2019 Pokémon World Championships: Pokémon TCG Masters Division Finals

[@Andrew..J]

If only there were some kind of device that recorded and displayed time passing so players could see how much time they have. If only such a thing existed.

[@scrotumus]

@CAl Gond HERESY

[@nickfanzo]

Clocks would make it a different format, like blitz in chess

[@silentplayer6656]

even an hourglass would work lmao

[@fiqri1999]

Maybe put a chess timer instead of this inconsistent rule of slow-play next year.

[@mayhem-z9y]

Kid stacked his deck multiple times and still lost

[@fiqri1999]

@@mayhem-z9y That's not my point though. My point is that the player-shared time mechanic this world used was ineffective in my opinion and needed change.

[@fiqri1999]

@@mayhem-z9y Also any proof on him cheating in form of video link would be great.

[@tacobellplease]

use to play magic, never played pokemon tcg beyond that one gba color game. that rule seems pretty wack tho. especially in a final what a frustrating way to lose a match. in mtgo each player starts w 25 min? and if a player uses up their 25 min then they lose.

[@mrknarf4438]

@@tacobellplease But that's MTGO: in paper Mtg there are warnings which may lead to a Game Loss for Slow Play. But those are only used during the timed parts of competitive events to prevent people from exploiting the clock, during finals there is no clock. He took a minute and a half (15:37 - 17:03) to make a game changing decision. That may seem like much, and as a judge I'd have encouraged him to play faster, but I wouldn't have enforced the penalty at such a high REL: it gives the game a bad reputation and makes it all seem pointless and less exciting for viewers and players alike. It's not like it took him five minutes either. Sure, he had already received a warning, and rules must be applied, but this may set a good precedent to change some of those rules.

[@PriMaLSunrise]

If it’s obviously a difficult decision, and you already told him to slow down, what kind of douchebag calls slow play on potentially the most important turn on that whole game. Clearly Shintaro was flustered about the decision

[@silent6899]

JUDGE GX

[@JaChamp78]

Yo take 2 Prizes for free.

[@ミヤマ-c9n]

😘

[@PokeObsession]

Da Ta OMG DEAD!

[@Ikareponchi000]

👍

[@mikemarek6243]

Well if he wasnt caught stacking his deck....ijs

[@nshaoc]

They cut out the part that judge knocked over Henry's deck too, which was why Shintaro was laughing in the beginning of the match.

[@sean9662]

Mewtwo tagteam + judge new meta deck

[@mayhem-z9y]

Ito cheated almost the whole game. Deck stacking

[@qualityarsenic3922]

@@mayhem-z9y Proof? Timestamp? Literally anything except baseless accusations?

[@mikemarek6243]

@@qualityarsenic3922 maybe if you wernt lazy and found your own info...oh yeah that's because you dont want to know the truth.

[@ashvikgarg4913]

@@mikemarek6243 or maybe he's just comfused

[@Cyber-lb8jg]

Anyone else have no idea whats going on, but still watches anyways.

[@saltkujo]

CybeR Online I have literally no clue how to play TCG but I have an absolutely ridiculous amount of cards that I only have for collecting lol. How about you?

[@mars8565]

Lol I actually know what they are doing most of the time but sometimes I get confused

[@mars8565]

@@saltkujo I have a lot of cards and its actually really fun to play! And it's not that hard to learn if you ever want to play with your cards!😁

[@LizaPlz]

25:55 you know I don't think it's because of nerves, I'm pretty sure it's the sheer anger of being screwed by the judges and the judges constantly hounding him making him insecure of his decisions

[@rickperaza242]

Congratulations to the new champ of World Championship TCG 2019.... the Juddddddge!!

[@mikemarek6243]

Or tell the kid to not get caught stacking. I mean he has done it since 2016

[@reggiekay]

they really should just add official timers in view of the players for next year instead of relying on a judges determination on whether or not someone is taking too long. when it comes to card games or competitive games in general competitors need time to THINK, CONCENTRATE, and make the most optimal plays possible to win. I would absolutely hate having to think ontop of all that on whether or not this judge.... who has no attachment to the match at hand other than making sure i play my cards according to rules .... is going to call time on me ...

