What if Germany Executed Operation Sealion?

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The military calculation of the success of Sealion were based on this study by Adarsh Bura:
etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/32305/
Bura, Adarsh (2022) Operation Sealion: Simulating the naval component of a 1940 German invasion of Britain. MSc by research thesis, University of York.
This video adds to the essay by continuing the logical progression in geopolitical and military terms after the invasion was attempted.
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[@WrinkledPaper674]

Everyone knows that the reason why Germany didn’t invade Britain was because of the Loch Ness monster

[@RHR199X]

Could you imagine if a group of Plesiosaurs were spotted attacking German ships by the Royal Navy

[@daylight0921]

@@RHR199Xno, because it already happened, nessy helped us cross the channel that day..

[@minestar2247]

@@RHR199X oh Yeah, cool historical fantasy book idea

[@michaelthomas5433]

You mean all the mustache man had to do to win WW II was give the Loch Ness Monster tree-fiddy?

[@alexcritical9351]

after Operation Sealion, I took a walk around the Buckingham Palace. suddenly, Winston Churchill appeared behind me and asked me: "could we have a ceasefire?" and then me, leader of the German Reich answered: "yes, what are the conditions?" Churchill replied: "for starters, I need about three fiddy" and then i realized I wasn't talking to the British Prime Minister, but instead I was talking to an 8-story tall sea mosnter from the Protozoic era!

[@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUS]

To unrealistic,from my 4000 hours of hoi4 I know that Britain never defends their homeland 😂 Edit:Thanks for 1k likes!!!

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

why didn't germany just spam subs? smh my head learn the meta

[@comradeeff406]

Tbh they kinda did​@@ASlickNamedPimpback

[@The_whales]

Their army is somehow in Africa and you could just invade northern England and get your steam achievement

[@Triple_Alliance]

@@ASlickNamedPimpbacki just raid convoys in the atlantic and distract the entire english navy

[@DAK_12]

If anybody invades Britain in hoi4 they know they don’t got shit there

[@tyvamakes5226]

On the president and chancellor A. H.: The reasons why he declared war on the US was that Donitz wanted to escalate what was essentially an unofficial naval war and that H sincerely believed that Japan could have the means to at least distract the US. H severely underestimated the US economic recovery after nearly a decade with FDR. As for Sealion, I remember a quote when Britain declared war on Germany, H said "What now?". It was a surprise in that Britain actually decided to intervene on Poland (and not of the earlier violations) and that the British blockade would mean both food and oil will now be limited.

[@tyvamakes5226]

Think yourself this at 1941: You have a Germany that seemingly recovered its awful economy with the Four year plan. Meanwhile, the US, under 3 US terms with FDR is still stuck in the Great Depression. Would it not be careless to assume that America won't be ready to aid, let alone fight, for some years after Pearl Harbor? And do all the lend-lease in short demand for Barbarossa and North Africa campaign? Also, I do believe Britain would ram their entire navy just to stop the transports. There's no shot that the 2nd wave would even survive, let alone resupply the 1st wave.

[@tyvamakes5226]

Also, Military History Visualized has done a proper video on WW2 naval landings. This was to be the first direct landings on enemy territory of the entire war. Unlike Normandy, that learned from Sicily and had naval and aerial hegemony plus paratrooper success, Sealion would have none of the experience nor the material that can keep the transports from being destroyed.

[@orangecitrus8056]

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[@tyvamakes5226]

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[@BurneraccountXD69]

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[@Bryant-seas]

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@@Bryant-seas well actually, "Water Bears", or Tardigrades, are very different animal, but I get what you mean.

[@rewriting-history]

I loved how at the end the Axis could have invaded Spain, in order to get to Gibraltar. If you're not planning on making a video on this, I will do it, I am fascinated by this idea, as it's even more interesting that what if Spain joined the Axis, to which you already have a video.

