DAS BOOT (1981) | FIRST TIME WATCHING | MOVIE REACTION

[@jeanallan8106]

French women who dated German occupiers were considered collaborators. They would be publicly shamed by having their heads shaved, etc. That’s why the secret French fiancé was a big problem.

[@maxsparks5183]

And sometimes killed, especially if pregnant with a hated German baby.

[@Dragonman1OOO]

And that is what shows that in a war both sides are evil!

[@boreopithecus]

And not just in France, the same thing happened in most occupied countries.

[@One_foot_in_the_Grave]

​​@@Dragonman1OOOya sure, war is hell what men can do to the enemy it is brutal however . It was not german or french soldiers that raped and killed or publicly brutalized...It was the baker and the ladies from the cafe, and the guy that runs the cinema projector.... French Civilians... Doing this shit to women of their own nation. It wasn't part of the war. Even the women and girls forced to work in brothels... trying to survive... Were treated as treasonous. It was disgusting. There are videos of some of what they did, but not the worst of what happened to french women at the end of the war.

[@Robalogot]

@@One_foot_in_the_Grave isn't this the absolute simplistic way of telling history... My grandmother saw her father and two brothers executed when the girl next door ratted them out for being in the Belgian resistance. All because she w as partying with her German lover. You deserve all that's coming for you when you're trading the life of your neighbors so you can have a good time partying during the weekend. Not to mention those neighbors were rescuing Jewish families and getting allied soldiers back to England.

[@bandbguitar1791]

I am french. 42 yrs old. Sorry for my english. But i saw my grand father cried only two times. The first one was when we saw together Saving Private Ryan ( Spielberg). The introduction scene was too hard for him. The second one was this movie. Das boot. Young i had to learn german speaking. Why? Because my generation had to be friend with our old ennemy, the germany. I was an erasmus student (exchange), i have many friends: germans, polish, spanish, english and swedish... Europe is no only a politic or economic system... It is a will of peace. Some movies as das boot or the german movie Stalindgrad show to all that every soldier in this war, allies or ennemies, was often just a young guy, afraid, which didn't desserve all these horrors. It was a terrible waste.

[@mrvideostreamer995]

hallo bandbguitar, die anfangsszene von privat ryan ist, dass ich bis heute vom sessel aufstehe und sage NEIN ! diese jungs hatten keine wahl.. ich bin deutscher ü50, in den 80er jahren wurden wir angespuckt auf klassenfahrt in Frankreich und den Niederlanden.. ich konnte und kann das nachvollziehen... . .ich hatte mit ww2 nix zu tun! schönen gruss nach frankreich..🙂

[@markusschenkl7943]

I'm German, 48 years old and I've got friends from all over Europe. I agree, Europe is SO much more than an economic Union! Besides all differences and everything that doesn't work out well within EU, there is more that unites us, so let's keep that spirit of unity and friendship alive!

[@MasqueradeOFAngelsOffical]

@@mrvideostreamer995 I agree with you! You should have spat on their Napoleonic grandfathers and then everyone should split on the English grandfathers from earlier. In the end everyone would be spiting on everyone for every invasion and occupation!. But right now lets hate the Russians........ or Israel i cant remember.

[@jaumetdepalma5347]

Bonjour mon amie. i am a 52 spaniard. I have traveled trough Europe. I was in Germany 8 times and 9 in France. Is nice to see young european people wants peace here. Vive la France 😊 salutations de Majorque😊

[@Why-D]

@bandbguitar1791 wir wissen gar nicht, wie gut wir es haben, dass wir (in der EU) über 75 Jahre Frieden haben. We do not know, how blessed we are (in the EU) to live in peace for 75 years.

[@Gyallarhorn1]

The ending is one reason why this is one of the best, no THE BEST war movies there is. It doesn't leave you with an illusion of heroism and bravery. It just shows how "reality reigns... with cruelty and grandeur."

[@zellhaufen8583]

The final scene was just put in to make it not look like war glorification. The real people actually fared much better on that patrol. The commander lived until 96 years, and Buchheim (Leutnant Werner) also lived until a couple of years ago. U96 was sunk later with a different commander.

[@Old_White_Guy]

I wouldn't call it the best war film. Sure it's one of the top 5, but there are other very good films that are on the same level: I recommend, for example, the film: "Yamato - The Last Battle"

[@w4r7h0g8]

its curious that we germans are just good at WW2 movies, but Das Boot and Downfall are definitly AAA-class movies ...

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Disgusting to feel sorry for Nazi soldiers. Because the historical truth was that the overwhelming majority of the submarine sailors were supporters of the German Nazi government, like since 1936 at the latest was the overwhelming majority of Germans too!

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

reality? This propaganda has nothing to do with reality!

[@gak27scv]

I still VIVIDLY remember seeing this for the first time in the theater with my college friends. None of us were the same afterwards. Harrowing, gut-wrenching, an absolute masterpiece to this day. In my top 5 all-time movies.

[@MarkKlimaszewski]

There is one movie even more brutal, the Russian film; 'Come And See'.

[@larryzigler6812]

@@MarkKlimaszewski No need !!!!!!!!!!! I just watch reports on the idiots current war .

[@marcelrenes2435]

Greetings from the Netherlands. The hardest part I feel, is that they don't rescue the people from the ships they sunk. But to be honest, they did rescue them at the start of the war. It stopped when a U-boat got sunk while trying to rescue men from a ship they sunk of the coast of Africa. The allies started destroying the U-boats because they were at their most vunerable at that time. As a result Donitz ordered his U-boat crews not to rescue people from sinking ships anymore. It's the allies who made this happen.

[@carstentripscha4609]

The pilots who carried out the attack on the U-boat carrying the survivors of the Laconia were awarded medals for bravery... and at the Nuremburg trials the allies tried to use the Laconia Order as evidence against Dönitz... that backfired against them

[@rotorhd2]

My Dad was a Mountie guarding a prisoner of war camp in Alberta...they were treated well and a lot decided to stay in Canada when the war ended. Sad you would think that about the allies.

[@UncleFester84]

Its not about thinking and opinions. Its about historical facts.

[@d.k8746]

the allies commited unspeakable attrocities.

[@mikeflo6459]

@@d.k8746wow. If nazis would just have been nice none of this would of happened. The German people killed so many people and the allies are to blame. Get real

[@hansimuller7494]

I am from Germany and my Grandfather served on a german submarine. His sub was sunken by the Navy in 1941. He and only a few survided and spent 7 Years as a POW in Cannada. He said that this Movie is the most realistic film about the war and submarines. With one exeption: The Lamps hanging from seeling in that supmarine...

[@47Ginter]

@hansimuller7494 It so happens that my father's uncle was also a soldier during World War II, and on top of that, he was a sailor and an officer of the Polish Navy. More: as a captain, from September 17, 1939, he commanded the submarine ORP "Orzeł". Unfortunately, he did not survive the war because his ship was mistakenly sunk by an Allied combat unit (by a Dutch submarine). He went down with the entire crew. As you say well, my friend: it's good that those times are long gone and I hope they never come back, and we can enjoy life, the joy of every peaceful day, and if we met anywhere, we would go to the pub with you and I would drink a beer with you . Greetings from Poland from me, to you and your loved ones.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

It all happened according to Nazi ideology according to which this nation was the masterrace and had the right to enslave and exterminate all “non-Aryan“ nations. After genocidal ethnic cleansing in the conquered territories the now"free" territories should be populated by them. In total they murdered 6 million in Poland. In all, 40 millions Slavs were murdered by the Nazi nation under this plan. Millions of Jews and Gypsies were also murdered. That was this nation's real reasons for war.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

These are the historical facts that refute all your absurd claims about the alleged reasons for the various wars waged by the Germans.

[@hansimuller7494]

@@47Ginter and the crazy thing about the Story of my Grandfather is, he missed to get on Board for the Sup he supposed to have in the first place because he sleept to long. And he was very scared to get to a military cort for that. An captian managed to put hin on a differend Sub. But that original Sup that he was to server on in the first place was sunken by the navy too, and not a Single soul from that Sub ever came back. Thats what i call destiney or the hand of God . I Would Not be here if he was on that first ship

[@pickleman40]

@@hansimuller7494 Sounds like he may have served on U-67, only 3 crew members survived. Kinda curious how they even managed that.

[@robq73]

The scenes where the Chief laughs in exhaustion and joy when the motors start and the next one where the Captain yells in defiance, "not yet, kameraden, not yet!" atop the U-boat gets to me every time. Just enough slow moments of character development to set up and amplify the incredible intensity that followed. A great anti-war movie but without beating the audience over the head with the message. The facial expressions of the actors during the pings was as realistically scary as anything I've seen in any horror movie. A perfect film.

[@mausilugner6637]

When the LI ( *L* eitender *I* ngenieur) falls into this manic laughter, he says a sentence that is unfortunately never translated. "Na wer sagt denn, das Marmelade keine Kraft gibt?!" ("Well, who says jam doesn't give you strength?!")

[@Tommy-he7dx]

For me this is the greatest war movie ever made.....the shear claustrophobia this generates is amazing, the the way it was filmed was perfect. Eff being on a submarine.

[@mjc1389]

I served on 2 US nuclear powered fast attack subs from 1986 to 1992. The best analogy I can give is it was like living on a a large passenger jet with no rows of seats or windows obviously and jammed full of electronics. That’s the closest thing I’ve experienced in civilian life. Modern subs are much bigger and much more comfortable than WWII subs. You still are somewhat cramped but it’s very bright (except for the control room at periscope depth and berthing). There’s adequate bathrooms and showers (most of the time). The foods pretty good but you do run out of “fresh” food fairly quickly and everything is canned, powdered or frozen from there. Yes, modern subs have refrigeration and freezers. Modern subs dive much deeper and are much faster underwater than their WWII counterparts. Being at sea is very monotonous most of the time, you very much fall into a dull routine and that’s a good thing. I went through a flooding incident and 2 different fires while serving both fortunately handled exceptionally by the crew and that’s the kind of excitement you don’t want on a sub. Loved what I did in the Navy but hated being in the military itself. In hindsight I should have stuck it out for 14 more years and retired but I did get to see a lot of the world so it’s a trade off.

[@stvdagger8074]

While modern USN nuclear subs are much bigger, Diesel subs used by other countries are much smaller. I visited the INS Gal at the naval musuem in Haifa and it is tiny, It is smaller (420tons) than the type VII (769 tons)

[@the_omg3242]

If you didn't really like military life "sticking it out" for another 14 years seems like a pretty miserable life just to get to a decent retirement.

[@brentaughe7539]

@@the_omg3242I just retired myself after 21 plus years. The amount I make now with my retirement check, I get way more than I did if I stayed in. Glad I served but happy that’s it’s over

[@Johnny_Socko]

I think I would be capable of serving on a modern-day USN sub, but WWII subs get a "hell no" from me. I'm not particularly claustrophobic, but they were just so _uncomfortable._ I toured a museum sub, and it was so incredibly cramped -- every piece of equipment on that thing was ready to bruise you or concuss you. Plus, you were guaranteed to be freezing cold or boiling hot, depending on the deployment. The submariners of the past have got my undying respect. (And those of the present as well, that is one hell of a job.)

[@ingothitrust5248]

Submarine sailors are a class unto themselves. Everyone is consummately trained to know EVERY job on the sub, especially in the case of combat or emergencies if people get injured or sick, so there is no need to waste time by delegating and figuring out who does what. Earning those "Dolphins" is definitely something to be proud of.

[@schiebi1]

One of the reasons the movie feels so claustrophobic is that they built a 1:1 model of the submarine and the actors learned how to move around in it. Even the camera had to make its way through the cramped space of basically a real german U-Boot from the Second World War. There were a lot of bruises while filming. You can visit the set at the Bavaria Filstudios near Munich.

[@1xur]

Now that you are taking German speaking movies to your selection, have you considered watching Downfall from 2004? It's an unglorified story about the rise and (down)fall of WWII era Germany and its leader. You have watched a lot of war movies from the allied point of view, and it might be interesting to see the war from the German perspective, what led to it, and how it all fell down in the end.

[@avsbes98]

Yes please! "Downfall" and "Sophie Scholl - The Last Days" are absolutely worth a watch.

