Postcolonial Europe: The significance of memory | DW Documentary

[@tihomirr]

The Europe this film is talking about is exclusively Western Europe. Eastern Europe was practically a colony of the USSR until 30 years ago. This is important.

[@manfreds.6384]

Western Europe sadly colonialism is associated with white people as a ethnicity/race rather than the individual countries that profited from exploitation.

[@Mageroeth]

@@manfreds.6384 ussr is mostly white no?

[@view1st]

And now eastern Europe is practically a colony of western Europe, subject to EU, IMF/BIS, United States and NATO control. And much of eastern Europe was a quasi‐colony of its western half anyway from at least the Enlightenment and industrial revolutions onward (from the point of view of the core countries of western Europe - France, Germany, Austria and Britain).

[@st3019]

@@Mageroeth Ottoman Turk we’re not Europeans but they colonized the Balkans for 500 years . Stop this Nonsense “ they were white “ colonialism is colonialism and nothing can make it good , Africans , Asians. American Indians also brutally colonized each other . What does that mean?

[@ladydee4692]

They’ve already uploaded a documentary about it. They are both as important.

[@walli6388]

Richy, artist, lives in his own house, travels around Europe: gets oppressed by structural racism.

[@Camilla_Kudrin]

😂😂😂

[@FFND16N]

Properly utilizing his '..richy artist/living in his own house & traveling..'-privilege => calling attention to the structural racism that prevents/HAS prevented otherwise competent & meritorious citizenry from ALSO pursuing/participating within that European society. ..Those societies built entirely upon the generational, purloined riches & blood/sweat/misery of racially & ethno-culturally 'raped' colonial peoples. Your threatened, fragile 'Identity' primacy is showing...care to ardently deny/disguise it some more?

[@acosiak6191]

@@FFND16N You know OP can't do that.

[@FFND16N]

​@@pebblepod30 "..Do you know HOW 'race-ISt' you sound?.." No...please elucidate for me--since 'Races/Race Mates' categorization is a Western/European construct; for the expedient leverage of class/caste differences unto domination & subjugation. The entire emphasis within my comment was focused upon cultural exploittion--not mere 'skin colours', as you simplistically have tried to recontextualize & refute. The preoccupation with 'skin coiour-at-50yds'-issue is YOUR psychological & existential primacy burden. And you bring it here...trying to project it onto me!? Do you even know the semantic & contextual difference of meanings between the words/usage of 'Race', 'Rac-ISM'...'Rac-IAL' and 'Rac-IST?! You can accuse me of "..making 'Rac-IST' sounding.."-statements all day--but your are profoundly ignorant and obfuscate the core issue at work here. Both from the DW posted video and in the salient points I raised. You're out of your depth, fragile, no-account presumptive beneficiary of happenstance history! Sod off with your plaintive, narcissistic cries of: "..Ohhh, Horror!?!--I'm supposed to fish in my pockets...for 'hand-outs' to people "..some.." of my ancestral countrymen maligned 100+ years ago!?..How RACIST--no better yet : 'Reverse-RACIST!!?!!.."

[@pebblepod30]

@@FFND16N Hello there, I cannot agree. That is a racist belief & immoral to treat people today like that, based on their ethnicity or skin tone; or act like someone owe's you something because of ethnicity shared with long, long dead people. PLEASE Tell me ANYWAY AT ALL that someone with dark skin or African ethnicity in Europe is having Europeans exploit him?? Give me examples of how an African is exploited by European people TODAY? And what is your solution?

[@zinjanthropus322]

That first artist's idea of humanity is makeup, bright eyes and branded clothes. She is more colonized than she could ever imagine.

[@SalznPfeffer658]

She acknowledges that she is influenced by, and has coloniality as part of her identity. It's an apt description of the dichotomy of the human experience and she expresses the difficulty of marrying this diversity consistently through her reflexive art process. I like it. I'd have prefer a more pyschological, anthropological, & alternative outside of western constructs perspectives to discuss coloniality and identity, but it's a good start.

[@zinjanthropus322]

@@SalznPfeffer658 Strikes me as lazy, commericalized and a bit shallow. Like she's unwilling or scared to look deeper.

[@salomastation6004]

Yes exactly

[@swampy1234]

I love the original poster here thought they were onto something without realising the point of the artist's work went right over their head.

[@matthewwoolhouse3829]

@@zinjanthropus322 almost as lazy as this comment

[@cloudyOso]

Born in California, 2nd generation Mexican American here; European Colonialism also established The Spanish hierarchy using the Spanish Caste System to keep Spanish Africans and Indians (mestizos) as slaves while European Spanish(creoles) were able to be granted resources, land, education by Europeans. They don’t teach Spanish colonialism either. I found out through where my abuelos live in Mexico they are descendants of Creoles where they benefited from European Colonialism. I grew up in an abusive racist and homophobic middle class household which explains a lot about my racist and homophobic parents, abuelos and tíos creating abusive households. Just a taste of what I grew up with: I remember as kids in the 90s my abuelos would beat us with wired hangers then boil our hands in hot water until purple when we played with our neighborhood best friend who was black. We were ages 5-9 and our friend Maria was 6 (my age). They had that much hate over 6 year old black Mexican girl.

[@sixninemoneysign7853]

That's what your whining about, there's people who actually had bad childhoods. Lol

[@cloudyOso]

@@sixninemoneysign7853 ok

[@livethelife4833]

Why do you write abuelos and so in spanish? Why do latinos in US speak spanglish instead of normal english?

[@thehappybridge2562]

@Cloudy Boyy It's beautiful and cool to say 'Abuelo'. Never be ashamed to speak your language - It's important to preserve your native language down the generations as much as possible. Thank you for sharing how colonialism impacted your Mexican community. That was how how the colonialists did it - 'divide and rule'. They created hierarchies to stop us from uniting and thereby challenging the colonial structure that was fuelled by force, exploitation and greed. The reality is that migrant people largely accept each other and so we should. We are all God's children.