[@aaronsitoleallopez1645]

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[@minestar2247]

Oh Yeah, instead of Germany winning, we should have alt hist speedruns on how fast you could make Germany lose

[@essexclass8168]

Imagine Eisenhower announcing the Great Crusade on June 6th,1944 as Carlist Crusaders storm the French border

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Spain was a basket case after the Civil War, and was reliant on American food supplies to avert mass starvation. Franco had been made well aware that the day Spain joined the axis was the same day these supplies would cease.

[@brianlong2334]

​@@dovetonsturdee7033 Was it? And in what quantities did the USA deliver to Spain throughout ww2?

[@Inucroft]

My university dissertation was on the anti-invasion defences and Strategies of the British Isles. TLDR- they could land but get cut off and be wiped out before they could reach London. Offical wargames between (West) Germany & UK, the closest they got was the GCHQ defence line The British were willing to lose nearly EVERY SHIP in the Home fleet to block the channel regardless of losses due to passive (mines) or active (naval or ariel) actions. And while not publically known, Churchill authorised the use of Chemical Weapons to be used in the event of an invasion (such as using bi-planes to gas the beaches)

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

The first challenge would have been the German inability to land meaningful forces in the first place. When your enemy has around 70 destroyers and light cruisers based within 5 hours steaming of Dover, as evidenced by the RN Pink List of 16 September, 1940, and can call up around 500 or so smaller warships, such as sloops, corvettes, fleet & auxiliary minesweepers, gunboats, torpedo boats & armed trawlers in support, then trying to land troops from converted river & canal barges, towed by tugs and trawlers at little more than walking pace, and almost unescorted, is really not a good idea.

[@ApostleOfDarkness]

Goering during the Battle of Britain: "Nah, I'd win"

[@epok7272]

Nah I'd loose

[@justagamer5932]

"well if the british use there radar and raf it might cause me a little bit of trouble" "but would you lose" "Nah i'd win" Uk:"Ahh yes my anti luftwaffe technique that i hadn't use since the great war"

[@ApostleOfDarkness]

@@justagamer5932 should be more like: "Well, if the British pilots keep on eating carrots, the RAF might cause me a little bit of trouble"

[@justagamer5932]

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[@narayasuiryoku1397]

​@@ApostleOfDarknessBut would you lose?

[@JLAvey]

I read one scenario where the invasion was a total disaster yet it forced a political solution in London. I think it all comes down to the will power of whoever is head of the British government.

[@ender5466]

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[@oc8636]

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[@42carlos]

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[@Theth3]

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[@NovikNikolovic]

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[@theducknamednewepicla9507]

Ok

[@leonardosaffier1705]

But where would it even be? Also, as far as I know, they don't even want one

[@edelweiss7928]

Israel but worse

[@minestar2247]

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[@minestar2247]

Ok, that's an interesting idea, but you'd need Stalin to really want it(and Yugoslavia to agree)

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[@leonardobovo269]

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[@gamingbuddy9042]

Basically Germany couldn't win

[@nickparka7981]

Two things: Although the British army was still of decent size following Dunkirk, they lacked basically any and all heavy equipment. Following the defeat of France, Britain had less than 600,000 rifles, 12,000 Bren Guns and 500 artillery pieces total on the Home Islands (which is including literal museum pieces). Obviously that would be replenished over time (especially with US sales/aid), depending on how much time it takes Germany to prepare but its a really dreadful state. So even though Germany would have massive issues supplying its forces, I think there is a decent chance that a landed force, especially with armor, would be able to at the very least prevent itself from being pushed back into the sea. There is also the Luftwaffe transport fleet which could transfer troops and supplies by air. Like in the video, any invasion of the UK was a looooong shot, but if we add in some counter factuals, I think its slightly more plausible, especially for possibly forcing an armistice even if they cant actually advance through the whole of Britain. The second note was the loss of the destroyer fleet. 40 destroyers is no small amount and while the German surface fleet will never be able to beat the royal navy, that loss of escorts could seriously impact the security of convoys later on. There is huge debate on how close the UK actually came to being starved out at any point, but straining it even further cant help the situation. The UK had 184 destroyers at the start of the War and Wikipedia has them losing 3 in 1939 and 37 in 1940. Doubling that loss figure is really significant. This also impacts the UK's ability to engage the IJN in the Far East. I don't think the outcome of the war would have changed but I think the course may have. I mean Malta was days away from surrendering in OTL until a convoy came at the last minute. Convoys and landing craft availability was also a huge problem because they had to constantly be shuffled around the globe to various naval invasions. I love your videos because they let me think of stuff like this :), please keep it up! Also I'm writing this at work so if I missed something in the video or have my facts wrong let me know!

