Pokémon SV: The Teal Mask with a side of salt

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[@Skully34]

Really hit em with the 3000% speed

[@webbowser8834]

There is definitely a line where performance is so bad that it severely hampers one's ability to enjoy the game, and regrettably this game very much crosses it.

[@raze2012_]

@@webbowser8834 I agree it's bad but I also am kinda tired of "but BOTW/TOTK" counterarguments. They are made by a different studio in a different timeline (We got FIVE mainline games + 3 DLC packs between BOTW/TOTK. Gen 8, 9, LGPE, BDSP, Legends Arceus. All except BDSP made in-house) with different tech that is clearly now shared, under different dev studios with different sizes. The only thing they share is a publisher. It's been 7 years, I think by now we just accept that BOTW was an exception and not the norm given how 95% of other 3d switch games have had optimization issues. Possible =/= feasible, and it's clearly not feasible for most studios to optimize for switch.

[@pendragongameart]

i’m a nintendo kid, frame rate was never an issue. but even so…

[@ScottFalco]

S A M E

[@zacharylandrum4789]

I consider 30 FPS playable, but ONLY WHEN IT IS STABLE. Pokemon desperately needs Monolithsoft (Xenoblade devs) to make future games because I'm getting so sick of Game Freak's BS. I thought I got all my anger out during Sword/Shield, but... Scarlet/Violet managed to give me a second wind of anger from how abysmal it's performance is.

[@kittenfan7664]

@@zacharylandrum4789 I don't care about frame rate. unless it's unstable or at 20 or lower. 30 or higher i don't notice.

[@sahaprocks7751]

Anything below 30 is not good for me. Most if not all Nintendo games have stable 30 or 60

[@wikiuser92]

@@ScottFalco My game personally didn't experience frame rate issues, so I don't know what what wrong with your or anyone else's games.

[@thebigbean2801]

I think you hit the nail on the head with optimisation. I feel like gamefreak should finish the game then get another more experienced team to optimise it.

[@mavriiick]

The Monolith soft that optimized TotK in the corner 👀

[@dragofand]

But people will buy it regardless, so why try?

[@raulbrenes778]

​@@dragofandbecause i think nintendo is actually pressuring them to do so. Remember last year that nintendo of canada apologized on behalf of the release state of the games? And now, after several years of consumers complaining, misteriously just after Nintendo apologized on behalf of them, the pokemon company ceo said that the quality of the pokemon games is a big issue, but that they will still be pumping out 2 games minimum per year 😂 Yeah i think good ol nintendo said something to them.

[@qwesx]

​@@raulbrenes778 The video game sales are just a small part of The Pokemon Company's income. The majority of the money comes from all kinds of merch sales and other income from licensing deals. The games' use to TPC is mainly as a marketing vehicle - if they stopped making them they'd "only" lose about 12 % of their yearly revenue. And it's obvious that they want to tickle every last cent out of Game Freak. The team is very small considering the games' revenue and I doubt that they have much time to spend on optimizations. As you mentioned, they essentially said "Sorry that the games are this unpolished, but we're not gonna do anything about it."

[@shinydenz2721]

Or maybe you know…just do there job

[@OmegaChance27]

I will say I loved the Blood Moon Ursaluna quest with all the callbacks to Legends Arceus themes and all.

[@jameslawrenson1208]

I didn't expect the Ursaluna at the end to be radically different from how it normally is.

[@Highstar25]

it is a bit sad that the high point of the new DLC was nostalgia for a game that came out only a year ago though.

[@connorutt9]

@@Highstar25 I wouldn’t call it nostalgia just a reference

[@AuracleOfBacon]

That remix for the Heartwood, the ambient music that plays when there was an Alpha nearby, the battle music That made Perrin's side story imo

[@Shantae1188]

I had heard from a comment about how Perrin is basically Adaman’s descendant. I can not believe that I never realized that until I saw the picture of her again.

[@dudeguy0_07]

Here’s a thought, maybe Gamefreak should put more than just a year or two into developing each game to work out the bugs and actually have a finished game before release

[@wildbard4112]

The development time is not up to GameFreak sadly.

[@HandheldGamer1991]

I still dont get it. They dont even need a new region and pokemon every 3 years since they dont use the ones they get now anyway! Its always the first 4 gens and lilly from sun and moon that get the spotlight in the merch like the tcg. So why in the mother of god do they need a new gen if they already have so much material to work with?! Hell they didnt even show everything from galar like the gym leaders wtf!?

[@pormpfspimperton6804]

I’m on even sure how much more time will help considering how little the current dev team seem to know about optimising a 3d game. I’d hope they could learn given the extra time but their current method is shoddy

[@wildbard4112]

@@pormpfspimperton6804 Typically optimization comes at the end of the development cycle. You make everything functional then you optimize

[@thepotatoportal69]

@@HandheldGamer1991 The constant flow of games is basically just to keep pokemon fans around to buy the merch, where most of the money comes from. The hype around a new game release gets people in a pokemon-mood so they buy more merch. They sell the most merch, too, when it's from older generations, because of nostalgia.

[@larry40k]

legit cackled at the "Not Very" Quick Ball

[@stevenmattrell3448]

One thing I would say about this DLC that I found funny. The scene where the grandpa character explains Ogrepon’s backstory and how we’re “not supposed to tell anyone about it”. What I found funny was there are multiple KZbin videos showing Ogrepon’s backstory, meaning people read him saying this and then literally whipped out their cameras.