[@thehappybridge2562]

@@sixninemoneysign7853 Disrespectful. Mexican people are beautiful people and I am not Mexican. You have no concept of their suffering as a result of co-ercion by the colonialists and their efforts to separate the indigenous communities who experienced generational trauma as a consequence.

[@minorcek]

"Four artists respond" *I'm good*

[@MrJonas7]

I'd really enjoy a documentary with actual historians and sociologists discussing the matter and consequences, some real stuff. Art is very important but this topic goes very far beyond the scope of this video.

[@doomguy510]

Marxism is popular among finger painters

[@karentorkar8256]

That's what I was thinking. There are multiple ways of looking at things. And whose interests it serves.

[@MrJonas7]

Just to make it clear, my intention is not to diminish the impact of colonialism or be against what they say in this video here.

[@CillaP11]

Um go find another video then

[@walli6388]

@DW Could you maybe make a video with a bunch of Economist talking about colonialism, the industrial revolution, Innovation and wealth? I only ever see artists and initiatives talking about colonialism. I think this would be pretty interesting.

[@walli6388]

@@Native_Guyy The industrialisation is what made Europe rich. It allowed for the separation of time, labour and production. Therefore freeing more resources for research and evolution which then enabled colonialism.

[@walli6388]

@@Native_Guyy And certainly not Lybia. Ever heard of the Barbary coast?

[@manfreds.6384]

@@walli6388 colonialism came before industrialization, europe was inferior in terms of economy or military power compared to the ottomans, mughals(india) and ming china. It was the riches from the new world that in able them to prosper and go toe to toe with the Indians and the Chinese. It was the wealth from India and China that further enrich europe.

[@newsupdate6773]

Good idea .

[@pjotrnygard1447]

@@Native_Guyy africa become more developed after colonialism they builded roads hospitals schools they still use something the ooga booga africsns couldve never made

[@Bestwick1983]

Funny how its only certain types of colonialism that get featured

[@RoBert-on1kb]

there are no other types of relavance for us.

[@KBTadieh]

We'll do it to you too don't worry. Time will tell

[@louispitagno9422]

Only white-perpetrsted "colonialism" interests them. Classic selective outrage

[@RoBert-on1kb]

@@louispitagno9422 Its of the greatest interesst because it was 1) the talest and longest period of colonialism worldwide and 2) its EUROPEAN history. you interpret poltical agenda into it where there is none.

[@AQuietNight]

I found it amusing the woman painting over the black and white photos that were over 100 years old. The action reflects her neurosis more than any need to correct the past. As soon as she said she was from California I knew where this segment was headed.

[@generalripper7528]

She obviously has some sort of complex, lack of identity due to her ethnicity, even though the US is a multi-ehntic society nowadays.

[@AQuietNight]

@@generalripper7528 The United States was always multi-ethnic, as the U.S. became more multi-racial conflicts started up. California became a fountainhead for this problem. Anyway, she went to Germany instead of back to India which would have made more sense. Eileen Gu is another example of this sort of thinking, a resident of San Francisco who has a good life went to the Olympics to represent China and basked in the praise of the Chinese Communist Party (while getting some fat endorsement checks).

[@generalripper7528]

@@AQuietNight No, the US hasn't always been multi-ethnic. It was a country founded by white European settlers, in the mirror image of the Roman Republic. Native Americans and Afro-Americans were not a full-part of that society, i.e. slavery and the forced confinement of native americans to reservations.

[@AQuietNight]

@@generalripper7528 Afro-Americans were free in the North. The United States had Jews and nationalities from all parts of Europe and the "Native" Americans also were part of society. You did have free born blacks and blacks who had slaves and American Indians that had slaves. You had a real mix. Even in it's colonial state the U.S. had all kinds of people wandering around with all kinds of social status.

[@thewillsfamilyaccount6486]

Wow! A very sensitive topic.. I love the digital Nefatiti!! DW is taking on some serious stuff! Well done.. great video.. as usual.. thank you..

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[@vitamindee2229]

Meh, a never ending debate, no matter what, go back far enough and you'll find you're both the slaver and enslaved. Idea's like this put the blame on the victims instead of the few extremely powerful individuals that made their wealth, which you'll find are just as culturally diverse as all of Europe

[@dadikkedude]

Instead because of this 'golden age' Europe and the US are filthy rich and Africa is dirt poor. It isn't something from the past.

[@bysonchi]

You don't have to "go back far enough" , to see the effects of the greatest transfer of wealth in human history.

[@OOD2021]

Exactly this!

[@zerenx8272]

the idea of white mans burden white supremacy is prevalent in colonial times so its not just a few but i would say human nature is messed up even african are racist to each other

[@kweenme8101]

if what you say is true, KNOW that other truths exist. some people have never enslaved although they have been enslaved. some people have always enslaved others but never been enslaved. All are true.

[@VivianLinMusic]

It’s funny that European colonization when discussed is only about Africa Not South America, Middle East or South Asia or even the settler colonies Weird how they strive to be independent

[@ibizawavey8630]

Funny how that's what you took from this. Very interesting.

[@jacobaltz]

The first lady we heard from was an Indian woman who grew up in America and was living in Germany and told a story about a white English aristocrat who traveled the Middle East. ????????????

[@VivianLinMusic]

@@jacobaltz I don’t watch the videos Just comment inflammatory stuff and leave

[@jacobaltz]

@@VivianLinMusic lol

[@idontcare2851]

@@VivianLinMusic the American dream 💪

[@lmccampbell]

Let's not forget the fact that Europeans were the first people to do anything to stop slavery. African kingdoms sent delegates to great Britain begging them to reinstate the slave trade. Mauritania only outlawed slavery in the 1980s.

[@geoms6263]

Whites acknowledged that slavery was wrong. We are still waiting for the response of the Arabs.

[@mrboobiesrider9212]

Let's not act like europeans banned slavery out of the kindness of their hearts.. if it wasn't for the industrial revolution rendering slavery an unsound form of labor we would still have slavery today

[@walli6388]

@@mrboobiesrider9212 Slavery is always bad for the economy.