[@chrisronan676]

Down Fall is excellent.

[@John-je8pg]

Perhaps Fritz Lang s M with Peter Lorre too.

[@berlin990]

Stupid movie

[@thomasstorch4266]

Stalingrad is another great movie of World War II.

[@xandercall9968]

To answer your question at 37:22, it famously happened once. One of the captains of U-505 (one of the last surviving WWII U-boats, now a museum, which you can visit today in Chicago) suffered a total nervous breakdown in the middle of a heavy depth charge attack, and ended himself with his service pistol in front of his officers. In the middle of this, with bombs still bursting around the sub, one of the other officers took command of the boat and guided it to safety. If you're ever in Chicago, definitely go see U-505; it's a fascinating exhibit with an absolutely crazy backstory.

[@MarcGrafZahl]

Fun fact: The actor in the role of Leutnant Werner, Herbert Grönemeyer, left acting shortly afterwards and concentrated on music. He became the best-selling artist in Germany (later overtaken only by Ed Sheeran) with 11 nº1 studio albums in a row.

[@soundofeighthooves]

only to become a left wing lunatic

[@jamesbednar8625]

Awesome reaction!!! There was an incident in 1942 or 1943 (cannot remember) in the South Atlantic along the African coast where a German U-boat torpedoed a British passenger liner RMS LACONIA with over 2500+ passengers/crew. The ship did not sink right away. The U-boat commander decided to surface and provide assistance to the ship by deploying life rafts, having the freighter crew placed on the deck of the U-boat, having the ships life boats tied up alongside the U-boat and having some in tow, MARKED the U-boat with red cross flags, and even signaled the nearest the Allied naval base what was going on and to assist in the rescue of the ships survivors (he even radioed his own headquarters as well). Additional German, Italian, and even Vichy French submarines that were in the immediate area arrived to render assistance. Well, the Americans being sort of new to the war, sent out a B-24 Liberator bomber to check out the situation. The bomber arrived on-site and saw a German U-boat SURFACED with all these survivors of the ship on board (the liner eventually sank by that time) and clearly MARKED with non-combatant flags. Well, the American pilot/crew saw an EASY target and decided to strafe/bomb the U-boat and other submarines instead of dropping supplies. The U-boat commander signaled the American aircraft numerous times that he was conducting a humanitary mission, but the American plane kept attacking. The U-boat commander quickly conducted a crash dive (even with the survivors still on the submarines deck) and got out of the area as quickly as that U-boat could go while submerged (some sources even say that a few rafts that were tied to the U-boat and had survivors in them were pulled underwater as well). Some survivors were killed/injured during the air attack. The allied naval base sent ships out to the location of the sinking and conducted rescue missions of what was left of the survivors in the water and also conducted a rather vigorous search for the U-boat and other submarines. The U-boat eventually got away and reported the incident to their headquarters. After that incident reached higher-ups, U-boat commanders were FORBIDDEN to ever again render any type of aid/assistance to any Allied ship (thus the reason for the scene in the movie where the U-boat commander just fired a torpedo to finish off that ship and just watch the ship's crew die or jump into the water - think this movie & book takes place in late 1942 or early 1943). Also, when I was growing up in the 1970s a neighbor of a friend of mine served on a merchant ship. His ship was torpedoed/sunk in the North Atlantic. He and about 10 other crewmembers were able to get into a lifeboat and float around the North Atlantic for something like 45-days or so. Once eventually rescued, this guy was the ONLY survivor in the lifeboat. Have heard stories of this guy waking up terribly screaming and covered in sweat from his ordeals.

[@steffenjonda8283]

It is called "the laconia incident. U-156 Hartenstein sunk the british troop ship HMS Lanconia. In it were had been 1800 italian prisoners, most of them died because their guards did not allow them to leave their cells. In the aftermatch around 1400 People survived en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident It gives a clear picture WHO was the evil in this war at the sea.

[@juliaforsyth8332]

The Bomber crew actually reported this back to their Superior Officer who decided that destroying the U-Boat was , despite the civilians, a better choice so there was one less U-Boat to sink ships. Collateral damage.

[@ramjb]

The movie is set in 1941, well before the Laconia incident. The Laconia incident was exceedingly uncommon (and obviously, never repeated), and there were many factors behind why the german submarine tried to give assistance (that there were a good number of lifeboats to put survivors on being a quite important one, other than a lot of the survivors being italian POWs at a time when Italy was a german ally), that there weren't present in the movie.

[@steffenjonda8283]

@@ramjb A lot of crap. The german submarine soldier did the right thing. They tried to rescue as much people as possible. They fought a war, but had no interest in killing the innocent. Compared to the USN and Royal Navy with their "incidents", slaughtering thousends or hundreds of axis soldiers in a worse situation. Not only had they basically no rescue boats, still the a§§holes machinegunned, fired their cannon on this (US-case) and only the bravery of an italian torpedo boat saved a thousend german soldiers near crete.

[@felixmustermann790]

@@steffenjonda8283 or the time the british navy sank half of the french navy infront of the suez just because they didnt want Vichy France (legitimate france at that time) to have a fleet despite its starting neutrality

[@a5cent]

In the US we don't make real anti-war movies. Our movies glorify military heroism. There's almost always a happy ending. This is one of the rare exceptions. It's what an actual anti-war movies looks like. The Germans, having been on the losing end of the largest war in history, and having struggled to work through their past, are uniquely positioned to make this sort of art. From WW2, we Americans took that military violence is a viable solution to geopolitical problems. The Germans learned the opposite, which to this day has a huge influence on both societies.

[@quietschbaer]

I wouldn't say that. "Deer Hunter" or "Casualties of war" aren't really glorifying war. WW 2 was/is a german trauma. Vietnam is American's. I don't know an american film, that glorifies the Vietnam war.

[@a5cent]

@@quietschbaer You make a good and understandable point. Still, there are examples of such films, like "The Green Berets", but that is admittedly an anomaly. However, I'd still say most US war films, even when connected to the Vietnam conflict, are not anti-war films. They tend to focus on the heroism of our soldiers (We were Heroes) and in almost all, the violence serves as the primary entertainment proposition, in and of itself. That strongly undermines any claim of wanting to be an anti-war film. Many of these US "anti-war" films, would leave an extremely bitter aftertaste if presented as WW2 movies to German audiences. There is a difference. The differences are also made visible in how our societies changed as a result of those failures. Germany became almost a pacifist state. We became the opposite, where every problem looked like a nail for our primary geopolitical hammer (the military). In the US, the primary societal concern was how to prevent or suppress such strong anti-war sentiments from developing again. That conern was a big part of why we got rid of the draft. We also noticed a very strong push to never again criticize returning soldiers. During Vietnam, soldiers were still held responsible for the government policies they fought for. Today, that sentiment is entirely gone. We thank all soldiers for there service, no matter how much we disagree with the political agendas they faught for. These societal shifts are all very much pro-war, not anti-war, and the subjective messaging in our films reflects that. The differences can be subtle. I myself only realized after living outside the US for a couple years.

[@danieljones7843]

47:54 the lack of sunlight for the entire patrol caused them to turn pale. The crazy thing is none of that is makeup. Wolfgang Peterson was all about accuracy. The cast were not allowed to go outside for the entire filming just so their natural skin tans would eventually fade away like what really happened on actual u-boat patrols.

[@johnislander7956]

At 31:00 they are shocked when they realize that there is still crew inside the burning cargo vessel. They thought they were just torpedoing an empty wreck. To their horror the brtish had not evacuated the sinking ships of the convoy eventhough they would have had hours to do that. And they feel awfully sorry for the drowning men because they obviously cannot rescue them in the cramped submarine. Thats why some begin weeping.

[@Venejan]

Do you have any idea why they would torpedo a burning, derelict ship? It's obviously beyond repair, and it seems like an insane waste of a valuable torpedo.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@Venejan perhaps still salvageable tho

[@mikeforester3963]

Thing is, in the historical months before, several U-boats were indeed attempting to rescue shipwrecked sailors, surfaced, launched rafts and gathered the stranded on the wet deck. They raised the red-cross flag, just to fell victim to sorties by RAF fighter-bombers who apparently didn't give two cents of a thought that they were attacking their own side with board cannons. After a few fatal incidences like this, High Command of the submarine forces issued the order which is discussed in the film.

[@MaticTheProto]

@@mikeforester3963 yup.

[@johnislander7956]

@@mikeforester3963 reasonable

[@jimcrowley3424]

The finest submarine film ever made. Tense, exciting, and full of excellent acting and writing all around. The ending is indeed cruel (especially after all that) but it really helps communicate the futility of war, especially from the other side.

[@hb8718]

Actually the movie is based on a book written by the reporter. The original captain survived and was an captain of german merchant vessels after the war. He actually captained the first and only merchant ship with nuclear power plant. The sailors actually look that sickly when they return to port because the actors were not allowed outside during filming. Since submariners at that time suffered from lack of sunlight and malnourishment. To emulate this the director forbid the actors to go outside and kept them only inside for the duration of the making of that movie. On a sad note, of the 40.000 U-Boot Sailors, 30.000 stayed at sea. This makes the german U-Boats the second most dangerous job during all of world war two. The only type of troops that had higher death rates were the japanese Kamikaze.

[@irishinnj72]

Actor Jürgen Prochnow who played the Captain, also played Duke Leto in the 1984 Dune movie.

[@AliceBowie]

He was in The Mouth of Madness, and Fire Walk With Me as a woodsman with the other black lodge beings above the convenience store. Among other stuff, the Keep, Beverly Hills Cop II, and the Stalone Judge Dredd film. The Lynch Dune was great, even if Dino Di Laurentis' daughter kinda of had it edited it to death.

[@ForceMaximus84]

I’ve also seen him in Beverly Hills Cop II, Judge Dredd and Beerfest, where he did a parody scene of Das Boot where his character is on a submarine and he talks about “having a bad experience in one of these”.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@AliceBowie _Air Force One_ and _The Seventh Sign._

[@stvdagger8074]

@@ForceMaximus84 He was also in "Wing Commander" , a sci-fi film based on a videogame. There is one scene where Jurgen is in command of a spaceship hiding on an asteroid from enemy starships. It was clearly inspired by Das-Boot, down to the pinging that thge enemy ships make trying to find Jurgens U-Spaceship.

[@ForceMaximus84]

@@stvdagger8074 I saw that in the theater and forgot he was in it. I just remember Freddie Prinze Jr., Matthew Lillard, David Warner and the girl (I forgot her name).

[@thomasnieswandt8805]

Two (fun) facts ...Idk if anyone said it yet, 1. In the beginning, you have drunk Captain Thomsen....actor Otto Sander was actually drunk, while filming that scene. 2. The Bar in the beginning is a real Bar in france. One day, after filming Martin Semmelrogge (actor of the 2nd officer) and Ralf Richter (actor of Frenzen) got high on LSD, put on their Na*i-Uniforms and went into that bar. Before the frensh could beat them up, actor Jan Fedder saved the situation by ripping Semmelrogges uniform

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Yes, to deny the guilt of them for the Second World War and to blame other nations for this war suits very well to the whitewash. But this whitewashing doesn't work because only this nation was responsible for the Second World War.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

They wanted to conquer these Slavic territories in order to carry out the insane genocidal plan which they called "Master Plan for the East! ("Generalplan Ost"). According to this insane genocidal plan they wanted to exterminate a large part of the Slavic population in the occupied Slavic territories and enslave a small part. In addition, all Jews and Gypsies in these areas were to be murdered.

[@praeceptor]

Nett.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

@@praeceptor Yes, nice propaganda!

[@praeceptor]

@@GreatPolishWingedHussars The outcome was foreseeable. Enjoy your time in derangement and primitivity.

[@Markus117d]

They don't full zoom ahead, Because going faster makes more noise, Giving the destroyer more chance to track them, And the subs full zoom is slower than the destroyers full zoom ..

