Populism and proxy wars

Aleksandr Dugin, Antony Blinken, Nelofer Pazira and Leon Wieseltier on military intervention, Russia vs. the West, populism and Afghanistan. Check out the videos of the entire debate: nexus-instituut.nl/en/activit...

[@Ballardian]

Good God... to hear an American complain of a country interfering in another country's election is just priceless.

[@craighughes2191]

It still doesn't mean Russia not doing it also. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[@jimbocho660]

@@craighughes2191 The US attempt to surround it left Russia with no choice.

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

Why? Feel free to elaborate.

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

Russian hackers try to meddle with the US elections every time.

[@yuckfoutube6245]

@@jimbocho660 Boy, in another 6 months I bet the Russians will be wishing they had made a different choice.

[@patriciophillips7894]

Dugin really does speak a different language from these guys.

[@VoloBonja]

yeah, language of hate, twisted history and "west is to be blamed for everything". Fuck him, just a propagandist of his dictator putin. No new ideas whatsoever from Dugin

[@hekikoka5792]

He also seems to live in a hallucinatory world.

[@beautifulprogressivewester4156]

@@hekikoka5792 Liberalism says I'm a real girl 😘

[@liveuser8527]

Russian

[@aaronmstevenson]

Holy shit Blinken said we have a free media 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@grishabolkvadze4641]

That was exactly my reaction when he said it. Obviously, this video is for entertainment purposes only

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

Certainly more so than Russia does. Russia is practically a Dictatorship.

[@kostaburzan4182]

Still...compared with Russian media, it really is...

[@yuckfoutube6245]

@@kostaburzan4182 It is actually far worse than Russian Media. With Russian Media, you know what you are getting....

[@4epa1012]

@@kostaburzan4182 Really? Lmao

[@aacvieira]

4 years later, insightful.

[@davidhorkan8442]

3.30 Dugin smirks and replies "we will see".. He's an intelligent man and I dare say his vision of the future is far more realistic than the rest of these guys realise.

[@lolalucas-valjean5731]

Agree 💯

[@silverkitty2503]

He should have forseen that playing with fire would get him burnt ....

[@solidsol9]

It's sad to say and God Bless the Dead, but he/dugin may have very well lost his own daughter due to that smirk or rather the game that ......."He"....... decided to play ; in trying to forcibly take back the independent country of Ukraine. Now I love my country, but America in general and we Americans as a culture/people are definitely not perfect either. With that said, as a nation Americans are actually fairly UN-ambitious when it comes to taking over the world. With our military we could destroy ourselves and the entire planet a few times over. Yet we look to influence change more than force change. Granted there are great many things that we Americans/that Everyone should leave alone on this planet. But in fairness, I would ask the lady from Afghanistan to compare her country from a year and 1/2 ago to where it is today with the taliban in charge? I personally don't want to see war, I don't wish to see people/anyone get hurt. Americans have a lot to learn,.....But not everything is our fault on this planet And much like America if not more so, Russia is in many ways it's own worst enemy. Peace to us all,

[@heycidskyja4668]

@@solidsol9 Well said - America is not perfect, no country is, but is much a much better global hegemon than the kind of dictatorship Dugin would like to see. Dugin's daughter has paid the price for her father's hubris.

[@jnucleo]

@@solidsol9 Hate to rain on your delusional parade but have you not ever heard of John Perkins? General Smedley Butler? John Stockwell, former CIA operative in South America? Turn the mirror on yourself. Plenty of "democracy at the end of a gun barrel".

[@danni.rogger]

I like debates like this. I'm from Indonesia . I love to debate things that are worth discussing. because debating is very important and should be in every topic. a lot can really make us more insightful, mentally test, test courage in opinion, and can understand the mind more critically.

[@jesusislordsavior6343]

Danni Rogger It makes me uncomfortable to watch this, because while these famous or half-famous people speak with an air of confidence, while the audience laughs approvingly at things they say, NONE of them (panel or audience) has ANY idea what is going to happen in the future. (James 4:14, New Testament) 'Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow; you are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away.' (Psalm 94:11, Old Testament) 'The LORD knows the thoughts of man, that they are a breath.' (1st Corinthians 1:20, New Testament) ' 'Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom f God the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was well-[pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.' (Romans 10:9) '...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.'