[@nugat1597]

The British army had about half as many anti-tank guns as there were tanks in 8 Panzer-divisions

[@sjonnieplayfull5859]

​@@nugat1597the Germans never had enough barges to tow all their tanks to the other side of the Channel. With good weather they could move 2 miles an hour... some would need to travel a full day. Once ashore they might be able to steal some food or live off rations for a while but their tanks and trucks would need fuel, and lots of it. Gas stations would lnow they were coming and would not be available In 1944, with the Allies ruling the sky amd the water, a storm caused them to stop unloading supplies for 3 days. They had to halt all offensive operations, ration artillery fires and generally just hibernate... with ports they brought themselves and oceanworty ships. The Germans could never supply a larger force

[@Bumpy_18]

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[@wile123456]

Worst editing trend of these days

[@Nn91.]

This editing style is actually really cool, whoever did it, god bless you

[@pilum3705]

One small pet peeve. You mentioning the Dunkirk evacuees for the defense of Britain misses the fact that a Germany that is far more certain of invading Britain is far less likely to let as many escape.

[@stanchpandora3658]

Bruh they never "let" the British escape

[@pilum3705]

@@stanchpandora3658 Of course they did not let them simply walk out. But a Germany that has no illusions of possibly making peace with Britain and rather actively desires to invade would be more likely to invest more resources in the operation.

[@edelweiss7928]

@@stanchpandora3658They did though lmao, even after all we did against them, the Germans still wanted peace with us

[@net2150]

I also thought about that during the vid. These evacuees, after getting back on island, served important role in royal navy and fleet as I know, and training new pilots and sailors would take time, which Germans could use for their plans

[@essexclass8168]

@@edelweiss7928 they didn’t, Goering was just being Goring and their ground forces were tired from all the meth they took racing to the sea. The mostly French defense of the roads to Dunkirk also had something to do with it.

[@michaelleez18]

what if the soviet union was more prepared for operation barbarossa?

[@Burh643]

A.K.A Stalin dosen't put his head into the sand

[@alt_account4866]

​@@Burh643 or A.K.A. he didn't kill all of his generals

[@minestar2247]

Well, they were technically prepared (they were once invaded by all sides during the Russian civil war), but I agree with Stalin, you'd need to be really dumb to try and invade the Soviet union while being at war with britain

[@saidblanco7696]

If he would have believed Sorge? Then the war would have ended in 1944. The Soviets had the biggest fleet of tanks, combat aircraft and artillery pieces in 1941, most of those things were destroyed/captured/damaged in the first 2 months of Barbarossa due to the Soviets being unprepared and unorganized.

[@minestar2247]

@@saidblanco7696 oh, so all of Germany would have been part of the Soviet sphere. And seeing how east Germany fairs now, the Soviet collapse might be even more catastrophic than it already was

[@planetarystargazer]

What If the US/United States 🇺🇸 never nuked Japan 🇯🇵 in WW2

[@PolonFemboy]

Japan would propably still surrender, maybe a week or two later, with the Soviets advancing through manchuria and many cities including Tokio being leveled by Amercian fire bombing they didnt have much hope left

[@syedmohammadbaqirrizvi5577]

​@@PolonFemboyyou're underestimating Japanese fanaticism the invasion of Japanese islands would be at least take 1947

[@randombritishperson.]