[@lmccampbell]

@@mrboobiesrider9212 Christian beliefs were the main reason slavery was ended. If you read the actual decrees and wording of the law, you will see at least what they thought about it. Much of the colonization of Africa was done by corporations that then dragged their governments in order to increase profits.

[@ADUAquascaping]

It's called being a delusional hypocrite. They believe in limited identities and resentment. They are exactly who they claim to despise. Ironic 😑

[@walli6388]

Europe was wealthy before the colonies. Germany's colonies where for example all making a loss except for the last few years in Togo.

[@generalripper7528]

Which is why Bismarck never wanted colonies, he saw them as a waste of money and resources and simply good for increasing a nations prestige, i.e. an unnecessary luxury.

[@PikaPluff]

@@Gliese380 so? it affected people negatively regardless. Africa as a whole continent still suffers from the fake borders drawn by colonisers. And power corrupts.

[@abcddef2112]

Lol.

[@Chipop267]

The little girl’s laughter at the end was the best music of all ❤️

[@Bellywoodstudios_diadance]

I agree, so cute

[@jameswhiteley6843]

Imagine moving to a country so you can be oppressed.

[@abhinavmahan4006]

Ahahahahahaha underrated

[@dadikkedude]

That's the definition of country no? Governments subject.

[@jameswhiteley6843]

Fearsome Mongol so did the Turks. Why are they never told how guilty they are?

[@doomguy510]

@@Native_Guyy "they wiped out native people" Revisionism at it's finest.

[@ADUAquascaping]

They're DELUSIONAL hypocrites. They indulge in limited identities while saying our identity doesn't matter. Hypocrisy at its finest

[@dlewis8405]

My mom’s ancestors were Germans who came to New York in the 1800s and farmed there. My dad left Wales in the late 1940s as a teenager (no jobs) and my parents met in Northern CA in the 1960s. They both had technocratic jobs during their career. I don’t feel much of any connection or responsibility for colonization of Africa or India. Sorry, it just feels very distant and far away from me and my experience in the world.

[@brandondavidson4085]

The point is not to make you feel guilty for something you didn't do. It's to make people realize that they still benefit from the horrible things their ancestors did and if you are one of those benefiting, you have a moral obligation to raise others up. I'm white and I never owned a slave, but I can see how slavery and racism prevented black people in the US from growing their wealth, so I like to give to Black businesses.

[@popularjockboyf615]

Have you eaten a banana recently? Or a piece of chocolate? Coffee? The plantations and trade routes that deliver these products to us were created during colonialism and for the workers there, not much has changed since decolonization. The point of talking about these things is not to blame any one person or group of people, but acknowledge that these attitudes continue to shape our world so we can work for change and reconciliation. We aren’t there yet.

[@brandondavidson4085]

@@popularjockboyf615 God explanation. Look at every country that used to be a European colony. The Europeans left and now every single one has no resources and poor infrastructure, because the colonizers took all the wealth with them.

[@sacuki2151]

@@popularjockboyf615 now what, should we stop eating bananas in Europe? Or should people in Africa stop wearing European clothes and get back to the straw skirts? All these points lead to nowhere. Why not work at a bright future together instead of living stuck in the past events?

[@mutiny_on_the_bounty]

@@brandondavidson4085 They didn't take the wealth with them. The former colonies just don't know how to exploit the resources.

[@whatslifespurpose]

The little girl is the highlight of video. She is an angel!

[@Hijab_Diffusion]

All she did was vandalizing others people works, fr?

[@NickVanaswegen]

It's sad that the only place I can see this is on dw on KZbin

[@ADUAquascaping]

Indulging in their limited identities. How ironic. Resentment isn't justified and you're not innocent nor special. Forgiveness is the answer, otherwise, you will be left to suffer. They're exactly what they claim to despise because they feel as if resentment is justified. They also believe that all shortcomings in their lives are because of someone else. They're delusional

[@doomguy510]

Forgiving who? It was the Bantu that enslaved them and then sold them at the harbor

[@ADUAquascaping]

@28gire Keep the delusion rolling. So I'm projecting after they projected. That's essentially the point. That's why the way is forgiveness. People living today aren't the perpetrators. That's not how Karma works. You're conflating Karma with resentment, which is exactly what I just said. If you can't forgive, then you will be left to suffer. And look, they're suffering their own delusions. It's hypocrisy.

[@ADUAquascaping]

@@doomguy510 Start by forgiving themselves. We all have to forgive ourselves before we can help others, so they are a long way off from being able to help anyone because they cannot even help themselves.

[@ADUAquascaping]

@28gire You actually believe that I should ask for forgiveness for something I didn't perpetuate. How absurd. Why are you all so brainwashed by Marxism. Then you think the west deserves everyone's vengeance. OK, by that logic, then all of their ancestors deserved what happened to them because of their negative karma. So it's a vicious cycle of resentment and hypocrisy. This is why forgiveness breaks the negative karmic cycle. I can't believe people actually think that I owe them something just because I'm a white male. You're delusional.

[@prof.tarekeldomiaty5069]

Wish in one day we have a "Rajkamal" in every country... a symbol of "Beauty of Awareness "... a genuine contribution to humanity...

[@jameswhiteley6843]

These people will harp on about colonialism for as long as they can get their dibs. The only thing we should be asking ourselves should be is multiculturalism working?

[@Juhz0r]

Yes.

[@ibizawavey8630]

We will get louder as you keep living in mediocrity, we're only getting started.

[@mohammadakramali1466]

No

[@US.ElectionMeddler]

No

[@idontcare2851]

It’s not and can’t sustain. Why is it so hard to admit that humans are different. We sprung up at different times and in different places all around this giant globe. I’ve had enough of forced inclusion.

[@primernetpl]

A yank has right to (re?)claim history of those cultures in the pictures? Truly bizarre.

[@pebblepod30]

where did he do that, do you know the time stamp? Cheers.