[@keoghcf]

i love it too, u can learn alot from small people

[@raulalbertorozza6712]

Los anglosajones entienden la democracia de una manera totalmente distinta a los eslavos

[@kostaburzan4182]

It is not about understanding. It's about defining/definition of democracy.

[@henpines]

Los oligarcas eslavos simplemente no la quieren entiender

[@JorgeGarcia-vy3dl]

It is funny how Leon Wieseltier's strongest argument is that Alexandr Duguin is "evil". For me is a win for Duguin even if his English is not the best, his explanations contain a better analysis and understanding of our complex reality

[@hekikoka5792]

he blabbers incoherent gibberish with references to Wittgenstein, Kabbalah, mysticism, paganism and other nonsense and unsurprisingly fails to convey anything lucid or profound.

[@karolean8342]

Dugin doesn't make sense to me, how is populism good when it led to things such as Hitler and Putin? Why should people become fanatical religious of a single person or their own country instead of being masters of themselves? If someone can't think for themselves, if they can't even handle their own lives, why should I trust such a failure and share their political values when it only leads to stupidity and failure? Populism and Dugin embody weakness of the individual to me, they'd rather be sheep than human from what I gather. Populist societies are weaker than liberal societies as demonstrated many times in History and now in Ukraine. I don't care about the morality of it (which I would say disfavors populism) but I care about how much it will improve my life and Humanity as a whole. Populism is inefficiency, broad rules and limited thinking. Liberalism is competition at its best, survival of the fittest, nature incarnate, evolution.

[@i-invented-napster1521]

2 years later & not a single comment? Wow.

[@someguy4260]

The majority of the population has been brainwashed/dumb down/conditioned to spend all their time on things that will keep their mind from thinking about topics that will have a direct impact on their lives. Tik Tok/Instagram and other forms of entertainment. This is the state of our society and at this rate we are doomed!!

[@james6401]

Here's a comment: Blinken saying we still have a strong independent media is not true. Neutral reporting turned very quickly into propaganda after feb 24th 2022 and for the entire pandemic before that, anyone questioning the virus was shut down, banned, shunned. This stance leaked over to the dinner table where attempts at debate based on evidence turned to blows.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

A few now

[@AfricanInternationalist1918]

IM HERE NOW!

[@bobthebob9711]

I would love for someone to initiate this kind of talk now

[@southernknight9983]

America's Founding Fathers hated democracy. They have many quotes denouncing democracy. This is why we have become a constitutional republic with a heavily restricted government. "Democracy is like two wolves and a sheep voting for what to have for dinner." ~ Benjamin Franklin

[@tonys92178]

democracy doesn't work unless society is structured in such a way that capital cannot capture votes through nefarious means

[@Raakiszh]

@@tonys92178 It is the same mechanism which makes the phenomenon of product advertisement so insidious. Taking away true choice, reasoning and competition by means of enforcing existing hierarchies of power. Nothing has fundamentally changed since the days of aristocracies and despots.

[@jesusislordsavior6343]

Southern Knight Very interesting comment, especially for a non-American who can't understand why Americans inject partisan politics into everything under the sun. In that case, why only two parties? Doesn't it virtually guarantee bitter strife? Why not many parties, as they have in Israel, or none at all-----------just Independents voting according to conscience? In my own country, 'party discipline' is a scourge, everyone following the Leader or else in danger of his wrath (his, because wrath is not considered lady-like. Even our self-styled 'feminist' PM likes his lady ministers compliant.). This 'discipline' assures that our politics remain as amoral as possible while maintaining a thin veneer of superficial decency. How can one speak of genuine decency, when all parties from Left to Right support unrestricted abortion?

[@OrthoPhronema]

Dugin . . . Legend.

[@lardossebastien8631]

The current populism is built on the resentment of the population toward the current political system, it can become a revolution by arms but not necessarily. Ultimately, it is given to whoever uses it best to do something good or bad. To deny and frustrate it is unwise.

