Poor Ginger | The People's Court

The plaintiff claims the defendant's vicious dog fatally attacked her pony, so the plaintiff is suing. The defendant insists another animal killed her pony, not his dog.
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[@BeingNicc]

He said he's afraid of his dogs losing their life ... But doesn't care to watch, confine, or control them.

[@GardengateDreamer]

Yet he didn't care that the pony lost its life 😢

[@sherondiacurry6881]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Emberbernal]

Fr because even he said the area is known to have coyotes. If he genuinely believed that and cared about his dog’s life, there would have been a fence

[@jegsvr4976]

I do not understand how Animal Control felt they did not have enough proof if she was able to leash the dogs and they had blood on them. And this Defendant should not even have animals if he has the type of job he stated and is hardly even home or gone for such long periods of time. Obviously, his brother, who lives there is not doing a great job.

[@VladmirPoopN]

They didn't want to deal with the paperwork, or were judgemental based on appearances.

[@chrisdawson7589]

I'd say because he's a firefighter. Thick as thieves the public servants are. You can see it on the KZbin videos of Long Island Audit, Bay Area Transparency in particular. The feelings police... Animal Control is part of police departments.

[@ghosthuntersfan2010]

you'd be surprised at what animal control deems sufficient. the people who lived behind me at first had 8 hunting dogs in an elevated cage, excrement throughout it, animal control was called out several time because of incessant barking, then some time after they were taken out of the elevated cage and given 5 gallon buckets with hay in them to sleep on. Once again animal control says everything was fine. the barking continued and more neighbors complained. the next door neighbor called a tv station and they came out and did a story, I was one of the many neighbors who complained. WHen the animal control guy came back out and then was interviewed by the tv crew he stated that no one had every complained about the dogsbefore,

[@TheAray6]

It could have been coyotes that did it like he said. And his dogs came over and saw the dead animal and raw meat and came over to eat.

[@spacepanda9037]

​@@TheAray6 no

[@adventuresconjuan]

I’m glad she won. Because the defendant seems like an asshole and stuck up …

[@amandadonaldson8748]

He rubbed me the wrong way immediately when JM asked if he lives there, and his was like "How does she know I'm not there? Is she spying on me?" Sounds like it was pretty obvious he wasn't around if his dogs were constantly walking around unsupervised.

[@grifbabe]

amen

[@pammers5588]

@@amandadonaldson8748 Me too

[@pammers5588]

I know

[@Mocharocks9966]

What a smug jerk the defendant is

[@peryole]

He didn't come of that way to me

[@lone.faerie]

​@@peryole The first words out of his mouth "Was she spying on me?" like neighbors don't just see each other around

[@peryole]

@@lone.faerie I would say the same thing if a neighbor was tracking my whereabouts, it's creepy.

[@lone.faerie]

@@peryole "I don't see him around" is not tracking your whereabouts

[@exlesoes]

​@@lone.faerieno she exclaimed "he's never there!" like it's any of her business whether he is or isn't. It was partly her fault for feeding them. If you even watched this episode video. Also his brothers fault too

[@dammitjim9131]

She seems genuine. It's just unfortunate she didn't come better prepared with the receipts for the costs of her loss.

[@shirleywiese5230]

Agree. She was so unprepared. She might could of gotten something for parties income too

[@jennifer134]

The devil appears genuine

[@pammers5588]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@forestgrump4723]

@@shirleywiese5230Yea, if she’d had receipts for 3-4 years from what the pony made from being rented out she probably could have gotten something because it does take a long time to train a pony for that kind of thing, to be perfectly safe around screeching sugar filled children.

[@luispineda9255]

That defendant has no remorse and obvious no heart. No emotions towards a death of a pony. The Plaintiff was not prepared. She should have gotten the receipt of the fence and also a quote for a pony. This is just so sad, poor pony.

[@NubianP6]

I live out in a rural area where people have a lot of land, and some have livestock, and all I can say is that most folks out here wouldn’t have hesitated to shoot both of those dogs, had things really happened the way she says they did. Either way, that guy sounds like an irresponsible pet owner, and he needs to take better care of his animals, or relinquish them to good homes where they will be properly cared for.

[@Black0bsidian]

I’m sure if the lady was there to witness and had a g u n on her she would have protected the pony. The damage was done by the time she got there.