​@@syedmohammadbaqirrizvi5577I don't think the Japanese could hold back the Soviets for that long.

[@SnickersKnight]

Japan lasts a little longer and both sides gain a lot of casualties. Japan ends up split North/South like Korea.

[@syedmohammadbaqirrizvi5577]

@@randombritishperson. I am talking about the home islands ,mate. Soviet navy would not play a major role in any amphibious assault in my opinion and Japanese would have mobilised tens of millions of people

[@potato88872]

Unironocaly, one of the british general said something sealion that, they should have bait them into an invasion and then cut off the supply line. It would have speed up ww2 by one or two year.

[@shockwave2617]

Love the new style!

[@adamtheatomlive]

Love the video. Immediately liked it when I found out it was based off of an actual scholastic paper. We need more professional content on KZbin, god bless your work PH ❤💪

[@yeeyee5057]

"But would you lose Sealion?" "Nah, I'd win."

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Please Make more interactive history: suggestion For the next one. Napoleónic wars

[@minestar2247]

Basically the three scenarios are: -germany loses -germany loses -germany loses Kinda feels like thise two Iran Iraq war videos, can t win in any way

[@Limbeti]

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[@OmgRl0]

Germany forgot to get the navy production bonus from the focus tree

[@plasmakitten4261]

Operation Sea Lion, the plan so batshit insane that even angry Austrian painter thought it was a bad idea

[@l.m.buraggio9743]

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[@sergioconfero6049]

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[@user-ez8zl3uh1u]

strange question to ask on a newer video. does anybody know where that video about a timeline of Hearts of Iron 4 went? i'm pretty sure it disappeared from the channel but maybe i just imagined it.

[@Leonmiguelez]

how do you make your maps

[@aaronsitoleallopez1645]

Yo wsp, I’ve been your fan since you’re 1812 video and I just wanted to tell you that I like your videos but I would probably suggest you do a video on what if Italy conquered Ethiopia in 1896 by then, I will probably get my paycheck to donate some bread. Thx

[@ShadowOfThePit]

Ah yes, can't wait for the planned video "What if Operation Sealion Happened", that sounds very interesting

[@emperor_msk]

It's funny how ppl even suggest Sea Lion when the Wehrmacht troops that DO land would just become target practice for the Home Guard

[@bomoose]

traget practice

[@liua42]

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[@quandangle9397]

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[@Møraq152]

Yea but after the fall of France the British Army didnt have enough supplies in heavy guns

[@emperor_msk]

@@Møraq152 That really doesn't matter. What matters is the fact that Operation Sea Lion was more of a paper threat and actually carrying it out would require years of naval buildup to even come close to challenge the Royal Navy. Any landing craft trying to make beachhead in Britain would just be sunk, and the few lucky ones that do land would just get killed by the Home Guard. So essentially they are trapped in this island without any way of resupplying them. So yeah, Sea Lion doesn't work.

[@Ultimate_Silicium]

The invasion would be a disaster for British military logistics across the globe. It could very well swing around the battle for north Africa in Italy's side and things like Japan snatching colonies in Asia, the Iraq coup and the Vichy french entry into the war would be far more complicated to Britain to attend, as they have the enemy at the doorstep. In conclusion, Germany's failure lead's to Germany's allies more potential Victories. And knowing the diplomatic skill of Mussolini, I wouldn't consider it farfetched that he would try to reach a compromise with Britain and exit the war or even joining against the Germans at the end

[@Randomboi863]

Can you do a what if everything went right for Morocco? I think it's quite interesting since there are many periods of time you can start with that all have great potential!