[@Airwolf515]

Here is the interesting fact that I learned from "The Das Boot" film makers after watching the 25th anniversary documentary a couple of years ago. The filming of "Das Boot" was delayed for a few days because the film's main prop, the U-boat, was missing! The German film crew yelled, "where is our U-Boat?!!!" Somebody forgot to tell them that the U-boat was given priority for usage to "some Hollywood production lead by Steven Spielberg". As a reminder, "Das Boot" was released in 1981. 1981 was the same release year as (drum roll🥁) ........"Raiders of the Lost Ark". The U-boat that appeared in the first Indiana Jones movie where it stops the merchant ship carrying Indy and the Ark was the same submarine used in "Das Boot". Crazy! Lol😆

[@simsch97]

15:40 the reason why they can't shoot torpedoes from below periscope depth is that they need to visually see their target to actually get a proper solution for the shot and technically it was not really possible for several reasons. Only at the very end of the war there was a new type of U-Boot that was supposed to be able to launch torpedoes effectively from bigger depth due to a better hydrophone and better torpedoes and so on. But the war ended before they got that technology into service.

[@danieljones7843]

24:25 u-boats are VERY slow under water and if you try go as fast as you can, the destroyer will pick up the noise of the propellers. You have to try stay as silent as you can and try to trick the destroyer into heading away from you by being unpredictable and changing direction all the time.

[@theprime6489]

Best submarine movie ever!

[@hjhuber7929]

This movie jump started alot of careers: the captain became a Hollywood fixture, the director later made movies likr Never ending story, Air force one Troy...almost every main character became an A list actor in Germany and Europe. Thd guy with the red beard is Herbert Grönemeyer, one of the most successful German singers with over 30 million albums sold.

[@danieljones7843]

15:38 the u-boat has to be at periscope depth for both the torpedo to run at the right depth by the time it reaches the target and so they can see the destroyer to plot its range, speed and course to have any hope of scoring a hit. The Germans did however have at one point a torpedo that was guided by a hydrophone. It would steer itself to the loudest noise it could hear with the intension of the torpedo steering itself into the destroyer’s propellers. It backfired a few times when the u-boat’s propellers were picked up by the torpedo instead…

[@wolf310ii]

No, it didnt backfire, there is not a single case of a german u-boat getting hit by its own accustic torpedo.

[@quietman71]

Not just one of the best war movies of all time, it's a good contender for the best horror movie ever made.

[@dennis12dec]

I've visited the set of "Das Boot " at the Bavaria Film Studios in Munich everything is real even the Depth Gauge and the Uboat pens that still stands today in La Rochelle, France.

[@Chamomileable]

One of the best war movies ever. The acting, the direction, the music, the subject matter. It all comes together perfectly. And a "destroyer" is a naval destroyer. They usually pack big guns and defend other ships. Anti-submarine depth charges are basically like bombs. They sink and explode, dealing damage with concussive force. Exploding the crew's ear drums, rupturing the blood vessels in their eyes, killing them like crushing a tin can full of worms. And that's if they're not close enough to cause breaches and tear the hull apart.

[@esajuhanirintamaki965]

Destroyer in German is "Zerstörer". Twin-engine heavy fighter airplanes, such as Messerschmitt Bf 110 was called too as "Zerstörers". So, anti-submarine sea vessels were Zerstörers too. Later Bf 110 earned its spurs as night fighters, equipped with radar equipment (with radar operator, as third crew member). As day escort fighter Bf 110 was a heavy failure (especially during the "Battle of Britain" in 1940). Single seated and more agile Spitfires and Hurricanes ate Zerstörers as easy prey. Single seated fighter planes was called as "Jagdflugzeuge" in Germany (literally "hunting aeroplanes").

[@gi0nbecell]

One of the greatest German movies ever made. In fact, there are 3 versions of this movie: the cinematic release (1981, 149 minutes) the Director‘s Cut (1997, 200 minutes on the DVD release and 208 minutes on the Blu-Ray release) and a TV mini series (1985, total run time 309 minutes). This movie is perfectly cast with some great actors and even a young Herbert Grönemeyer, who would become one of Germany‘s most famous singers - he is the second-most commercially successful contemporary musical artist in Germany, his sales are only bested by Ed Sheeran (so he _is_ the most successful _German_ contemporary musician, measured in sales). One huge factor in the claustrophobic atmosphere of the movie is due to the score, composed by one of Germanys greatest film composers who chose to stay in Germany (in contrast to Hans Zimmer or Klaus Badelt, who took the route of Max Steiner and Erich Wolfgang Korngold and left the smaller and less paid EUropean market for greener pastures in Hollywood): Klaus Doldinger. The title theme of the movie with its sonar pings throughout already creates this condensed and thrilling temper the movie will later delve into. Basically every German knows at least one theme he wrote (but many still wouldn‘t know his name): The title theme of the most successful German tv police procedural, _Tatort_ („crime scene“). Also, for filming they built most of the U-Boot as a model, it it really as tight as it appears in the film, so on purpose, the camera will not (and can not) move around the actors rushing through the corridors. The set is displayed in the visitors‘ experience of Bavaria Film Studios near Munich, you can even walk through it yourself. If you are a movie fan, I can highly recommend paying the experience a visit, many important German and European movies and series were (co)produced there - including _The Neverending Story,_ (side note: the movie for this film was also composed by Doldinger) and they display Fuchur, the Luck Dragon there. Bavaria Film exists since 1919 and has produced prestigious films that may even be known outside of Europe, such as _Der Baader Meinhof Komplex_ (2008, about the left extremist group RAF), _Das Parfum_ (2006, a novel adaptation of the famous historic thriller by the same name written by Patrick Süskind), _Der Untergang_ (2004, about the last days of Adolf Hitler - probably the most well known film internationally) and even the first completed movie directed by Alfred Hitchcock: _The Pleasure Garden_ (1925).

[@christianjohnson9190]

25:18 Das Boot was portrayed on the U-96 on its 7th patrol. u-96 is a Type VIIC (Type 7c) uboat (underwater boat). The type 7 was the workhorse of the German navy during ww2, their design were used to travel on the surface at a top speed of +17 knots (32.8 kmh/ 20 mph) using diesel engines, which is what they would do majority of the time (these were boats that can dive underwater for a short time of about 24 hrs before the oxygen slowly turns into carbon dioxide). Their top speed under water is a very slow 7 knots (14 kmh/ 8 mph) if they were to “zoom past” they will dry up their battery supply in minutes and that will be a death sentence for someone under attack.

[@dernwine]

A German Submarine could manage 20mph on the surface, and 8mph when under water. The typical speeds for Convoy escorts was around 23-28mph, while some of the faster Destroyers could reach 40+mph. Physically they can't outrun the British Destroyers, and the faster they move the more noise they make, so their best bet is to move as slowly and quietly as they can and try to hide.

[@Bonsai61]

It seems to me the film swept you into the depths of your soul. That's probably what happened to everyone who saw the film. The film was released in German cinemas in 1981. I saw it at that time and a few more times on TV. Every time cold shivers ran down my spine. The end is heartbreaking. The film was nominated for 6 Oscars but won none because the war between Iran and Iraq was taking place at the same time. The submarine U96 really existed and, as in the film, was sunk in an Allied attack in the harbor of Wilhelmshafen. The trip was largely based on the original experiences of the real U-96. However, the real boat captain, Lieutenant Captain Klaus Hoffmann, survived the allied attack and died in 1986 at the age of 74. The film shows the cruelty of WW II. Parts of the film sets and equipment can still be viewed today in the Bavaria Film Studios in Munich.

[@stevetheduck1425]

The part of the story not mentioned was that the U-Boats were coming under attack more often and being sunk more often because of the now famous code-breakers in Britain. Radio reports by the U-Boats were being read within a couple of days of them being sent. Convoys were sometimes re-routed, and likely concentrations of U-Boats would have a few more destroyers after them. It was a fantastic collection of code-breaking, mathematics and statistics. The battle actually went back and forth, as the U-Boats gained a better code machine, while the Allied destroyers gained better RADAR and ASDIC acoustic submarine detection... then the U-Boats gained snorkels so they could refresh their air and recharge their batteries without surfacing, then the British RADAR was improved and could detect the snorkels, and 'hedgehog' and 'squid' bomb-throwers that meant explosive charges could be fired at U-Boats without sailing right over them... this battle hasn't really ended, either. It continues now that nuclear-armed missile submarines can surface and shoot missiles at cities with about two minutes warning.

[@derchristianausffo]

Fun Fact: U-Boats in WWII were very much different from the Nuclear Submarines, that have been build later on within the Cold War Period. They were smaller, slower, Diesel powered and much more dangerous to operate with. Even US-American Boats didn#t became that much more advanced until 1944 when the Balao-Class was introduced into the War for the Pacific. And even those Subs weren't the best of the best. The probably most advanced Submarine in WWII, by far, was actually built in Germany; it was the Type XXI U-Boat.

[@ramjb]

American submarines on average were much larger than german U-boote. Twice the displacemente of Type VIIs and almost 50% more than Type IXs. Only outliers like the Type IXD2 compared in size (and still were smaller) with american fleet boats. They were generally more capable as a result, which hardly comes as a suprise. With that much extra displacement american subs had much better living conditions (including luxuries such as air conditioners and refrigerators), far better range (must have for cross-pacific patrols the americans knew their fleet boats would have to conduct), a much larger torpedo tube count (particularily so from the Tambor class onwards with the 6-4 tube dispositions. Germans only had 4-1 on the type VIIs, and 4-2 in the type IXs), much higher surface top speed (21 knots vs 17), etc American subs had some drawbacks too. Larger displacement meant larger size: they were easier to be spotted on the surface. Bigger size also meant their diving times usually were quite longer than on german submarines. And for the most part no american sub could dive anywhere as deep as the contemporary german subs (other than the tench class, american fleet subs had test dephts of around 90m. Tench meanwhile was tested for 120m. Crush depths were calculated to be around the 150m mark for most fleet boat classes with the Tench was calculated to be at circa 180m. In the meantime german subs routinely dived down to 150m already in 1940, with calculated crush depths of around 250m. More in latewar models.)

[@roborobo3340]

@@ramjb Yes, built for longer (Pacific Ocean) patrols.

[@fedecano7362]

I love her genuine, cute, kinda naive reactions to whats happening, like her saluting to Thomsens uboat or asking if the translation was right for a really gross joke. You have my like !

[@roydalezobel4946]

For most of the actors it was their first major movie and all of them became successful after this movie. Some of them to this very day. War correspondent Werner (the redhead) is played by Herbert Grönemeyer, one of the most successful German musicians.

[@victoriah.2083]

What is so crazy to me is how the USA & GERMANY are now Allies along with JAPAN. This movie is a MASTERPIECE.

[@wsbchk_]

Not really. Germany is occupied by US forces and does the US bidding in everything it does.

[@kelvinmeneely3116]

@@wsbchk_ total bs,"occupied by US forces" eg...the West / Western mindset are slowly waking up to the fact that communism and Islam are the biggest threat's to humanity today and in the future.

[@paul8158]

It's occupation indeed. 30 bases in Germany, 30! It is not friendship nor real Alliance. You can see in slow-mo now, how the US is pushing it's "Allies" in Europe into war with Russia. They are pawns on the grand chessboard... but the US is in hubris...pretty much in hubris. The cool brain on the other side thinks some steps ahead, be aware! European figureheads are just US-bought puppets betraying their people like Vasalls always do. It is not in the European people's interest to escalate this war.

[@wuestenfuchsxy]

@@wsbchk_ get out of here, dont talk bs.

[@wsbchk_]

@@wuestenfuchsxy Nein

[@Geyer70]

Best version ist the TV-series cut. 309 minutes at 2 DVDs. This version shows a lot of the characters and everyday life on board. It was broadcasted on German TV and British BBC in 1984/85.

[@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684]

And still available on something that rhymes with "titborent".

[@Schnappatmer0815]

jürgen prochnow is one of my favorite actors till today. i remember his legendary role in dune. one of my favorite films till today.