[@primernetpl]

@@pebblepod30 That first lady, the narrator starts talking about 'reclaiming' at 2:10 and then it continues.

[@walli6388]

Also, yes German troops commited a genocide in Namibia after their rebellion. It should however also be said that in contrast to the other colonial powers Germany was a monarchy. The German parliament was very outraged and pushed for the removal of Lothar von Trotha.

[@joedias7946]

Yes comparing rotten fish with rotten meat.there is something In common. They are equal.

[@walli6388]

@@joedias7946 I am talking about the German people

[@czarquetzal8344]

In literary criticism, we have Homi Bhabha, Gayatri Spivak and Edward Said. Now these artists voice out their concerns in terms of postcolonial discourse. Thanks, DW for making this concept accessible to the wider audience.

[@DWDocumentary]

Thanks for watching.

[@MK-lm6hb]

Most Europeans, including myself, are descendants of peasants. They too were treated badly, exploited economically, used as cannon fodder, and denied political rights. They were victims of internal colonialism. Shall we mourn our lost identity? Shall I seek a lost peasant in myself? Shall I feel guilty that I abandoned peasant culture and assumed the culture of oppressors of my ancestors?

[@walli6388]

Yours was a lot more back than theirs. We are going by chronological order. The Junkers are a little more back down the line.

[@MK-lm6hb]

@@walli6388 Not really. The British abolished the slave trade in 1807. Serfdom of peasants was abolished in Prussia in 1807, in Austria in 1848 and in Russia in 1861.

[@walli6388]

@@MK-lm6hb That was irony I was writing. You know because of the word Junkers and the GDRs Junker land in peasants hand

[@pebblepod30]

Great point

[@Flex2212]

@@MK-lm6hb Serfdom was abolished in Austria in 1782, not 1848.

[@pavle6378]

Eastern and Central Europe don't see themselves as part of this conversation as they had no colonies of their own and took no part in it. Why call it Postcolonial Europe as in a whole continent when it is well known which countries were colonial empires?

[@MK-lm6hb]

Are you sure? They had colonies closer home. Russia is still a colonial empire. Lithuania, Poland, Austria, Hungary and Turkey were colonial powers, the only difference being that they "colonised" their neighbours.

[@pavle6378]

@@MK-lm6hb This is about overseas colonies and slavery, so yes I`m sure. People living in Central and Eastern Europe were themselves invaded and enslaved. Western countries like UK, France, Netherlands etc are watering down the narrative by extending it to all of Europe which is wrong.

[@marpagapal3312]

Sure, only the countries who existed at the time had colonies.

[@walli6388]

@@MK-lm6hb Difference being: The lack of a national state and the citizenship of all

[@wpower7435]

@@pavle6378 what you said is true facts I agree. It's only western Europe or western powers who did those atrocities outside Europe heck the British brutalized the Irish which are literally neighbors of the British in the same continent

[@Kiyoone]

Hard to swallow this one? How about the opposite? How European Colonialism destroyed others culture? Not from the "artists" perspectives but from its people.

[@Camilla_Kudrin]

I'm a white girl with Slavic roots and I'm shocked because of this exaggeration of racial tensions. I don't remember about the deep past. Only radical leftists (both in color and white) remember this kind of conflicts. Here, in Ireland adequate citizens just live their lives. 13:23 Reparations to the Black community now???😂😂😂 To people, who never lived in slavery???😂🤣

[@ronrobinson206]

History is important so we are not doomed to repeat the bad aspects.

[@livethelife4833]

Exactly! That's really too much. You don't charge the descendants for their ancestors' crimes, even less to pay people who don't even have direct family members who suffered those acts, if you do, you are just using this mainstream narrative to work your racism against white people.

[@Africa-Liberation-Army]

We need to be asking questions about reparations and criminalization of colonialism

[@karankapoor2701]

Arab were the first one to start slave trade tbh

[@doomguy510]

@CRAM MARC Caucuses the region or White people? Because one is somewhat true the other is joke

[@Munchausenification]

Slaves were traded in ancient Babylon thousands of years ago. Civilisation is the origin of the slavetrade

[@marpagapal3312]

Slavery was a thing thousands of years before Arabs were a thing... But they monopolized transcontinental slavery for centuries.

[@marpagapal3312]

@@doomguy510 you know what the word slave means right? I'll give you a clue, it ain't to do with Africans...

[@doomguy510]

@@marpagapal3312 Sumerians didnt have slaves?

[@_robustus_]

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Owning our colonial past is one thing but losing culture is tragic too. I call it west-washing. Images of 18th and 19th century Africans, Asians and Native Americans don’t necessarily have to be seen in a racist framework, placing Europeans above those cultures. The flip side of that is the tragic loss of culture that comes from our pressure on the rest of the world to conform to our standards. After a while people from these cultures buy into these notions of western superiority and voluntarily give up their cultures in order mimic westerners. Take some time to look at these old ethnographic pictures. Most of the material culture (clothing, architecture ,etc) can no longer be found. In its place is a flood of factory produced western clothing and European concrete jungles. In the span of mere decades, millennia old knowledge of making traditional music, textiles and artifacts is simply lost because nobody remembers how to make it.

[@doomguy510]

That is what you get with Globalism and the idea that being Racist and Nationalist is Evil. Welcome to Ethno Nationalism

[@_robustus_]

@@doomguy510 Um….no. There is a middle path.

[@walli6388]

Bruh, every country did get Americanised. Regardless of the colonial pasts.

[@joenuts5167]

so dont live in modern homes? so dont have electricity? so dont use technology, or modern medicine?

[@doomguy510]

@@_robustus_ "um no" There really isn't, you can't claim diversity destroys Cultures and then claim that there is a middle path.

[@fatmaaldossari2150]

And how does their work connect to the concepts of decolonialism and postcolonialism?

[@sayuas4293]

The White Guilt documentary

[@l0wrid3r88]

🤡🤡🤡

[@livethelife4833]

Exactly!!!