[@grancapitan0022]

It should be noted that, before bombing civilian areas due to Hitler orders, the RAF was strugling, however, since that order relieves their aerial infraestructure, they were able to recover

[@GoofySillyGuy]

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[@paulohagan3309]

Everyone talks about what might have happened if Germany had delayed Barbarossa. If they had just delayed a year, etc. Germany could not delay Barbarossa; they had to get to the oil fields in Baku asap. Germany was desperately short of oil. In fact they could have kept the war going for at least another year or two if oil had not been their primary weakness. If they had got to the oil fields in Baku some have argued it would have done them no good. The Soviets would have destroyed the oil producing facilities before the Nazis arrived and the Germans did not have the technological capabilities to fix the damage. However, the rationale to go try to get sufficient oil supplies drove them to attack the Soviet Union. towards the end, the fact that they didn't have the oil to keep going drove them to surrender on top of the allies being on top of them in Germany.

[@Rudnaz_127]

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[@benceveber3927]

New editing is gold

[@matheuwu5854]

Kinda miss the old theme music

[@beans00001]

Too many swoosh sound effects

[@BRAINDEADWASTAKEN]

Haven't commented in a while but thank you for the content, keep up the great vids!

[@BRAINDEADWASTAKEN]

And I forgot to mention this new editing style? The movement of the vids and slides, looks awesome! I like the change

[@Bluesonofman]

Sea Lion could have only worked in the one timeline were America was in the Axis And Japan was in the Allies.

[@floor737]

What if War broke out between Norway and Denmark in 1933? (Please Norway)

[@thediethrower1803]

What if various "prophesised heroes" (and a few extras just for fun) showed up during WW2? King Arthur shows up in Britain, Joan of Arc shows up in France (and presumably decides to be mad about the burning thing AFTER the war), Ogier the Dane, Vytautas the Great (Lithuania), Rasputin (who salutes Stalin, one Pedophilic Conartist to another before starting a power struggle) - etc. Wikipedia calls the trope "The King Asleep in the Mountain".

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[@TheNetherlands2004]

Next make one where Italy and Germany are swapped in WW2 please

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[@alexanderkolchak1]

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[@pigpig252]

Where I live in the South of England, evidence of the British preparations is still everywhere. We sometimes boat down the Thames and almost every bend of it has a pillbox, It's very common for farmers to have a bunker or two on their land, and the village next to mine (Coleshill) has a tunnel system under it pre-built for resistance operations. It's very interesting to think of what could have been. Given Churchill's paranoia on the subject, I believe the British resistance would have been a far more coordinated one than the French for example. (That is not to disparage the French resistance, but to point out that they were a large number of disparate groups that often opposed each other)

[@awesomestickguy]

This is incorrect, he has never played hoi4

[@twrampage]

What if Barbarossa didn't go ahead in that second timeline? Stalin would probably jump in later on for a land grab, but he probably wouldn't get anywhere near as much land as he did irl.

[@kaz4184]

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[@jamaicafosvaldo]

Video 11 of asking Possible History for a video about "If Valery Sablin was succesful"

[@aztekus2762]

Me encanta la gente que piensa que por que en hoi4 se puede hacer la operación, ya es suficiente para creer que se podria haber hecho en la vida real, osea es un videojuego que no tiene en cuenta un montón de factores que pasan en la vida real

[@NathanVanBeurden]

i think you should make a video : what if belguim just alowed germans accses into their land, or just straight up joined germany, in world war I

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Belgium never had the chance to do either. The Germans simply marched in as part of the Schlieffen Plan to take Paris defeat France.

[@vincevanhartingsveldt1801]

What if the allies did not lend lease the Soviets.