[@dantesdiscoinfernolol]

"Don't tell anyone in the village! They could react horribly!" "Yessir, I won't tell a single person *out here."* _whips out phone_

[@jtf5223]

Especially since they feel horrible when they do find out

[@BladeSerph]

The extra touch is the grandkids of said gramps, pretty much decided to say fk that noise and go ahead and do it anyway and even told it to some random kid from a different school that ‘speed ran’ becoming friends with his grandkids in less then 24 hours, prob less then 12 when you think about it.

[@weegeerules1]

@@BladeSerphI mean he kinda had to. Said kid was literally the one who found Ogerpon and had its Teal Mask.

[@compatriot852]

People used to joke about diamond and pearl being slow and Red and Blue being buggy as hell, yet here we are. Gamefreak managed to make a slower and even buggier game

[@webbowser8834]

Good ole Blissey Health Bar noises.

[@Skeloperch]

@@webbowser8834 Funnily enough, OHKO'ing a 252 hp Blissey from full in D/P takes less time than loading a cutscene in The Teal Mask.

[@webbowser8834]

@@Skeloperch yeesh. That's an indictment if I've ever heard one.

[@tomsky4751]

@@SkeloperchB R U H

[@webbowser8834]

@@shinken6636 Having actually played Pokemon Diamond, and rather extensively at that, the first half of that is simply not true. You had the slow health bar drain at high levels (which mostly only impacted endgame play) and you had the infamous "saving a lot of data" thing if you so much as dared to look at your box at any point during your play session, but otherwise the game ran pretty quickly and you rarely have to see a loading screen. You could even turn off in battle animations to make the game run even quicker. Your second argument is a bit ambiguous, as you could be referring to the original, Japanese only release of gen 1 Red/Green or the gen 1 remakes Fire Red and Leaf Green, released during the gen 3 era. The original Red and Green games were *incredibly* buggy but were also released roughly 30 years ago and was the first game in the series, so being less buggy than an infamously buggy 30 year old game really isn't the level of quality me and others are looking for. Meanwhile, Fire Red and Leaf Green really weren't all that buggy at all. Clipping was borderline nonexistent and you can't really do that by accident. Animation bugs basically didn't happen because they were simpler. And the game ran pretty smoothly to boot. Simply put, it is perfectly reasonable for folks to expect better from The Pokemon Company. The fact people are asking for better does not take away any enjoyment you got/are getting from playing the game, but your enjoyment of the game does not invalidate other people's criticisms.

[@_Rhatsody]

Will always amaze me how anti-consumer the Pokémon company is

[@shadyhats5947]

Especially considering how pro-company the Pokemon fandom is

[@caswellweird]

@@shadyhats5947those types tend to go hand and hand sadly. Its a very standard toxic relationship.

[@mariotheundying]

​@@shadyhats5947 the fandom complaining about the games and hating gamefreak for how lazy they are (sword and shield) and how many issues the company has with it's 3 year deadline and low employee number (140+) and also complaining about the bad performance and glitches in Scarlet and Violet, overall being very disappointed in the state of pokemon games (except story and lore):

[@Jay7707]

And why is that? Are you just saying that to be stupid because it seems like it

[@Semudara]

Anti-consumer, and even worse, anti-developer. I feel for the people still working at Game Freak, who are *trying* to put care and passion into these games. I do not envy them. 😔

[@wildbard4112]

After my first battle with Carmine i was like, "Um i already have a tall, tomboy, battle crazy girlfriend"

[@Shantae1188]

I will be honest, I never even realized she was obsessed with battles. Carmine not Nemona

[@wildbard4112]

@Shyontheinternet99 I believe it's Arven. And I believe they made the correct decision by not having the supporting cast from the main game in the DLC. I love the supporting cast but them being their would take away from the new characters.

[@wildbard4112]

@Shyontheinternet99 They'll probably show up as battles in the next DLC

[@dedsecturbotowns6069]

According to datamining, they'll likely have some role in the 2ed part, what that entails, we'll have to see.

[@unevennoble9363]

Carmine actually flirts with the player. Or at least brags about how pretty she is.

[@Crocthunder]

So weird how pokemon is basically bethesda at its worst now but somehow doesn't get nearly the amount of internet hate

[@giggymuun]

It’s probably because they’re the highest-grossing media franchise in the world, if they weren’t they’d be hated on.

[@boydixonentertainment]

@@giggymuunThat sounds like a perfectly valid reason why they should get hate. Like, it makes that much money and THIS is the kind of quality they put out on a near yearly basis?

[@commonviewer2488]

​@@boydixonentertainmentTwice yearly. They released Legends Arceus the same year

[@Olivertheolive]

Once every few years they make a good game, like legends arceus

[@kittenfan7664]

Most normies conflate pokemon with nintendo, so the hate goes twoards nintendo. It's a nintendo exclusive, so nintendo HAS to be calling the shots according to most people.

[@joopvanhedel1372]

Ogerpon without the mask is super cute

[@curnott6051]

Inb4 someone says "would".

[@christianboustani8284]

would

[@babycatto173]

yeah dude sounded super sexist with the "of course its female" line like dude most gendered legends are male cmon let the girls have somethin besides another sexualizable humanoid furry /:

[@curnott6051]

​@@babycatto173 Uh, I don't know how to tell you this, but why do you think Scott said "Of course it's female" in the first place? While not as bad as some, Ogerpon is definitely not going to be spared by the community.

[@shinysnivy6604]

​@@curnott6051Small correction, it's not ,,not going to be spared", it already hasn't been spared. At least the art's good

[@antontribelgorn3641]

5:55 lmao they'll have to spend more time in the game because of the loading screans, brilliant

[@Lulleebee]

Opposing Pokémon used Confusion! Your Pokémon got confused! Your Pokémon is confused! Your Pokémon hit itself with its confusion!