[@AtlasGcx]

7:08 I hope everyone can appreciate Shintaro’s sportsmanship. He has my respects. He may lose the game 1, but he doesn’t deserve a lost like this. I don’t believe he is someone who tries to waste time.

[@MatthewSelwyn]

For any one that wants a breakdown of the penalty timings: 15:38 Shintaro lifts Heatran from the knockout (Checks opponent's discard, checks own discard) 16:23 Judge starts talking to Shintaro 16:38 Judge intervention finishes 16:49 Judge talks to Shintaro again 16:52 Judge intervention finishes 17:03 Blacephalon promoted and released 1:25 from Heatran knock out to new Pokemon promoted including two judge disruptions totalling 0:18. First (assumed) warning comes after 0:55 seconds. I'll let you guys decide whether this was reasonable or not in the circumstances. Equally, if you want to time other players for comparison, go ahead. Congratulations to Henry - judge intervention was nothing to do with him and he played his game perfectly.

[@Coolhand118]

I think a minimum 30 seconds should be allowed to think, a minute should be considered a warn, and at least a minute and 30 seconds should be a prize penalty... the time shouldn't add up for the warning and penalty.

[@SeparatedMiles]

The fact he was told repeatedly during the event to slow down because he was going so fast. It's biased and should be overturned. Henry may have played the game perfectly but he won on a technicality from interference from the official. So he should not be granted the title. Then the fact that they cut out the part where shintaro is on the floor in tears after thew match shows that pokemon does not care and knows they did wrong.

[@FreddaRL]

Go figure they cut out the last part where one of them is crouching down in depression on the stagefloor. Edit: Realised my comment might spoil so edited out the name

[@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494]

Can you link me the clip?

[@fetty__]

@@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494 Channel "Online Station" has an uncut livestream of the finals, if you don't mind the Taiwanese commentary.

[@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494]

@@fetty__ thank you I just saw it and it kinda sad

[@fetty__]

@@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494 Watch Dragon Ball FighterZ Finals Evo results reaction and you'll be lightened up :)

[@thatoneweirdkidwhosobsesse3494]

@@fetty__ ok lol

[@GoldfishEmpire]

I was watching PTCGRadio's videos about Worlds and I saw that people were talking bad about the judges. Now I see why😔😔😔

[@Kidarachnid13]

Why what? Why they gave a penalty to a player who was violating the rule that penalty was made to enforce? Dude wa playing slow all weekend, was warned multiple times, and took more than 45 seconds(!!!!) To promote a pokemon when the given time frame is 5. Judges were more than lenient on him, you break a rule you get punished. How games are played. Whether it's right or not is a different debate, but the rule was broken, penalty has to be applied.

[@Kidarachnid13]

@@FriendOfOwlsAndTitans tbh I'm uncertain. I heard a few others reference 5, so assumed that was it for this one. Regardless he was over both those given time frames. Seems incredibly short given a finals, but rules is rules whether dumb or not.

[@mayhem-z9y]

Ito stacked his deck and still lost

[@Kidarachnid13]

@@mayhem-z9y also, that ^^

[@bongo220]

Mans was stacking hard I was Dying laughing

[@AdamYGO6893]

Disliking for the terrible judge call that ruined the game. Nothing at fault with Henry, because he played really well and deserves to be there, but I wish we truly saw all the games played out.

[@DaGrubb97]

"Shintaro was slow playing" yeah how dare he take his time to think about a crucial game decision in a 75 minute best of 3

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Yeah how dare he spend a minute and a half looking through the discard pile(s) and how dare he be given a prize penalty after being given multiple warnings of slow play by judges.

[@KnightElemental]

Delay of game. Just like it's a penalty in football, it's a penalty in pokemon

[@BigHailFan]

@matthew can you quit white knighting for the judge? they told him to slow down.