[@JohnsonNorthman]

It's a anti war Movie,not a war Hero Movie!!! Greetings from Germany!😁🇩🇪

[@DanielPaast]

short explanations. these submarines were diesel-electric. i.e. no diesel engine under water because there is no air for combustion engines. Electrically they were very slow and the batteries were weak and quickly drained, no chance of escaping a destroyer at speed. All you could do was sneak away. By the end of the war the British had so developed their sonar that there was almost no hiding. One way to escape the depth charges was to dive deeper than the boat could actually handle and hope that the destroyer set their detonators too shallow. another is to hide in the wake of the destroyer, i.e. in its own noise. If the destroyer did not have an accurate bearing, it dropped the depth charges in a fixed pattern. Experienced captains knew this pattern and knew when and where in the water column to position their boat. Another danger was that with increasing depth and pressure, the effective radius of the depth charges increased, while the hull integrity decreased, meaning they could tolerate less. A depth charge didn't have to hit directly, nearby was enough. Btw. if you ever get to Munich, Bavaria Studios, you can experience this yourself. the whole mock-up they filmed in, is on display. At least it was when I was a child.

[@chetstevensq]

If you are ever in Chicago you must visit the Museum of Science and Industry because they have the only captured WWII German U-boat the U505 which was captured on the high seas before the Germans could scuttle it. Remarkable story and as you tour it you see just how cramped the living conditions were in this movie.

[@40hup]

There were actually a lot of german u-boats (type VII / IX) available to the allies after the capitulation since they surendered to the next harbours, but they were either used for target practice (of course without any crew) or scutteled in the months and years after the war. Only very few made it as museum pieces.

[@chetstevensq]

@@40hup "captured on the high seas"

[@Yggdrasil42]

That’s the one where the captain shot himself during a nervous breakdown while they were being depth charged right? First officer took over and led them to safety.

[@40hup]

@@chetstevensq which makes it different to other museum u-boat how exactly?

[@chetstevensq]

@@40hup Well, if PiB wanted to visit one her choices would be to go to Chicago, England or Germany. So it is different as it is the ONLY ONE IN AMERICA. Also it has actual footage of the capture so in that instance it is unique among the 4 remaining U-boats on public display. (edit to add) Now go troll elsewhere.

[@matthewkeating120]

Something to note, they can’t travel very fast under water as they can only use battery power which is why they were sitting ducks. On the surface, they can use their engine which makes them much faster.

[@EdgyNumber1]

31:43 ... Yes. Never ask an annoying question like that, especially to your captain. 😆

[@Reemoun]

Me as a german born I also recommend to watch 'The Downfall' (Der Untergang).

[@BahMah-z9b]

Spars dir

[@bastiangugu4083]

I don't know if it is still possible, but in the past you could visit the original Boot in the Munich film studios. Going through this thing gives you an accurate impression of how cramped it was. The guide told us, that for every scene, regardless of who was seen in it, the whole crew was on board in addition to the camera-operator and so on. The actors didn't have to act to a degree, as it was as claustrophobic and smelly as the real thing. And they shook the entire U-boat on a kind of seesaw contraption for the action scenes. You could get injured. For the waves over the conning tower, they build a slide with a tank on top. For each wave, about 10 tons of cold water crashed down. Initially, they wanted to use warm water, but as it was February this fogged up the lenses. So they switched to cold water without telling the actors. The reactions were genuine. 🙂 As a side -note: The film is based on a book written by a war correspondent, who participated in a mission on such a boat. My great-grandfather served in the German navy on U-Boats in WWI and WWII. He didn't talk much about that time. But as he came home both times, whether his wife nor his daughters recognized him. The hardships left their mark on him. The film is one of the greatest achievements of German cinema and one of the best war movies of all time. Totally different but also great is "Where eagles dare". Filmed on location with practical effects only. Another masterpiece.

[@Sting60000]

51:33 „The guestˋs“ real name was Lothar-Günther Buchheim. This film is based on his lived experiences.

[@tillposer]

19:41 The song "J'attendrai", I will wait, was one of the most popular songs in France during the occupation, symbolising the French Nation waiting for its salvation in the guise of a French woman waiting for her absent (soldier) husband. The irony that it seems to be the Kaleu's favourite song is very thick here.

[@40hup]

Irony - maybe, but most likely not naive. They are also listening to british songs ("the Tipperary song") - and allied soldiers were known to listen to the english version of "Lili Marleen", a popular german song during the war. They all knew what the songs meant. I'd rather call that a general sharing of feelings between soldiers across borders, wanting peace and everybody going home.

[@LukelearMissile]

No doubt others have tackled these things in the comments, but I just wanted to throw in a few bits rattling around in my head... To my knowledge, the two roles with the least life expectancy during WWII were being RAF Bomber Command aircrew during the night-time bombing raids over occupied Europe, and being crew on a U-boat. At the point in the movie, when they were trying to evade the destroyer, you asked why they didn't go full throttle and run away: Though the German U-boats were surprisingly advanced for their time, they were slow when compared to a destroyer. On the surface, the top speed of a Type VII U-boat, as is portrayed in the movie, is just under 18 knots. Underwater, it is only 8 knots. Not only is that nowhere near fast enough to outpace a destroyer (some of which could do over 30 knots), running the propellers at max speed would make a lot of noise and would make it very easy for the destroyer to hear them. A destroyer hunting a submarine could be a very cat-and-mouse affair, with the U-boat trying to stay as quiet and as deep as possible to avoid detection by passive sonar. Of course, the destroyer could also ping with active sonar, but it helps to know what general direction it thinks the U-boat might be in, so staying silent was paramount. And yes, they really did have to whisper. Passive sonar can be quite sensitive, and back during WWII, it was absolutely possible for it to pick up the sound of people talking inside a submarine. Even on submarines from the 80s and 90s, something as simple as the returning of an intercom mic to its holder could create a click sound that could pass through the hull and be heard under the right circumstances. Oh, and regarding the torpedoes and why they took so long to hit: They would often be launched from several hundred metres away, and aimed at where the target was calculated to be when the torpedo got there. The target's length, course, speed, draught and angle in relation to the sub had to be determined to properly aim a shot. If there was a mistake, or the target changed course or speed after firing, the torpedo could miss, and many did. But yes, Das Boot is lauded as one of the best and most realistic portrayals of WWII submarine warfare, and your reactions showed that the movie did its job well. Awesome stuff.

[@CiPhEr505]

Since U-boats couldn't use airbreathing diesel engines underwater, they had electric engines, which were single digit mph slow. The Uboat goal of escaping a destroyer was a chess match to be undetectable. Destroyers initially used hydrophones to detect U-boats and carpet bombed the sea with depth charges. When a propeller spins too fast in the water it makes noise. Thus, depth - the more time it takes for depth charges to reach the depth, the easier it is to scoot out of the way, while using less engine speed.

[@Gritschy]

The true horror of war will probably never be conveyed. But this movie is very close. Little text, only a few names, endless scenes but you stay glued to the screen. I love how you react as a much younger person. Just like I did in the 80's. Take care

[@oilfortheworld]

I've watched it at least 50 times. It not only features the best actors from Germany, but also Herbert Grönemeyer, one of our best German singers. The boat that was used to shoot the movie was on display in Germany. You could go on it and we were very impressed by the hydraulics and the water. It was like an amusement park. All I can say about the movie is that there's nothing worse when you know you're not going to survive for long because most submarines didn't make it and the soldiers knew it.

[@Dularr]

The Enemy Bellow shows American Destroyer vs. U Boat.

[@StuartKoehl]

And the inspiration for an episode of Star Trek TOS, the one in which Mark Leonard plays the Romulan Commander.

[@Dularr]

@@StuartKoehl Balance of Terror

[@StuartKoehl]

@@Dularr Yes.

[@jochentram9301]

Oh, as a technology comment . . . . This is a 1940s diesel-electric boat, specifically a Type VII C. On the surface, running the diesel engines, top speed is about 17 knots/20mph. Submerged, it's 7.6 knots/8.7mph, and even at half that, they'll drain the batteries rapidly. By comparison, a destroyer will go well over 30 knots. No WWII sub, from any nation, will outrun a capable surface combatant. They'll have problems enough keeping up with fast merchantmen....but most merchies were not that fast, especially not in convoy

[@dougimmel]

I am 67 years old and you ladies make me feel young again with your wonder and your awe. I am also very impressed that you've branched out into foreign films, and difficult films and black-and-white. It's a big world out there it's a big world out there and it's fun to go through these movies all over again and watch your enjoyment. I teach young boys in a psychiatric treatment program 24 seven school and I use good films to help teach history and English. You've hit a lot of my favorites.

[@johnnygood4831]

In case no one mentioned it, Here is the main difference between a U-boat and a submarine. U-boat is short for Unterseeboot, the German word for “undersea boat”. Look at the shape of it. The shape resembles a boat that is capable of submerging. It travels better on the surface. A true submarine is shaped a little different. It has a rounded nose designed to be underwater and travels better under the surface. A destroyer is a U-boat's worst nightmare. The sonar used to listen for a sub can actually hear the men talk. There was an incident of a sub being discovered because someone farted. Modern subs are about 5 times the size of those early U-boats. A lot more room.

[@carpetfluff35]

War is no respector of the humans involved. It doesn't care about heroes or villians, good or evil. It doesn't care if you just spent weeks or months going through hell to arrive somewhere alive. It doesn't care how many you saved, or killed. It doesn't care what people who saw you do amazing or awful things think you deserve. It just is and if your time is up, you're gone.

[@swngssc]

It's an astonishing movie, and the ending is one of the things that makes it so impactful. A good war movie is one that makes you not want any war to happen ever again.

[@TheNavalAviator]

FYI Destroyers are much faster than submarines, especially back then when it's under water. No running, you could only try to sneak away. Nuclear subs are much bigger and can stay submerged forever basically until the food runs out. That movie's a hard hitter and one of the best ever fosho, glad to have shared in your experience!

[@renem.3413]

"Das Boot" is still an amazing movie to recap WW2 from under the sea. You have to know that the your "Leutnant Werner" is in real life the German professional Musician Herbert Grönemeyer. The movie shocks and frightens me every time I watch it. Some of the actors did already die. In my eyes Jürgen Prochnow did an incredible job - but also all of the crew were brilliant actors. Regards from 25km where "U96" sunk René

[@JM-gj7de]

My favorite movie of all time. Being a submariner myself, I get especially choked up at the very end...that poor Captain watching his boat sink. Uggghhhh...

[@Makolki]

You should watch the movie "Then enemy below." By the way, “the Germans” invented the “Alberich system” shortly before the end of the war. They covered the new boats with rubber mats so that the sonar could no longer detect them. So the world's first "stealth submarine". (Alberich was a dwarf king from German mythology, he was able to put on a cloak that made him invisible) By the way, "Thomsen" alias Karl Thurmann is also missing. The last radio message was “periscope unclear” after which nothing came.

[@KevinEnjoyer]

Submarines and U-boats are different vessels. A submarine can stay submerged, attack submerged, and go at flank speed while submerged. U-boats cannot stay submerged for more than a day or two, cannot attack below periscope depth, and their speed is usually cut by half when they submerge. The Germans had mostly solved the issue with the type XXI, but the war was lost by then.

[@Borjan79]

One of the two truly devastating films on this subject is Das Boot and the other is Stalingrad. The war was conducted on completely different levels on the Eastern and Western theatres of war. While in the West, the confrontation was relatively civilised. If you can call anything civilized in a war. In the East, it was much more brutal. I've seen documentaries made from the stories of survivors on the Russian front. We are very lucky that we did not have to go through what our ancestors had to go through.

[@roykliffen9674]

I would include "Der Untergang" in that list. The last days of Hitler in his bunker with a brilliant Bruno Ganz in the role of Hitler.

[@Schnappatmer0815]

when das boot was aired the first time my parents didnt allow me to watch this because i had to go to school the next morning. for me this series is nostalgic because it reminds me of my childhood in the 80s.

[@smigoltime]

Most realistic, most haunting and perfectly acted war movie ever. Rip Wolfgang Petersen

[@TheOfficial007]

holy smokes a fellow WT player on the premises.

[@smigoltime]

@@TheOfficial007 gotta check out all the reviews of my favourite movie of all time :D

[@garycameron8167]

Based on a book by an actual u-boat commander and with two ww2 u-boat officers as technical advisors

[@smigoltime]

@@garycameron8167 ik, I've read the book twice, watched the movie like 150 times

[@jesusbauer8861]

@@garycameron8167 the book was by the "guest" in the movie (leutnant Werner). Also it is a condensed story of 3 patrols he was on as a guest (or war reporter)

[@Perebynis]

Every great "war movie" turns out to be an "anti-war movie" when it is done right. "Das Boot" is the best example.