[@thatguyriverside]

​@@John.McMillanThe trucks also helped, but yeah, at worst it would have delayed a Soviet advance into Germany proper

[@awesomebrawel4050]

The soviets lose simple

[@joaojonito3764]

Basically, the soviets suffer more, the germans advance further into them, focusing more resources on the war with the soviets and keeping Control of their far greater eastern european holdings, while the allies manage to advance much further, leading to a weaket soviet union and sphere

[@ultimatestuff7111]

Soviets lose, they were supplied with 15% of their total military equipment, and half of their resources, meaning the Soviets can’t afford to produce enough, also the Soviets will starve even worse than in our time line

[@moonshinei]

video has been made, basically the Soviets still win but the Allies would be in a better spot

[@strixaluco7423]

Germany invaded the soviets when they did, because there was starvation going on and to feed the people Ukraine needed to be taken. If Barbarossa is delayed for a year we would see mass starvation in europe, with germany trying to extract every single bit of food from occupied nations. With the oil situation also beeing far worse thanks to all the used up fuel during Sealion+mass starvation I dont see germany even beeing able to invade the USSR at this point.

[@brianlong2334]

Germany had something like 5 million tons of grain in a stokepile in 1940, at the end of 1941 2 million by 1942 600k by 1943 it was at an all time high figure not stated but higher then 5 million tons. They also had 20 million tons of oil in a stockpile in 1941, Germany didn't have any major shortages until it started oparation barbarossa, and an army on the move uses considerable more resources to keep it going. Even with its " shortages, " the Germans ate better than all other combatants excluding the USA, obviously until mid / end of 1944. After the fall of France, Germany wasn't short on resources, would it have been without France falling sure in a year or so, but without a war with the USSR Germany would have had more oil and food in a stokepile for example, seeing as 1942 was the worst year it might have been smarter to invade in 1942 and have a bigger stokepile before starting. About 30 million barrels of oil, for example. For some reference, Germany produced about 3 to 4 million tons of bread grain a year and then feed grain for live stock. Also, France produced about 4 to 5 million of both. Germany basically took what it wanted it also traded with Romania and had other nations' stock of grain it could and did take when needed. Germany before ww2 started used about 44 million barrels a year when it was at war it rationed it's oil only for the military and government/ essential services and used considerable less about 29 to 34 million barrels, when it started oparation barbarossa it needed 90 million barrels a year even in 1944 it had about 62 million barrels and lost an extra 25 million synthetic to allied bombing and over 7 million destroyed on route from Romania as only 7 million made it to Germany that year.

[@TristanTzara100]

I have heard it suggested that some almost wished that the Germans would try Sealion as it was such a preposterous idea that it might have shortened the war considerably.

[@Battyj]

Winston churchill himself said: "We are waiting for the long promised invasion. So are the fishes" sea lion would have just ended in the entire German surface fleet being wiped out, another giant defeat for the luftwaffe and any soldier they send would be killed or captured. The royal navy was simply too large for a naval invasion to occur, the RAF had gained air supremacy and the army was strong enough to fight off whatever little force they could land if they got lucky

[@TristanTzara100]

@@Battyj Yes of course. I think it was actually Churchill I was thinking of though I had forgotten. Thanks for that.

[@cookie_jar706]

I really like this new video style. Very well done!

[@joshuaevans6295]

If Germany had attempted Operation Sealion, the main result would be that in the 21st century amateur historians on the internet would claim Germany could have won WWII if they just hadn't tried to invade Britain.

[@John.McMillan]

I think Germany would have made a bit more headway into England in the scenario you described. Britain was severely starved of military equipment, more so than the Germans by a long shot, and had no armour and barely any artillery on the home islands by that point, especially the Germans being reinforced by Armour. Would Germany have taken over the UK? No. Not at all. But I think it could have brought the UK much closer to the negotiating table, especially when the Soviets and Americans aren't in play yet against Germany. Add onto that the fact that the UK was operating a pretty depleted airforce (Germany was actually getting close to winning the air war until they switched to attacking civilian cities instead of airfields and factories) and that even though Germany would not win the naval war, they would seriously damage the UKs ability to defend convoys, which could have some big impacts on starving out the English. (Though it's debatable how big of an impact that actually had) I am not saying Germany would have won WW2, but it could have taken the UK out of the war momentarily with a armistice/cease fire until the UK could consolidate again and prepare for an attack, especially when Germany invades the USSR and later declares war on the United States. Germany could not have won the war, but something like this could have potentially extended it by a good while.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Actually, the reason any invasion attempt would have failed can be summed up in three words. The Royal Navy.