[@hayaisupra]

@@ProphecyPhrase are you stupid or something lol, that was literally the worst call especially when he didn't take that much time with 60 mins still left in the game, would be different if there was like 20 min left but it wasnt so these judges suck

[@ProphecyPhrase]

@@hayaisupra LOL those 60 minutes are for the 3 games of that one round. Best out of 3 dude.

[@l3m0ntea]

Thru out the 1min and 20+ seconds before he promoted a defending pokemon. The judge had multiple times communicated with shintaro. How can that be counted within the slow play. The judge should not even be allowed to disrupt the players thought process at all.

[@Ohboyohboyohboy]

Shintaro got screwed over by the judges.

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Not really. He got given multiple warnings for slow play and yet he still continued to slow play which led to the prize penalty. The judges were doing their job. How do you spend a minute and a half just looking through the discard before bringing up a new Active?

[@johnnyli7628]

Matthew Breach the judges and translator talked to him for 1 minute within the 1minute half checking bro

[@Ohboyohboyohboy]

The judges should have penalized Shintaro way before the final match for his other mistakes. If i’m not mistaken, he evolved a newly benched poipole in the same turn in top 4 match against Tod Reklev.

[@lucarr1041]

@@Ohboyohboyohboy I wouldn't necessarily hold evolving the same turn against him. It could have just been a lapse in concentration that unfortunately wasn't caught at the time. atleast this time when he nearly attached a second energy in a turn, it was caught and resolved quickly.

[@BigHailFan]

@matthew the judges told him to slow down bro.

[@hochunwong6086]

. Trainer Supporter Incredible Judge If your opponent is an Asian,take 2prize cards.

[@mayhem-z9y]

I call bullshit he cheated several times. Judges had enough

[@mayhem-z9y]

@CAl Gond he was staking his deck using illegal shuffling techniques.

[@mikemarek6243]

@CAl Gond in 2016 through now he got penalized for stacking his deck then in other games this year he got penalized for taking up to 2 minutes to play a card....not taking time to think but waste time. This was the culmination of everything before

[@cunningfox831]

Mf’s always want to cry racism. It’s an asian game bro. If the judges were racist then they wouldn’t be there. Smh

[@ErroTheCube]

I see they released Judge V a bit early

[@cypi6210]

Hahaha

[@pikablu_25]

Judge Vmax

[@elburritoboys4348]

Welder welder welder game. What a fun format

[@gavinzhou3168]

Could have been a great finals, completely ruined by the judging. Really shows there is a problem with how things are run atm, changes need to be made for the future of ptcg.

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Oh so the judges should be blamed for just doing their job? Shintaro was given multiple warnings for slow play and he was given enough warnings to be given a prize penalty. How do you spend a minute and a half looking through the Discard Pile(s) before bringing up a new Active Pokemon? There are no problems. The only problem are silly comments like yours that are clearly written in a hurried rant without getting all the information first and thinking clearly.

[@johnnyli7628]

Matthew Breach where are the multiple slow play warning bro which matches ?those are not about slow play

[@lucarr1041]

@@johnnyli7628 Not all matches were streamed, but Shintaro did get a slow play warning in his previous match against Tord, assuming I've been informed correctly, and presumably in several off-stream games too. During that minute and a half, the Judge does also warn Shintaro that he's playing slowly, but that only counts for a much shorter time than Shintaro seems to be wasting.

[@Coolhand118]

@@johnnyli7628 29 minutes in the commentors say the warning against tord, there's your evidence of a warning, so saying "fake rumors" and what not is wrong.

[@Coolhand118]

@@lucarr1041 at 29:00 the commentors Basically say the same thing...

[@CoolVids19]

I saw this live and the one who lost was crouching and crying.... bruh.

[@mayhem-z9y]

Sucks to lose even when you cheat right

[@aaaqui__9761]

@Ash Swaggy in the last 8, shintaro evolves a poipole he placed in the same turn in a match against zakary

[@Foto_gui]

Darcry gx

[@daniellekearns-lockood4429]

Bro he lost he's gonna feel bad you know idiot

[@dr.assblaster3355]

Thx for not spoiling it🙏

[@bnn8171]

Worst Pokemon TCG championship final ever.

