PORTED Subwoofer Showdown / Klipsch RP-1600SW vs SVS PB16-Ultra Head to Head!!

[@PureMediaSystems]

We realized we misspoke about acoustic output after the video was published, and will be addressed in a future video. It takes about 10dB for the human ear to feel as though it's twice as loud. A difference of 3dB is what it takes for a change to be perceived by the human ear. It also takes double the power (all else being equal) to increase the acoustic output by 3dB.

[@askmatt7283]

Assuming all testing conditions between the subs are equal, these results are going to raise some eyebrows. The SVS flagship getting beat by a sub equipped with an amp 700 watts RMS less at a price point $1100 more affordable is stunning. If I am SVS watching this I am getting very anxious about market share. The SVS Monday morning managers meeting just got VERY interesting 😳

[@MrArjanOskam]

Was about time tho. Klipsch speakers had awesome value, but their subs were mediocre...

[@carewser]

No, they measured them in totally different rooms with totally different signals

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@MrArjanOskam Thank you for your feedback! It is nice to see that Klipsch is finally taking subwoofers seriously again!

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@carewser As you can see in the video, the measurements were taken with the subwoofers in the exact same place with the exact same signal with no changes made.

[@santiagoezquerrocordon1470]

​@@carewser have you watch the video?? The place is the same. What is wrong is te way they did it. There is two ways of doing it: - Match the Db in both subwoofers, and then check with REW. - Try to push hard both subwoofers, cheking what the real db that both can reach. They didn't do any of this. They set both sub amps at max power. and set the signal sound at -18db. What if they set the signal at -10 and the klipsch start to show compresión, but the pb16 can go further even over reference level in the AVR?? In this videos is clear than the klipsch is a good subwoofer, but I only see one reason to don´t do any of the other test. They wanted top show Klipsch is better, thats all. They say in the comment they are gonna do the other test, but whats the point of having both subs together and not doing all the test possible.

[@karnevil777]

Thanks for the review. Recognizing the limitations of in-room testing I have a few questions about the test method that I didn't hear addressed in your discussion: (1) Is the SVS in extended mode (i.e., 1 port plugged)? It has about 9 dB more output around 15-16 Hz in extended mode than when no ports are plugged; (2) Why did you run the sweeps with an LPF engaged with corner freq set well below 80 Hz? (3) How did you level-match the subs before running the sweeps? You said you set the volume control on each sub to max so okay, but you can't penalize one sub because it's preamp input has lower sensitivity. Ultimately that is compensated for by the RE software in the AVR and has no effect on the max output unless you have a very bad AVR. All across the midrange portion of the sweep your plot shows a consistent offset. This is not because the SVS is inferior in design, it's because you didn't level-match them mid-band before running the sweeps. I'm not questioning whether the Klipsch has more output below 20 Hz, just what the actual difference is. (4) You said you didn't use any equalization. Part of the $1100 price difference is due to the SVS having an app that allows the user to fine tune the response, though it has little ability to boost it below 20 Hz. Just saying that when you harp on the $1100 price difference, you should take into account the features offered in each. (5) Obviously there is more to performance than is revealed by these sweeps. THD, CEA-2010, compression, etc. In spite of all of the above the Klipsch appears to be punching at its weight and above. I just think a more thorough examination of their performance and feature sets needs to be considered.

[@1FastGXP]

Bingo! I've been saying this all along that there is a discrepancy in their PB16-Ultra results versus those of other reviewers. Even their own SB16-Ultra figures show they nerfed the PB16-Ultra. I'm sure the RP-1600SW is an amazing sub, but to state that you're being objective when you clearly aren't is just bad business. I think someone has stock in Klipsch, or is getting compensation for pushing their new line of subs. 🤦‍♂️

[@vasilpandev8651]

Two important things are not included in this test: harmonic distortions and transient response. We can't judge who's the winner without information about the above-named characteristics. Having more output in the subsonic region below 20Hz really doesn't matter in music. Sounds below 25 Hz in music are very rare, as are penguins in the Sahara desert, but the difference in distortions and transient response is something that you can hear every day in every song.

[@SpecOfTech]

Thanks for sharing this! I think it would be worthwhile to compare compression testing for both. That will help show the output capabilities of both in your room.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. Make sure to subscribe, when the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@hundrakg]

2 things: 1) in wich portmode did the SVS run in? 2) you have to max each sub out to compare what they can perform..... it isnt enough to play loud and compare frequency responce., run each sub and raise 1 db at a time until each sub reaches maximum performance spl between lets say 14hz to 80hz, only then will we know wich one can achieve more spl .

[@PureMediaSystems]

@hundrakg Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@hundrakg]

@@PureMediaSystems great, thanks, looking forward to the test

[@Hottnick2010]

​@@PureMediaSystemsbut your claiming its apples to apples. So where was the gain on the klipsch when you unboxed it?

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@Hottnick2010 The gain was set to max on both subwoofers.

[@Gstar999]

whats the conclusion? whos the winner?

[@stav55]

Can you guys compare the new RSL 12" woofer to the Klipsch 12" RP woofer? Would be a cool shootout. Both similarly ported and similar power.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for the suggestion, we will keep that in mind for future videos.

[@haraldem4274]

The curve of the PB16-Ultra oddly looks kind of similar to the RP-1200SW's. It would have been interesting to have it included.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. We will keep that in mind for future videos. When the weather improves we are going to do max output tests.

[@JustEnjoyingLife73]

Was the PB-16 tested with all ports open or in extended mode?

[@marinusvansplunter4498]

it looks like its in 20Hz mode.. It explains the differences at16Hz.. What a bad test! this says nothing without also publishing the distortion data..

[@PureMediaSystems]

It was tested in standard mode with all ports open. We will be doing more testing in future videos, so make sure to subscribe!

[@marinusvansplunter4498]

@@PureMediaSystems you should also measure at different levels so you can see where the actual max spl per frequency is. Also you should compare distortion at equal levels...

