Ported Stihl Ms461 in the wood. Tuning a chainsaw with a limited coil.

[@Tysoncutstrees]

Tinman. You and Buckin’s videos are my highlights throughout the week. I’ve learned lots of saw information and mechanics from you and the Ironhorse. I to am usually a firewood cutter. I ported my first saw (farmertec 372xp) with parts from Wolfcreek. Looking forward to the 288xp build

[@vicwaytek7223]

Timing I have a 461 stock which I have only a few hours on. I really think it's like a 044 on steroids. Thanks for reviewing a Stihl product. There are a lot of us stihl guys out here.

[@tyedwinnell950]

you are my favorite teacher of tuning sawz

[@rickyflinchum2909]

Glad to see the ole Tinman running a stihl. I like husky, but I'm a stihl guy for sure. Got me another stihl 660 I'm building now, whenever I get the rest of my parts.

[@230e4]

Folks not familiar with tuning a limited ignition saw such as the 461 may find it beneficial to tune with a tachometer. The 046, ms460, and ms461 use a different outside spike than the 064, 066, ms660, the R-model spikes work very well and are my favorites for felling. Stock I find the 461 to have good torque and pulls a 25" bar fine but is lacking with a 28", the clutch stalls more easily, you will find the clutch drums last longer on a ported one vs stock with properly sharpened chain and longer bars (same on 044, 462, 500i etc). The regular 461 oiler barely oils a 25" bar adequitely in hardwoods so I would upgrade to a high output oiler if yours is not an R model, it significantly cuts down on bar wear and lubes the chain better in the cut. The air filtration on the 461 like most Stihls sucks, to the point I have had them consistantly start running poorly after felling 5 trees and shut off after felling 12 trees with the stock filter and not want to run until I change or blow out the air filter, a Maxflow solves this problem. 3/4 wrap ported R model 461 arctics running a 28" es light bar (balances very well) with Maxflow air filter, & factory dual port muffler are my choice of saw in the winter. With proper maintenance the 046 (no flippy caps 👍), ms460, ms461 saws will easily last the average user a lifetime. Great, reliable saws.

[@justinweaver8787]

Any idea on the hi output chain oiler? I run a 28in on mine love a heavy Oiler tho.

[@230e4]

@@justinweaver8787 If your pump is not a R-model high output you can install R-model pump piston 1128-647-0602 and control bolt 1128-647-4803 in your existing pump housing or purchase the whole pump assy. You will also want to replace the o-ring for the control bolt. I run mine wide open with 24"+ bars, fill the fuel tank to the bottom of the slot for the cap retainer as the saw will run out of oil before it runs out of fuel if you fill the fuel tank with the high output pump.

[@justinweaver8787]

@@230e4 i run 28in bar falln hardwood timber here in Tennessee. Need all the oil i can get.

[@230e4]

@@justinweaver8787 a sharp chain and good oiler is key for sure. I have modified the pump piston on other saws that did not option a high output pump to increase the output for hardwoods. Oil is expensive but wearing out bars (especially light bars), tips, and chains is too. Plus a well lubed chain causes less drag and runs cooler benefitting the saw and operator.

[@justinweaver8787]

@@230e4 absolutely

[@ppxstnr]

I have a stock one. They are very strong stock. its the only stock saw I have. Very smooth power band. I reach for it more often than my modded saws. Bought it brand new in 2015. Never had a single issue.

[@markwebster9455]

I have a stock 461, with a 25” & 28” full comp chain it’s really strong, it likes being put under load and never bogs down, it feels stronger than my 660 although I’ve never put them head to head to see how they compare on the same wood with the same chain.

[@mikeyoung5329]

I am a PNW logger from canada ..In my opinion those are the 2 best saws sthil has made... the new 500i is a nice treat aswell

[@tazman-kennyfuller]

Great saw and great video Tinman. Great explanation on 4 stroking and Rev limiter. Love it buddy. Thank you Tinman🌲❤️🌲👊🪓

[@ryanbealer4280]

With my 461, I put it on half choke, pull it slowly through TDC, and then she fires first pull also.