[@lastmexicano]

BaNaNa rx

[@zackkinnee6980]

True, shintaro prob would've won

[@ChanchoSinG]

@Poké Kid actually yes shintaro wouldve won if no prize penalties happened blowns gx vs mew3 is a known horrible matchup on that format

[@allangodoy3243]

the worst pokemon tcg final

[@WTFisAuserFRCKINname]

Was Emery

[@WTFisAuserFRCKINname]

@the best youtuber Emery dead drawing was the worst final this year

[@lhr9scout10]

Guys you don't get it, that's mew&mewtwoGX's perfection ability to copy any move, he copied the judge's attacks for this match

[@ErroTheCube]

Game 2 in the Masters Finals 2016 was also extremely painful to watch

[@jangoligth]

@@ErroTheCube Cause Cody's hand was really bad?

[@TheAvengingknight]

I mean come on guys be logical. There is so much money on the line. Its the world finals. People are obviously going to think twice or even thrice before making decisions. Final should have no time limit.

[@coolguygrant77]

I have shuffled my discard multiple times in that exact scenario, nice to know it was common

[@yujiroy9137]

Many Japanese media don’t report such an insult in the respectful card game “Pokémon Card”, that is representative of Japan. I was relieved that many foreigners have question to this judge. I wish the rules and judges would be fixed to be proper.

[@oskarjoto]

When you shuffle your deck you give it to your opponent so he can cut it or shuffle it once again, when he/she gives it back it's because both player are satisfied with the randomisation of the deck so the judges should never call it out.

[@RobertBrianGabriel]

true. Shintaro had that warning on the previous round.

[@eugenides04]

@@RobertBrianGabriel Japanese player in Juniors Final got the same warning, too. I feel like it was probably pretty common amongst JP players due to cultural differences. Tragic that contributed to the ruling in game 1.

[@johnnyli7628]

Opponent can shuffle The deck so I do not think this rule even make sense

[@therealkenpachii]

Exactly

[@角笛将棋実況四間飛車]

Does the judge do not know that we can review the video? Judgeman should be judged

[@janiakapoor8611]

There’s something about Pokémon that forces commentary to have as many puns as physically possible

[@jmarcus59798]

This world's final will live in infamy

[@Ghostrider6A]

8.4.1 will be a hot topic in many TCG events for 2020.

[@lannguyen902]

@@Ghostrider6A Quite honestly, it really should of been a hot topic way sooner then next year. The penalty for slow play just seems super inconsistent on when the judges decides to enforce it for a lot of years. Sometimes it is very clear that a player is trying to stall out the match to force a draw and the player gets off with a warning while in this match, Shintaro is just trying to think through clearly on what to promote with judges constantly intervening and slowing it down even further and he gets slammed with slow play. There really needs to be more consistency on enforcing the rules at all rounds and levels with the penalty enforced way before the finals.

[@D4mnis]

@@Ghostrider6A Hi, it's me from the future. I can assure you that 8.4.1 wasn't that big of a deal at Events in 2020 👀

[@TerranViceGrip]

​@@D4mnisso funny looking through these comments and seeing how many people don't understand what lead to that penalty. Shintaro already had MULTIPLE warnings for slow play prior to the final as well as a couple cheating accusations. The judges call was correct, slow play is inappropriately unpunished and I wish I had a judge with me each time I came across a player that played this slow.

[@marktrouville629]

can you imagine refs ending the game two minutes early in an NBA finals game? absolutely ridiculous

[@elimgarak326]

So,this is TAG TEAM right?

[@薩摩源]

It might be the discrimination to Jap. The judge destroyed the game and our hope. We will never forget the tragedy of Washington in 2019.