[@roco9504]

Finally others who are witnessing this! I did SPL-150 vs pb16 ultra comparison myself in my room but no one would believe my measurements. It wasn’t like this though goodness it really killed it! 😁 People are to caught up in watts but it’s not all about watts ..

[@Stepi-jv9ql]

If Klipsch subwoofers were so bad, people would buy them... I think Klipsch does a good job with subwoofers and the fact that people don't know how to treat subwoofers is another thing, then they cry that it stopped playing for them and of course it immediately boils down to the quality Amen.

[@HoHkennels]

I love my dual r115sw (with the spl 150 amp replacement). I still plan to get dual rp1600 for the dedicated theater and move my 115s upstairs. I think lot of people try to steer consumers away from klipsch products due to misconceived rumors rather that real world experience.

[@roco9504]

@@HoHkennels agreed, or rather, maybe not “rumors” but past old Klipsch products which is messed up to compare it to since it’s not the same, new & improved . I’d love to get dual rp1600’s but I think for now I’ll sell both of my spl-150’s & buy 1 rp1600

[@HoHkennels]

@@roco9504 im eager to puchase. Curious though to wait for the black Friday, cyber monday or fourth of July sale to see if i can get any potential discount since I'm not in am immediate need for one. Really digging the new feet on these

[@roco9504]

@@HoHkennels good point!! By then we would also know if the new klipsch “beast” subwoofer is actually ever going to release or not. If no word releases on it within the next few months then I’ll give in & do the rp1600

[@infrasonicrebasses4763]

this is absolutely amazing ...... I love this video the fact you guys actually took the time to get the measurements and give us hard evidence and not like some other reviewers who ain't got no measurements to show and uses grammar to describe math ..gosh ..its annoying ...this video you guys made here is like a blessing .... now do some JTR captivator subwoofers!!

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback

[@alexandredecarvalhosalomon4664]

Olá, sou do Brasil, pretendo comprar 2 subwoofers para meu sistema, qual das marcas vc indica? Minhas caixas são todas klipsch. Obrigado, por suas informações.

[@avemardore]

Thanks for spending your time, muscle and treasure sharing this with us Fellas.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Our pleasure! Thank you for your support!

[@boterhammetpindakaashagelslag]

Port chuffing is more common with circular ports. The horizontal slot works better, as it does with the Arendal subs.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback.

[@Mo-tn1gm]

I just found your channel and want to thank you for an up-front review. Planning on one new sub to replace a small pair of JL Audio subs I was using for home theater. I was ready to buy an SVS PB-16 Ultra, but having seen this will go Klipsch. Since both mfgrs have 5 year warranty, this makes the decision a no-brainer. It is very encouraging to hear Klipsch still does serious engineering work and now I am excited to see what a difference this will make. (replacing JL Audio F110s)

[@1FastGXP]

Getting the Klipsch would be a nice investment, but do realize their testing of the PB16-Ultra didn't show it's max output. They even admit that, in the comments only. The video was far from objective and unbiased. Therefore, your decision to pass on the PB16-Ultra in the end will most likely leave you with the less powerful sub of the two.

[@Mo-tn1gm]

​@@1FastGXP Thanks for the feedback, but I only gave the condensed version of my room and budget. An open concept 7,000 Cu Ft non-dedicated space with multiple angled walls, the equivalent of four sliding glass doors and vaulted ceilings is not going to be great no matter how many tens of thousands I invest in it. I've already spent six figures on my kids education, this is just a simple setup for movies. When guys from TX who already own the SVS speak, I'll listen and pocket the $1k difference.

[@1FastGXP]

​@@Mo-tn1gm enjoy your new sub. 👍

[@markroze3641]

Well done video. I thought you were being as unbiased as you could. You seem like cool dudes! That new klipsch looks really impressive for the money. How much headroom do you think each subwoofer had left? We’re they both near their upper (safe) limits? I know you mentioned something about -18 in the video. Just curious how much more output each had. I’d be curious to see some REQ compression sweeps of both, just to kind of see where each started compressing.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@JOHNNYJAMS08]

Bravo Klipsch! It be great if you or someone could compare the Klipsch vs the Monolith M15 v2.

[@kingtubbyleeperry]

I've got 2 M15 v2. Love them.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. We will keep this in mind for future videos.

[@IDDQD1984]

I ordered rp-1600sw. Its on the way. Few more days and i can test it :)

[@PureMediaSystems]

We hope you enjoy it. Let us know if you need help with any other equipment, we will be happy to help.

[@kylebocanegra5948]

You need to redo this comparison with the SVS in EXTENDED mode, where is it has higher output...

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. We are going to have videos in the near future with max output tests in all modes, so be sure to subscribe!

[@KimmoJaskari]

So my takeaway here is that the RP-1200SW is basically approaching SVS Ultra levels of output. For under half of the price. You could buy two 1200's for the cost of one SVS. For a home theater, I dunno, words like "slam dunk" want to creep into my vocabulary. Bravo, Klipsch. SVS probably still has some benefits, like full tuning and DSP remotely from the couch, as well as a parametric EQ in the box itself, and possibly fit and finish and materials quality. Also, of course, which sub out of all of these that's the most controlled and musical for people who want to play tunes as well as listen to explosions. I was on the verge of pulling the trigger on an SB 2000 Pro (going to Ultra money is just not warranted for my needs) but now I'm really leaning towards the Klipsch. Only downside I can see is more size and weight, and you don't get that nifty Bluetooth app control which I would really prefer. But giving up a lot of performance for a similar price... eeh.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment. There is definitely more testing to do, and this is one in a series of videos so make sure to subscribe! SVS does make great subwoofers and speakers with a lot of benefits. This video is only to show that Klipsch is finally taking subwoofers seriously again and has real contenders in the market.