[@deanwinchesterinthedarktower]

I agree that the dogs would have been "taken care of" if they were actually vicious. Boxers aren't big. And if the dogs were getting under the fence, coyotes definitely could have. I think the pony got attacked by coyotes, and the dogs smelled it when they came outside. They got over the fence, and took a bite. But for the husky to have superficial damages tells me there wasn't a huge fight over the pony. Also, a husky in the desert is just rude. Also, they're not really livestock guardian dogs. So that seemed fishy to me that she would have a husky as their LGD. She also said that ponies live to be 40. But their lifespan is really between 20-30 years. She conflated a lot and took advantage of the judge not knowing much about the subject. The guy definitely needs to be held accountable for his dog's getting out at all, though.

[@sjastram]

Agreed. BUT... the horse owner shoukd have installed a better fence as well.

[@AP-uo7sp]

Exactly this. Those dogs were not a threat. Coyotes killed the pony and the dogs probably helped chase them away.

[@humansizedbirdnest9435]

@@deanwinchesterinthedarktower I think you are overestimating the size of coyotes. They aren’t wolves. Not much bigger than boxers and they weigh less, especially coyotes that live in desert regions. Of course a pack of coyotes could take down a pony. But why would they not eat almost any of it. They have very sharp teeth and would have pulled away much more flesh. The muzzle of the horse looks chewed on.

[@seanhallahan9176]

Very much dislike the defendant

[@meghan3713]

Me too 🖐

[@HayleysComet3]

I hate people that don’t take care of their animals properly. Don’t have them if you don’t have time.

[@pammers5588]

@@HayleysComet3 Exactly

[@AC081361]

The judge was so off with the award. Clearly she doesn’t have a clue what training a pony to be a party pony entails or costs. Sometimes I wonder where she gets her “knowledge” about these cases.

[@christynicholas6855]

They should've brought their own estimate.

[@AC081361]

@@christynicholas6855 yes they should have been better prepared but to blatantly disregard the value of the pony because of its age in my opinion is ignorant

[@christynicholas6855]

@@AC081361 Understood!

[@lcwpd52973]

​@margaretakins6829 yes cause the dogs being in her yard COVERED in blood is not evidence of their involvement 🙄

[@Web19814]

​@margaretakins6829 didn't his dogs have blood on them?

[@essflem]

Defendant is a criminal

[@adlifting9824]

Oh my god, my heart dropped to my stomach when she started talking about the pony!

[@skyelersullivan7336]

She said she hadn’t fed them for. A. Year. A YEAR goes by without feeding how was she still enticing anything.

[@AP-uo7sp]

She was lying. I bet she gave them treats everyday because they are friendly dogs. They didn't kill the pony.

[@aprilmorris4588]

To the question of whether two Boxers can kill or mutilate a pony 🐎 the answer is an absolute YES! I actually witnessed this as a child when the neighbor's Boxers came into our pasture and killed one of our goats and a pony. 😭 Decades later, my father-in-law was attacked in his own yard in Yuma. There is no animal control in that area and the Sheriff's Office refused to do anything. Those two dogs came really close to killing my elderly father-in-law and would have if my mother-in-law hadn't come out looking for him.

[@grifbabe]

I am so sorry you had to witness that. Stuff like that lives in the memory forever. I know, been there.

[@pammers5588]

I'm so sorry that you had to experience that. I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding the boxers too.

[@llm4132]

The most unlikable defendant I’ve ever seen on this show.

[@pammers5588]

I was thinking the same thing myself

[@tracylangsley4064]

It wouldn't have taken her five minutes to research the cost of the pony to bring as evidence the thing you need when going to court🙄

[@shaydaslays]

Dang he shouldn't be allowed to have dogs! Poor dogs on so disgusted with the defendant. Dont get a dog you cant take care of let alone get multiple

[@arianefr78]

WHAT? Why is he not responsible for the fence? He is responsible for retaining his dogs on his property and if he doesn't want to put up a fence, then he should pay for at least half of the cost of the new fence that she has had to put up. And even if she fed 'his' dogs it doesn't mean that would encourage them to come on her property to attack (and kill) her pony...

[@cbro2807]

I'm baffled that man has no remorse for what his dogs did. He has low morals and bad character.

[@boomer891]

This guys is a jerk

[@jaxxgirl76]

Happy Thursday!!

[@themadmillionaire]

🙌🏿

[@natasharobinson2008]

TGIT!!!!!

[@lavellecloud9413]

Happy Thursday

[@birdie2010]

I wish people wouldn’t shuffle their papers when she’s talking smh

[@pammers5588]

I'm glad the plaintiffs were able to obtain some compensation for the loss of their beloved pony. My heartfelt condolences to them. I'm appalled at the arrogance of the defendant, especially given his professional occupation.

[@aimeekenney1550]

Defendant makes me sick, what a despicable person.

[@tiffanyadams2956]

I am surprised no one said the obvious: if she fed his dogs and invited them over all the time why only then would the dogs attack and kill the pony?