[@RoflCannon6]

Proceed to slowly load the “hurt itself” animation

[@Tangarisu]

You just described the near hour long "fight" trying to catch Fezendipiti

[@FabledEnigma]

I once saw someone call scarlet and Violet "The beta to the best pokemon game ever made" And I completely agree with that. I absolutely love these games, and I loved this dlc. I put so much time into violet just because I enjoy running around and shiny hunting. If the game ran well and didnt have performance issues Id easily call it the best pokemon game

[@bapbeepskull]

My thoughts exactly too

[@kingknightisbestknight7398]

A Beta shouldn't cost you a Arm and a Leg💀

[@RebelShardCaster]

3:43 Game Freak knows its audience......its *ENTIRE* Audience.

[@NotTerravin]

Honestly it's insane how unoptimized the games are, but it's even crazier to me how inconsistent the performance seems to be between so many people. Lots of people are getting the 5fps and movie long loading times, while others seem to just be getting occasional stutters by some miracle. I seem to be on the better end of it, the DLC only hitched a few times for me without much issues otherwise, but looking at yours and others gameplay it's like we're playing entirely different games. I'd understand this if it was a PC game or something and everyone had different setups, but on a console with basically zero hardware upgrades over its lifespan I feel like there shouldn't be this much variance. Kinda impressive in its own way just how broken things must be underneath it all.

[@bionicpenguinandbunny6189]

I honestly understand you as a pokemon fan the lag didn’t affect me too much but did affect me during loading zones being that at worse

[@beingmegucaissuffering.5326]

For real though, I haven't had much issue aside from frame drops specifically in the kitakami town and occasional stuttering/the game very briefly pausing to load. I wonder if the difference is in how old the switch console itself is or people playing in handheld vs docked (I play in handheld). It's wild

[@kotzer71]

I mean the game has had a memory leak since day 1 the longer you play the worse it gets till you restart the game

[@bekkfxst]

I think the big thing is handheld vs docked. Handheld makes SM look like the Mona Lisa it’s so ugly, but I play it exclusively and have half the issues others do-load times can still be a bit long and FPS dips sometimes, but it’s never unplayably bad.

[@VinylTinyjoe]

I agree 100% with you. Scarlet and Violet is a Pokémon game I’ve had as much fun as say Black and White and that’s not me defending it, it just has a pretty good story (especially the end) as well as just fun to be able to do what you want without being hand holded throughout it. The DLC was super fun! But the performance just makes it sooo much harder to get through. if the game wasn’t fun I wouldn’t be putting up with it but it is and while I know we won’t get a fix for it I hope they can take what they learned from Arceus and Scarlet and Violet and actually make the next game polished so people can see how fun Pokémon is again…

[@DigitalxGamer]

Yeah, I know it might just be a dose of Pokemon fan copium, but...I can still have that hope that they'll keep improving, right? xD I mean, there IS a stark difference in quality between DP and BW2, so sometimes it really does just take several games to really get that experience and iron everything out. It's reasonable that it would take more now that they're doing 3D games with fully-explorable 3D environments, since they're so much more complex. And hey, they're already doing what they can to improve the game visually. For the most part, the models are fantastic in this game~

[@davidtowers1863]

It also has really bad and slow menus. I like this game but they need to not do such long intros if they wanna do open world

[@dafire9634]

The pokemon company is literally holding a gun to Gamefreak devs heads forcing them to make 1 game per year, you aint getting any better than this

[@DigitalxGamer]

@@dafire9634 1. Learn what literally means. 2. No Pokemon game has a single year dev cycle. As soon as they finish one, they're working on the next. They also have different internal teams that do different kinds of games. 3. BDSP was outsourced to ILCA and not even made by Game Freak, which is already a drastic difference from before. So they're clearly changing the way they're doing things as it is.

[@flowerfloofs]

@@DigitalxGamer people are allowed to be hyperbolic, that doesn't change their point at all, don't be the grammar police lol

[@dopebrwnboygaming]

I just wanted to say I’m glad you’re doing the side of salts again! I think you’ve found a balance of praise n constructive criticism and I hope you continue this series with a healthier heart ❤️ about it

[@NuevaBestia]

Wow, that's incredibly sad. This game has been out for a year. Inexcusable.

[@dayvonlouis5187]

Principle reason to not buy this shit

[@mariobrand2257]

That's why I didn't buy it. And I probably won't buy another Gamefreak Pokémon Game in the future.

[@Cardlimits]

why ya crying

[@donovanjoseph737]

@@Cardlimits we found another boot licker

[@zillowzest5199]

@@Cardlimitsfound the corporate defender

[@Azakamak2401]

It's worth remembering that Satoru Iwata was able to optimize and compress files for Pokemon Gold and Silver to the point that they could fit *the entire Kanto region* into the game. Since his death, Nintendo as a whole has been going downhill in both quality and care for its players.

[@HandheldGamer1991]

Yeah i feel the same way about the switch in general. Compared to the 3ds the thing is just a black (or white) brick that launches games that are mostly released in a we patch it later state...

[@trident042]

It's also worth remembering that this has been debunked, and while Iwata did write new optimization for G/S, it wasn't to compress data - in fact, it increased the size of the game - but what it did was allow for faster decompression of the compressed assets. An optimization of a different sort, but don't get the old myth rumor twisted. In the meantime, we're a long ways from that time, Iwata's passing didn't change how The Pokemon Company operates, and what we can easily blame them for should not be laid at the feet of the rest of Nintendo. As even Scott says up above, we JUST had Tears of the Kingdom, and by god these are not the same Switch game. But I've said it before and I'll say it again - this is an innovation year for TPC. Whenever it comes time for there to be another gen, I expect it'll be this level of gameplay but polished to a fine shine, and people will be happier for it. It's always tough in these portions where they're focusing on updating the gameplay; but I promise you, when we get to that time, people will instead be complaining about how "oh it's the same game over and over but a little bit of QOL improvement" - we've had this cycle before.