[@SathishKumar-tk4qx]

Hi 👋 Guys, I wanted to buy a one good Subwoofer for my Onkyo Rz 50 , 14 “ Klipsch 1400 SW. which is better in low volume.

[@jsizzle2k6]

well i cant comment on the pb16 however i recently just sold BOTH of my pb1k pro and my SB16 ultra. prior to owning all my svs subs i had dual synergy sub12. the svs pb1k pros were cleaner then the synergy but the synergy just shook the house a lot more granted they were down firing. but after running the pb1ks i wanted more so grabbed the sb16u that was a big mistake. it was clean but damn did it lack the output being sealed that i was looking for. so sold the pb1ks sold the sb16u and now im running the rp1600sw with a spl150 (temporary picked up dirt cheap but selling and grabbing another rp16) but my single rp1600 is hands down the most boom ive had yet even with dual woofers its just over kill. cranked the gain to 11 on sub and with my avr yamaha aventage rxa 2080 on volume 7.... yes 7 !!! and it being set to standard as in 1 is the lowest 85 being max... 7 is about as loud as me clicking on my keyboard at the moment. in my roughtly 600 sqft open floor plan living room kitchen area dishes in my cabinet 30 feet away were shaking. pictures on the walls are all crooked. the output is drastically more than any of my svs subs cranked all the way up especially at this volume.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for you comment!

[@BigStreetCinema]

Please use a microphone 🙏🏼

[@deanpalmer7597]

I was going to post similar.... Guys, if you are going to have a KZbin channel, get some lavalier mics !!!!!!!!

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! New microphones are on their way!

[@HWdave07]

There’s a reason why I went with my HSU VTF-15h mk2. This sub I got for $800 and is hands down one of the loudest subs I’ve ever owned. Just because something costs more doesn’t mean it’s better. There are quite a few subs on the market that beat SVS for over half the price.

[@PureMediaSystems]

There are a lot of great options in the market. SVS makes great subwoofers, and their new 17-Ultra looks promising.

[@Pentenfi]

I'd be curious about some actual ground field CEA 2010 measurements. Some sweeps in a room don't mean all too much

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@madmaskcena]

How can you get worsted stats than the sb 16 and still upload the video ?

[@lawrencewest8925]

The previous problem with Klipsch Sub AMP longevity has yet to be determined. If these new Klipsch sub-amps don't get a reputation for failing early then I might replace the SVS-4000SB with the 16" sealed Klipsch Sub for my LaScala's. Time will tell and it's way too early to talk about longevity. fyi- Both Klipsch and SVS have a 5 year warranty period.

[@KimmoJaskari]

I believe none of these four are sealed. They're bass reflex designs with ports, just a little more unusual port in the shape of a long letterbox under the speaker cone up front. That may or may not indicate they're less great at controlled music bass, usually that's been the domain of sealed designs that give up bass extension for "tautness". But a good ported sub doesn't have to be inferior, of course, and you definitely get more volume and extension.

[@PureMediaSystems]

@lawrencewest8925 Thank you for your feedback. The new Klipsch amps are all new and designed in house by Klipsch engineers. Only time will tell, but it's certainly promising!

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@KimmoJaskari Thank you for your feedback.

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@whoof807 These amps are all new and designed in house by Klipsch. We never want to see problems with amplifiers from any brand. Only time will tell how they hold up.

[@vasilpandev8651]

Two important things are not included in this test: harmonic distortions and transient response. We can't judge who's the winner without information about the above-named characteristics. Having more output in the subsonic region below 20Hz really doesn't matter in music. Sounds below 25 Hz in music are very rare, as are penguins in the Sahara desert, but the difference in distortions and transient response is something that you can hear every day in every song.

[@fastdreams]

Love that Klipsch has stepped up their sub game! Appreciate the real world test - though I am curious about the CES numbers. I expect Klipsch to win handily. I am curious from an overall dB perspective - if the SVS would perform better than it did if the signal sent to it was increased. Similar to how you level match speakers when performing blind tests. Regardless it's very cool that you don't have to do anything to the Klipsch to change the output mode like you do with the SVS, and it's great they're coming in so much cheaper! I'm an SVS fan but also love all the things.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment. The PB16-ULTRA will have higher CEA2010 numbers, but this was not a max output test. This was simply an out of the box comparison.

[@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579]

Very interesting and makes considering a Klipsch reference sub a good choice given the price difference.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Both subwoofers are great options. The new Klipsch is a great value.

[@robertbush8589]

that's a ideal test room results real in home use will be different for each ,but close like he said proper setup is key to many are maxing out the sub when it's not needed

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@reese373]

WOW! First, thank you for testing these and hauling the heavy svs monster for this. I've been refreshing YT daily for this comparison and you are the first vid doing it. I've been in the market for PB 16 for a couple months now and have been ready to Buy. The cash has been burning a hole in my pocket lol. Then Klipsch made the announcement and showed these but on paper it was like eh that's cool but not as powerful. I needed to hear some real world comparison. Now my its like ok do I want the PB 16 for the App feature or do I go with the RP 1600 at cheaper price, better performance but with the "old School" knobs lol. Now I'm curious to Klipsch's top secrete "Beast" sub they are still working on.

[@reese373]

I'm Curious, on Klipsch's site, I wonder if the orange line, Competitor 1, is Svs. The lines seems as close to yours in the vid.

[@VanDammage87]

Or go dual RP-1600SW's for a similar price to one SVS PB16.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! Contact us or your local Klipsch dealer with questions!

[@Mudcat3434]

Well I am sure loving my RP-1200sw. So much so that I am getting another one lol. This new RP line of subs from Klipsch are honestly great value. There are better subs of course, but you will pay $1000+ more to get there.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! We are glad that you are enjoying yours. Give us a call when you are ready to purchase!