[@majormissile5596]

It's kind of funny how most of these scenarios with the axis winning involve making their enemies more incompetent. It's how they conquered anyone in the first place, though I suppose it would be more accurate to say they were caught unprepared.

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[@Damjandrawmations1723]

Pls do: "What if the USSR was preapared for operation Barbarossa?"🙏

[@AdamMisnik]

For a more interesting analysis of the possibility of Operation Sea Lion, you might want to read, "We March Against England" by Robert Forczyk.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

'Interesting' yes. Credible? Definitely not.

[@andreababcock2622]

Amazing video! Suggestion: a restored Byzantium that conquers parts of the west in modern times. Maybe something like ultra-early industrialiazation happens through helping the Dutch revolt conquer Flanders against Catholic Habsburg enemies, finding the four-crop rotation method early c. 1600 in their diplomacy and aid to the region. In my head, I had a Constantine Palaiologos (son of Michael the dynasty founder) take the throne instead of the Sicilian Vespers due to culturally-dominated Normans keep their kingdom ethnic Greek, surviving Constantinople, which would still fall. The empire would slowly build back up, eventually spanning from Moldavia to the Suez to the straits to Baku, having taken Rome and all of Italy south of it and all non-Russian and Ethiopian Orthodox lands. There would even be colonial holdings, being the major Christian Mediterranean power, and Columbus may be hired, being Genoese, the Italian allies (they go on to unify northern Italy). Genoa would come along too. You can tell I’m a Byzaboo.

[@user-dd6ty2ps8f]

What Happend To The Maps

[@baruccanaindipendente2366]

Scenario idea: what if Curchill was never in charge

[@ASlickNamedPimpback]

7:35 not to mention a LOT of them were both commanded by and actually consisted of Great War veterans - basically the experts in defense

[@herbertnorman617]

EDIT: Whoops, this one is at least discussed for the second scenario. My thought process was about the first one, though, so I still think it might be a relevant idea. One counterfactual that is admittedly extremely speculative but could make at least some difference in the further war: I think it's not unimaginable, that if a failed invasion of Britain had happened, that Stalin might have been more open to taking the risk of Germany invading more seriously, instead of thinking it's impossible because they still focus on the UK. In that scenario, Barbarossa would have potentially been more costly and less succesful for the Germans, influencing the further development of the war in the east. What do others here think? Am I off the track on this one, or is there something to that line of reasoning?

[@andrewgraham6006]

One thing to note is that air power would not play as significant a role as noted in this example . Air to sea bombing on a moving target is notoriously difficult especially for the Germans who’s pilots did not trained extensively for this ( yes I know of fligercorops 9 ) this is compounded by the targets being destroyed and light cruisers , the very worst possible targets due to their speed and manoeuvrability and the fact that the raf would be ordered to send forth quite literally everything they had that could fly to cover them Then you have to take into account the “40 “destroyers as stated in this video , it is worth noting that these ships were crewed and captained by some of the most experienced men in the Royal Navy and their ships in terms of surface to surface engagement were excellent ( see the battle of narvik) in a general sense and specifically the tribals which were essentially designed for this kind of close in knife fights wherein Further to this one could reasonable expect the total mobilisation of the home fleet and even the Mediterranean fleets in order to essentially block the channel by way of superior firepower as to put it nicely Germany had a rather stark deficiency in large calibre naval gun platforms

[@ivanvarela-pan4682]

14:45 Zvalid becomes crazy

[@seegurke-bd3yr]

What If West Francia gained the right to proclaime HRE instead of East Francia. This would Change the entire History of Europe in so many ways.