[@6666Imperator]

and many so-called "anti-war movies" are actually war movies who misunderstand what a good anti war movie would be

[@Bialy_1]

If it is German movie then it is whitewashing movie... the best exmple is "Das Boot" when everyone is clueless what they are doing, why and what is the rel goal of sinking ships full of food for people in some other country... "Soldaten: On Fighting, Killing, and Dying" is full of good examples of real conversations betwen themselfs when they think that no foreigner is listening to them... 20% of Polish citizens did not survive this war... already from the first year the Poles' daily food rations were limited to about 500 kcal, you don't have to be a dietician to guess that the aim was to starve all those forced to such a drastic restriction of food during all those years of war... And that "anti-war" attitude in German movies after the was is so not Germn when you compre it with bio of the worst German soldiers that survived the war and were never punished for most horrible things that they did during war just because they did it to non-Germans... Go read bio of Heinz Reinefarth if you want to learn "the best example"...

[@ovp66223]

I don't really agree. War itself is anti-war. The best movies just show it as close to reality as possible. Like, instead of perfect hair and uniforms, dirty everything, holes, tears, unshaven. Show those rats and water in the trenches. Show the tightness of inside of a tank. Show the long, slow chaotic decent of a disabled B-17 and wonder what those trapped inside were thinking during that 30 seconds to 1 minute of plunge to inevitable death. Show the man next to you going down or gasping the last breath while you're helpless. Thats not really anti-war, thats WAR and it is inherently anti-war. The minute the adrenaline wears off, its mostly fear from then on... The BAD movies are the ones showing always gung-ho heroes ripping through everything. It's pure fiction.

[@timtaylor2427]

@@Bialy_1 maybe you are the same kind of "Patriot"....no right....no wrong..MY COUNTRY !!! you did not understand the message from that movie (because it could not be what MUST NOT be?!?!?)

[@martinkasper197]

​@@Bialy_1You really hate your Germans, don't you...🤓

[@freakygoblin3068]

Die Brücke (1959), Das Boot and Stalingrad (1993) are 3 German war films which should be watched by anyone who thinks war is a good solution for anything.

[@green_wire]

Don't forget "All quiet on the western front"! Especially the new 2022 version, which won multiple Oscars.

[@roberthuehn6562]

War is never a good solution, but a very common on. It dosnt matter who starts it, civilians and those forced to fight are the ones who suffers.

[@graustreifbrombeerkralle1078]

@@green_wire Unpopular opinion, but the 2022 version of All Quiet On The Western Front" is not good.

[@Warhammer40k47]

I also liked unsere mütter unsere väter

[@MarkKlimaszewski]

An even more brutal WW2 movie is of Russian origin; 'Come And See'. After you watch that one you may conclude as I did, that God was fed up with people and had released Satan from hell to ravish humanity. Sometimes I want to forgive Russia all her modern transgressions, as the war had driven the entire nation insane, and they have never managed to recover.

[@GraniteOwlBear]

I saw "Das Boot" for the first time at a midnight showing, in German with English subtitles. I was with my father, who was a US diesel submarine officer. I was worried that I would fall asleep because of the late start time. Just the opposite, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. Afterwards, my father told me just how accurate the movie was, from food stored in every possible space, to all hands running to the forward compartments during crash dives. One of my best memories of my father from my teen years.

[@xwind1970]

When it was shown in the theatre the age limit for this movie on home soil 🇩🇪 was 16. My brother was 12, I was eleven but my father (b.1938) took us in. It was legal back then. So we could watch it first hand. Thanks dad. 🙂

[@3.k]

@@xwind1970 I was 11 when I saw it first on German TV (the 6 episode mini series). I convinced my parents to let me stay up late for it, although my father seemed like I didn’t have to convince him really. And he was born in ‘38, too.

[@typxxilps]

this is the short version cause the real one is that with 6 episodes each 45 minutes long cause this was a cooperation of the german first tv station ARD / Das Erste and the movie producer Rohrbach who had made a deal with both, to create the move and the TV mini series which had been released 4 years or 5 years later.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Oh, also whitewashing again! So the it continues. That was no victim as it is suggested. This term definitely doesn't fit! In in World War I it was the opposite of that and an even a much worse perpetrator in the in World War 2. Yes, there were a lot of dead British soldiers due to the completely unnecessary First World War caused by this nation. In addition, this nation also criminally fought the First World War. This nation attacked the civilians in the cities in this war. The civilians were murdered by bombers and airships. Civilians were also murdered with artillery in the towns. In addition to these many civilian murders, this nation's submarines also sank many British civilian ships and so killed also civilians. Even the navy of this nation murdered the civilians in the britisch towns by firing from the ships with cannons. Then, as if all that wasn't bad enough, this nation introduced the weapon of mass destruction, poison gas, into its warfare. Oh and don't forget, although the infantry of this nation's army did not massacre any British civilians, but this army did massacre civilians of other nations in the occupied areas. By the way, they also massacred Polish civilians. Which also didn't make this nation particularly likeable.

[@simonfrederiksen104]

@@3.k I watched the series version first myself - in Denmark on NDR 3 during the late 80's early 90's (born '79).

[@grouchyoldpatriot]

I served 20 yrs in the US Navy Submarine Service, on 4 different subs. Das Boot was by far the crew's favorite submarine movie on all 4 of the boats I served on.

[@brentaughe7539]

Then you have the most realistic US Navy Movie ever made….Down Periscope:)

[@chrismaverick9828]

@@brentaughe7539 I would LOVE to see a multi-part mini series that just takes all of 'Run Silent, Run Deep' in the novelized form and runs with it. The Gable/Lancaster movie is just way too short and doesn't do it justice. An in-depth movie about the USS Tang's patrols would be excellent as well.

[@grouchyoldpatriot]

Dudes, ya gotta read Dick O'Kane's books "Clear the Bridge!" and "Wahoo". Two great reads from the man who lived it!

[@grouchyoldpatriot]

@@brentaughe7539 No doubt the second favorite submarine movie beloved by boat crews! "The Band-aid was holding the fingernail on, Sir"

[@Der_Schneemann]

@@grouchyoldpatriot Real + Comedy! Best Friends.

[@zerocoolcat]

"I'm gonna be watching the director's cut. Original with subtitles." This is the way!

[@YannaTarassi]

This is the way!

[@fnglert]

*Barbossa 'Agreed' gif*

[@workonesabs]

Interesting to note is that all the actors also spoke fluent English and as it was so noisy due to the cameras, the sound was ad libbed afterwards in German and English, by the same actors so really the sound tracks are both correct, though it sounds far more realistic and atmospheric in German.

[@romaneberle]

@@YannaTarassi the full version of this is a five hours tv series. :)

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

@@romaneberle 6 part miniseries with a total runtime of about 5 hours, sometimes shown in 3 parts (which is also the DVD version that I have)

[@hias7568]

The real LI (Friedrich Grade) died on October 2023 at the age of 107. He was the last living member of U96.

[@b4tch3r]

LI = Leitender Ingenieur :) Rest in Peace Friedrich Grade!

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Well, most Germans received a lot of money from the Americans shortly after the war. Apparently as a reward for all their good deeds. West Germany, which was the majority of Germany, was allowed to have an army again and even became an ally of the Americans. That's why the Poroaganda machine was started and the perpetrators were made victims. Because the good West couldn't be allied with Nazis. No, it was pretended that there were only a few Nazis who actually occupied the country. So the reality is not shown in all the articles and movies and so on that the overwhelming majority of this nation were followers and supporters of the Nazi government, thus Nazis. So they really claim that Germany was liberated.Yes, the Germans is also really allowed to claim they were liberated. In the end, it's only logical and consistent if their Western accomplices are allowed to do that, then so are they. As e.g. the title of this KZbin video show. "Liberation of Munich April 30 1945[Colorized]" kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKWmp516apt-ocU The title is not the occupation of Munich by the Americans, which would correspond to historical facts. No, a lie is being spread about an alleged liberation! The movie is just a part of the whitewashing campaign that began shortly after the end of the Second World War and has continued until today.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Well, most Germans received a lot of money from the Americans shortly after the war. Apparently as a reward for all their good deeds. West Germany, which was the majority of Germany, was allowed to have an army again and even became an ally of the Americans. That's why the Poroaganda machine was started and the perpetrators were made victims. Because the good West couldn't be allied with Nazis. No, it was pretended that there were only a few Nazis who actually occupied the country. So the reality is not shown in all the articles and movies and so on that the overwhelming majority of this nation were followers and supporters of the Nazi government, thus Nazis. So they really claim that Germany was liberated.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Yes, the Germans is also really allowed to claim they were liberated. In the end, it's only logical and consistent if their Western accomplices are allowed to do that, then so are they. As e.g. the title of this KZbin video show. "Liberation of Munich April 30 1945[Colorized]" kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKWmp516apt-ocU The title is not the occupation of Munich by the Americans, which would correspond to historical facts. No, a lie is being spread about an alleged liberation! The movie is just a part of the whitewashing campaign that began shortly after the end of the Second World War and has continued until today.

[@EricPalmerBlog]

Wow.

[@mrsubkulturtv9279]

She probably doesn't even realize that she has said two very important and great sentences. At 45:23 she says "He deserves all the things" At 49:36 she says" After all that they come home just to die" This is war in its true form. No propaganda, no superiority, no escape, just death, misery and shock. Say NO to war!

[@knofi7052]

I agree with everything you say...but then came Putin!😟

[@Sableagle]

" ... you would not tell with such high zest, to children eager for some desperate glory, the old lie _dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori."_

[@ГригорийШумилов-ф5р]

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[@Holztransistor]

​@@knofi7052That is nonsense. You act like the US for example did never go to war for all the wrong reasons. Like in Iraq 2003. Lies to start a war.

[@julesharper7209]

​​@@knofi7052 Saying no to war also means to stop aggression. Hitler could have been stopped early in a consequent and collective action. Instead, every country though they could profit from appeasement and maybe they would not be attacked. And soon, it was a world war. Putin is attacking the post-war architecture of peace by attacking other countries to gain territory. We must not let fascism happen again.

[@williamhirschi3334]

I had a film professor in college who was German, and who had relatives who worked on this film. They built a full-sized U-Boat replica, fully enclosed (no cutaway walls) and filmed with hand-held cameras to accurately capture the claustrophobic feeling of life aboard a WWII submarine.

[@Thane36425]

I think they also used sounds recorded from the U-boat at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, including the engine sounds.

[@MrHws5mp]

They also made the cast eat the same food the U-Boat crew would have had and didn't let them go out in daylight, so they got thinner and paler as the mission went on.

[@richardb6260]

They used that submarine in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[@larrybremer4930]

The set was also on gimbals to shake, rattle, and roll. They also shot is in sequence and forbid the crew from going outdoors so they would get pale. They also contacted some of the original manufacturers for instrumentation and equipment and many supplied their goods at no charge saying something like "we were proud of our workmanship and want it well represented". Simply an amazing production.

[@jamesgathings6364]

The movie prop is still there at Bavarian studios in Munich , you can visit , although the real one is in Laboe . Naval Memorial , just north of Kiel

[@fathertedcrilley3988]

You're used to seeing Hollywood films where the good guys always win. War isn't like that. People go through incredible struggles to stay alive and then die anyway.

[@tonygreenfield7820]

From the viewpoint of the Allies and in particular the merchant navy convoy crews the good guys did win. Scratch one more U-Boat.

[@elessartelcontar9415]

It's completely random who lives and dies in a war. Why The Fates pass one man by and take the one next to him is random. There is no fairness in it. Yes, some groups of soldiers and Marines excel in warfare while others don't. I am very anti-Nazi, but they often inflicted 20 X as many enemy KIA and armor destroyed. The main reason they lost was they took on most of the world and that Hitler assumed control of waging the war and he was completely incompetent. Germany had lots of very competent generals who could have prosecuted the war much better. Hitler gave priority to shipping Jewish people to death camps than to the munitions and food direct needed by his troops. That also helped defeat him.

[@unholydriver4987]

Are you saying they were the good guys?😅

[@Jerkwad152]

​@@unholydriver4987 From their perspective, they were. Mostly, they were regular soldiers doing their jobs.