[@jamesmcdougal2]

The elites despise populism because it is a threat to their elitism. Thats not to dismiss their concerns about mob rule. The people of the world/proletariat sense what the elites are doing. The elites are irrational as well with their ego blinding them to the legitimate concerns of the people. I honestly never heard of Dugin before his daughters murder. His thoughts align with my view of the world as far as I can tell.

[@ivantheterrible5006]

1:59 - Wow, Venediktov changed his glasses, that I couldn't even think it's him.

[@puccini8799]

Это база!

[@seksualusis]

of russian education achievements, not much more

[@manassardar100]

The afgan person seems to be the only sane person here......

[@zd1322]

U kidding? NGO help is met with lethal action over there. Derp.

[@james6401]

It's an interesting debate between "direct democracy" and "representative democracy" but I feel there's a lot less participation than there could be, despite the risks of a populist herd mentality (which exists anyway via social media)

[@rostamr4096]

I could not agree more, very interesting talk

[@Rene-uz3eb]

An issue can be 'properly' debated but that's idealistic. But how can it be representative. The lawmakers are their own class and culture by definition (coming together as a community). If you want to have someone speak for you, you have to pick someone from the middle of your own cultural context, and then, when they did speak for you, have them return to your space. Hence populism, but of course that was an idealization too even though Trump keeping connected to 'his' group via enduring speaches was on the right track

[@cakemix007]

as I see it... the problem with American "representative democracy" is it doesn't represent the people - it "represents" a small and established elite... And hence Trump populism. I have no illusions about his abilities as an administrator - but his great asset is he has been rejected by the ruling elite That this is even possible - tells me the American democratic system is still functioning. What's failed is American media

[@kevintewey1157]

Wrong it's not social media it's mainstream media that creates the delusion and the populist

[@jesusislordsavior6343]

James Hally As it says in Ecclesiastes, 'there is nothing new under the sun', and this applies to the 'herd mentality' of which you speak. Tribalism did not die with the rise of 'atomized individualism', which I used to regard 10 years ago as the chief threat emanating from internet culture. Advances in communication and other technologies have done little or nothing to change, let alone 'improve' the essential nature of human beings. (I think the Afghan woman reflected on that briefly.) I think that democracy, like communism, can only exist in a meaningful way when practiced on a very small scale, by people who are intensely committed to fellowship and mutual care. Ideally these would be Christian communities, bound together by common loyalty to One Master and Savior. Even so, there would have to be guard-rails against dissension and the competitive spirit With procedural democracy in which millions of voters participate, I'm not sure how much the distinction between 'representative' and 'direct' democracy matters. Firstly, GOD remains Sovereign over ALL historical events, including political events regardless of cultural tradition or regime type. Secondly, there is NO WAY to determine something which does not exist, namely, a singular and unified 'will of the people'-------------not when 'the people' consist of millions of individuals from diverse ethnic and cultural groups, having diverse interests in various proportions. . Even if 'the people' had a will, it would probably be WRONG most of the time. (Jeremiah 17:9) 'For the heart is deceitful beyond all else, and is desperately sick; who can understand it?' I think one reason for lack of participation in elections is the CORRECT perception that they are a ritual performance, that citizens do not really have power to shape political decisions affecting their lives.

[@chumpchange1212]

please where is the full debate, its only outtakes, wtf this is madness

[@IAm-NotHear]

The Nexus Institute...where have you been all of my life?

[@tekkenleader2396]

Would have been weird if Dugin was President of Russia and Blinken was President of US

[@ajs3147]

left wing right wing chicken wing

[@afshinsalehi2136]

Just as the U.S. left Afghanistan, a very humane lawful compassionate government that loves women, in particular, came to power there!

[@usergiodmsilva1983PT]

Great closing points by Nelofer Pazira. 9:30

[@florinmoldovanu]

Yeah, too bad these political people are oblivious to the mechanics of the human mind, and that includes her. They are never going to achieve shit. Future is doomed.

[@liveuser8527]

Except he is wrong. USA has had greater impact and intervention on the world to significant magnitudes greater than Russia ever has

[@cdunne1620]

Wiesel is too sure of himself

[@lucashalveso]

strong independent midia?

[@dustinmeadows5234]

Interesting

[@josephkemler4488]

WOW!.. and Blinken too! surprise!..