[@Mudcat3434]

@@PureMediaSystems Well this did not age well. Just wanted to inform you that, I shit you not, my amplifier died on this RP-1200SW yesterday. So...yeah. Hopefully it is just bad luck, but am RMAing it and deciding to pony up and get a Rythmik FV18. I just can't trust Klipsch. They got me hook line and sinker and then the same ole shit happens as their old ones. Anyway, like I said hopefully just me and everyone else is happy, but this is all too familiar.

[@yournightmare9999]

You don't know how to use subwoofer that's why your amp out

[@garretts431]

@@yournightmare9999where in his comments did he mention how he used his subwoofer that the amp blew?

[@garretts431]

@@Mudcat3434lmao the amp blew? That puts a damper on me wanting the 1600sw

[@jhonrramos8168]

SO WHICH IS THE BEST ?

[@PureMediaSystems]

At the end of the day, they are both great options. The SVS has the additional DSP and app control along with higher max output. The Klipsch represents a great value, providing a good portion of the performance at a lower price.

[@Quietprofessional1]

Have you listened to the RSL Speedwoofer 12S? 16hz to 250hz anechoic.

[@PureMediaSystems]

We have not had our hands on that model yet. We will keep it in mind to try out!

[@craigenputtock]

Klipsch is hitting it out of the park with the subwoofers.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment. Klipsch has finally stepped up their subwoofer game !

[@rowanrobinson]

Really keen to see the SP-1400 results

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! We will keep this in mind for future videos.

[@hundrakg]

did someone noticed, the cone of the SVS did not move at all during the sweep, why? it sure moves on the Klipsch

[@1FastGXP]

Because it wasn't being pushed hard. 👍 It is 10dB down at 20hz than were it should be if it were outputting near max. Good observation.

[@PureMediaSystems]

@hundrakg light reflects differently off of different materials. The cone on the SVS was definitely moving.

[@PureMediaSystems]

@1FastGXP This was not a max output test. Simply how each subwoofer amplified the same signal with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@Belfor09]

Will you make head to head in regards to maximum output? Unless it is maximum, then my bad.

[@PureMediaSystems]

This is not max output. We do intend to do max output testing in the future. That said, it is still very loud in average sized rooms.

[@Belfor09]

@@PureMediaSystems Sure, I'm a basshead, like... insane one, so that would help for sure. Thanks!

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@Belfor09 We cant promise that it will be soon, but we do intend to do this at some point. If you are in the DFW area and would like a demo please give us a call!

[@Belfor09]

@@PureMediaSystems Sorry, I'm on the other side of the globe, can't really go to you guys to check for myself with UMIK and everything :P

[@cryptonator1988]

Sound demo please i wanna hear movies and blues music and jazz through these klipsch subs..

[@PureMediaSystems]

We can certainly do a demo, but to really appreciate the sound, schedule a demo with your local dealer!

[@Fr0stkeule]

And how the response Klipsch is more woberling bass.I swapped my R115sw for a PB 4000 and that's a huge difference in terms of control, it looks Klipsch old.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment

[@brucebell09]

Please do a comparison between the rp 1000sw and the svs sb 3000

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for the suggestion. We will take that into consideration for future videos.

[@umeshwarnathsurendranathan775]

The PB-16 doing a lot worse than the SB-16? You really don't think there's something wrong?

[@madmaskcena]

Bro Thanks, this test are bulsshit as fuck

[@johnbarsby8382]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Definitive Technology DN15 added to this shootout.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment. We will keep this in mind for future videos!

[@jonespcnrepair]

Picked up 2 RP 1400SW's to replace my Monolith m-12's they are so good! M-12's got moved to the rear of the room.

[@PureMediaSystems]

thank you for your feedback!

[@thiagodelgado3128]

Ok wait you guys tested in the max volume?

[@PureMediaSystems]

This was not a max output test. The gain on each subwoofer was set to max. This way it would output the signal that was being sent to it. The output from the processor and from the software remained constant.

[@hometheaterjoe9489]

Great work fellas, I appreciate all your hard work and objective findings. Be good be safe…BOOM

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback and support!

[@justonbrazda3846]

I have dual pb16 ultras. Is it worth selling them for 2 of the klipsch? I could probably work it out to not be out of pocket much. Will you be selling your svs?

[@PureMediaSystems]

No, the PB16-Ultra is a great subwoofer. There are pros and cons to both, but unless you just want to change things up, if you are happy with the SVS then keep them.

[@danielwatts9803]

I just ordered two.. I'll get back to you sooon

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback.

[@kdw75]

I have all Klipsch RP speakers in my ATMOS home theater and my Sub was an RP 1200 along with an SPL 150. Yesterday I received my SVS 16 Ultra and replaced my SPL 150 with it. The difference is night and day. I am so happy with the SVS. I had looked at the RP1600, but the reviews were littered with comments about people expecting more and saying that the smaller Subs outperformed it, so I took a chance on SVS and couldn't be happier. Very informative and interesting video.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment. The PB16-ULTRA is a great subwoofer.

[@patrickkellaher9673]

Thank you! I've been looking for a new sub since my old one died. I was going to go with SVS.... until I watch these 2 videos. Sub-20hz is an important factor for me and wow, I'm impressed. Just as I have written off Klipsch (note: I've had the same SF-2 towers for 20+ years), here they are outperforming SVS, the king of home subs. I will say that I would like to see the measurements of the SVS with the Klipsch in the same location the SVS was in during the Klipsch test. Having that massive box in that spot could have effected the room response. Either way, the earlier video with 12" Klipsch showed how much better they performed in your room.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment. SVS subwoofers are great. The PB16-Ultra should have higher max output than the RP-1600SW, and we are hoping to test this outdoors when the weather improves. This video just simply shows how they perform out of the box in one location. Klipsch has finally brought some real competition to the subwoofer space.