[@herrerafamily07]

Hello from San Antonio TX

[@deewood6526]

Hes not a responsible pet owner, He knows someone in that office, thats why he wasnt held responsible for the death

[@samanthamiller5298]

This episode pissed my whole soul off! Shame on him, and shame on the judge, for not giving them ANYTHING, for lost wages!

[@mrs.c2628]

He is such a liar with no accountability.

[@MrCharlesEldredge]

First off, I didn't hear anything about any violence from the dogs before the pony attack. It seems that's a good reason to not be terribly concerned. That pony being trained the way it was was worth much more than $1000. As far as guilt goes.... She found the dogs there at the scene covered in blood. Pretty damning evidence in my book. Wish she had taken pictures. But I'm sure she was more concerned about her pony and dog than a future court case. Someone else mentioned the income loss from losing the trained pony. Good point.

[@dantonio65]

Why do people come to court with absolutely no evidence of how their items cost!!? You can’t come to COURT with you hands swinging and shout out a random cost as the value of something ((🤦🏿))

[@LIVEINPEACE2023]

Hi, PC gallery!! 👩‍⚖️ 👨‍⚖️

[@turtleheninny]

It's horrible what happened to the pony and I'm glad she won. It's clear it was the dogs and not a coyote because they were covered with blood.. Having said all that I've NEVER heard of a 40 year old pony..

[@SKOjy113]

I love the three expressions starting from 0:17 of the two different reactions from the females and the one male.

[@satiashaw1857]

His dogs were on her property. She captured them herself. They were covered in blood!! He's a joke. Ridiculous.

[@Meg-my3un]

….how did animal control come to the conclusion that there was no evidence his dog’s killed the pony when there’s literally photos of his dogs covered in blood?!

[@1967davethewave]

While I feel bad for the plaintiff there are hundreds of ponies in every state that are free. So many people buy ponies for the kids or grandkids only to ride once, realize they are too much work and not that much fun and then they will give them away. I live in the country and have actually helped rehome 3 in my life for that exact reason.

[@GingeRenee]

That poor pony. Dogs can and do kill livestock animals. My grandmothers german shepherd got out of her yard and killed her daughters goat who lived next door. They go after the face just like they did to that pony.

[@darylrichardson8567]

She was trying to, steal his dogs & claim he was negligent to them.

[@adrianknight1406]

I love animals. They're far better than people are so these kinds of cases are the most sensitive for me. This situation here is just sad and unfortunate all the way around. Protect all animals which should all have a happy home! No excuses

[@roach-dl8tu]

For once, I actually agree with you. I prefer animals over people any day. People suck 😅

[@Grovel007]

@@roach-dl8tuznever agree with Adrian, it’s a trap.

[@itscollysworld1389]

Aww you being nice 😢🎉

[@lexienri]

Damn Adrian... What you be sayin in these comments typically? 🤣 Got these folks shocked today

[@peryole]

I came to the comments to see how many people would be on Adrian's case for whatever reason.😂

[@xombekiller]

They did her wrong with that thumbnail.

[@angiela3439]

😂🤣 Right...the thumbnail is the only reason why I clicked on...to see WTF is up with her neck😳🤣😂

[@stargirldazzl]

Stole my comment 😂

[@peryole]

I mean common... She had no chin, just face to neck.

[@dismissdetractors3350]

She is lucky to receive anything at all. Though I believe her claim, how do you come to court with no proof of anything you paid for (with the exception of a cancelled check of $250 for the removal of the pony) and at least some horse pricing. In addition, she should have more diligent in her efforts by forcing him to keep his dogs on his property, ie, calling animal control, forcing him to secure his backyard, and etc.

[@barbaraness4507]

I looked it up, and the life expectancy of that kind of pony is only 30 years, and not forty!

[@charlottepalmer4155]

A welch pony life span is 30 years not 40. I think the plaintiff was looking for a payday, plus she wasn't too bright when she said she couldn't believe a boxer would do that to the pony, first these dogs were bred to bring large animals down and second their were in a pack, ALL dogs are dangerous in a pack, it's called pack mentality. The only loser was the pony.

[@cherylbull5278]

The lady with the pony is also on antique road show. 🧐

[@missa1goins]

🫢

[@ericwinenelson5373]

Boxers are aggressive and can kill horses

[@ITSmyOPINIONN]

This case is COMICAL from the JUMP 1:22 😂😂😂😂

[@skyelersullivan7336]

His dogs are COVERED in blood!!!!