[@patternrecon5271]

Loxism

[@johnadams5245]

DW, when you guys cover artists, they just eek this nasty sulphur smell and oozes ego and narcissism

[@808bigisland]

More like 4 housewife's painting therapy. Crafts..not art.

[@CillaP11]

Like your comment

[@TheGimmers]

Why are artists talking about history? There's plenty of Afro-historians who are more qualified to speak on this topic. Do you get a philosopher to talk about the coronavirus? No.

[@CillaP11]

Only historians are allowed to talk about history ?

[@walli6388]

Also, schoolbooks do mention colonialism in a whole chapter.

[@brandondavidson4085]

I remember learning about colonialism in 9th grade, in the far distant year of 2013, and textbooks describe colonialism as just a mistake and a thing of the past, not something we're still dealing with today. Not as a brutal process it is, that stole people, resources, and art from other countries and left them with nothing.

[@getgt]

@@brandondavidson4085 very important to remember when talking about the brief pass through of colonialism in *some* (barely any) school textbooks.

[@tigerlilysoma588]

Good to remember that morality is basically a social invention that’s being perfected. Just cuz they stole and killed doesn’t mean they weren’t stealing and killing thieves and murderers as well. Know the social systems of the past and you can actually see the people who lived then

[@manfreds.6384]

@@brandondavidson4085 a lot of people in the west don't even know about the Amritsar Massacre and mismanagement of British Empire on the Spanish Flu pandemic in India. They literally didn't do anything to alleviate the problem and they made those who are not yet sick worked harder to keep productivity high as people die from the pandemic. 20% of global deaths from the Spanish Flu came from India and Britain simply down played as Indian being inferior race that's why they died from the Spanish Flu. These two incidents galvanized the Indian Independence Movement which originally want to be a dominion of the UK to full pledge independence.

[@manfreds.6384]

@@brandondavidson4085 a lot of people in the west don't even know about the Amritsar Massacre and mismanagement of British Empire on the Spanish Flu pandemic in India. They literally didn't do anything to alleviate the problem and they made those who are not yet sick worked harder to keep productivity high as people die from the pandemic. 20% of global deaths from the Spanish Flu came from India and Britain simply down played as Indian being inferior race that's why they died from the Spanish Flu. These two incidents galvanized the Indian Independence Movement which originally want to be a dominion of the UK to full pledge independence.

[@adw8451]

I think it is important to differentiate between white gaze and colonialism. Whilst imposing the white gaze on ethnic people is wrong, there is nothing wrong with a country having its gaze and Western Europe is largely white so people from ethnic backgrounds will have to be okay with what we like.

[@popeofchina8551]

Every single country had a colonial empire The egyptians the greeks the assyrians the persians babylonians the arabs and the chinese and indians. The aztecs Incas and mayans.

[@toby9999]

A lot bad things happened in a lot of places, perpetrated by different peoples at different times. We can't change history. Dwelling too much on the past instead of learning from it causes anger, self guilt and division and fuels wokeism instead of forgiveness and healing.

[@RoBert-on1kb]

too much knowledge leads to wokeism. Hmmmm i wonder why that is.........

[@view1st]

How can you learn from the past if you don't dwell on it (i.e. use history)?

[@tomt8709]

@DWDocumantary: Why do you never include the production date in the description? I don't want to watch a repetition just because you renamed an old(er) production for reuse, and maybe not even your own production! In many of your videos, there is not even a production date! Any statement?

[@brennencox516]

5:09 Giving them makeup.... Hiding their true beauty. In general what she is doing is good, but she just touched upon something that other activists would attack her for.

[@vondahe]

What she is doing is to paint herself some sort of social avenger by abusing photos of native people without their permission. Artistic, entitled colonialism. Having a slightly brown skin does not entitle you to speak for other people with brown skin or portray yourself as their defender. As Morgan Freeman once said when asked about about how “we” can stop making race as issue, stop MAKING it an issue, stop talking about it.

[@antonemilia4484]

Those that did it aren't even alive anymore. We should just admit to the truth and admit to our past mistakes. What are we afraid of losing? Money? Status? Are we all supposed to go on living a lie? Like forever? What's wrong with us? We must all be mentally ill.

[@ExploreLearnEnglishWithGeorge]

it's not "re-claiming" I think the term is "appropriating". When you take historical images and draw over them you're not re-claiming nothing. I mean wtf are talking about here? She's an american who lives in Germany with Indian ethnicity and she's reclaiming images of people taken from a different era in places such as Africa? Reclaiming? Somebody should stop this nonsense presenting itself as more than it is. It's a personal art form - nothing else!

[@harryc8433]

liberals want more of it because they think racism is the worst thing in the history of mankind where as conservatives want more of it because this sort of talk just turns people onto their side

[@Lorettafavorites]

Great show a thank you

[@moarminerals]

Hope you can one day make on with historians and economists. Also, one based on the colonization of the Americas would be extremely interesting.

[@julian6356]

Can you do one on eight hundred years of Colonisation and enslavement of Spain and Portugal by Africans. Would be more than interesting.

[@jalilkhan2023]

So they don't really care about their identity yet they criticise West for everything that happened to them.

[@Linda-dc7rl]

This was brilliant!

[@fatmaaldossari2150]

what are the most interesting elements in the artist's work?

[@MK-lm6hb]

The people in this film are in fact quite privileged. They do not earn their bread and butter by physical exertion and have means to indulge in an exercise of intellectual sophistry. Their phantasies about being oppressed are an insult to victims of real oppression in the modern world, namely Afghanis faced with starvation, overworked Chinese workers, impoverished Africans, Ukrainians under the threat of war, Lebanese watching their country falling apart, and so for and so on.

[@CillaP11]

So there's a standard of oppression you have to meet before you're allowed to make an observation ? None of them claim to be experts on oppression, did you even watch the video

[@MK-lm6hb]

@@CillaP11 Absolutely. There is real oppression, perceived oppression, relative oppression and imaginary oppression. Just like poverty. Generally speaking, there is only relative oppression and relative poverty in the EU and absolute oppression and absolute poverty in Afghanistan. Isn't it obvious? I watched the video and saw three confused individuals who, philosophically speaking, confuse essence with existence.