[@garysmith8455]

Enjoyed seeing this! However, there was a comment or two about the apps offered by SVS. I can add that the larger Martin Logan Dynamo series have a BIG advantage with their app using Anthem Room Correction. I would LOVE to see how my Dynamo 1600X would stack up here. .....and, I am a Klipsch owner! Klipschorns in the stable for 14 years, RP-280-F towers and 600M stand mounts currently.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! The app is definitely nice to have on the SVS. It does give you some really nice basic adjustments. However, you could always use a miniDSP to get even more control.

[@aspjake123]

I relish the day I can own KH!!! You lucky bastage!!!!!

[@BiffTannenBTTF]

Id love to see this Klipsch vs some of the PSA offerings.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for the suggestion, we will keep this in mind for future videos

[@mindygrossman3313]

Great video

[@PureMediaSystems]

hank you for your feedback!

[@Oneshawdog89]

Huge Klipsch fan here!

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment

[@dadevastator24_77]

I would have liked to see demos of each for comparison as well

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. There are more videos coming, and we will try to fit in demos with all of the subwoofers, so please make sure to subscribe! We have a demo of the RP-1200SW here kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ7MnJappNiSeqM

[@jamiegrant6970]

I would say look at the CEA 2010 results for both, as they look different.

[@PureMediaSystems]

These are not CEA 2010 tests. Simply out of the box comparison with the same input.

[@WineHouse33]

Home theater needs to reach 5-10hz with control today. Tactile lows wasn't as recognized, or desired back when the PB-16 was designed.

[@WineHouse33]

Even though it seems to beat it at every range, as well. Technology is moving faster than ever. Just look at the performance cars for example. Super cars from 5 years ago are now considered slow....

[@1FastGXP]

I know this video doesn't show it due to wonky testing practices the PB16-Ultra does have an F3 of 13hz in extended mode. In comparison the F3 on the RP-1600SW is 14.5hz. Therefore, even as old as it is the PB16-Ultra is still very formidable. It's a shame videos like this fool the weak minded. I guess all the awards that the PB16-Ultra has won will have to speak for themselves.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment.

[@hundrakg]

we are all looking forward to the max spl test/graph , keep up good work

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@rebeccagrossman805]

Such a cool video!

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@heath6619]

This was so surprising to see. Could you do a comparison between the Klipsch RP-1400SW & SVS PB16-Ultra?

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. We will keep this in mind for future videos.

[@Audioenthusatic]

Compared svs pb 16 ultra and klipsch rp 1600 sw.😂😂😂....not getting an idea about ,Hw do they choose it for comparison!!800 watts amp & 1500 watts amp!! !!

[@yournightmare9999]

Svs fanboy

[@Audioenthusatic]

@Your Nightmare klipsch fan

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. Even though the power ratings are not comparable, given that both drivers are 16" and the flagship subwoofers from two popular brands, this is a highly requested comparison. And, why not have a little fun?😁

[@mindygrossman3313]

Great video!

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@cliffordpurk18]

Very good comparison. New sub here! I'm curious as to how the SVS SB-4000 compares. On paper it goes down to 16Hz but I've seen folks go down to 8Hz with em.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. We will keep that in mind for future videos.

[@mindygrossman3313]

Loved this video!

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback!

[@MrMichaelEsser]

In Germany it's 1599€ Klipsch vs 3599€ SVS. So absolutely no comparison anymore

[@PureMediaSystems]

That is a big difference in price. While the PB16-Ultra should have higher max output, the RP-1600SW is no slouch.

[@8000860]

Interesting! But I've already seen a discussion about power and SPL difference in those subs. Also, I'd be very interested in tests of SVS and Klipsch with Arendal subs (Arendal 1723 1/2s and 1/2v).

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback.

[@gokassen]

I listened to svs sb3000 and was not impressed at all. It seems a bit like an advertising product to me. The data here also shows this. I was interested in svs sb 4000, but I think I will order one rp 1600 this weekend.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. The SB16-Ultra and the PB16-Ultra are awesome subwoofers. The PB16-Ultra should have higher max output than the PR-1600SW. In our testing here, we did not test max output, just straight out of the box sweeps. The RP-1600SW is more sensitive than the PB16-Ultra, which is why you see higher output at the same settings here. It does seem like the Klipsch has less port noise than the SVS, but that may vary depending on the setting you use on the SVS and other factors. While the SVS app is really nice, we have found that a lot of people don't take advantage of it. Depending on the room size, you may not need the extra power/output from the SVS, and with how much more the SVS is, this is definitely something to consider. Also, you can get something like a MiniDSP, or a new AVR like the Integra DRX-8.4 that allows you to take advantage of Dirac active bass management which gives you a lot more control. At the end of the day, it depends on your space, the experience you want, and ultimately your budget.

[@corndogggy]

Biggest thing that seems odd to me is that you seem to admit that you just cranked the gain all the way up and let them rip. First of all, the gain stage on SVS vs Klipsch is wildly different, at one point there were subs from each company where the Klipsch was literally like 2.5 times hotter. When you do this test this hot, you also don't know if / when the limiters are kicking on. At some point you may or may not be measuring the differences in the limiters, plus you're skipping the extended mode and only testing standard, which is going to change the frequency response in the DSP. Also those 10-12 db differences on the right side of the graph are a little odd, there shouldn't be that much of a difference in nulls due to room modes. Something else is going on.

[@JavonDGreen]

Your first statement I agree with. They need to do compression testing between the two subs. However making it seem like some conspiracy like an SVS sub can’t be beaten is kind of ridiculous. I don’t believe something is going on here. I think they have a lot more testing to do. They did the inexperienced first time buyer plug a sub in and crank the gain test. Now they need to do some testing for us hobbyists/ enthusiasts to see how they compare in all scenarios. Also tuning can make a difference in frequency response in higher frequencies. They are still following the same curve essentially.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@corndogggy]

@@JavonDGreen "making it seem like some conspiracy like an SVS sub can’t be beaten is kind of ridiculous"... yes they can be beaten, but this model of Klipsch is not beating the PB16. Even the Klipsch engineer who designed these has publicly stated that that's not going to happen. It's Jay Lawler. Thinking that you or I or these guys in the video know better than him is what's ridiculous. Biggest issue is putting it in standard mode and not extended, then pointing out that it doesn't extend as low as you expected. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

[@yournightmare9999]

I like when svs fanboys crying here

[@stevelovesgod]

@@corndogggy $1.00 for $1.00 The klipsch wins all day

[@aspjake123]

PLEASE stop spamming the contact info. It is distracting. Otherwise great review! I am on the fence between the Klipsch or the SVS SB-16 Is the RP-1600 really better? It seems so but all the fanfare makes me want to go SVS.....