[@DataDigi151]

Funny how this rumor was actually disproven in a Did You Know Gaming video recently.

[@Hetsu..]

@@DataDigi151 source

[@nathanblackburn1193]

To anyone who says "the Switch is a weak system", look at Tears of the Kingdom, look at Xenoblade Chronicles 3, look at Pikmin 4 and then tell me that it's the Switch's fault that Scarlet and Violet run terribly (honestly Pokemon should just have Monolith Soft make Pokemon games they'd do a much better job)

[@dayvonlouis5187]

Exactly there’s no damn reason for a main series game from a billion dollar franchise to run this poorly and the weakness of the switch was never valid excuse

[@KaleidosXXI]

When people say the Switch is weak, what they're meaning is that Game Freak doesn't know how to optimize (literally every decently coded game they've ever made was due to borrowing staff from Nintendo) which compounds *very* poorly with a weak system as the base. Poor code and optimization on a stronger system doesn't matter nearly as much as it does on a weaker system.

[@Confron7a7ion7]

The entire Xenoblade trilogy* Monolithsoft are such chads that despite absolutely being able to get away with directly porting Xenoblade one, they asked "What if we just remade the entire game so instead of looking it was for the N64, it was the best looking game available on Switch?" And then did it. And THEN they decided that Xenoblade 3 needed to be even better looking than that. The only downside of having them make Pokemon would be giving little children their first existential crisis when they inevitably have Arceus decide that humans should be wiped or enslaved to pokemon or something like that.

[@crazysmith5408]

@@KaleidosXXII feel like GF should know how to optimize for the Switch though… it’s the only home console they have to make games for.

[@thenormalpsycho4198]

Fuck not even just that, look at SMTV, look at Persona 5, look at skullgirls (especially the Future Ideas port), look at DOOM, look at Samurai Warriors 5. They all look great and play way better. I have been a lifelong fan of this series, and at this point it feels like I'm in a relationship with a very abusive lover.

[@kylewilliams723]

I know majority of people who played the dlc had issues while playing, it still stuns me to say that I somehow haven't encounter at least 2 bugs while playing the dlc until I got the pokedex complete. The one time I had an issue was when I started two pokemon battles at the same time while the other pokemon was waiting for me to battle it and then it crashed (This was in union circle btw)

[@triggerhappy4199]

Noticed when I was in the dlc union circles straight up crashed

[@KnightofChaosDeck]

Yeah it's strange. Not just the DLC- I have never once encountered any of these visual bugs or even had that much lag. It'll chug at certain points...for like, a second then proceed as normal. Even the infamous pool fixed itself after a minute. And ran perfectly fine after starting a new game in a different profile. throughout my run of Scarlet AND Violet, the game crashed like...twice. That's it.

[@DarkQueenHelba]

I loved watching you play the DLC for the first time. Watching the Lag in real time was an experience. Also Nemona2 scared me! 😀

[@uselesspatty3290]

Thanks for playing it so I don't have to.😊

[@poenpotzu2865]

Same here mate just gonna wait for the fan mod

[@Jay7707]

This comment section sucks.

[@HandheldGamer1991]

You can just mod the switch and get it for free like everyone else who had enough of tpc bull. Just saying ;)

[@Dooty-Doot]

The entirety of S/V runs slower then my bank account's balance going down from all these new releases

[@Jay7707]

The game runs faster than your mom.

[@wysockifamily1747]

I haven’t even bought the dlc but dang it’s slower than I am mentally.

[@sobobble]

the eterna forest remix is the same one from Legends Arceus

[@nsbathome]

Yes, but how would they improve upon perfection?

[@nsbathome]

Yes, but how would they improve upon perfection?

[@sobobble]

@@nsbathome i was just saying that bc scott said it was a new remix

[@JSKWilson]

It's genuinely upsetting to see how much Gamefreak has dropped the ball on optimization in recent years. Remember Pokemon Red, Blue, Gold and Silver? Games that were RENOWNED for fitting as much content as they did onto those tiny cartridges without suffering any sort of drawback? Man, how far they've fallen since those days...

[@RoflCannon6]

2D games are soooo much easier to program than a 3D game though so you shouldn’t compare the optimization of Pokémon’s oldest games to their modern ones. What you should compare it to is other modern games of similar genre. Say modern Zelda games, Xenoblade, etc. Those are fine examples of the kind of quality that Pokémon games should have.

[@edmg7]

"Without suffering any sort of drawback"? You might want to double check that. The Gameboy Pokémon games are notoriously buggy (GameFreak even joked about it in Fire Red and Leaf Green).

[@JSKWilson]

@@edmg7 The games were not notoriously buggy. The bugs themselves were notorious. (we've all heard of missingno after all) Nobody ever played through any of the early pokemon games and complained about them being buggy, or laggy, or cutting out the national dex.

[@edmg7]

@@JSKWilson...of course nobody complained about the national dex, there wasn't even 300 Pokémon yet. And yes, people have complained about game breaking glitches and their games crashing. I can only guess as to why you've never run into those complaints.