[@pietpanzerpanzer5335]

The issue is also that the war in the west only happend "accidently" but actually they wanted to occupie the east. So tryharding for an island that cant do anything is just dumb if its not 100% win and easy. If you cant get there easy, they cant get to you easily as well

[@NinjaKitty91_]

1:40 probably one of the most memed movie scenes around. Downfall is a very good movie

[@efegungor4445]

What if the ottomans took Vienna in 1529?

[@cevawos]

‏‪13:52‬‏ surely they aren't stupid enough to drag in another major enamy! Well yes, yes they are, very much so

[@Lazardeve2]

WHERE IS THE GOD DAMN ALL EMPIRES OF THE MODERN AGE VIDEO???? WHERE IS IT??? WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR OH SO LONG!

[@allison122477]

Be patient

[@user-cz1mz3pp9n]

@@allison122477 NO

[@cypanipinto7239]

@@allison122477 NUH UH.

[@randombritishperson.]

​@@allison122477I crave the video of modern empires.

[@ryanrg1545]

Am i the only one that didn't forget about the "My viewers voted on the Treaty of Versailles"?

[@Sircowcosmic]

Love the new video format

[@Luciano_1776]

Low key like the new editing besides the transitions, bring back fade in ong

[@murderbus]

Dude your content is awesome! Please keep up the grind you deserve the success.

[@VictorianEra.]

The every modern empire video is never going to happen.

[@Lawfair]

7:08 Were the British able to evacuate the soldiers at Dunkirk? If not would that make a difference?

[@Theover4000]

I love the new editing style!

[@bigwilf1966]

The couldn't land at the point you showed there's 150 foot chalk cliffs there with Dover slap bang in the middle. They would have landed at Worthing properly if they got there. There were 3 naval bases along the south coast Dover, Portsmouth and Plymouth within the mined corridor. If they were going to land at Worthing the would be at sea for 36 hours given a speed of 5 knots not including loading the troops in France. Sealion would have been a complete disaster anyway you look at it.

[@sb3033]

Was waiting for this😊

[@radec1566]

I have spent a lot of time in my local library's archives researching the LDV - Homeguard. What can be said about them is they lacked basic training and equipment that it was only by 1943 most LDV were armed with a rifle. Local county plans for defence consist of a few sabotage operations and little else. TLDR: Homeguard was never a serious factor to consider.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Probably depends where you are. THe Home Guard in my part of the country, according to similar records, was reasonably well-equipped with old but serviceable rifles very quickly. The main shortage seems to have been artillery & wheeled transport.

[@radec1566]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 Fair enough I was basing it off Worcestershire and Herefordshire.

[@anonymousduck1611]

Small video idea: What if Germany stops demands after Czechoslovakia?

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Then the probability would have been of an uneasy peace in Europe, at least for a time. Britain & France undertook to provide support for Poland only.

[@AquaVmapping]

where do you get your references for the borders?

[@Ghosty.maria7]

Sealion was more stupid than trying to fly by flapping your arms

[@gigachadgoose]

Video idea: what if the Vikings discovered America. In more words, what I mean is that instead of Columbus making the new world known to the public, Leif Erikson does and the Vikings stay in the Americas

[@jordandelosreyes5656]

I’m not sure if someone else recommended this already but I’m curious to know what you’d think would happen if Kazakstan never left the Soviet Union. If they continued on the Soviet ideology, created their own autonomous republics invited Gorbachev, and aligned with China or (ironically) the West. I don’t see how this doesn’t end up with war with either Putin’s or Yeltsin’s Russia but it would be funny to think about how that would change Russian and Kazakh culture.

[@albertytube5547]

Idea: What if the Landing of Normandy failed?

[@brazilorsmth5623]

i liked the try at a new editing style, keep em coming!