[@TheGrace020]

This timeline sure is strange

[@indonesiamenggugat8795]

🌹🌹

[@louisuniverse]

fantastic content wow

[@dietrichschluter5562]

Words are the great war.

[@maxkloss1720]

Wtf!?. Blinken? What r u doing?

[@JiandiP]

One term that I think may be very pertinent but wasn't mentioned once: Traditionalism. The Traditionalists trace their philosophy back to Guenon, Evola, et al. Their ideal 'golden age' is a caste system of priests, warriors, merchants, and commoners. They view the world's ages as cyclical, with our current one being 'dark', just before a new dawn, with the caste pyramid inverted (commoners on top/ priests on bottom; material over spiritual). They see themselves as "against the modern world." War for Eternity by Tietelbaum is an excellent book on this subject. I think Dugin would have preferred if Bannon had not left the White House. Imagine: two supposed Traditionalists in the ears of the kings ruling two great superpowers. I say kings because there's another term, which I'm not yet sure how connected it is to Traditionalism, but similar: Neoreactionary. This is a newer movement out of Silicone Valey with ideals of a return to monarchy. Certain members of the supposed 'PayPal Mafia' openly quote from this newer philosophy. They also fund controversial politicians with a supposed goal of maximum disruption. It's reminiscent of Bannon's "burn it all down" remarks. I find it all very interesting. The Russo-Ukranian war is a new event in the whole mix. I think there's a global cultural war going on, mixed in with the classic economic reasons. What's crazy to me, is the mystical aspects of these movements which are heavily engaged in politics.

[@mareksicinski3726]

10:18 this makes no sense given those are paper thin and often don't fix it, a fundamental thing is needed, issues of so-called 'secuity simpyl do exist, and issue sinovling military means. The issue is in big part how all these are directed often dubiously and not always the right end

[@cinorikese5890]

Useless conversation. Talk about money, then you know how the world and how the mind works. And talk about work and remuneration.

[@MuhammadUsman-rm1po]

Lucky that i m here in busy world

[@unnamedness]

She is totally not Afghanistan.

[@siloton]

looking at her hand she definitely can be

[@miguelcasiano9532]

A lot of rich people.

[@IAm-NotHear]

What's your point?

[@blankabb1289]

They are not rich people manipulating others dumbs they are "philosophers" and "intelectuals"

[@eloteroerste4717]

4:56 when the power of words are more powerful than nukes!!!

[@TRolleybam]

The American founding fathers were very clear about Russian and Afghan policy and what that should be.

[@lisolis6017]

Min 12.09 : "Please Russia please America leave the World alone" she nail it.

[@tlNCG]

china will do the same. every gigant country will do the same, even worse. our life is full of hundreads of years old cliche like stats, religions, families with mother borned children not adopted, parents > friends, wars and violence acceptable for ideological reasons, etc. as long as chindren grow up with these, world is doomed cuz ppl repeat the actions but now with superior tech which ofc leads to disasters

[@frugalgardener7921]

Too bad trump didn't send him any condolences....

[@erikroark4]

I agree with the woman at the end. The rest are just but holes. Especially Blinkin.

[@The1976spirit]

Every clone war is a proxy war. Boba Fett is no clone, in what fantasy galaxy or wherever. Timuera Morrison, Lior Raz, Dar Salim, what do you think is wrong "in the state of Denmark'"?

[@agilmanizade187]

"Populism is exact opposite of critical thinking" - indeed!

[@johnnylopan4085]

Elitism is democracy!

[@tonys92178]

not necessarily true, I think he was implying the holocaust as proof but the people were more goaded into it by the oligarchy, similar to the culture war of the USA where people are polarized based on their political leadership.

[@kebab-case]

I do imagine people who vote for Putin and Trunp to lack critical thinking.

[@kostaburzan4182]

Who said that? Dugin?

[@georgepetrica567]

@@kostaburzan4182nop, dugin said populism is good and he got destroyed by the Einstein looking guy.

[@wenshu888]

Hahaha, where are the "self-correcting mechanisms" right now.

[@usergiodmsilva1983PT]

2:20 Dugin saying the Kaballah is the greatest achievement of human spirit... yeah... also wants to close the internet and get rid of physics ans chemistry texbooks... What a nutjob.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

Is that what he says?