[@DiorIvyColaVega]

I Tried Doing The Facial Expression At 3:16 😂

[@Lexisrae122]

trigger warning, dead pony pictures 😢

[@Texaslife98]

grow up

[@kynleechapman7472]

No one owes you or anyone a trigger warning ⚠️

[@cutegunray]

that poor pony i could cry 😔

[@missmelissa1204]

Sad!! :(

[@henrygreenwood3927]

Drives me nuts. You would think someone with so many animals should be smart enough to know not to feed other animals.

[@Jjnnssiinngg]

Absolutely no doubt that boxers would do that. I have a family member who has always had boxers, god knows why. They've all had extreme behaviour problems, trying to lunge at a kids neck, one killed a neighbor's cat, and all just generally very aggressive and unpredictable, and their behaviour tends to get a lot worse when they aren't attended, especially with more than 1. They have way too much energy for irresponsible dog owners, and it seems like that's always who wants them. Boxer people in general always seem oddly weird in the same ways. I've successfully been able to pick them out without actually knowing on many occasions (working in the dog world) it's a strange phenomenon lol. No offense to responsible boxer owners. (Not the "furbaby" type people) Top breed I would not recommend to anyone. Though they are ADORABLE puppies.

[@CoolChill]

Are we not going to talk about how they put their other horse down because it had ptsd

[@chriswash12]

Boxers could not do that if you know the dog and weight and mouth size and biting force you know it’s not ripping nothing off a pony

[@sam-y8t]

The defendant got off super cheap. Watch your damn dogs.

[@itsaboutcrimeofficial]

They both sound irresponsible. Happy to play along when everything was fine.

[@donnawatkins4039]

That's not an animal lover that's an animal horader

[@leofredette19]

Civil court whether it's more likely or not

[@christopherbako]

The Plaintiff won't get by on her Good looks forever.

[@timingenkamp3973]

Yes Harvey, Boxers absolutely do have the jaw strength. Boxers were originally bred to hold onto a bull's cheeks(1 per side), before the farmer castrates the bull.

[@amykuehnl8463]

Ouch! Really? Learn something new every day!

[@jovaanmills2968]

Definitely agree with the lady that it would cost her alot to buy a new one and pay alot of money to get it use to people parties that they make money doing.

[@motorcycleman3470]

Blood all over the dog's face and he says they didn't do it the guy's an a******

[@ainnochaim9450]

That poor pony.

[@kacym.118]

The only reason that I believe his dogs killed the pony was because of the blood on them. However, this is absolutely as much fault her fault as it is his. People these days have to get out of the quote, I love all animals thing if they want farm and country living. What would have stopped these dogs from killing her pony would’ve been had never fed or watered them, and had she shot one or all of them the second they came on her property. I was raised in the country, and as much as I love animals, if a strange dog wandered onto our property, the first attempt to detour them would be to fire a shot in the air. The second time you fired the shot into the dog. But this was back during a time when it wasn’t about kids riding ponies at the circus, it was about surviving based on what you raised. Perhaps if more people would get back to old school farm and country living, they wouldn’t have these problems.

[@AdoreKii]

Hes a horrible person

[@ZovaBe]

She's seriously so difficult to look at

[@ainnochaim9450]

I can't understand why you feel obliged to write that. If you're an adult... wow.

[@Peepeepoopoo5543]

You seem like a doll

[@tonya-mariejablonski8804]

The defendant is a douche....Im sorry she lost her pony and im glad she won...

[@UniverseAvalon]

Rest in peace Ginger :(

[@mikeyh0]

Had there been previous forays by the dogs through the fence? It's clear these folks don't work their animals much.

[@lanivaldez1146]

Something is so off about the defendant .... don't trust him at all

[@maeilive]

I love boxer's and would not want to believe they did it but if they stand beside your horse covered in blood, they did it😢😢

[@inukoko2012]

The defendant is a douche. This makes me sad though because poor pony, also I have a boxer. I grew up around them in the family but I’ve never owned one myself until a couple years ago. Boxers are soo sweet, intelligent, loving and family oriented. They need a lot of attention and seems like the defendant is too busy to take care of them smh.

[@barbaraness4507]

The lady feeding the neighbors dogs gives them mixed emotions. Dogs tend to run in packs. It’s their nature, and that’s why they have to be trained, and contained. You’d be hard pressed to find a Welsh pony that 26 years old that’s worth what she was asking.

[@Dapperbugbear]

I want to know the name of the company who makes the clasp for the plaintiff's necklace because that is one strong clasp!

[@ruobe1]

Did she eat them all

[@Dragonfly-rs8uh]

I have to call bullshit on this one. His dogs were responsible. And he should of had to at least pay half of the fence. Lousy outcome Judge.

[@juliebowes3977]

If the dogs,were hungry,and thirsty,out in the heat,,they coulddefo have done it,as a pack....