[@zeromark202]

Love 461’s!

[@zachgordon9531]

I really like all you're saws, stand up job. Love the videos keep up the great work.

[@perbergman7014]

Tack!

[@tinmanssaws]

Thanks per

[@aldredske6197]

Hi Tinnman!!😀😀 I don't have a ms 461 but I have a couple ms460s. My 460 also will usually fire on the first pull and if you aren't careful it will flood instantly. If you run it every day you usually don't even have to choke it when it's cold for it to start. If you choke it and pull it over once it will be flooded and then you have to pull and pull too get it to start. Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍 Logger Al

[@SgtPUSMC]

I just bought a used 461 to handle the "big stuff" that my 362 struggles with. TBH, I've been a bit disappointed in the 362, it constantly bogs down on full length cuts running a 20" bar. It handles the smaller stuff fine, but that's not why I bought that saw. I have an old 250 that I use for the small stuff. Someday I'll replace it with a 261, but that little 250 will not die and does the job. Anyway, back to the 461, it has a 25" bar and a full house chain and it chews through live oak logs like nothing. Based on that experience I decided to throw on an 8 point sprocket to see how it would do. Still running the 25" bar, that thing cuts anything I've tried, no chain catches, no bogging down. I am really impressed with the 461 and I'm now thinking of selling the 362 because I find it hard to think of situations where I'd reach for it. Small easy stuff is handled by the 250, and anything bigger is a job for the 461. Saving two pounds is significant, but not worth the frustration when I know the 461 will get the job done with no fuss.

[@jasonmercer9962]

Tin Man that ported Stihl is rowdy!

[@justinweaver8787]

I still have my 461 an still gotra get it ported. Have a good weekend buddy saw runs good my friend.

[@emeraldstevens8922]

They're strong saws stock with the exhaust open up a bit kinda slow with stock muffler

[@mfsaws8240]

Shoot I took like .050 off my base and didn’t have issues. 461 is my favorite saw too!

[@aaronpowell4885]

Like you, I like all brands. Even some of the "hardware store specials" never really been a stihl nut. But lately, I've really been getting into them! Not that I'll turn into a stihl fan boy, they've just piqued my interest! Thanks again for sharing👍

[@danielsmith8659]

I have a stock one. Well it was stock…straight shot and air filter now. But yeah it mine pops on the first or second pull as well.

[@Chucky-b7v]

Tinman, she rips mate 👍🏼

[@stevessaws3612]

Definitely pat yourself on the back, Tinman. You restored and modified a blown up Stihl and now it's yours. Well done mate. 👍🇦🇺

[@famasmaster2000]

That saw sounds beautiful Tinman !! love it 😀

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Great video, Tinman! I ran a 461 for quite a while and loved it. However, the non-mtronic 462 wins it for me. Better filtration system and lighter for this old body! 👍

[@snoman1969]

Didn't think they made a non m tronic 462?

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

@@snoman1969 Yep! Not easy to find everywhere, but I have seen several on the shelves of local dealers in my area here in Pennsylvania.

[@snowysnobdds7842]

@@snoman1969 the Forrest service only buys non m tronic saws. Can't take a computer on the fire line if it needs attention. 🔥 They make all pro saws with old school carbs. My dealer carries a few of each model for the old timers.

[@snowysnobdds7842]

You're right about filtration on the 461, it's only flaw. Stihl got it right otherwise.

[@jackylsmith8138]

I have a 461, mine will fire on about pull 3-4 with full choke, then will start on next pull half choke. The 461 is known to for its low torque. A good port just makes a bit more. The 462 will cut faster through smaller wood, but the 461 will cut faster through bigger wood.

[@dallasstar6533]

What diameter are we talking here ?

