever made

[@isaacperry8266]

@@autismandgaming4532 Yeah thats really true the music gameplay and everything about its amazing

[@KyogresBiggestFan]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 shut up Goku pfp

[@ssfortiusfortin3221]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 Bro hasn't played a good game in years 💀💀

[@NathanTheGameGuy]

If Dialga and Palkia's theme got this wild, imagine how BONKERS Xerneas and Yveltal's theme could get in Legends: Z-A.

[@CubicalLaboratory]

This sound track feels like your having a dance battle with Santa on his sleigh while his army of zombie elves chases after you

[@chandler2581]

I honestly have a hard time believing that these forms are imitations of Arceus. I think what Origin Dialga's Pokedex entry suggests makes more sense, which is that the Origin Form is its true form. I don't think it's farfetched to believe that Arceus created Dialga and Palkia in its image and then their bodies changed over time due to the nature of what each of them controls. And that would also explain why Giratina's Origin Form looks so different from the other two. It wasn't created by Arceus directly, according to one of the texts in the Canalave Library. It resulted from Dialga and Palkia creating matter and antimatter.

[@Eternalgold2809]

They took an already amazing battle theme and added menacing ×10 to it this is so good

[@sleepyym713]

1:31 that part gave me chills 🤩

[@_Fuscous]

A lot of people seem to dislike these, and think they make no sense, but let me try to put the pieces together for this. The legend of the universe's creation mentions an "original one", and says something that either implies or just clearly states that it separated into multiple pieces, which I'm assuming are Dialga, Palkia, Arceus, and Giratina. The origin formes are the forms that the Pokemon were in when first created, so if you fuse all of the origin formes with Arceus, it would be as close to the original one as you could get. That way, it makes sense that Origin Forme Dialga and Origin Forme Palkia look more similar to Arceus, as they are all part of the same being.

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

Thanks. But no they still look ridiculous and makes no sense

[@aceentertainment8082]

Ignore the asshole. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. I honestly found the designs to be hilarious, mostly Palkia’s. I couldn’t look at it without laughing. Not complaining about it, I honestly love the looks of these because they look kinda goofy.

[@MasteredRealm]

What really caught me off guard in this theme was the FRLG snare at 1:08!

[@ghostsandwich1867]

Bro wtf

[@wispyfox6854]

This sounds like Eurobeat....i love it!

[@benito526]

Is no one gonna mentioned how dope the scene of dialga and palkia changing forms was and then the transition to this theme? What a moment and what a game man, Game Freak is gonna take over once again!

[@Toastythetroll]

I want my boy zygarde with a theme like this in his game

[@mushroom4466]

This truly is ethereal, cosmic, eurobeat madness.

[@nappy6806]

If u think about it, if it wasn’t for palkia/dialga protecting us, everyone would have died there Instantly

[@mimikyult7662]

The part from 0:33 to 1:00 sounds like you're summoning an ancient god with an eerie aura in a ritual from an occult and forgotten cult and I love it

[@zinzolin14]

Man I'm really looking forward to the insane OST for the Reshiram-Zekrom-Kyurem true dragon fusion for Gen 5.

[@CuauhAkuma]

Something curious is that in the OG Arceus event of DP (that was cancelled) it is implied that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina were once part of Arceus and while the OG Giratina kinda looked similar to him (because of his horns and type of body) Dialga and Palkia didn't. I know that the pokedex say they want to take his place, but what if they are actually trying to return to be part of Arceus and that's why, like Giratina, they look more like Arceus now 🤔

[@hie4771]

According to their dex entries: Dialga: "to transcend and become Arceus" Palkia: imitates Arceus

[@flerken4233]

The original OG Arceus event in DP was just a battle wasn't it? I don't remember anything else related to it. The HGSS Arceus event has Arceus creating a Creation Trio egg though, so that implies it created them.

[@glaedrax3093]

Giratina looks absolutely nothing like Arceus

[@CuauhAkuma]

@@flerken4233 after cathching Arceus in DP you'll find mystery texts in 7 of the plates that give Arceus his types (just 7 and no matter which plate you took the text will always have the same dialog) plus more info from an archeologist how also says to be a filosopher. In the first text it is said that Arceus tabels had the power of "ancient gigants" he fought before the Pokemon World existed to became the pokemon god (like some mythologies talk about fights of gods against other being), while others its says that afterwards "The two that make time and space came out of him along side a third spirit creature and the three were once one with him" impling that the trinity of creaction were once part of Arceus, kinda like we saw Kyurem with Zekrom and Reshiram were once part him. Maybe this isn't official since the event was cancelled, or maybe not thanks to leyends Arceus. Only time will tell

[@whis.sensei]

@@CuauhAkuma reminds me of a comment I saw on another video long ago that Eternatus was one of the giants and the person also brought up the plates too.