[@tonygreenfield7820]

@@Jerkwad152 hmmm! The Nuremberg Defence eh? I was only obeying orders/doing my job. That didn't carry much weight if I recall correctly.

[@ygma1460]

About that moment when they didn't rescue the people from the burning torpedoed cargo ship: The German submarines were under orders not to, after something called "Laconia Incident". Which was hell of an incident. A German U-Boat, U-156, had torpedoed a freighter and took the people on her deck and their lifeboats on tow. So many were wounded, the captain decided to cover the U-Boat with a red cross, broadcast his location and intention of saving human lives over achieving war goals and started to tow the survivors to safety, on surface. The U-Boat, clearly marked with Red Cross and towing lifeboats, was spotted by an American B-24 Liberator bomber. The bomber radio'ed for instructions and was told by US Air Force command to attack the U-Boat. They did, attacking with bombs and machine guns, killing multiple people on the U-Boat's deck. The captain tried in vain to signal that his intention was only to get these people to safety, but he was forced to crash dive in order to prevent the submarine from getting destroyed. These actions completely changed the German Navy's attitude towards saving Allied seamen, marine, navy, or otherwise, leading to this scene in the movie and multiple like in real life. The B-24 Liberator crew were never prosecuted for war crimes and received medals for bravery.

[@cezarygrad4018]

I recommend reading the book, the movie doesn't have a scene where they shoot at the lifeboats with survivors. Germans already in Poland (1939) started a war without any rules, without any mercy for civilians. "Laconia Incident" was their heritage of total war, without rules, without mercy.

[@Freigeist2008]

@@cezarygrad4018 The Poles started the atrocities in the first days. The first massacre on civilians had been by the Polish in Bromberg. An German city occupied by Poland after WW1. They killed a few thousand Germans especially there like the Hutu in Ruanda. When the city was liberated the German Army has an extra portion of anger towards the Polish

[@cezarygrad4018]

@@Freigeist2008 I have never seen a bigger load of nonsense. These Russian trolls are poorly trained. You are exposed, your case officer will not be pleased. Siberia, welcome!

[@tamenund3009]

@@cezarygrad4018 But it was an Allied ship that the Germans torpoedoed. (Did the Americans think that the people in the lifeboats were Germans?)

[@Njordin2010]

@@cezarygrad4018 its always easy to go after the 'bad guys' but you are prone to repeating the errors that lead to dehumanization and other crimes. Allied forces: french, american, italian (after 43), british and others did mass-rapes, -shootings, -executions of PoWs / Civilians in many different situations, times and locations. (russians were of course much worse). there is a very fat big list of warcrimes committed by allied forces... and it arguably did not even end yet. Kriegsmarine was the least political force and they did try to hold up those rules as long as possible. You can´t say german soldiers in another country did xy and thats why we are allowed to bomb civilians into dust or shoot soldiers that surrendered because they are inherently bad people. (in the case above they bombed their own allied people btw) this is classical revisionist talking points. you have to see and describe ALL crimes or you will repeat history. are we allowed to bomb whole iraq because they are inherently all bad brown terrorist people? should we drop atomic bombs on cities because we 'guess' they wouldn´t surrender soon? thats illogical. you can´t answer warcrimes with warcrimes. especially if they aren´t even remotely connected.

[@BSE1320]

They couldn't outrun them underwater. U-Boats were considered submersible boats. They ran faster 'up top' on diesel power (16 knots, 18mph) rather than underwater on batteries. Destroyers of the time could do 30+ knots (35mph), where a Type VIIc at best speed, could only do about 7 knots (9mph) underwater, and couldn't maneuver worth a damn. So for obvious reasons, you couldn't get away on the surface, were outgunned by anything, so you had to dive, dive deep and try to sneak away. One famous interview of a u-boat survivor said of the depth charging, "It all amounted to being a rat caught by a cat, and it was sheer luck that you got away if they found you." I'm glad you watched it. Without a doubt, the best submarine movie ever made. One of the best war films I ever watched. And honestly? The movie HAD to end that way.

[@steffenjonda8283]

A sub was very manoverable, they often outsmarted the hunters, because a sub basically could turn on a spot. that was their ONLY advantage. Later it got worse, because the allied had Squid and before Hedgehog... so basically they could throw in the front some "missles" who only exploded on contact. So they knew, if something detonated, the sub was toast. With this the killing ratio got up.

[@MrHws5mp]

@@steffenjonda8283 The point with Hedgehog was that the early ASDIC sonars couldn't "look" downwards below a certain angle, so as the destroyer made a depth charge run, it lost the contact just before it passed over it. U-boat captains learned to wait for that loss-of-contact and then make a last-minute course change which caused the depth charges to miss. The ahead-throwing mortar weapons like Hedgehog and Squid got around that by throwing the bombs ahead of the ship so that they could fire while they still had the ASDIC contact.

[@rosario508]

This movie had the greatest acting I’ve ever seen

[@ThomasDrish]

Hands down, believable and realistic as it gets. You can feel the claustrophobic atmosphere in almost every scene. I can’t praise this incredible masterpiece enough.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

@@ThomasDrish Don't forget the captain of the _Weser._ A role totally opposite to the sub crew. Brilliant writing, casting, and acting.

[@taxiuniversum]

Agreed. I used to work as a cabby, often worked at night, and once got called to pick up a group of people at Bavaria Film, where this movie had been made. It was a number of the actors you saw in this movie - they were leaving an anniversary party with the crew. They had a few fascinating stories to tell. One of the interesting things that had happened on the set is that during lunch breaks, the actors unwittingly sorted themselves into tables according to the ranks they held in their roles. No one had forced them to do that. But apparently, they had internalized things so much that they even stayed in their role while not acting.

[@richardsix4473]

@@ThomasDrishLights out, 5hrs Blu-Ray in, subwoofer and surround receiver on and you are going for one hell of a ride!

[@m4inline]

​@@taxiuniversumThank you!

[@zauberlichneo]

As a submariner, Das Boot is so good. The boredom of the patrol, the excitement of the hunt, the terror of being hunted, the joy of fresh food... The writing is top notch and the performance of the actors was amazing.

[@Jens-Viper-Nobel]

All the actors were trained in how to function on a U-boat and had to stay out of the sun to get the right pale skin for the movie. They litterally lived the life of the men they were supposed to portray. This is why the movie seemed so real.

[@GreatPolishWingedHussars]

Disgusting! This propaganda movie has nothing to do with reality! The German submarine sailors and especially the captains were heroes to the German Nazi propaganda. They were heroes of Nazi propaganda and they were very happy to be! In this German propaganda movie the opposite is shown and these Nazi soldiers are turned in this movie into heroes who were actually opponents of the German Nazi government. Really evil, mendacious propaganda! If one look closely. One can't see a swastika under the eagles on their caps. If one wonders why. A Swastika on the cap does not suit to a German heroes. There are no swastikas on the caps. Because if swastikas were constantly to be seen in the close-ups, that would disturb the propaganda effect. Because this is a propaganda movie. It is supposed to show that the German submarine sailors were not Nazis. That should then be transferred to the entire German nation. Contrary to historical truth. The historical truth was that the overwhelming majority of the submarine sailors were supporters of the German Nazi government, like since 1936 at the latest was the overwhelming majority of Germans too! But exactly the opposite is suggested in this mendacious propaganda movie. The Nazi submarine sailors and officers played a special role in German propaganda. They were the heroes of the entire nation and they enjoyed the appreciation of the entire Nazi nation. There were especially many honors for them also receptions. They were courted like movie stars. All Germans loved them as heroes! In this movie they are actually also honored. There is also a reception in honor of the officer on a cruise ship. But our German heroes in this mendacious movie are of course only disgusted by the pomp. Propaganda that has nothing to do with reality.

[@JGRMSTR-ts6je]

​@@GreatPolishWingedHussars You have a point, the political views were deliberately sugarcoated. I believe that late in the war, many Germans were very disilusioned and fought on because of a misplaced loyalty or sense of duty. Also, in a sub or any militayry unit, I think you get to the point where you fight for your survival and for your fellow soldiers without thinking about anything else. I agree with you that it is important to remember that the Wehrmacht fought for an evil government, and that the majority of Germans did support or at least not oppose that government. It terrifies me to think what I might have done if I were born before the war. Let's hope we can do better in our time against european nationalism and dictators trying to impose their will on others.

[@zauberlichneo]

@@GreatPolishWingedHussars perhaps I should have specified the realism I am referring to is with regards to actual life and war on a submarine. I agree that most Germans, including those in their submarine force, were supportive of the Nazi regime. I agree that during the war, uboot sailors were of tremendous propaganda value and there were numerous propaganda films from during the war featuring them. I disagree, however, with your contention that Das Boot is intended to be pro-Nazi propaganda. The reason there are no swastikas on the German uniforms is that after the war Germany outlawed Nazi symbols. Germany hasn't hidden from their ugly past though, they discuss and teach about WW2 and the holocaust in school, with the intent to demonstrate how awful it was and to hopefully prevent anything like it from happening again. I feel that is the intent of Das Boot. It shows war as horrible and terrifying. It shows how the terrible strain can psychologically break even seasoned veterans. Both of the great escapes are followed by tragedies. The first time they escape depth charging, they come back to the surface so they can commit a war crime and machine gun the sailors in the life boats trying to escape the ship they torpedoed. After their narrow escape with death when they fail to make it through the Straits of Gibraltar, during their celebratory return to home port... Most of the crew and the boat itself are killed in an air raid through nothing more than bad luck. That doesn't strike me as very effective Nazi propaganda. And I also have a different reading of the negative talk about the politicians back home and the scene with the surface sailors. It's a pretty universal thing that almost anyone in the military sees; the people on the front lines think the people calling the shots are idiots. Maybe because they can't see the whole picture, maybe because it sucks being the pawn sent to die, maybe because the politicians and generals (admirals) really don't understand what conditions are actually like... Doesn't matter why, the fact is it's a pretty common feeling across all militaries, especially those on the losing side. And the scene with the surface sailors and the fancy dinner? I don't think the sub people are acting the way they are because of political differences. I think it's mostly a combination of trauma response, bitterness/contempt of these people with pressed uniforms and gourmet dinners while they've been unable to bathe and have been eating canned food for weeks, and anger that they're being sent on a suicide mission and they won't even let them leave behind the reporter and the old chief who is about to retire.

[@pakabe8774]

@@zauberlichneo Swastikas are not generally banned in Germany. They could have been used in the movie, if they would have intended to show historical accurate facts. And a movie can be historical accurate and fictional at the same time.

[@adrianmcgrath1984]

I was born in 1962 in London, UK. It probably wasn't until I was 30 or so that I realized the reason people and things were the way they were (odd) was because everyone 20yrs or more older than me had been through the war. They had either been bombed in their homes, or had the telegram home, or had served on one of the services. Anyone my age from the UK will tell you stories of strange behaviour from adults, very strange and sometimes dangerous behaviour from some adults. At school it was common to have teachers go berserk and attack kids and have nervous breakdowns on the spot. The same was true of people in certain other professions. Although PTSD was never officially recognized, it was very clear that many people were not fit to resume lives in regular society or in the types of jobs they had had before the war. As a result, certain jobs were very much set up to suit a lot of these people. One such job was working for the post office. A mailmans shift typically started at 5am, they did an hour or two in the office and then went out on their deliveries, so that they dropped their first letter around 7:00am. By 11:00am there day was over and they could go home. They had not had to commute during rush hour, they were home before things got busy at lunchtime and were home long before school was let out and the evening rush hour. They could also use their strange shifts to hide from regular family life. They could avoid family visits, neighbourhood events or regular parties by saying they had to be up at 3 or 4am for work. In the '80s I worked at a large rural post office for a couple of years, all of the od guys working there were ex-servicemen and had various degrees of "strange behaviour" that later I would recognize as PTSD. There were guys who had been in many of the services, but the guys who had been in submarines were by far the most fragile. What also set them apart was that if something was dropped or broken that made a loud noise, a number of the ex army, or airforce guys might leap to their feet or jump. The guys from the submarines - and all of them had been through depth-charging - would usually just freeze. They might hold onto the desk they were in front of or a piece of furniture if it was right in front of them. They would go blank and look terrified. - again PTSD was not discussed or acknowledged, but considering the reactions, you'd see that a soldier, sailor, or airman would react to a shock by jumping or ducking or leaving an area quickly. All sensible reactions. But the submariners just froze. Which is probably indicative of their position in the war. If something broke or blew up on your submarine, there was nowhere to run to. There was no escape. You just stood and waited for everything to end

[@Toddel1234567]

Hello from Germany. I can confirm what you have observed. I was born in 1961 and as a little boy I saw many men who had no legs or only one arm. I was 4 or 5 years old and I didn't know why it was like that. When men survived the war they were mentally broken. Some started to shake and scream in the night. It was only later, when I was 14 or 15, that I realized the horror they had experienced. My grandmother's brother, for example, almost never spoke about the war. Only once did he tell me about some of his experiences and I realized how difficult it was for him. He was scarred for the rest of his life. He said to me shortly before he died that he hoped so much that something like that would never happen again. Unfortunately, his hope was not fulfilled.