[@valinogoldberg2475]

i guess he is being sarcastic? to trap wieseltier that eventually says it has nothing to do with to do with the wisdom of the people..

[@VoloBonja]

Dugin has shitty arguments, no new ideas. Boring and stupid russian propaganda, where russia is awesome and all neighbors are dead or slaves.

[@JorgeGarcia-vy3dl]

Actually if you pay attention Wieseltier is the one that has spent a great part of his life studying the Kabalah...😂

[@someguy4260]

Nelofer Pazira absolutely spot on!!!

[@hamidhamidi3134]

I am disappointed when we Afghanisrani people only blame others. There are many many contradictions and unresolved issues in the very essence of what's called Afghanistan. We never discuss our deep deep nternal issues and conflicts. Pazira is Afghan ( no body really knows what it means ) only by name. If she goes to Afghanistan she will be a total stranger and a westerner. We never ask why the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Why the Americans invaded Afghanistan. Why prior to the Soviets invasion, Afghanistan went through 2 coups etc.

[@KingOfRyuma2002]

What’s the name of the guy that destroyed Dugin in this debate. He is very smart.

[@michelmersea]

What a farce

[@Omarqaid1999]

Lo

[@bowlregard9894]

Dugin is the most rational voice here, but that's a low bar.

[@VoloBonja]

that's called propaganda, not rationality. He just blames USA for everything bad happening, while russia is a terrorist state (starting wars, genocides, killing everyone who disagrees). That's rational for you? Dugin supports killings 100%, he said it many times. Think again about the word choice, definitely not "rational" :)

[@checktheplaylist101]

I will save you some fast forward when the nice lady talks.. Dugin & Wieseltier need to be heard. Evil & Righteousness on display.

[@iainclark4835]

Aleksandr Dugin This guy is intoxicated by his own verbosity .......

[@dsm5d723]

He was trying to make a perfectly salient point, namely that the ruling political classes have become increasingly disconnected from the populations they rule, and populism has been demonized to help keep elite controls on the levers of policy, despite supposed liberal democratic ideals. I don't know why this seems obvious to me and others don't see it. The social media censorship of anyone opposing the mainstream narrative is part of the denial of rationality to the people by their overlords, make no mistake about that.

[@ulthric670]

oy vey leon!

[@valinogoldberg2475]

B class thinkers defending their own bully state which has tons and tons skeletons in their respective closets?

[@stevengrammer4078]

Good job Blinken.🌎

[@mirceacrisan4108]

"In our russian democratic system" Lol.

[@Mahalakshmi-Khan]

More than the US 2 party dictatorship

[@kostaburzan4182]

Of course, nonsense by itself...

[@jesusislordsavior6343]

Mircea Crisan Apparently Mr. Putin can understand the deepest desires of the Russian people telepathically, sitting alone at his long table or wherever else he likes to sit. He embodies their 'will' to such an extent that he does not really need elections. But he has them anyway, to demonstrate how generous he is, allowing a small opposition to exist. Life can go downhill fast for a person who has dared oppose Mr. Putin. The Russian people must be very angry with them, because Mr. Putin is never responsible for the terrible things which happen to them, like getting shot in the back, or getting poisoned with Novichok. Vladimir is such a nice Russian Orthodox boy. He slaughters Ukrainian Orthodox people. He allies himself with the islamic republic of Iran and with atheistic China. We do not know when or how, but this man's career is coming to an end.

[@kalina_apis]

Russia is much more democratic country than satanistic USA and England!!!!!

[@liveuser8527]

2020 stolen election.. In postmodernism, IF the West has "democracy", then Russia has "democracy"

[@yuckfoutube6245]

Yeah, let's leave places like Afghanistan alone. They are completely happy living in the 11th century. Stop training terrorists and you've got a deal.

[@afshinsalehi2136]

Just IF AMERICA CEASES TO EXIST, what good will happen?

[@davidradaku5869]

A FREE WORLD!

[@josesolis5257]

RECONQUISTA!

[@georget7028]

Bafflegab.