[@damianalva5655]

What type of penalty ? Two prize cards taken because he's thinking what he should do at a world championship final ???? So stupid imo

[@JoeKreis]

Watching this in 2021 thinking "yeah probably a good call to not let players play a supporter on the first turn"

[@SeparatedMiles]

How does it feel knowing your judges ruined your final and destroyed a person on stream and then go on to delete that segment. Disgusting. Ruling should be overturned. Brand should be stripped of the world title. Shintaro was told repeatedly to slow down and then given slow plays penalties. Those table judges and who ever enforced that penalty should never judge and apologise. If I was shintaro I would be considering action.

[@pabloandresmireles]

The judge ruined ALL

[@giant8864]

Could tell it was shintaro by how fast he plays and how he attaches energy

[@readinghui4784]

Worst Master final ever.

[@Gregg9125]

I literally started collecting these not long ago and I don’t have enough cards for 2 players but I’ve always wanted to play Pokemon tcg world championships

[@SnugNap]

TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO BE JUDGES THATS BULL

[@ProphecyPhrase]

They're just doing their job and besides Shintaro had been given multiple warnings about slow play and yet he still slow played.

[@johnnyli7628]

Matthew Breach how do you define slow play his opponent played slower than him

[@lucarr1041]

@@johnnyli7628 His opponent didn't take a whole minute on a relatively simple choice like promoting a pokemon though

[@alecling9682]

Disgrace! And you ask me to "Watch Shintaro Ito battle Henry Brand in the finals" ? the judge didn't let shintaro play !

[@jmarcus59798]

I wonder how the crowd reacted to that r1 judge call

[@Ghostrider6A]

It was pure shock in the center. Twitter blew up on it too. People were even more surprised when I told them it was for slow play.

[@toumatakase_spacebattlesihp]

ある意味伝説の大会になりましたね。今後はタイマーでも置きながらやることになるんでしょうか…？

[@calds6705]

Uhm. What???

[@dragonairex1598]

Came here to witness the highest level of skilled decision making. Can’t be more disappointed. Edit: reckon it takes much courage to keep the comment section open.

[@THRASH3RZz]

this was completely unfair to shintaro. put a star next this year’s winner judges won this year’s tournament.

[@javierflores3144]

Arceus use Judgement on Judge!

[@miloelixir8172]

That ain't right, Shintaro deserved better.

[@mayhem-z9y]

He cheated several times in the tournament. Even stacking his deck in the final

[@bumblebeetunayoutube3711]

Henry Brand with the clutch judge in hand.

[@boxkid759]

He had nothing to do with anything that happened but okay.

[@bumblebeetunayoutube3711]

I don't think you understand...

[@boxkid759]

@@bumblebeetunayoutube3711 I know you were using hyperbole, I was just responding too literally.

[@bumblebeetunayoutube3711]

Also, it's funny because there is an actual pokemon card called judge.

[@boxkid759]

@@bumblebeetunayoutube3711 I know I've played for a few years. Shuffle draw 4 both P

[@Nocturne989]

Regardless of how you feel about that specific call, if that was his only instance of slow play he would have gotten a warning and won the game. BUT he'd gotten multiple slow play warnings throughout the tournament.

[@isaacsantizo-johnson2918]

Nocturne989 where the crap was tords in the top 8

[@klau1001]

Won't forget that the judge always stop Shintaro from playing and ask for video checking on whether ultra conversion is used or not, EVERY SINGLE TIME when the ability is being used

[@johnnyli7628]

Please do not spread false messages shintaro did not get slow play warning but shuffling warning

[@Coolhand118]

@@klau1001 at least he got second

[@jr.4124]

Thank you for a good game！I'll try using the judges next time！

[@klau1001]

This really sucks. Why blame a player for slow play when he is really finding and has found the way to win, without any complaints from the opponent

[@ProphecyPhrase]

He was given multiple warnings throughout the event for slow play. The commentators said in the video that he had enough warnings for the prize penalty.

[@naturalharmoniagropius4486]

Shintaro must be think in advance who would put in the active next, like what I did

[@johnnyli7628]

Matthew Breach please do not spread false message there is no slow play warning previously

[@lucarr1041]

@@johnnyli7628 please do not spread false message, he was literally given a slow play warning after he'd taken longer than usual

[@Maltrab26]

@@johnnyli7628 Yes there was. He had multiple slow play warnings throughout the tournament.