[@neilcurtis2741]

My friend has a 461 stock and it is a bear to pull over, especially in winter! he loves it cuts oak and ash with it all the time nothing seems to slow it down. Stihl full wraps are kinda goofy how they come back around on the clutch side, buddy’s got to take his handle off the run it on his processor

[@danbaker3525]

As you said this saw is angry haha I just got a 362c great running saw also waiting on the full wrap handle and gonna throw on some dawgs

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Thanks for the video! I learned that Stihl is pronounced steel. I was shocked. However, since the brand came from Germany, .....

[@redman715]

💪💪 they are impressive

[@stevehickman3077]

Tinman I have a ms 460 stock with a 36" full house ot has all the grunt power you would need starts with 3 pulls all year around around my area we cut oaks 26"-34" in diameter they are a awesome saw

[@powersawtomfoolery6739]

I have 3 460's and a 461. They're all better with at east a full port front cover. I have to say, I just got a 400c. I put the West Coast Bark Box and air filter on it. It's unreal! I'll probably never cut firewood with the 460/461 size saws again!

[@ChippyOutdoors]

Good runner tinman! Long bars all the way where one can. 24 inch on the ol ported 026 full time, have pulled 28 full comp on it using a good chunk of it but obviously don't suggest it. 28 to 32 in the bar fleet in most cases over here too 👍 raffling a 32inch this Thursday coming up on live if you like to enter!

[@mikeyoung5329]

Ive owned a 461 for many year now i bought it for bucking on the hillside of a heli logging show... ive use it for shake blocking and 100s of chords of firwwood.. shes a bit of a bitch to start to be honest but its never let me down and has made me hundreds of thousands of dollars... its even got bite marks in the wrap arounds from grizzley bears one summer in Toba Inlet.... cheers 🍻

[@mikepaterno4955]

Hello Tinman, I have a stock 461. Beast of a saw has more power than my 372 and ms440. 440 is the lightest!

[@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648]

Great video Tinman

[@MitchellsBackyardLogging]

Good runnin saw think you can get aftermarket full wraps pretty reasonable unless your wanting a stihl full wrap love the videos 👍

[@plowmaster1206]

But the AM jobs are soft.... new ones proly gettin better

[@wharfedalelocksmiths5430]

Tinman ya need put up hey friends back up in shop you love that some did for you thanks tinman 😁

[@garengtutorial8923]

Wah Alus euy lobasan mesina

[@markatkinson9963]

Wish I had one.

[@wharfedalelocksmiths5430]

Sweet cherry pie tinman love a Stihl hope ya and wifey doing ok loving all the videos take it easy man look after ya wifey!! 😀Jason

[@pm270100]

sounds good cuts well looks like its got big comp ///got an old 46 mag needs parts time dollars lol

[@wharfedalelocksmiths5430]

Lol look like bear moving that log aaaarrrrŕ ha tinman 😂

[@davewittek5180]

Love your channel Have you run Opti-2 2 cycle oil at the recommended ratio on their containers in your chainsaws

[@localcrew]

I have a 461. It’s a lot of saw.

[@davidmurphy8172]

Just gunna fire up my 461 I built got it given to me by my old boss who couldn't understand cleaning air filter will help it live she's ruff but fingers crossed tommorow morneing between the port job an all aftermarket parts she dosnt explode hahaha

[@arnilazarev1771]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@two-strokesmoke7289]

I also have a 440, it catches rpms quicker but my OLD 046 and the 461 have more low end I think. (longer stroke of piston= more torque) We are dangerously close to HD lingo here.....😁😁😁

[@cyrillepinton3398]

As far as I know the 460 is a "big bore 440", with a larger case to feed the larger cylinder, but same stroke. You may build a 80cc 440/460 with Hyway kit.

[@cameronhamer9432]

The company had 050 stihls, they were a pig to start , they liked to pull the handle thru your fingers . They had cork holes in them from guys kicking them . They replaced them with 2100 Husqvarnas , been a husky fan ever since. Johnsered too . 👍🇨🇦

[@rogerstafford-wakeinc.2088]

Hey you were supposed to make me a couple toothpicks....👍🏼

[@two-strokesmoke7289]

I have a 461, but it has limiters on the carb (high and low jets) It is kinda hard to get it rich enough on a real cold day. I always try and do the mix somewhere between 35 to 40 to one. Can one remove the limiters on the carb adjust???