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. The SB16-Ultra and the PB16-Ultra are awesome subwoofers. The PB16-Ultra should have higher max output than the PR-1600SW. In our testing here, we did not test max output, just straight out of the box sweeps. The RP-1600SW is more sensitive than the PB16-Ultra, which is why you see higher output at the same settings here. It does seem like the Klipsch has less port noise than the SVS, but that may vary depending on the setting you use on the SVS and other factors. While the SVS app is really nice, we have found that a lot of people don't take advantage of it. Depending on the room size, you may not need the extra power/output from the SVS, and with how much more the SVS is, this is definitely something to consider. Also, you can get something like a MiniDSP, or a new AVR like the Integra DRX-8.4 that allows you to take advantage of Dirac active bass management which gives you a lot more control. At the end of the day, it depends on your space, the experience you want, and ultimately your budget.

[@aspjake123]

Very sorry about my spam comment. I was just trying to focus on your comments as I am/was on the fence about which Sub to get and the constant pop up was distracting. I get it that you have a business to run! My bad. OTOH I decided to go with the RP-1600. Reasons are that what you mentioned, the App while cool and techy once set is not really needed IMO. The SVS is overkill for my needs as this will be my 4th sub in my Cinema 40 system. I also have purchased the Dirac live software. Also of course was the $1,100 savings. (EDIT) make that a 1,400 dollar difference with the Klipsch on sale) For me the PB16 is killer for sure but I am pretty sure I cannot hear the difference unless I was critically listening (which I am not) I have Speakerlab S30's as front L/R and the rest of my gear is all Klipsch. Thank you for your detailed and professional reply, ** Definitely subbed and binge watching past episodes.

[@enkerl9172]

Have the Klipsch r 115SW ist`s a Monster of Bass😳😳

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for the comment! Enjoy!

[@joemeyers1016]

How can you guys draw this conclusion with base response sweeps? Just because the Klipsch might have more extension on a base response sweep doesn't mean it's overall the better choice. The Klipsch might hit compression taking another measurement just couple DB higher. So unless you actually compression tested both subs and compared the results, this video doesn't prove anything.

[@yournightmare9999]

Just stay with overpriced svs trash

[@joemeyers1016]

@@yournightmare9999 I don't own any SVS other than a SB12-NSD that I bought for 399.00 on closeout for my computer setup. I have a pair of PSA TV1813's in my main room.

[@PureMediaSystems]

@joemeyers1016 Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@joemeyers1016]

@@PureMediaSystems Thanks for responding. Look forward to the results.

[@GizmoDuck34]

I actually am not liking my SVS’s. I prefer the boomy bass of a klipsch. Would these 16s give me that bass that I like?!😊

[@PureMediaSystems]

SVS makes great subwoofers! It is hard to say if the Klipsch is going to be more "boomy" than what you are used to. A lot of it is going to be subjective, and your personal preference for the sound.

[@blakewillson18]

Need some mics, very hard to hear you guys.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! New microphones are on their way!

[@steverosales2616]

🤕 that cut deep, but idk if louder means better?

[@PureMediaSystems]

This is very subjective and a matter of personal preference.

[@steverosales2616]

@@PureMediaSystems I'm gonna have to give them a 👂, i won't let my SB 3000's know 😂

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@steverosales2616 Have fun! If you are in the DFW area give us a call and we can demo for you. the SB3000 is a great subwoofer too!

[@PremiumOrange.]

Just found this channel, do more comparisons between svs and klipsch subs and you will blow up for sure, i subribed only because i want to se more comparisons between theese, and alot of people are eager to see more tests like pb4000 and rp4000 etc and also max output etc

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. We will keep this in mind for future videos.

[@justkiddin1980]

Would love to run those subs but they’re too deep for my taste…would rather they would be higher

[@PureMediaSystems]

This is a design decision that does make it difficult to install in some situations. SVS makes some great compact options. We also use Episode subwoofers in a lot of situations where we need performance in a small footprint.

[@smuggledrice6101]

This is supposed to be an audio review video, yet they can’t get the video audio sorted. Use a mic or something. All I heard in the introduction was Charlie Brown-“wah wah wah, wah wah, wah wah wah wah….”

[@commanderrussels2612]

okay so the sealed klipsch extends deeper below 20Hz (debatable how much that matters), but this didn't test max output. I agree the PB16 is a bad deal though, and they chuff like crazy.

[@SpencersStuffTV]

Klipsch's sub isn't sealed. the vent is at the bottom (forward facing) of the sub. t's their own proprietary port

[@commanderrussels2612]

@@SpencersStuffTV ah okay. I wonder how the output is, i wish they'd have done some compression sweeps.

[@JAYWHITEHITHARD]

​@@commanderrussels2612 look at 3:34 😂 Klipsch output is higher than svs💪🏻

[@commanderrussels2612]

@@JAYWHITEHITHARD Is that the peak SPL before compression or just a sweep showing extension? I would think in that tiny room both could play louder than that. The SVS should still be louder, the Klipsch is just tuned lower. Also pretty sure there is a SVS port plugged mode that extends the extension a bit more.

[@Donly1pt]

@@commanderrussels2612 Exactly. What we need to compare is max output before compression. The laptop may be set to have the same output but each sub has it's own volume knob.