[@tiehfeiyu]

The final was totally ruined by the judge.

[@Minuschicken]

1. There should be a time clock like in chess so the rules can be objective. 2. There should be a shuffling machine for fair shuffling. This is just common sense, right?

[@beuks4478]

I agree with a visible time but the machine is unnecessary, after shuffling the deck is handed to the other play to shuffle or cut and once both players are happy it is fine, the judge should not have called him on stacking/poor shuffling.

[@gaiusmarius8628]

judge GX

[@Samurai31631]

Ability - Auto Win

[@rafaellum]

I stopped watching when the judge did his thing. What happened there was clearly a gut-wrenching decision and not stalling, that was easy to see to any spectator's eyes. The decision to end the match seems clearly against the spirit of competitiveness. Surely Pokemon company wouldn't stand for such anti-fun ruling. Let the players play!

[@WTFisAuserFRCKINname]

It wasn’t them ending the match. It was them giving a two prize penalty, when all that was needed to be taken was two prizes.

[@MultiAsdag]

Commentator's voice is a combination of Kermit Frog and Jordan Peterson.

[@sihaochen8182]

I think the people that called him slow play are either small brain or don’t even play the game( keyboard warrior). The decision the guy have to make is between not to lose a game. Or go for the win. And the three card he will draw from the GX find the welder. I don’t even know how did a guy don’t play the game became a world judge. What a shame.

[@Chriscross381]

judge..best card in the current meta

[@emanuelbellanti4308]

Man 😍 Shintaro's 2nd turn, WOW. Henry's 3rd turn response with that Electromagnetic radar, top tech, he only played 6 supporters and no pal pad 😰. Awesome game, poor end, I dont know if Shintaro could OHKO that Reshizard on that turn, gonna check the list, but after losing first game he look at the top card of his deck, that's other level. CONGRATS both players.

[@FrizzyGming]

Is it just me or does this just make me wanna play...

[@rushi5895]

who is judgeman??

[@selder_7]

Even if you were to impose a penalty, which does seem uncalled for, a one prize penalty should've sufficed to not utterly ruin a match that could've gone either way. Surprised the audience were that quiet, should've been mass heckling after that

[@jesperkeriksen179]

Scott Elder one prize penalties do not exist at tournaments.

[@Jesse110]

They used to do one prize penalties, but the problem is they can be gamed. Ie, if you only have pokemon that offer 2 prizes upon knockout, you can purposefully take a 1 prize penalty and then play a card that is more powerful while you are behind, though in reality, your opponent still has to make the same number of KOs.

[@hatchless1359]

Need a different judge penalized for being to slow SMH🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Math28l]

JUDGES WON! Shintaro is the people champion

[@ProphecyPhrase]

He might be if he stopped slow playing. :P

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Umm.. He was slow playing and this wasn't the first time he had done it this tournament. It shouldn't take 1 minute and 30 seconds to look through the discard pile(s) and then bring up a new Active Pokemon. 30 seconds maybe but nearly a minute and a half? Nah, no way. As this is the finals of Masters we're talking about here, the judges need to be strict in order to be fair. Not to mention how Shintaro had been given multiple warnings by various judges throughout the event to play at a more faster pace and yet he still continued to play slow, thus leading to the prize penalty. The penalty wasn't put on Shintaro unfairly, it was put on him as a result from the many warnings he had been given. This was all said by the commentators. That's why he got given the 2 prize penalty.

[@ashvikgarg4913]

they should have a chess timer or some sort of timer so the players can see how much time they have left, also have judges that can quickly understand what is going on so they don't have to "slow down"

[@RobbieLeeFYI]

it would have been helpful if in the video it showed the rule about promoting a pokemon on your turn before a set time when it happened in the game. That way anybody watching would know what's going on instead of calling fowl.

[@Ghostrider6A]

I informed Kyle of the exact rule after the stream. 8.4.1 is the rule associated with slow play. (I'm a VG judge, but I had to look it up in the TCG rulebook.)