[@powersawtomfoolery6739]

Yes, there are quite a few videos on how to remove the limiters. You can use a screw to pull them out and file off the tab. Put them back in and away you go.

[@mattfleming86]

A fine thread drywall screw will put you in business. try to line up the tab with the slot before you pull

[@jeffreyrubish347]

I hope all the guys who asked to see thus are Stihl watching 😆

[@viorelscrob6391]

Is your forest?

[@leonardobatistarocha7956]

The Lumberjack Jackyl Composition: Jesse James Dupree Ha haaa I was born in the backwoods Of a two-bit nowhere town Fathered up some rock 'n' roll (baby) So your mothers could boogie down I ain't whistling Dixie No I'm a rebel with a groove All around the world the go 'round and 'round When they dig on my new stainless steel sound oh yeah I'm said a lumberjack baby And I'm gonna cut you down to size I'm a lumberjack now baby And you're the one you're the one that gets my prize When you hear my motor running You know I surely be coppin' a rise Oh! So I'm gonna crank it up down the alley and jack it Woo I'm a lumberjack now baby I'm a lumberjack now baby I'm a lumberjack now baby Ohh I'm a lumberjack now baby But I ain't jacked my lumber baby Since my chainsaw you (Oh yeah) Ha haaa Whether you like it or whether you don't woo That's the way we like it

[@powersawtomfoolery6739]

I can't stand not having the outside dog on a big saw. If you haven't tried the West Coast 3 point dogs, you should. You might like them.

[@apollorobb]

Cant Kick a guy for liking something. I like Echo's it is what it is

[@viorelscrob6391]

I have stihl 039 but i don't know how many horsepower he have.

[@jaredmessmer8879]

tinman I have a Johnsered 2171 and it needs a piston is there a huskavarna piston that will work in the stock cylinder thanks

[@mercoldswfo]

That should be the same as a husqvarna 372

[@jackcarroll4251]

I'll take it

[@seanbarrasin9441]

it's to leen mate or to rich

[@justinweaver8787]

Stock they are easy to start not super strong in my opinion. But they do cut timber

[@leonardobatistarocha7956]

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[@two-strokesmoke7289]

Tinman, do you own a Harley yet? As much as you like mechanicals........it would be love at first thump. (LOL)

[@tinmanssaws]

I've had several Harleys over the years. Most of my wrenching background is harley based. Love them v twins

[@two-strokesmoke7289]

@@tinmanssaws Me too.......

[@mikeyoung5329]

You spend to much time putting your saw down and picking up limbs with your hands... use your bar like an extra arm to flick shit outta ur way.. you can even lightly tap and give it some juice and shoot stuff outta the way.. just be careful. Cheers 🍻

[@TheF1shh]

steeeeeeeeeeeeel

[@OriginalTailhunter]

StiiiiiL

[@ΣΤΕΛΙΟΣΒΛΑΧΟΣ-ο5λ]

Ρε φίλε ιεροσυλία...αυτό τα πριόνι για τέτοια μικρά ξύλα...!!

[@basarservisitrgovina]

I look at you Americans and Canadians and one thing is not clear to me. Why do you put those long guides on and then saw those thin woods? Why bother and wrestle with heavy saws and long guides? Greetings

[@jackcarroll4251]

Saves your back by not bending over. Stand up and buck

[@tinmanssaws]

Easier on the back, way less chance of a kickback catching you in the chest or face. Nobody uses long bars here, once I tried them I totally understood their benefits.

[@basarservisitrgovina]

@@jackcarroll4251 Alright. And what about the back while carrying a saw weighing 10 kilos?

[@jackcarroll4251]

@@basarservisitrgovina carrying the saw on my shoulder doesn't affect my back what's so ever

[@zeromark202]

Love 461’s!