[@bendeco]

Ive the 10 and it shakes my walls.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback

[@Jasonlindler]

To be such big audio guys you’d think they would at least mic themselves up to make a decent video

[@Youthman]

Let's extend them some grace. In my early videos, I didn't have a dedicated microphone either. It's much more costly when you try and mic two individuals but certainly would make a MUCH better video.

[@tibbified]

I can hear them just fine.

[@JohnARobinsonJr]

​@Youthman I remember you conducting a similar test with the PB16 and S3611. Your results were a lot stronger (more dB) between the 20Hz and 30Hz range. However, the S3611 rolled off around 10Hz. The video exposed the PB16 was port tuned in a sweet spot, then rolled off around 20Hz. I refer to that video because you weren't trying to sell anything, and you were unbiased. Not sure if I can say the same here. I mean, in the long run, someone may conduct the same test and expose something. As seen with a guy attempting to compare a Klipsch subwoofer against a PSA. That didn't go over well, and purely disingenuous.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. New microphones are on their way!

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@Youthman Thank you for your feedback and support!

[@jamesgrande8368]

Svs pb. Hand down. Buid, power, output, warranty, service, quality. Spec and reseach is out there. Audio holics. And many reputable reviewers has the PB 16 ultra on top. Truth be told!!😊

[@PureMediaSystems]

The PB16-Ultra is a great subwoofer, and SVS is a great company. The new line of Klipsch subwoofer is another good option in the market now

[@pkhammu2005]

Svs need to seriously work on their port chuffing issues,for a top of the line pb16 its unnacceptable,esp when competition has moved fwd so much...

[@PureMediaSystems]

The PB16-ULTRA is a great subwoofer. Other companies are finally catching up.

[@mikebrennan8254]

SVS has pushed innovative technologies in their other products while forgetting their flagship subs. You’ve got to ask whether the app is worth $1100 or $2200 for a dual setup. Well done Klipsch! This should cause an immediate sense of urgency within the halls of SVS. Haw can they sell anything in the 3000, 4000 or 16 product lines at this point without very careful consideration by the consumer?

[@KimmoJaskari]

Realistically, you can do anything the app can do and more (except raise or lower the volume, basically) with an external MiniDSP for two hundred bucks, in my opinion; place that between the receiver and the sub(s). Heck, come to think of it, probably volume too if you get a remote for the MiniDSP. For two subs, for that matter, if one wants to go all out.

[@PureMediaSystems]

@mikebrennan8254 Thank you for your feedback!

[@johncallison4745]

I wish you guys had fully tested the ultras, you get much different results if you plug one or more of the ports and I have heard both. I do not like klipsch because the tend to sound more muddy than ultras which even on the low end have a snap to them. I feel the SVS with all the features vs klipsch. You talked about port noise in SVS? What! You got a totally fault svs speaker. SVS moves more air on any day and does so cleaner than the Klipsch and then there is the features that Klpsch lacks. I am going to have to disagree with you two on this from listening to both and also many many other reviews that disagree with you. The fact that you are stressing about not being bias so much is questionable.

[@maximilianadair3237]

Go read the audiohokics review and numbers. Klipsch is better above 15hz. Lower distortion and higher db.

[@MetalsForBrunch]

Now all the SVS owners who said klipsch subs are still garbage will think again. LOL

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment

[@monacocross4241]

SVS PB16- win ?

[@Lowkey_nxthxn]

Wow so the Klipsch subwoofer is powerful wow

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! Yes, the new Klipsch amps are all new and designed in house!

[@santiagoezquerrocordon1470]

What the point of this test? You have both subs in the same room and you don´t do a proper test ( both subs sets at same db level and maximum output). It looks like the goal of this test is to show Klipsch is better than PB16. They only prove that Klipsch speaker is more sensitive.

[@yournightmare9999]

So stay with overpriced svs trash

[@kingelijah79]

I love Klipsch subs but NOT great looking especially the copper looks boring We need option to match our heritage lines come on Klipsch you can do better than this SVS looks gorgeous especially 4000 and 1600 series with dedicated apps

[@1FastGXP]

SVS do look better, and don't let the skewed PB16-Ultra results scare you. The PB16-Ultra outperforms the RP-1600SW. For some reason they did a comparison test, but didn't max out the sub. How is that even fair, or unbiased?

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback! Beauty is definitely subjective, and both brands have their merits!

[@PureMediaSystems]

@@1FastGXP Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@1FastGXP]

Food for thought. Klipsch advertises the max acoustic output for the 1600SW at 125.5dB. Now they aren't very forthcoming about where within the subs frequency response that measurement was taken, but it'd be a safe bet to put it kind of high up in the limited 14.5-175hz range. Now Audio Advice, bless there little tester hearts, has measured the max acoustic output of the PB16-Ultra at 30hz to be 137dB. Wow! A full 11.5dB louder than the 1600SW, and these aren't my numbers. So, again why are your figures off by so much? Why are you speaking so negatively about a product that you, by your own admittance, didn't even fully test? 🤨

[@yournightmare9999]

Stay with svs and don't cry here

[@1FastGXP]

@@yournightmare9999 😭😭😭

[@1FastGXP]

I must say you're very biased in this video, and somehow your testing numbers don't add up to other reviewers, CEA-2010 measuments etc., when it comes to the PB16-Ultra. Consider this... You measured the SB16-Ultra output at 20hz to be approximately 107dB. These are your figures. That number appears legit, and is inline with what other reviewers have shown. However, you show the PB16-Ultra to be outputting only 110dB at 20hz. Only 3dB more? 🤔 Other reviewers and those who know their subwoofers know the measured differential between the SB and PB Ultra at 20hz is approximately 13dB. Your PB16-Ultra results are 10dB down at 20hz from where they should be considering your own measurements with the SB16-Ultra. 10dB! That would put the PB16-Ultra putting out 120dB at 20hz. Care to explain? All things being objective & equal you know. 😯

[@LeeLee-fi7mx]

Are there cea-2010 measurements for the rp-1600 klipsch sub? I have not seen any online. It doesn't surprise me that the klipsch sub beats the svs, especially in the low end. The pb-16 is known to make alot of chuffing port noise at the lower frequencies and it is also known to have very high rolloff in the subsonic frequencies.