[@RobbieLeeFYI]

@@Ghostrider6A Thank you for letting me know, I appreciate it.

[@keyushin]

ジャッジを許すな

[@karpovaleksander3383]

Winner : Judge!!

[@AC-xe6vj]

Anyone else notice how Henry was using diamond and pearl era energies?

[@musclecarmaniac6914]

X&Y switch

[@kagemushashien8394]

All I want is to build a deck that suits me that can beat these people

[@screamforedits1645]

Go buy 25$ Zacian v decks at Walmart 🏃🏼‍♀️ 💨

[@ryancondon2246]

The opening ceremony for this is way cooler than yugioh

[@just_rush808]

so it seems they aren't using the playground ruleset of "my attack number versus your hp number".

[@hedduyou]

This is so dumb. The judges ruined this entire tournament by pulling that penalty in the finals no less. That judge should be fired

[@PerfectDoof]

I have no clue what on earth happened in the final turn of the match..I just heard “he’s doing this and that and he does things”

[@sullyfind1150]

It's not fun to watch a game with penalties imposed like that

[@shuyai4169]

is there no thinking time in final match of tcg? why they scheduled 75 min for it?

[@hermanpesina6328]

Judges should be the ones in charge of doing final cuts thru out the games just for fairness sake

[@pasta1998]

i love me those water tips lol

[@lucarr1041]

I can see both sides of the Argument for the Judge call, while it does seem a little unfair that shintaro didn't get to play out the match, and maybe pull a win out of it, he did take a very long time between stopping looking through discard piles and making his decision, which he knows he should be avoiding due to his previous warnings. It would've been nice to see Shintaro win, but the judge ruling wasn't entirely uncalled for.

[@RobertBrianGabriel]

problem is it is the finals and the allotment of time. the earlier rounds, players tend to slow play to go for a draw. But does judges really realize a lot of things happening to get to that draw? e.g imagine using a Cherish Ball getting a GX, but all the players would check his whole deck for minutes to check what cards were prized. Some players even pick a GX already and still check his deck? For me that is a slow play, eating the clock a lot and maybe going for the draw?!

[@lucarr1041]

@@RobertBrianGabriel They tend to be a bit more lenient for the first time the deck is searched, as all of the higher level players check to see what's prized, and so there's no unfair time advantage from it. There will be a cut off though, probably at around 1-1.5 minutes where that first search is called to have taken too long.

[@RobertBrianGabriel]

Lucarr10 main problem is they/judges are lenient even it is not the first time. A lot of players would go back and check their deck several times during the match.

[@lucarr1041]

@@RobertBrianGabriel They don't tend to take over a minute when they do though, unlike Shintaro, who spent a long time just looking at the board and not doing anything productive

[@japansnow1650]

Why are Japanese discriminated against even though the game is made by a Japanese company?

[@kero6405]

UNFAIR JUDGEMANGX

[@396dog8]

OH MY GOD I HAVE TO TURN OFF NOTIFICATIONS FOR THE POKÉMON CHANNEL UNTIL ALL THE BATTLES CHAMPIONS SHIP DUP THINGS ARE DONE.

[@snekksuperior]

11:42 editor accidentally puts baby heatran up

[@user-wz7fj6vx7f]

I understand the judge ruling was harsh but I think the aussie wins either way... mewtwo and mew are stupid broken..

[@simgingergirl]

Why would anyone play Magic when we've got this gem?

[@LizaPlz]

Let the kid think good Lord dude

[@BalmungHKs]

U know what we need, a pokemon TCG Mobile Game just like Duel Links or the GBC games. make It happen (i know there’s one already but is boring)

[@F2BeezY]

Smh this was so hard to watch.. the FINAL and you get these clowns?.. "Slow play" Gtfo literally the deciding hand and secretly I think both the judges knew what was about to happen AND his top card was welder.. seriously smh 🤦‍♂️

[@jdjdhf307]

ジャッジ1人に権限与えすぎたんですかね

[@ph0sgene967]

This tcg really is just whoever has the most meta deck. What a shame

[@Enseraku]

That's just any TCG dude. Playing anything aside from what's #1 is just you hindering yourself. It sucks but it's the unfortunate truth

[@ph0sgene967]

@@Enseraku Wrong. That's not even remotely how magic works

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Oh so it's like Yu-Gi-Oh!? Or Magic the Gathering? Or any TCG ever?