[@melissasalvatore-o2e]

😢That poor little pony 😢

[@joesnelson8287]

He thinks he's beautiful

[@meghanwilliams4295]

Just one cat???😮

[@carmenultra1]

wtf is he doing with dogs and he’s never home! ?

[@missylovestroy]

Those dogs did it , no question about it . Dogs are after all unpredictable animals . The defendant is an absolute dick acting the way he did in court , with no remorse.

[@Jaysaflame]

was eating when they showed the pony. 🤢

[@JK-jj9ko]

He is a firefighter who dosent look after his dogs at all and because of this they ended up in the plaintiffs property to kill the pony. His brother dosent even look after the dogs either if he is also living at the home where he is too lazy to give the dogs water. Maybe this firefighter should have these dogs removed from the home and rehomed, because i beleive if an animal is being neglegted which is evident here in this case that the dogs have no water in the desert on a hot day to the point the neighbour is the one providing it. I feel that the plaintif should have gotten more than $2000 because the responsiblity is on both of them which includes the firefighter who owns the dog and took the lazy way and insufficeint way to keep his dogs enclosed and secured on his property. It is evident that he simply didnt give a dam if his dogs did kill the pony. I feel sorry for the dogs that they are being neglegted and for the pony to be killed because of the firefighters and his brothers negligence and complete utter laziness.

[@teriskid3527]

No way a welsh pony lives to 40 years old. At 26, it is close to the end.

[@christopherbako]

Wrong.

[@teriskid3527]

@@christopherbako rarely

[@computerpro123abc]

MILAN WRONG, COST OF FENCE REPLACEMENT IS A SHARED COST

[@Mary_Lee2395]

I feel bad for the plaintiff but I honestly don’t believe her fully and I find it was her fault to because she kept making the boxers feel welcome on her side by feeding them and associating with them daily. I get she feels bad for the dogs but it wasn’t like they were skin and bone. And having to put down a pony because it was having a breakdown? Lol I really don’t believe that. That’s ridiculous and unnecessary. Imagine if humans have to be down for throwing a tantrum and having a breakdown 😂 I’ve seen dogs and cats that go attacking people or continuously have breakdowns and they don’t even get put down smh. And how do you not know the worth of the pony when you own them and claim your an animal lover? Only ones I feel bad for are the animals.

[@exlesoes]

She could have gone to the brother to let him know they need to be fed and need water. Had it really been that dire.

[@Aura983]

I hate the defendent.

[@williammay5532]

So this woman sees three dogs with blood on them and thinks they might have killed her dog and just walks out with three dogs to check on her dog? I don't believe that. She would have called someone.

[@NubianP6]

She thought they may have killed her pony, not her dog, but I agree that she probably would’ve called someone, unless she’d chosen to put them down herself, which a lot of people on farmland would’ve done.

[@vivianpatton5692]

She called the pound or whoever & they came & took his dogs.

[@sonyipod]

He’s killed someone. He looks creepy.

[@irideaunicorn1620]

It's both their fault. Plaintiffs should've put up a better fence on their side. Plus, she should've never started feeding them.

[@burtmann3921]

defendant is strange

[@83kiarra]

He is definitely a jerk....but she got on my nerves too 🙄. Mam don't you have receipts ans estimates for anything

[@carriegarcia4173]

The dogs were probably starving and went for her animals. The defendant is a POS animal owner and person.

[@christinacolasanto530]

the whole time l kept staring at her jawline it looks like it wants to eat her head😮

[@LittleGrain-yg2fy]

The defendant was too busy with his promotion and he didn't care about his own dogs. He is a very selfish man and he did not care about fixing the fen even thought he has the benefit of it.

[@twms-iq4rj]

Where's her neck!? He has No earlobes.

[@kellywilliamson2187]

The Pony lady was totally correct and that defendant was (is) a jerk.

[@grifbabe]

AGREED

[@Lana-ks3et]

She had to go protect her animals so he needs to pay for half the fence

[@firegod117]

He is not obligated to pay for the fence since it was her choice, but he could of been kind enough to participate in the payment of the fence​@@Lana-ks3et

[@lulusgm1]

He's a firefighter with no compassion... that's so weird

[@thealanford4780]

I thought the same thing!!

[@Talking_He4d]

It’s just a title he can flaunt to get sympathy

[@chioniwilliams8]

​@@Talking_He4d I was thinking the same thing

[@VladmirPoopN]

That's why he's a firefighter; to faux fill that compassion hole he's lacking. I'd be willing to bet $1 that his dogs are all rescues as well.

[@DreamDope]

Absolutely weird