[@adrianmcgrath1984]

@@Toddel1234567 the German people suffered worse than the British. Setting aside questions of responsibility or blame, the bombing of cities like Dresden was horrendous and civilians suffered some pretty horrific behaviour from the allied invasion and occupation. Wikipedia has figures for the number of German women raped by Soviet, American and British troops. Rape being one of the few categories of abuse being officially recorded

[@utcnc7mm]

@@Toddel1234567 I've never heard that but can easily believe it, what veterans & the civilians during that time went through must have been awful. But that generation I believe was also tough as nails, they were raised in hard times (economically speaking) whereas today's generation is much softer (some say spoiled) and couldn't endure what that generation did.

[@blakebufford6239]

Amazing observations. My dad and father in law were in WWII not in combat but did witness aerial combat. They were both worried about dying from bombs or accidents. Even though they had it better than others I could tell that those experiences affected them the rest of their lives.

[@adrianmcgrath1984]

@@harrybirchall3308 Thanks for responding, I left the UK decades ago, and I’m not sure anything has ever really been spoken about there, so my assessment of why things were the way they were is my own unqualified opinion. So it is good to hear that somebody else was able to make the same connections and recognize it for what it was. I have no doubt that the government has a lot of insight into it, but choses not to publish it yet. There is an awful lot of stuff about the war that is never spoken off. They love to paint the “wartime spirit” aspect, but the reality is quite different. In London alone, there were tens of thousands of deserters living, with no income, no ration books etc. they could only live by crime. They weren’t alone in it, but bombed houses were routinely looted as soon as they were hit, even bodies were robbed - some people even joined the firecrews and air raid warden jobs, specifically so that they could commit crime with the cover of the bombing - no lights, and people mostly down in the shelters. Even amongst the death and mayhem, there are theories that a couple of serial killers were operating in the city during the war. Along with the regular citizens damaged with PTSD, you also had more extreme cases. The east end of London became an absolute hotbed of violent crime in the ’60s especially. Gangs like the Krays were violent sociopaths - they had also grown up in the most heavily bombed part of the city and seen some truly terrible things as kids. Some of them talk about how exciting the war was and how it was a great way to make money!

[@stuka80]

Regarding your questions; "wouldnt the ships have moved by then if torpedoes take so long to reach the target" There is alot of math calculations made when launching torpedoes, like the speed of the target and its distance to the uboat, all of that is calculated before firing so that if the calculations are correct, the torpedoes will reach the point of where the target is going to be and will be a hit. "why cant they just leave when the destroyers start attacking" Simplest answer is, because the engines will make alot of noise, alerting the destroyers to your exact location, uboats undewater are very slow, the destroyers will always be faster than the uboats so there is nowhere for them to run. The best way is to stay as silent as possible therefore being invisible to the sensors. "why do they want them to go to the mediterrenean." There are German and Italian forces in North Africa fighting British forces so alot of supply shipping has to go back and forth between southern europe and north africa.

[@unclejoker9975]

The reason that "pulling up" was futile is due to water hammer. Too much water from flooding creates an overwhelming forward and downward force as all of that water cumulatively sloshes forward. As someone who served in the engine room on a nuclear submarine, it was one of the more terrifying situations that I ever learned about. At least you can fight a fire or a reactor coolant spill, but once water hammer occurs, all you can do is ride that pig to the bottom.

[@jacobjones5269]

I’ll mention active sonar pinging and depth charges too.. For Cassie and anyone who wants to know.. Sound moves very efficiently in water, so much like radar in the air, active sonar pinging can be used to get a bearing and depth.. And the depth charges dropped from the destroyer can be set to explode at a predetermined depth.. Passive sonar detection is where the listening comes in.. And whispering..

[@larrybremer4930]

Even more importantly a submarine has a maximum speed of around 20kts surfaced and 10kts submerged, but running at flank speed submerged would exhaust their battery power in about 1-2 hours, where running at a more stately speed of 2-5Kts they may last for over 24 hours, but the destroyer will happily run around at 25Kts or more so there is no escape for a sub once the destroyer has it bracketed. Either the destroyer gives up (because their main job is really to keep the sub from pushing attacks so the convoy can escape), runs out of ammo, or kills the sub. Escape was nearly impossible if they had a good bead on you, or if they had multiple destroyers on you and were really persisting to destroy you rather than drive you off. In one scene you see a man chalk marking the number of attacks the lone destroyer has made so they can estimate it will run out of depth charges. Funny side story, the US Navy noticed that Japanese destroyers tended to set their depth charges shallow, so they intentionally sent transmissions between commands saying the opposite, that they were usually too deep. The Japanese intercepted some of those messages and changed tactics setting them even shallower. This gave a little more safety margin to US subs when they were attacked and the IJN pretty much fell for the ploy.

[@chrisnielsen9885]

@@larrybremer4930my understanding of the story about the depth charge setting by the Japanese is somewhat grimmer. From Wikipedia under ‘censorship failures of ww2’: In June, 1943 Congressman Andrew Jackson May disclosed that Japanese depth charges were set too shallow-and resulted in the estimated losses of 10 US Submarines and 800 servicemen.

[@robderich8533]

There are a lot of things to consider if you try to understand what is being shown in the film. For example, the water pressure: the deeper depth charges detonate, the less effective they are because of it, which is helpful for the U-Boat. On the other hand if the pressure hull of the submarine is damaged, higher water pressure is more likely to lead to its total destruction. The commander must therefore weigh up very carefully. He is also helped by the fact that depth charges can also damage the destroyer that drops them if it is too close to the explosion. It must therefore maintain a minimum speed when dropping them, but then its sonarmen can no longer hear the sounds of the sub. When the destroyer begins its approach, its captain can only guess in which direction the submarine will evade. That is why Hinrich, the boat's sonar man, is so horrified in the scene when he detects the propeller noises of a second destroyer that can assist the first in searching for them. What makes this film so outstanding is the enormous attention to detail and the dedication of everyone involved in its creation. The scene in which the sailor goes overboard is a great example. Originally it was not in the script at all, but was actually an accident during filming (and afaik the guy actually broke two ribs). However by this point, all the actors had already identified so strongly with their roles that they reacted exactly as real sailors would have done. The result was so convincing that the scene made it into the movie.

[@jollyrogerhobbies2386]

Simply put, WAR IS HELL. This film is the most realistic depiction of war, No winners, no loosers, no heroes. Just death and destruction.

[@GhostWatcher2024]

And it never changes.

[@CzechMirco]

No winners - that was true for us in Central Europe. But not because "thats how war is" or any other such western "gems of wisdom", but because Western Allies, especially that dilettante FDR had botched the peace and thrown us under the bus, from inhuman German occupation to inhuman russian occupation.

[@kavalor6488]

@@CzechMirco The US needed the Sovietunion as the war was not one when they promised Stalin eastern/parts of central europe. The fate of a small country like Czechoslavakia was really uninmportant at the time , just chess pieces. They tried to survive (in their mind). As a German I say, Nazi Germany never had a realistic chance to win the war or to win a peace (especially because of that racial superiority nonsense) . FDR did not botch the peace, at the time actually winning the war was more important than what happened to a few small countries. Its different persepective if you live in those countries (I actually grew up in East Germany - so it was kind of the same). The area I am from was traded to the russians for a piece of Berlin. And do not forget that FDR was already dead at the time the Potsdam Treaty was finalized.

[@CzechMirco]

​@@kavalor6488 Nope, it is exactly as cynical and nonsensual rationalization as when the revisionist british historians now say that Chamberlain was a mastermind who by signing the Munich treaty "bought time" for rearming the UK (and the same is implied for France). Except that there is not a shred of evidence of him having such a plan and of course Germany used the bought time better in rearming. And saying that USA neeeded USSR so much that they were right to promise them everything is an equal nonsense, becasue by that USA created its biggest enemy and actually gave him enough resources to try and almost swallow up the whole world. Not to mention how the US propaganda flip-flopped on USSR throughout the 30s to 50s (and then later in 60s again to a certain degree) with such a vehemence that it again helped only the russians. Potzdam was already only codifying the situation agreed upon in Teheran and Yalta where Churchill specifically warned FDR against russian imperialism but FDR confidently claimed that "he can handle Uncle Joe". Americans always botch peace and always get hoodwinked by enemies that they are even unable to recognize as enemies at times.

[@kavalor6488]

@@CzechMirco Oh I agree with you , but that is from todays perspective. And i never said it was right to promise that, just that it was logical from FDR's perspective - different things, but maybe I was not clear enough. I guess things just look different if you are in a position to decide in an actual war. And neither FDR nor Chamberlain were masterminds , and lets face it, America up until that time was so selfcentered, that they were incompetents in foreigh politics, most of the time. Just saying that from the american perspective back then , Czecholovakia and the other eastern europan states were unimportant to winning the war. And yes I know Churchill thought different about that, but Churchill had his own warts, and was dependent of the US as they kept GB Britain afloat economically during the war. FDR was in the area of foreign policy no Woodrow Wilson, but even Wilson could not push his policy at home after World War I. But yeah victors right history and FDR in foreign policy is way overrated. Its a difficult, complex topic though.

[@andreasvoss4931]

I am a 55 year old German and served 12 years in the Bundeswehr, now living in the US. This was always my favourite movie. When the movie came out i was a teenager and loved playing silent service on the computer. Then i found out my very old neighbour served in a German submarine in ww2. I of course went over and had many questions. I told him how fascinating that must have been and how exciting. He set me straight quick and told me it was an horror he can never forget. I think this movie showed that really good.

[@Celisar1]

You misunderstand the starting scenes: they are terrified, chances are they are going to die a terrible death. They want to life as if there is no tomorrow- because there probably isn’t.

[@Scorpion-kj2rl]

Das ist wahr. Täglich Angst haben zu müssen, den morgigen Tag nicht mehr zu erleben, macht aus ganz normalen Menschen plötzlich psychisch kranke Menschen.

[@karlmoles6530]

The haunting ending to this film has never left me in decades. I can still remember sitting there with my dad and my girlfriend. Jaw just hanging open. They went though all that, made it home, and got sunk beside the pier. Talk about the futility of war. None of us spoke for awhile until my dad said that was the most perfect ending to a war fil he'd ever seen

[@jakubfabisiak9810]

And right beside the bunker that was built specifically to withstand bombing...

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

The ending is also pretty much the only thing that didn't happen. I kind of like that they went with the poetic license to invent it since it strikes so hard, but on the other hand, I don't like it since it _does_ add a fictitious element to an otherwise overally historic movie (all the other stuff happened, just not during one single trip).

[@fars8229]

@@Wolf-ln1ml The ending of the movie is a parable refering to the downfall of the Third Reich.

[@steffenjonda8283]

But it was a lie. U96 survived the war. But they wanted this, otherwise the end would have glorified it to much (because honestly, these brave guys survived the impossible, gave proof to "superior german mechanics" and overall showed that german soldiers are not always or only nazi criminals).

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

@@fars8229 That's the first time I've heard or read that interpretation, but I could easily have missed something. But even assuming that it is - it *_still_* adds something that didn't actually happen, not to any of the subs that Buchheim was ever on.