[@7hardy8]

Bonnie Hogaak says hi

[@johnnyli7628]

Shintaro one is not meta people may not put the new negadel in their deck

[@MikeyCloud]

judge jury and executioner, executed that guys dreams, ORDER 66

[@TheMadisonHang]

he's just shuffling and organizing his deck

[@PoXReal]

This last match is so hard to watch. Lose is not hard to take in, but lose to penalty, that must be really hard to swallow. Shintaro kun, I believe the audience's eyes are clear and we can discern the truth. Please don't let it bother you too much.

[@ProphecyPhrase]

LOL he was told multiple times by judges to stop slow playing and now his actions caught up to him. I'm glad he got that penalty. If he's a past champion then he should act like one.

[@PoXReal]

@@ProphecyPhrase the moment he got the penalty, he roughly used 1 minute and 22 seconds to decide which active pokemon to promote, but during that time, he checked opponent's discard pile and his own discard pile, and then decide. There were three actins involved actually. Also, it was a really critical moment of the game. So I absolutely think it was reasonable to have that "much" of thinking time.

[@PoXReal]

He may have slow played for the other times but for that exact moment, I think he shouldnt be penalized.

[@ProphecyPhrase]

Checking the discard pile(s) may be an action but it doesn't move forward the gamestate. You're not playing any cards (which you couldn't do as an Active Pokemon needed to be brought up before the turn could begin) and you're not triggering any effects. It shouldn't take that long to look through the discard pile(s) and then bring up a new Active Pokemon. 30 seconds maybe but nearly a minute and a half? Nah, no way. As this is the finals of Masters we're talking about here, the judges need to be strict in order to be fair. Not to mention how Shintaro had been given multiple warnings by various judges throughout the event to play at a more faster pace and yet he still continued to play slow, thus leading to the prize penalty. The penalty wasn't put on Shintaro unfairly, it was put on him as a result from the many warnings he had been given. To pick out your original response of "I believe the audience's eyes are clear and we can discern the truth." What do you mean by this? That the judges were being out of order? That Shintaro is innocent and should have been the Champion instead? I'm sorry but from the points I have previously stated, which have been said in the video by the commentators. Henry Brand deserved the win. He played fast and efficiently, like a champion should do. I believe the penalty was completed justified and Shintaro deserved the penalty 100%.

[@PoXReal]

@@ProphecyPhrase Thanks for your well written comments, but It is hard to accept its fairness for me. The decision really discredits and doesn't do justice to Henry, the champion, as well.

[@emldV2]

Im a little knew to TCG (or at least true TCG play I used to play it with friends and we didn't know the rules so in other words it was a stupid version of the game) but now that Im learning the rules and stuff. Wouldn't 75 min. be enough even with all the staking he is doing.

[@kennethkinsman453]

I think that was a horrible judge call in Game 1, it’s common for players to take that much time considering their options. But great game regardless

[@DAILYSMAK]

Why does shintaro get to shuffle Henry's deck but Henry only cuts shintaros deck? That shits annoying

[@mikoliism]

I’m just getting back into Pokémon tcg can someone explain what exactly Shintaro did to lose the first game in layman’s terms? Like what do they mean he took to long to promote a Pokémon?

[@bentheredonethat1697]

After his defending pokemon was defeated, he had to decide which pokemon to promote from his bench. Which one he chose could have decided the game depending on his hand and the card he draws. However this was cut short by the judges deciding he took too long to promote a new pokemon, and in combination with penalties and warnings in previous rounds the judges decided to deliver a 2 prize card penalty. This gave the game to Henry as he only needed to win 2 more prize cards to win that game.