[@JSKWilson]

@@edmg7 My brother in christ why are you trying so hard to correct me about something that is clearly observable in reality? People didn't encounter game-breaking bugs accidentally back then. Maybe once in a hundred thousand copies of the games, at most. If you ever heard of a famous bug, it was always because someone actively searched for one, or datamined it. Compare that to the jankiness of today's pokemon games and try to tell me that they are in any way close to eachother.

[@-.bella.-]

why did they make kieran so relatable though

[@pinkuisntniku6521]

I'm going to say this scott I love the redesigns you made for your characters feels like it's an evolution instead of the art stlye just changing to look less rough

[@ZentaWinds]

Cant bring myself to buy such a unfinished game when there are such amazing fangames out there.

[@Orangeninja5000]

"There aren't any new Gyms or Team Star arena" *why would there be, this isn't even in the same country as Paldea* LMFAO

[@Shyblook1234]

One thing worth noting: It’s not that Gamefreak “can’t” or “doesn’t know how” to optimize the game to run worth a damn, they could hire as many people as they could ever need to get the game running at an acceptable quality whenever they want, they just don’t have to. Because we all bought their unfinished product for top dollar and then the dlc. And they sold more units than Mario Odyssey, Breath of The Wild, Tears of The Kingdom, Kirby and The Forgotten Land, and many other games that have a fraction of Scarlet and Violet’s problems. And it’s been almost a year since release and they haven’t barely tried fixing the game.

[@IDontReallyWantAYoutubeHandle]

It's even more sad when you realise they DID hire somebody in Gen 2. They wanted to add more Pokemon, but were running out of space, so they got somebody in the industry to optimise the living hell out of it. So much so, that not only were they able to get all the Pokemon they wanted in the game, but also add Kanto back in. Who was this mystery person? God damn Satoru Iwata, aka the executive producer behind the Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild. Absolutely insane.

[@beeziebubs2756]

This comment deserves to be pinned. This isn’t a console issue; it’s a greed issue.

[@spindash64]

GAMEFREAK isn’t the ultimate decider here. That’s The Pokémon Company. And TPC wants shit shipped asap to keep the Merchancycle going. The Spice Must Flow

[@Castersvarog]

The Pokémon company literally exists to handle marketing, and they are owned by Gamfreak, Nintendo and creatures. This is on gamefreak and gamefreak alone, they know they can get away with it, so why bother putting in that extra money when they could make a few million more selling the video game equivalent of raw dough on what should be a cooked pizza

[@voideddragon9104]

@@spindash64 They could easily keep up this rate with better quality if they had 3 or 4 extra teams releasing games in a cycle so that the games actually have the time to be polished, they just choose not to.

[@aspookyghost7319]

4:28 I had this problem with Isle of Armour and Crown Tundra so I played through Teal Mask with a new team of Pokémon you can’t find in the base game. It made my playthrough more enjoyable (and admittedly kinda hard at some points) and I plan to do it again for Indigo Disk

[@GlitchedRed]

Exactly. The DLC's level cap makes it meant to be played after the post game tournament

[@zacharypaquette3414]

Same

[@raze2012_]

yeah, I brought out my level 40 something Goldhengo as a "starter" (because I didn't evolve that dude until after I became champion) and otherwise caught all new pokemon in Kitamari. Completely kicked my ass, I loved it. The Orge clan were actually making me reconsider typings, movesets, and ev spreads since they actually seemed to be fully invested builds and I didn't wanna overlevel. And for reference, that Goldhengo was like, lv. 73 by the time I finished. I didn't use any candy, just grinded it as I filled out the pokedex an mowed down trainers.

[@Cirex2118]

They need to learn from Zelda, longer time in the oven, bigger teams to work on the main games.

[@kingdomcome2334]

I didn’t think to much of Perrin at first, but after I played the main story line and came back her, I enjoyed her refreshing and cheerful attitude a lot more than Carmine’s who was always being … uh yeah. Also the Pokémon you catch in her storyline looks sick and by the time it was all over I was sad she had to go cause I really liked her by then.

[@sebabbu]

Hey Scott, just wanted to say that while I didn't buy into scarlet and violet myself, I still love watching your videos on them, and all the other videos you also make. I hope you enjoyed making them as much as we enjoy watching them :)

[@spencersholden]

Ogrepon is the best! I love her so much. I am more attached to her than my starter. I also got a new team made of Pokémon I always wanted to use and new Pokémon from the DLC.

[@Cthulhunoms]

"My Goo..." - Kitikami Cave Girl 2023.

[@jacintacapelety9600]

"We got a remix of Eterna forest!" Ya.... ya mean the same remix that plays in Legends Arceus? I distinctly remember hearing that music in Legends Arceus in the forested area around Klevor's arena.

[@Etendo_YT]

I feel like every new female character in pokemon is super attractive and appealing. Like, perrin is very cute

[@caswellweird]

They realized around gen 5-6 that the characters are just as marketable as the pokemon for…other reasons.

[@HunterTracks]

Character design (and I'm including Pokémon as characters) is basically the only thing Pokémon games have going for them at this point.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

@@caswellweirdCough Cough Rosa.

[@parabomb228]

@@caswellweird I have no beef with the artists for the game (they clearly do their job well) but I feel its safe to say game freak/nintendo are VERY much aware that hitting the "waifu" button is the fastest way to sweep a lot of that nasty ol' criticism under the rug.

[@qwesx]

@@HunterTracks The music is also usually very solid. As long as it doesn't stutter because the game can't keep up.