[@one1charlie643]

submarines in this era ran on batteries while they were underwater and had a maximum speed of about 5 knots. when their batteries ran out, they had to surface to recharge. while on the surface they had access to air so they can run their diesel engines. batteries were not like today and they ran out quite quickly if you didn't use them sparingly. another danger was that if salt water came into contact with the battery acid it would form chlorine gas and poison the crew

[@unclejoker9975]

Seawater in the battery well it's still a danger today.

[@jesusbauer8861]

Max speed of 8 knots for about an hour. (Type VII C)

[@zansobar]

At some point German uboats employed a snorkel so they could get air and run the diesel engines while submerged around periscope depth.

[@RadiantSilverlighter]

@@jesusbauer88615 knots

[@Snake-ms7sj]

Submarines at this time ran on the surface the majority of the time and only submerged when they were under attack or making an attack. The German type XXI that entered service near the end of the war was the first operational submarine that could travel faster underwater than on the surface. It also had snorkel tubes so it could take in air while still submerged although only at a shallow depth. It was the most advanced submarine of WW2.

[@JohnD-scaledecks]

Remember the opening text: Out of 40,000 U-boat sailors that put to sea for Germany, 30,000 of them died. So this crew only had a 1-in-4 chance of living statistically. Pretty sobering. U-Boot was short for Untersee Boot, or "Undersea Boat" - or, a submarine. "Das Boot" translates simply as "The Boat." It was a very uneven fight by this point in the war with the development of ASDIC (early Sonar - the equivalent of underwater radar which used echoing sound waves instead of reflected radio waves.) The problem for a U-Boat was that they typically could do about 20mph when running their diesel engines while surfaced. When they submerged, they had to rely on electric motors and batteries (since Diesels needed fresh air to run and electric did not.) But electric motors had a maximum underwater speed of only about 9mph. So if you did a dive to escape, you were pretty much confined to the area where you went down and could only crawl away at very low speeds. On the surface, you could catch or outrun a cargo ship, which typically traveled at about 12-15mph. But a destroyer? Those could typically do 35-40mph! So they are zipping all around you and you're just stuck where you are. If you are on the surface, you are a big, fat easy target for their guns. If you dive, you are slow and blind and can only wait it out and hope to survive. Your only real tricks were to be super-quiet, to sneak away as best you can, or to hide at a depth where they don't expect you to be so when they set the depth for their explosives to detonate that you won't be there when they go off. AND... There were two types of typical underwater explosives. The first was a small grenade type thing that could be launched in large numbers in a pattern to penetrate the water and sink downwards. They had contact fuses, so if they contacted your hull they would punch a hole in it, you boat floods and you die. The second type (which was most of what they used in the movie) was a canister of explosives set to be rolled off the destroyer and set to go off at a set depth. (Which is why a destroyer directly overhead was VERY bad news!) Later on they had systems to launch these guys off the sides of the ship to make a wider dispersal to not have to roll them off the back. These were big explosives, and they created great pressure underwater (and also underwater voids at the point of the blast.) You saw how delicate the balance of pressure is on the hull to keep the boat from cracking open... A depth charge can tip that balance and crack the sub open with anything that detonates relatively close - it doesn't have to be a direct hit. Crack the sub and it floods. If the sub is cracked so that water comes in faster than it can be plugged up and pumped out, you die. And then, of course, there are the air attacks with planes coming in at multiple hundreds of miles per hour, armed with guns, bombs, depth charges, or rockets. All bad. So that was the life (and death) of submariners of all nations in WWII - but the Germans had the worst of it, and suffered the greatest losses. And, most often when they died at sea, the were just listed as "missing." No bodies, no funerals, no closure. They just simply never came home. War is ugly. Submarine war is REALLY ugly. I hope that helps to explain some of what you saw in the movie.

[@markymarknj]

That was an EXCELLENT comment!

[@Ulrich.Bierwisch]

In 1941 the chance to return was pretty good. In the first years, the U-Boot was more or less invisible at night. They attacked on the surface like torpedo boats. It was even possible to go into the convoy on the surface. The destroyers where inexperienced and the allied didn't even know how deep the U-boots could dive. 200m was done a lot and the depth charges didn't could go that deep in the beginning. The brave commanders got a lot of kills but most of them got killed in 1941 when radar came into play more often. The events in this movie are showing exactly the time when more of the destroyers and also the planes got radar. Suddenly they where detectable at night and needed to dive more often. Later in the war, the hunters got more and more advantages and in 1944 it was almost impossible to survive as soon as the boat got detected. They withdraw from the Atlantic and went to less populated areas in the hope to bind a lot of forces.

[@RushfanUK]

You're forgetting the other side of the story Britain alone lost over 30,000 merchant seamen and 2400 ships to the U Boats and surface raiders and many more would have been lost but for the efforts of the Royal Navy and other branches of the armed services.

[@DarrenMalin]

they were murdering our unarmed merchant seamen . I have not sympathy for Germans at all.

[@busking6292]

According to records,at their most successful period they were sinking over 3 million tons of allied shipping a MONTH,thats equivalent to roughly 40 Queen Marys a month!

[@llamallama1509]

"The poor hydrophone guy, has he got some pudding?!" You're the best reaction channel by far. I doubt any other channel would go there.

[@teutonalex]

To answer the question yes, he got his pudding. While officers ate in their own tiny mess, German subs only had one cook and he prepared the same dishes for the whole crew.

[@florete2310]

@@teutonalex Indeed. That said, 18:27 (and I'm saying that as a German): That is the appropriate reaction to that dish, the infamous "Schweinskopfsülze" (~ basically meat chunks in some jelly / aspic)😂

[@robertwong4060]

Cassie, congratulations! "Das Boot" is 'Advanced Film Appreciation' class for sure. And with subtitles! It's a long, hard watch, but so worth it. You're definitely right in the U-boat with them. This movie is one of the best examples of the struggle and futility of war.

[@markymarknj]

YES!

[@8RBrain]

Agreed sir and Cassie's willing to watch is indeed impressive.

[@tilmanreiss]

The funny thing about the actors is that a lot of them actually speak in regional dialects from the north all the way down to Austria.

[@ianclark9182]

Surely that would be normal in real life too

[@tilmanreiss]

@@ianclark9182 Yes, I feel it gives more authenticity.

[@fruzsimih7214]

yes, Johann has a strong Austrian accent for example

[@andreasm538]

@@fruzsimih7214 Nö, ich denk mal, der ist aus dem tiefen Bayern. Aber ist ja auch egal.

[@mgnzmn9362]

The Chief of U-96, in real life, died in october 2023 at 107 years, his name was Friedrich Grade. The Captain, Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock became Captain of the only nuclear powered German ship, the cargo ship „Otto Hahn“ after the war. He died in 1986.

[@windsaw151]

Unfortunately the actor who playse the Chief (Klaus Wennemann) already died in 2000 from lung cancer.

[@antartis73]

@@windsaw151great actor

[@MarkKlimaszewski]

That is amazing!

[@minastaros]

And as far as I know, U-96 did not sink in La Rochelle.

[@mgnzmn9362]

@@minastaros Exactly, it was decommissioned in January 1945 and sunk during an allied air raid in February 1945 in Wilhelmshaven. The Movie (or the serie) differs also from the book in many small things. And the book differs from the reality in many things. I had the possibility to read the Kriegstagebuch where it’s stored. But you can also find excerpts on the internet.

[@vermithax]

A very long movie about German submarines in WWII is about as far from Cassie's bailiwick as it gets. Bless her for indulging us and I hope she gets something out of it.

[@ZeitdiebX]

This is a timeless masterpiece. There‘s no heroism in war. Only casualties. Only suffering. Hopelessness. Men dying in vain. This movie depicted all the horrors of war. The madness. The pointlessness. This one is a real treat. You will not soon forget the claustrophobia, the sounds. The ice running through your veins. Sudden flashes of remembrance. Nightmares. This is more than just a movie.

[@charlize1253]

Once the Allies broke the U-boat codes, tracking and killing them became child's play and they were sunk by the score. German sailors assigned to serve on them called their instructions "orders to report directly to Heaven."

[@xXturbo86Xx]

You're a fool and a coward. You wouldn't know a damn thing about heroism and sacrifice.

[@RustyDust101]

​@@charlize1253 you do know that breaking the enigma codes required constantly retaking the code books and machines themselves, right? Because one change of the settings of the three discs would create a new code. So no, it wasn't child's play afterwards. The guys with Alan Turning were geniuses working overtime on it. Their work was among the most important in the whole war. Btw: this is coming from a German who is very happy that you guys beat us back then. I don't want to show how high the German shepherd dog jumps with my right hand constantly. Not to mention all the other horrors...

[@ChalkyRN]

As an officer in the RN, we study the battle of the Atlantic and all of the factors it took to win - weapons, technology, industrial effort, planning and intelligence. No one factor decided it and the battle ebbed and flowed for both sides. Once the allies have all the factors sorted, (around late 1943) then it becomes a losing battle for Germany. We are made to watch this movie at Dartmouth and it still haunts me - a stunning piece of work.

[@3.k]

@@ChalkyRN That's cool, that one of my favorite movies has become a teaching material in the RN! :) Do you usually watch the director's cut? And, the dubbed version, or the subtitled one?

[@Kwodlibet]

You shed tears for those who didn't make it, you wanted to be sure the hydrophone guy got some pudding too... You are an absolute sweetheart 🙂

[@Why-D]

@Kwodlibet absolutely

[@m4inline]

Concur. This woman is an angel. The same angel 30000 drowned German boys lie at the bottom of the sea waiting one day to meet.

[@thomasgangl8990]

I can only agree ☺️

[@luxiwow2615]

Das Boot is one of the only Movies that doesn't get political, there is no Hollywood Heroism. It's true to life and in War, there are no Winners.

[@gigi-ij1hk]

Well, it does show that plenty of Germans were anti-Nazi and that the longer you served in the war, the less likely to support them you became

[@pouncepounce7417]

There is a lot of the political landscape shown if you know the history, how the older soldiers are very aware that they fight a loosing battle and put on the fake smiles around the political officers or secret service. That jazz is played at there parties is borderline too, or listening to enemy radio broadcast. There is a lot of umderlying political commentary, but hidden in double meaning as it would have been then.

[@miriamweller812]

I mean, those guys ARE Nazis. Would be a bit far to make them heroes...

[@Grafenfoto]

Check out the TV-Show from 1981 on wich the Movie is a compilation

[@okarinus2000]

“Only the dead have seen the end of war.” ― Plato

[@matthewsykes4814]

I first saw this as episodes on the BBC and was hooked instantly. At the time I didn't know it was a film. I have never watched anything like it. Nothing gets close. When some things happen I feel like I am there with the cast. No spoilers but the ending had me in tears yelling "You bastards!!!" and I'm a Brit yelling at my own country for doing what they did. This film is the best. I never get bored of it.

[@MrSpock-cc3qm]

Als deutscher kann ich nur sagen , das es mir unter die Haut ging , was du geschrieben hast . Es sind viele Sachen während der Weltkriege passiert , die in Worte nicht zu fassen sind . Jede Nation hat Grausamkeiten vollbracht , weil der Mensch an sich grausam sein kann , unabhängig von der Nation . Deswegen bin ich froh , nicht dabei gewesen zu sein , obwohl auch ich meinen Wehrdienst geleistet habe . Aber ich denke , wenn man so was erlebt hat , ist man gebrandmarkt und verdammt für den Rest seines lebens ! Damit meine ich immer wieder kerende Albträume durch grausame Erlebnisse des Krieges . Danke für deinen Kommentar , der mich sehr beeindruckt hat .

[@michellepeters7066]

Please watch "The Neverending Story". It's also from Wolfgang Petersen.

[@DanSolo0119]

One of my all-time favorite movies

[@brigidtheirish]

🎵"Neverending Stoo~ory..." 🎵

[@DanSolo0119]

@@brigidtheirish Ahahah ahahah ahahaaaah!

[@ForceMaximus84]

She has, just not reacted to it. At least, that’s according to her Letterboxd profile.

[@antitunnelvizie5877]

If i am correct The Book Never ending Story was written by Michael Ende I had the First print not so long ago and the intresting part is that the book story line is much bigger then the movie. and a lot better of a story becouse they let so much out it is a crime !!