[@patternrecon5271]

Wikipedia: Finland: Sexual violence: Perpetrators: wow BBC Sweden 58% foreinger Taharrush gamea New years eve Colonge Germany Rotherham scandal Manchester scandal Rochdale scandal Newcastle scandal Oxford scandal Bradford scandal Telford scandal Aylesbury scandal Huddersfield scandal Zabihullah Mohmand Montana Fort McCoy Afghans Somali sweden 9 years old Skaf gang australia Oulu scandal. Tapanila somali. Glasgow grooming gang. Kriss Donald. Lara Logan Egypt. Morocco beheading. Greece Ahmed Waqas.

[@FreeToBe_Me]

This was so eye-opening and educational. I wish all the featured artists continued success in their endeavors.

[@elenano2793]

Lol, did you seriously delete my comment because I asked why that artist was given a platform? She literally portrayed drug dealers as victims. They can be glad to be in a safe country but then commit crimes. People who don't obey to the law must be punished and that's not colonialism because these standards apply to everyone who's dealing drugs

[@davidjohnzenocollins]

Is anyone embarrassed by the fact their grandfathers were unable to defend their land? This is what I think when I hear people complaining about colonialism.

[@lunamoon4880]

It's more more than that ! they were capable to defend their land but not them....

[@j.b.4340]

Her art is really great, even if she is a racist.

[@captainnima]

DW is awesome. I wish they make one of these about Iran.

[@NickVanaswegen]

Now it just sounds like youre showing off what you can do about whats been done

[@inotaishu1]

Now DW, do one on postcolonial Russia, Turkey, China, Japan etc. etc. They didn't conquer, enslave and colonize for nothing!!!!

[@fra604]

They did it on Germany because they're a German source...

[@inotaishu1]

@@fra604 except that DW doesn't just cover Germany

[@fra604]

@@inotaishu1 They clearly pursue news that are useful to Germans. In the same way American media talks about racism on black people, DW talks about past European colonies. They don't cover only Germany but they surely have a German bias

[@inotaishu1]

@@fra604 that still wouldn't excuse their lack of coverage of russian and turkish colonialism.

[@schatzkammerein]

what a bunch of nonsense

[@l0wrid3r88]

🤡🤡🤡

[@eggplantandpeach]

These shorter documentaries are good 👍

[@walli6388]

Why is the Görlitzer Park a colonial situation? Everyone not only blacks are referring to the same rules here. That is called emigration law.

[@geralldus]

Those who build societies do so by exploiting sections of both their own and other countries populations. As the wealth builds the need for direct exploitation became less and the prosperity becomes more widely distributed. The current obsession with postcolonialism seems to be more about the comfort of retrospection and the fantasy of control/resolution rather than looking forward to the real problems we face that seem to engender nothing but chaos and disorder, it's basically a distraction!

[@nlramos8559]

Not true, educate yourself, you probably so privileged that you don't see it.

[@geralldus]

@@nlramos8559 Just saying something is 'not true' with proposing an alternative perspective is totally pointless and a waste of time.

[@gdal3]

Bla bla bla. Truth is, without colonialism, half the world would still be in the stone age.

[@VivianLinMusic]

At the time when first European colonization began really only parts of America’s and Africa could be called tribal stone era Most certainly though Portugal did not really have a hand in progression in the large scale

[@psikeyhackr6914]

And their descendants are supposed to pay for being brought out of the stone age FOREVER. What technology did YOU invent by the way? Have you noticed that double-entry accounting was invented in Italy 700 years ago but you palefaces do not make it mandatory in the schools? Most of you are pawns with everyone else.

[@salomastation6004]

May be you were in the dark ages untill nowadays

[@l0wrid3r88]

🤡🤡🤡

[@marpagapal3312]

Tinha de ser um Tuga a vir vomitar aqui...

[@ridhoirvan1070]

genuine question, why do people see white people as one race but blacks as many race /nationality like Congolese, Somalis, Morrocan etc?

[@walli6388]

Well, the difference between that British aristocrat and refugees is that he has his own money and travels because he can.

[@o__ospectrum]

DW should interview European parliamentarians if they would support rewriting European Colonial history. This video would be useless without the narrative from elected leaders.

[@brandondavidson4085]

I've loved DW Documentaries for several years. I am an elementary teacher though so it'd be nice to have ratings on them to know if the content is really appropriate for young children.

[@JJONNYREPP]

Postcolonial Europe: The significance of memory | DW Documentary 1716pm 19.1.22 germans are pretty much schwartz at the best of times.. and i have no trux with folk revisiting their past or detailing their woes. but.... this vile template you archivists and art critics have created where memory and place are the only reference points to detail where transcribing any aspects of an alleged oppressed kultur are concerned is pretty tiresome. no art catalogue can be picked up without reading it being testament to memory, place and belonging etc etc irrespective of western or 3rd world perspective... that would be a given if you engaged with an art gallery, anyway ie: if you realised this fact then there would be far more scope to express what it is they, the artistes or oppressed peoples, may be feeling as opposed to some lard or erudite skank detailing everything for them... as in dictating the route by which it is allowable to express themselves. as i say pretty tiresome. thanx. and pretty self defeating... one day i'm gonna ram that car door up yer spacious back passage, you real estate agent in waiting...

[@dadikkedude]

Children with internet access probably seen more of the world than you had when you were a child.

[@zeitgeistx5239]

Eh, enjoy your brainwashing. While some DW documentaries are good, others are Fox News level bad. Their documentaries relating to the Dieselgate scandal and defense related ones are filled with German nationalism. DW just like anything else are the product of the people behind the camera.

[@inotaishu1]

well, then lets hope they will do one on postcolonial Russia, Turkey, China, Japan etc. etc.