[@theshepdawg6809]

I agree with your opinions here. I also loved Scarlet and Violet’s gameplay, and the stuff the DLC added was fun. I was playing super casually, going through and making a Living Kitakami Dex, and I can’t wait to see what they’ve got in store with Indigo Disk. With that said, yeah, the performance is inexcusable. I agree that Game Freak doesn’t really know how to optimize. What I really think Game Freak needs (in addition to a good team for optimization) is more time. They could get away with three year development cycles up to the 3DS, but apart from Let’s Go, three years is just not enough time for HD Pokémon games. If anything, they need at least four. I get that the Pokémon brand is big and having to wait longer for new games hurts the bottom line. But for the sake of quality, they need to do one of three things: slow down and allow more development time, allow other studios to make mainline entries (a la remakes or Legends style) while GF gets more time to work on the next gen, or fund more and bigger spin-offs to keep the brand relevant while not demanding new core series content every year. Ultimately, I think it comes down to time. My final opinion, though: I don’t think the comparison with Tears of the Kingdom is very fair. TotK was built on the same amazingly optimized engine as BotW, and both had 6 years of development time each. I get the point of the comparison, but still…

[@SilentRuth10]

Perrin is.... Very nice. Very. Gotta love her. 👀 Her quest line was honestly awesome and was the best, no lie at all! It just also helps that her character design is *chef's kiss*. Love that she was a reference to Pokemon Arceus.

[@mrungabunga1291]

being frank, they put all their budget into the music department

[@Dawnality]

3:14 Where did Perrin’s Camera go?? 💀

[@zetsubanned4308]

They could literally sell a box of rocks with the Pokemon logo on it, break every previous sales record, and there'd still be people saying "well that's the free market!"

[@StarkRaven59]

Good points, simple and well explained. Thanks Scott.

[@bashtrabbit]

1:35 I this was my first time watching Scott's streams and I am so glad I was able to be in the video for a second with my patented: ! In all seriousness I had a great time just watching the stream the first day!! So thanks for streaming it scott

[@K-wolf_Alexandrite]

Personally I enjoyed it, mostly for the reasons you pointed out. Both of the Sibs had good character development, and the story was amazing! Though I do agree with the move animation thing... That would make it faster to shiny hunt. Maybe they'll add it in the next dlc.

[@ewormXD]

To this day I can't figure out what dictates the extent of the horror for various people. Watching this video just reminded me that, while the game is poorly optimized, some people are hit SO much worse by it. I've seen the videos online filled with glitches and hangups and bugs that I have never experienced a single time in my game and I've been playing a lot of both Scarlet and Violet since the games came out. The rumor had it that installing the game on the SD card vs internal memory is what made the difference, but it seems that got debunked and indeed I've found no difference either way myself. It's just a fascinating mystery - what could possibly be the hidden troll element in the equation?

[@dantesdiscoinfernolol]

Same. The game always runs a bit janky, but I haven't been hit with, say, 30 second load times just for walking out of the community center. (The only thing I can think of - altho I obviously haven't rigorously tested it - is that I've always got a desk fan trained on the docked Switch to keep it cooler, and I have noticed, in not Pokemon but Animal Crossing, that the game runs better if you keep the Switch cooler...)

[@Shantae1188]

Yeah, it’s strange. The worst I have gotten is “1” crash, and even then, nothing came of it when I reloaded.

[@MetalSonicMkIV]

This game turned me Scarlet with anger, I need to Vio-let it out.

[@kirathecat]

Jesus CHRIST I did not know the digital copy was running that poorly with the DLC. The only place I ever got any type of lag was around Apple Hills and the regular "takes forever to do anything in a Raid because its a fucking Raid" nonsense but that's because I've been playing a physical copy. Holy hell. How the fuck do they fuck up that badly if its not a hard copy? Technical issues aside, seriously I did NOT know it was that horrific, I think you hit it with most of the rest of this. I definitely agree about Perrin, I love how relatable she is and I really loved her side quest. Bloodmoon Ursaluna is now one of my favorite pokemon just for how much of a unit he is. I hope we learn more about her in the second half of the DLC though or she shows up in future games. I like that she's clearly descended from both Irida and Adaman even if the latter's genes beat the former's out. Great vid as always, even if you had to suffer with that terrible framerate and pop in the whole time. Hopefully Indigo Disk is better but not holding my breath.

[@wallace7691]

Huh, I finished the DLC last night and I encountered nowhere near as many bugs and lag issues as you did. Maybe there was a patch between when you finished it and I did, or maybe I just got lucky. The only lag I noticed was in some of the battles where there were more than the usual number of entities on screen (ie people in the background cheering or what not), which is still inexcusable. I will say, I really love Ogerpon's design, it's absolutely adorable. To each their own I guess.

[@trickstertwister612]

Same. Only time I noticed lag was after I had already finished the main story. I know it wasn't an inbetween patch since I started pretty much the second the dlc released. I really loved the dlc and I'm confused how so many people's switches are just... worse?

[@wallace7691]

@@trickstertwister612 It honestly could be any number of factors, but whatever it is, it really should have been fixed long before the game / DLC released. From what I understand, they basically can't fix the performance issues because they're baked into the engine right now, which is again, ridiculous, but that's apparently what they did.

[@bapbeepskull]

Honestly, it was pretty smooth running to me.

[@pret8862]

@@wallace7691 yeah, I mean a ton of these clips are clearly in union circle. If you’re playing through the whole campaign in union circle with 4 people you’re totally gonna get lag like this. Kind of an unreasonable video

[@LycanMOON]

I experienced almost no frame rate issues or slow speeds when playing,the most was at the festival but even then I couldn't tell most of the stuff was loading in since it was really fast I think it's worth the $35 so far,great story even if it does take 2 hours

[@cartergamegeek]

So far with KZbin recordings I am getting between both games it was only a few small drips and lag. It does feel like many cracked copies are running worse and making the game look bad.