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

Dugin is out of his mind lol

[@umeroman9972]

Uraaa Dugan

[@TheCkap35]

So odd to hear Dugin (an unapologetic fascist) platformed at an event like this.

[@BigBee2]

Dugin! If you see this, turn to Jesus Christ YESHUA for TRUTH AND salvation and the forgiveness of your sins before it's too late for you, choose this Day or die in your sin

[@Kriegtime101]

Dugin is an example of the extreme mental effects of high doses of radiation.

[@deckard7875]

Envy is an ugly beast..

[@liorsilverstein9802]

yeah he is a genius like Tesla.

[@henpines]

Dugin is a ridiculous irrationalist

[@inbuckswetrust7357]

this is the «feminism» the world needs

[@seksualusis]

You would be so right, if the world could downsize to that only. And still, you would have spread of opinions (and their immaturity) to fight firsthand. They call it populism right here.

[@ferdomravec1520]

First time seeing the mythical Dugan in a debate ... that guy's arguments are extremely shallow, it is like listening to angry teenager, but with more nice words to make him sound smart.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

Feelings don't care about facts often.

[@VoloBonja]

exactly my thoughts. No new ideas, just propaganda out of his mouth

[@user-mg1hp4fu4u]

Did I just witness Dugin owned?

[@tankiebot704]

no

[@Bemisfan1]

No.

[@johnnydoughboy1904]

Haha I didn't see that happen

[@FuncraftVideos]

no, you just witnessed your plebeian self-consciousness

[@abdullahshafi4800]

No just you bro

[@user-mn2gb6bh7z]

.+Отче наш, Иже еси на небесех. Да святится имя Твое. Да приидет царствие Твое, да будет воля Твоя, яко на небеси и на земли. Хлеб наш насущный даждь нам днесь. И остави нам долги наша, якоже и мы оставляем должником нашим. И не введи нас во искушение. Но избави нас от лукаваго. Яко Твое есть Царство, и сила, и слава Отца, и Сына, и Святаго Духа ныне и присно и во веки веков. Аминь.

[@blairhakamies4132]

Dear Managers of this channel, did you ever think that you are damaging the EXCELLENCY of what you are organising/sharing? When I am ready a book I reduce my alert mode and my attention mode towards the book so I am focused on the book and I have pencils and my note book so there is a dialogue between me and the author. I walk daily 10 kilometers in the forest. I prefer to select to listen ONLY COMPLETE programs. I avoid stuff of less than 45 minutes. So, you manage to make this absolutly brilliant conversation and the best idea you got was to slice it. It is boring, un-educative, plus extremely irratating with so much advertising. Think about it. 🌹

[@TheNexusInstitute]

Thanks for the feedback. But actually the best idea we got was to upload the full conversation :) You can find it here: nexus-instituut.nl/en/activity/the-last-revolution. May we also say that having to watch the advertising is really only a small price to pay for content that was quite expensive to create for a small nonprofit organization...

[@blairhakamies4132]

@@TheNexusInstitute thank you. Keep the good work. When you are in the forest with gloves it is messy the process of finding the next video and skip advertising. 🌹

[@jn4kp1]

@@blairhakamies4132 Karen, no one cares about your opinion. You literally said it; You're someone else lost in the forest. As a psycololgist, it is very easy to spot behaviour patterns like yours: You are no one. And you have no real power - (you need to try to influence here) and you have no meaningful social life (you explain your routine with detail in some random comment. Cope and sorry for you. TLDR, get a life.

[@DrHydro-mq7sw]

Grundgütiger...... Rasputin auf Koks?

[@jiddu9221]

A round of smart people trying to have a dialogue and in between - Dugin, who is so lost and confused that you can hardly listen to him without feeling ashamed...

[@georgepetrica567]

Dughin is definitely the half-learned at that table.

[@XinaCCPFreeTibet]

Lol this Dugin is not looking left or right but straight at pootyin to find why he tried to kill him and worst landed up killing his daughter. 😏

[@rostamr4096]

The comment by Nelofar comparing the US to the Russians in destroying Afghanistan is unfair and wrong on so many levels. There are no comparisons. The US did its best to help and build Afghanistan.

[@fernandososa4780]

Yes, US is better seller of heroin that Russians 🤣🤣🤣🤣