[@RoBert-on1kb]

@@inotaishu1 why would they do that? if you want to know about that you should study history.

[@BRUNNABAL]

ÓTIMO!!!

[@olsaffa7679]

What is being proposed? That someone white today needs to restitute towards someone not white today? This would be racism all over again. We should not forget the past but we cannot impose guilt on people today because of the colour of their skin. I refuse to feel guilt about history or who I was born to. I even see in the comments here how colonialism is equated with being "white male". So a little sexism is added too? The good old recoil of me being a beneficiary of the past is too subjective and lazy. You do not uplift humanity through pulling people down to stand on; you ensure people, irrespective of sex, race, etc. have opportunities. The best way for this is education, but then you look at the educated who promote the cancel culture, white guilt, toxic masculinity, reverse racism and sexism, and realize how even education has been turned into a tool for these subjective social warriors.

[@walli6388]

Why can Afropean not just be Europeans. Gives us all a common identity. That is the thing we need, not a fracturing society.

[@marpagapal3312]

Racists will always see themselves and others based on skin color...

[@melechdomeyhwh]

@@marpagapal3312 racism is an entire system?

[@Perun944]

Different bloodlines. I, a Brit, can move to China but that doesn't make me Chinese. A Russian can move to Mexico but that doesn't make him Mexican. Our bloodlines differ and have different origins.

[@livethelife4833]

@@Perun944 but your children will be mostly Chinese, if you say otherwise, you don't understand that culture is something you experience by yourself not something that is in your blood. Imagine a Mexican having a child in China who never went to Mexico and still claims to be Mexican, that's bs, you're parents are Mexican but, you would mostly behave as Chinese unless you isolated to keep your roots intact.

[@patternrecon5271]

IQ world map IQ heritability

[@jasonrobertson1948]

Everyone is both bad and good - whatever difference in culture, religion or value systems the one thing we actually do have in common is human nature - if another region of the world had been more technically advanced than Europe then they would have surely colonized and stereotyped Europeans.

[@olsaffa7679]

Well said, Jason. But it will not be well heard as it doesn't fit the current hip narrative of the educated social warriors streaming out the university doors.

[@СветланаСвета-н8б]

Bravo!!

[@generalripper7528]

3:49 Freedom of speech says hi. Also, nice racism and hate speech on that t-shirt.

[@livethelife4833]

Yes, that's the real idea behind all this guilt imposing agenda. How can I be charge for my grandparents' crimes? I'm latinamerican but what you they're doing to European culture is terrible.

[@generalripper7528]

@@livethelife4833 It is nothing short of the self-destruction of the Western civilisation by a group of psychologically deranged people.

[@agarwalamit081]

Amazing artwork!

[@Pou1gie1]

How does westernizing the appearance of past people of color "humanize" and "beautify" them? Also, isn't that a form of creating "respectability" through using the white western perspective? Her creative perspective feels regressive, not progressive, to me.

[@karentorkar8256]

Religion was the main driving set of ideas for the behaviour.

[@lookup7055]

Really? Please elaborate.

[@karentorkar8256]

@@lookup7055 If you need an explanation, you'd better study it up for yourself. Because it's a very big topic. Starting point, probably in ancient times. Like The old testament.

[@itsme6026]

Artist? This woman has few artistic talent. Good lord. Go develop her own original work instead of painting over someone’s published books.

[@walli6388]

Are you really going to argue that dinosaur bones are a cultural heritage of a certain country? That is kinda bs.

[@TheMagicJIZZ]

Are they European or not? Because I am whether they choose and if they refuse Then unfortunately they gotta be dealt with. Remember Europeans are indigenous like native Americans we have self determination. If you're black and brown you have the right to call yourself European if you want. But there's a thin line between being a " new European " and colonizer yourself. Europe isn't a place for the world. France has the right to speak French not German and certainly Arabic has no right to hold space

[@dadikkedude]

Get back to school kid

[@miloslavpetras713]

You are onto something my dude

[@sysyphenf8ewtfr603]

😂

[@patternrecon5271]

Wikipedia: Finland: Sexual violence: Perpetrators: wow BBC Sweden 58% foreinger Taharrush gamea New years eve Colonge Germany Rotherham scandal Manchester scandal Rochdale scandal Newcastle scandal Oxford scandal Bradford scandal Telford scandal Aylesbury scandal Huddersfield scandal Zabihullah Mohmand Montana Fort McCoy Afghans Somali sweden 9 years old Skaf gang australia Oulu scandal. Tapanila somali. Glasgow grooming gang. Kriss Donald. Lara Logan Egypt. Morocco beheading. Greece Ahmed Waqas.

[@Rosereto]

Colonialism and colonization are ongoing.

[@MercSLRFan]

Anyone else read the title as Postcoital Europe?

[@KapilSharma-kv1hk]

Colonization lead to civilization and civilization lead to more depress society 😀

[@Munchausenification]

Was it Voltaire or Rousseau who said Civilisation was a mistake? And yes slavery first became a thing with the introduction of Civilisation

[@walli6388]

@@Munchausenification That depends on the definition. During the Stone Age tribes would kidnap women from other tribes to bolster their numbers.

[@Munchausenification]

@@walli6388 hmm. sure sounds plausible, i have to look for sources on that.

[@nagsen4921]

May Lord Buddha bless all these artists.

[@bysonchi]

Hats off to DW, for another excellent piece; unlike most mainstream media.

[@doomguy510]

A couple low IQ nobodies have an opinion and this is excellent to you?

[@bysonchi]

@@doomguy510 It's amazing how insecure your kinds is. The greatest transfer of wealth in human history; afforded you the life that you don't even deserve; and yet you despise that said people . A classic poor example of organic material.

[@doomguy510]

@@bysonchi I didnt read your furry comment lol

[@bysonchi]

@@doomguy510 More like your hypoplastic cerebrum couldn't conjure up a sensible response; beside the "lol".

[@walli6388]

@@bysonchi How can the greatest transfer of wealth in history happen in 30 years?