[@Tangarisu]

If I even touched water my frame rate went to 15 or lower.

[@ncisfan1002]

I went through the entire DLC with a raid-ready level 100 Azumarill and the only challenge I had with it was with the Ogrepon battle since it's 4 Tera phases. Twas really fun! Loved finally unlocking the Itemfinder badge for my boy!

[@Ghillieshoots]

Love the thumbnail art!

[@SlowForest]

4:23 that's actually a track from Legends Arceus~ Gamefreak decided to just... reuse it. Like, it's not even altered It's just straight up copied and pasted lmao

[@timeless1882]

I liked the DLC so far, the story was actually very interesting and the characters weren't insufferable. I did have a bit more fun using a shiny team that I hunted for in the new area, making the fights memorable since my team was at around the same level. Also, I love Ogerpon and I will protect her with my life. But I agree with what you said, the game definitely felt like the performance have gotten worse with the dlc added. I had so many moments when I thought the game would crash on me, especially in the crystal lake area. I'm happy to have new Pokemon to shiny hunt, but I wouldn't really recommend the dlc until the second part comes out. And I really wish they would stop shiny locking legendary Pokemon, it makes me care less about getting them since I probably won't use them on my team since I only use shiny Pokemon.

[@blockeontheleafeon]

After playing the DLC, most of the content everyone shows is optional. Not once did I learn what the camera girl was all about or find Blood Moon Ursaluna. Shame that had to be the case… Also you need to catch 150 Kitakami to even learn about the camera girl in the first place. And here I was thinking you can learn more about her without having to do anything like the DLC videos depicted.

[@deadlydingus1138]

How the heck is it that I’m the only one who hasn’t had any performance issues!?

[@curllum]

I enjoyed scarlet and violet, it was a game I enjoyed to just… turn off my brain and catch Pokémon. But MAN, I rarely get annoyed by performance and I have a pretty high tolerance for poor performance, but this game is just… wow. It could really do with some work

[@socialaccount0000]

Everybody says "new Pokémon bad!" Then immediately pays for $35 DLC.. people will never learn.

[@Exlayer-pk8hy]

Personally i only paid like 10 bucks on it because of the gold points i had saved up.

[@sahaprocks7751]

Good thing I didn’t buy the game. Haven’t been a Pokémon person anyways

[@CorasGan]

Most of the people complaining about the game aren't buying the dlc.

[@Clairavoya]

6:00 It already wouldn't work even if you had cloned ride pokemon. In the patch that added Iron Leaves and Walking Wake, they made it so even if you did have cloned ride pokemon it wouldn't allow you to dupe items anymore. I had some and tried to dupe after that patch and it didn't work anymore.

[@jordanmiller4604]

Sounds like somebody is loading the entire sandbox every time you enter it

[@Sneaker3719]

Gamefreak being this bad at optimizing its games is inexcusable. Skip.

[@PrismitBun]

Performance aside, The Teal Mask honestly exceeded my expectations a little. Compared to the Isle of Armor, it had a lot more going for it as a Part 1 DLC. My only complaint (again, excluding performance) is that I really wish you could just jump into a random Ogre Oustin' lobby with strangers without a link code. That would make it a pretty fun alternative way to get Herba Mystica if you ever get sick of grinding raids. Also, I'm really glad they're keeping strong with the character writing! I genuinely think Scarlet and Violet have the best characters (or at least the best rivals) of any main series game. At the very least they're on par with Black and White. Really refreshing after the previous 2 new-gen games basically had the same rival except the second one got sad. I like Hau and Hop but I can't deny they were kinda flat...

[@ryobibattery]

Literally beat this entire thing in like 5 hours

[@connordarvall8482]

I saw some guy point out a Japanese website for employees to rate their experiences at a company. Weirdly enough, Gamefreak gets really high reviews from its design and art team, but really low reviews from its programming team.

[@Ozawanikoot]

The only things they fixed was... loading lag the Boxes had...

[@DrCrab-vp2vc]

Whelp I've been lucky with this game. Mine doesn't run that bad

[@mariotheundying]

Yeah, it's depends on... smth, probably, but luckily you were lucky to not face issues

[@DrCrab-vp2vc]

@@mariotheundying lucks all I got.

[@jalengaskin8450]

3:44 “And of course it’s female.” You sounded so defeated. I could hear your soul grown in disappointment

[@alecdevlin2991]

On a bit of a bright side/optimistic perspective, this was the first Pokemon game I actually bought since oras (I got it for my pal on his birthday and he wanted me to play too on scarlet instead of violet) and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I started in the dlc area and my goal was to complete the pokedex, and so was my buddies, we basically played it as though it WAS the main game and the main game was the DLC, and I was thoroughly impressed. I loved the story and characters so much and Kieran and Carmine are probably my new favourite characters in the series. The game didn't lag that much for me, but do not take this as me saying that is passable at all. It was 60 dollar game with 35 dollar dlc made by the most successful franchise in the entire world, it shouldn't lag whatsoever, and should be stunning us with how good it loads and how beautiful it is (like totk) on every release. I am glad the story is getting better and I am looking forward to part 2 of the dlc.

[@Yorukin]

The problem with the optimization is that the game is too far done to simply "fix". They would most likely need a team to rewrite how the game loads things from the ground up, thoroughly test it to make sure it works properly, and make sure these changes to the game's most fundamental level of code don't break anything farther down the list. And that's all for a game that's been out for almost a full year now. I don't want Game Freak to leave the series, since it kinda needs their creative spark to stay good (coughBDSP), but it's clear that their vision for the games is a poor fit for both their dev capabilities and their release schedule. Best case scenario, they collaborate with another studio that's more familiar with making the open-world gameplay they seem to want to go for.