[@1FastGXP]

@@LeeLee-fi7mx no CEA-2010 for the RP-1600SW that I have seen. I'm not debating their figures for the Klipsch sub. There are CEA-2010 figures for the PB16-Ultra & SB16-Ultra. That's where things go wonky in their testing. If their measurements are accurate, and everyone else is wrong, than than the mighty ported 16-Ultra is only 3dB louder at 20hz than SVS own SB16-Ultra. Everyone else shows it being about 13dB louder at that frequency. Something doesn't add up. 🤷‍♂️

[@LeeLee-fi7mx]

@1Fast GXP It's all about room gain. There is an article on the svs website about vs sealed vs ported subs, they state because sealed subwoofers typically have a much more gradual rolloff in the lower frequencies, they benefit more from room gain than ported subs do. That's probably why your seeing the 20hz measurements in room between the sb-16 vs pb16 being much closer than what cea-2010 measurements would suggest.

[@1FastGXP]

@@LeeLee-fi7mx that's a good theory, but in real world situations room gain effects sealed & ported subwoofers alike. SVS just uses the DSP in the sealed models to take full advantage of the shallow roll off & available room gain. I don't know if you've ever owned an SVS sub, but that is why their smart app has an adjustment called room gain compensation. It's available on both sealed & ported models. It allows you to dial back the deepest octaves in small to medium size rooms when room gain may be too much causing boomy bass.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your feedback. This is one in a series of videos. This video showed out of the box comparison with the PB16-Ultra in standard mode. This was not a max output test, but simply to show how they performed in a real world scenario with no changes. When the weather improves, we are going to perform max output tests as well as the PB16-Ultra in its other modes.

[@sammy10001]

SVS is outdated big time. And its hugely disrespectful of SVS to keep increasing the price of their subs. SVS came out on Nov 1st, 2016. It was $2500 on launch. Now, its $2900. Canadian prices are even worse. Canadian SVS sub prices are OUT OF CONTROL. PB16 ultra in canada is $4900. If you convert the USD of 2900 by 1.35 (the current exchange rate) that only comes to 3900. But SVS is charing 4900 in Canada. $1000 more. SVS subwoofer should be so heavily discounted, it should almost be free. Look at any other speaker thats been on the market for 7 years+. I'll give 3 examples: Look how heavily discounted the KEF R series is right now, now that the new R META line came out. Look how discounted the RP line of klipsch is now that RP-mark 2 came out. Look how discounted the B&W 700 series S2 is now that S3 came out. The disrespect of SVS to not only 1) NOT discount a product thats been out for 7 years and to 2) keep increasing the price is just pure consumer disrespect. Yeah the pb16 ultra was cool 7 years ago, not now. And if the Klipsch wins after 7 years, GOOD - it should. Its 7 years of R&D time later. SVS should have had a new sub released LONG TIME AGO. Instead, they've been slacking hard while collecting the huge profit margins from their old products.

[@yournightmare9999]

Svs is overpriced trash for low IQ people

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment.

[@justonbrazda3846]

I own two pb16 ultras. Ordered the day they came out. Svs refuses to update them. I may have to switch brands.

[@whatto1000]

Naaa.. klipsch publicity!! 😂😂

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your comment.

[@tech4life884]

The svs driver is far superior to the klipsch driver. The klipsch drivers are cheap.

[@1FastGXP]

Yeah, even the 1600SW is using a stamped steel basket on the driver. You would think they would have used a cast basket, but I guess they had to save money somewhere.

[@PureMediaSystems]

Thank you for your opinion

[@hightech346]

I got an Klipsch SPL-150 in yesterday evening, and after testing it, boxed it back up to ship back this morning....Many love to hate the Cerwin Vega XLS 12 and 15 units but reality they simply outperform most of the subs around or above their price point..You'll have to spend big money to get better bass output.. I had an old Cerwin Vega XLS 12 box with a bad amp and blown driver and replaced the amp with a Dayton audio SPA 250 and an American Bass subwoofer and it destroyed the Klipsch..This same set up with my fan cooled 845 RMS outboard amp driving it is really impressive and will make you forget about most of these subs with their weak underpowered plate amps...It' is what it is....The 15 inch XLS is even better...

[@1FastGXP]

Well Audioholics CEA-2010 test results for the RP-1600SW are in. 😮 They show the PB16-Ultra having around 4dB more output in every frequency tested. So much for this biased video. 🥚 Check it out for yourself. Just caught it for myself this time. You said, "Used to be a dealer for SVS." Past tense. Why no longer? You two come across like disgruntled dealers. Sad 😔

[@cornishkonny]

You reduced from 16db from the klipsche to 18db on svs....even the tone is noted in volume reduction 😅😂 and clearly on the screen

[@PureMediaSystems]

There were no changes made to the signal.

[@patrykgorecki581]

No app klipsch........?🤦‍♂️

[@PureMediaSystems]

Correct, there is no app.

[@dextermorgan1]

SVS has one of the worst price to perform ratios out there. You're paying for all that marketing, free shipping(both ways) and all the other little bells and whistles SVS has. There are much better subs on the market, for less money.

[@1FastGXP]

Don't forget the best customer service you will find in the industry. 👍 Hard to put a price tag on that. 💵

[@PureMediaSystems]

SVS does have good customer service.

[@dextermorgan1]

@@1FastGXP It us a plus. I'm not denying that, but how much are we paying for the excellent service? If the product is solid, customer service should be minimal. Plus, I admit, I just don't like SVS and all the fan boys.