[@BotSupportIronValiant]

Game Freak, PLEASE You guys have ALL the money, just optimize your games, FFS

[@Saitken]

They made the boxes faster that memory had to go SOMEWHERE. Monkey's paw.

[@RubyGalaxyYT]

I was hoping to have an outing with the gang of friends we made in Paldea Nemona, Arven and Penny just hanging out and getting into little adventures as a breather after the main story.

[@drakenastee]

Seeing the issues of lag and bugs I honestly must of been lucky because I didn't have the long load in's or the laggy sections happen to me, the loading the environment and stuff pop in when a cutscene happened yeah I had that but Jesus seeing how bad people had it makes me feel bad for them, granted outside of the story (which honestly at this point it's only worth the DLC for that and the pokemon themselves) i would honestly compare this to the first half of the Sword and Shield DLC: The Isle of Armour not a lot to do but there was loads of space with...barely anything in it. I'd give it 6.5 out of 10 only because of the story and characters alone.

[@ResidentTarantino]

It is worth $0. Nobody should be paying extra to makes these games the definitive version of themselves. Ya know, you sell me something unfinished at full price, I expect the rest to come later at no charge. It happened last gen, and now it's happening again, but worse because it's $5 more AND it makes the performance run worse. It stuns me that people defend this. Are they going to have to add pronouns into the game to finally make a Pokémon game's profits buckle? This is the dumb timeline we live in.

[@doommachine5062]

Man, where have I seen that smile on the thumbnail before...? *remembers "Do the Evolution" by Pearl Jam* Oh.

[@anthonyortiz350]

Ogerpon and Kieran are my favorites!!!

[@zwiebeldogs]

I really enjoyed Scarlet. I'm always a sucker for new creative Mon designs (Fidough, Sandy Shocks, Clodsire, Toedscruel I love you guys), the story was honestly suprisingly good and the characters were great. But the performance and visual bugs totally destroyed the game for me. Also didn't help that the region just didn't feel Spanish at all imo. I hope they take their time for Gen X, but I doubt it

[@elimann9989]

I didnt even have that bad of an issue personally. I’ve experienced very fee issues since SV came out. Im not saying they dont happen and to the extent its said, Im just lost in why I dont get the issues others get

[@MILKMANYUTA]

It works pretty well for me to the only time I had bad bug in the game was when the ice gym leader didn't show up the second time I had to battle him

[@gabrw]

It happens, when cyberpunk released I could play the game on a normal PS4 without running into much problems that would let it be unplayable for other people. As you said, It doesn't mean that not happens, that game was utterly broken, but some times you're in luck. Not that S/V was broken as cyberpunk too, the problems I have with this game are more in the stylistic choice they gone with.

[@drakenastee]

Honestly i had the same thing with me, i never had extreme frame drops but the load ins and random parts cutting out and loading back in (mostly in a cutscene) were the most i experienced which was the same for the base game, i feel bad for sure but...i don't get why i never got the same issues as others did.

[@-king-1230]

I can't believe the pokemon company takes notes from sonic 06 in terms of loading time

[@blue_lux]

The remix of eterna forest music is actually straight from pokemon legends lmao

[@AceRisingChaoticMind]

Wow this dlc would make trigger my boring to sleep trigger alone for the time i would have to wait

[@arbitrarylibrarian1816]

will wait to see how the other half is before buying, but I will say Ogrepon looks awesome from everything I've seen

[@ysten3869]

I like the small details like shiny dipplins syrup bomb being gold and not red and morpeko eating when switching from hangry to full belly mode

[@azazeltheundyingdamienkali5700]

Honestly, I never encountered any performance issues as bad as what you described. The worst I've had to deal with are the occasional slowdown spikes, particularly while I'm riding around on Miraidon. I dunno whether this means your Switch is a potato or mine is a beast, but I know for sure I never had to wait 32 seconds for anything here. Also, I will defend Ogerpon with my dying breath. She's now one of my precious baby girls who I love very much.

[@willnet2644]

Sonic 06 loading screen returned

[@darksword0928]

2:38 Bro I didn't know that Okidogi learned Buster Wolf

[@stigmaoftherose]

Game freak: takes a giant crap on your chest and charges you money. Pokemon fandom: Yeah, but I did enjoy playing pokemon black 2.

[@scaper12123]

Ed edd n eddy sfx will never get old

[@The_Real_YN]

Late to the party but this game’s dlc in Australia costs $52.50 and that’s only for one part of the two part dlc

[@SpooksTheWitch]

The amount of times I had to save due to fear of it crashing when playing through the dlc. I hated walking around the grassy areas because it moved sooooo slow

[@mario1upboy369]

Damn you beat this fast as hell

[@snitzfoam6827]

I had nearly 100%ed the DLC less than 12 hours after launch He's not joking about how short this DLC is

[@embernodebeef]

Love the take a photo meme

[@Galarticuno]

They also fixed a bug where for Mass Outbreaks, only the base form would spawn regardless of the form displayed on the map. Not really DLC specific either, but a welcome change, other than the fact resetting for outbreaks is now laggier and sometimes doesn’t load properly

[@lovelyfma]

this game really makes you Feel like youre going 100% speed slower

[@Filloax]

Lets not forget the festival, the big thing featured in most marketing of the dlc, being 6 stands half of them copypasted between each other

[@why_do_i_need_a_channel]

The hide guide option when using the camera got removed in the update so now you cant video pokemon.