[@saltymcsaltface]

DW is officially woke

[@AQuietNight]

DW is government funded.

[@JayToons]

I would like to see economy and sociology expert being questioned about the influence of colonialism and the transatlantic slave trade had in the development of the today's rich and powerful countries. I'm not an expert, but I guess USA and Western Europe would not be in the position they are now if they would not use free labor and if they would not profit on their past colonies. By the way. There is no postcolonial Europe. Some EU countries still have something similar to colonies, of course adapted to nowadays world, but still they own territories that are far away from their mainland and that they conquered with blood in the recent centuries. So yes, there is still colonialism going on.

[@sixninemoneysign7853]

Transatlantic trade only bought 300k over to USA, millions upon millions went to Brazil.

[@JayToons]

​@@sixninemoneysign7853 Brazil didn't exist back then as a country. But yeah, you are right, not all went to the same territories. All EU colonies in America were buying slaves, be it British, Spanish, Portuguese or French.

[@harryc8433]

your comment is based in white supremacy. countries across the globe and those of many different races were involved in the slave trade but you seem to think only the white man can do a good job at it. you should research a little more and not let your bias conflate your thinking

[@JayToons]

@@harryc8433 Yes, white supremacy had a lot to do with it. Some white people started thinking they are better than other people because of their skin color and in the end, black people are regarded as less human and thus, subject to be treated as cattle. And I believe that it had a big part of making these countries so powerful that they even decide to divide and own an entire continent (Africa) even after abolishion. Anyway, I don´t think all white people is white supremacist. That´s stupid. Roman and Greeks owned slaves and traded them and they were white people. But it was a diffrent kind of slavery. Arabs also had slaves. Indian, Chinese ... there were slaves in many cultures. Even in african empires. But the slaves were treated differently in each culture. In many cultures the slaves had to be treated well and in some others like Islamic cultures, they had to free them if they become muslim. So not all the slavery is the same. It is not good either, I´m not saying that. So yes, I know that European didn´t invent slavery. But what they invented is a way of profiting out of it never seen before. And also, they invented a way to focus it on only one inferior race, implying that also, the rest of races were inferior to the white one, but there was one at the bottom of all of them. And maybe this is a reason why they could harvest so much cotton, sugar, rum, tobacco to be bring it to Europe and boost the economy through a prosperous trade. Just saying.

[@harryc8433]

@@JayToons Yeah but everything you said can be applied to none whites involved in the slave trade too. Singling out one race years later just because the other races who did it sucked at it is ridiculous. Just saying.

[@zuokakarta]

It's "amazing" what an "artist" can "create" for a few bucks.

[@ashes_menagerie]

🗑 🚮

[@jamescagney1965]

@DW Could you highlight some actual experts from both Europe and Africa countries discussing the differences in "quality of life" and infrastructural issues such as education, transportation and healthcare between the African countries that were colonized and those that weren't? The opinions of "artists" are okay, but an industrial, political or, even, academic viewpoint would be more valid.

[@sandradee1049]

There are plenty of academic works that engage the mind but it is the Art works that engage the heart that leave a lasting impression. I applaud this documentary and hope there are many more.

[@MK-lm6hb]

Interesting point, James. It seems that Egypt and Ethiopia, which were largely free from being controlled by Europeans, are not on a higher level of development than former colonies. On the other hand, former colonies in which a large proportion of the population were European settlers rather than colonial administrators (the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) are among the most developed countries in the world. Perhaps Protestantism was also a factor? All the countries mentioned above were dominated by Protestants. Catholic Latin America is less developed.

[@sayitasis8326]

@@MK-lm6hb Protestantism definitely has a hand to play

[@MK-lm6hb]

@@sayitasis8326 The issue is to what degree was Protestantism instrumental in economic development. My view is that it was not Protestantism per se but Protestantism as the accelerator of secularism, tolerance, general welfare and common sense. As Protestants were divided among themselves and there was no one church authority, as the papacy was in Catholicism, Protestants had to seek a compromise and to separate government from religion. I would go as far s to say that Protestantism was conducive to social and economic development by accident rather that by design. More important was the Enlightenment which promotes three elements of a well functioning civilisation, namely rationalism, empiricism and humanism.

[@walli6388]

I am against "reparations" because what do you want to repair (I am excluding the Herero and Nama here). All the black ppl currently living in Germany aren't from their colonial past. They emigrated later into either the FRG or GDR after the war. The ones from before died in the concentration camps.

[@FFND16N]

You've got quite a vested interest in drubbing this vid/it's issues, haven't you? Sure you're not really of Belgian aristocratic descent, eh?

[@toby9999]

@@FFND16N Instead of insults, why not speak to the comment, which does have some merit?

[@FFND16N]

@@toby9999 Please tell me, Toby--to WHAT 'insult' do you refer? Belgian ancestry? As well, regarding the point he 'tried' to make and you obsequiously kneel to defend: Reparations don't just constitute/'provide' some sort of direct, cash payout...to aggrieved individuals or direct descendant dwelling within city limits. This is about cultural AND colonial exploitation in far-flung lands--that are affected to this day by those past societal structures; as well the diasporans & expats who still have connections therein and live w/the stigmas you obviously scoff at. Never mind losing your economic empire in the wake of 1918; that 'debt' was extracted at the behest of fellow European powers & their grievances...not in repayment to those colony lands themselves! How many German wealth hegemonists & private equity interests publicly eschew business within the continent...on account of "..endemic African fraud & corruption risks.."? --yet likely have very healthy, but clandestine national representation within the pages of the 'Panama Papers', eh? At least 5 mil EU worth, right...quickly snapped up by your BKA.

[@salomastation6004]

It's not art it's runeing the history using some colors , it's not fair for those who want have a look on the history , it's aweful

[@ashes_menagerie]

Are these people for real????

[@edwinsalau150]

The Empire bites back! Too bad!

[@temmy9]

some day we'll be the ones decolonising you occupiers from our homelands.

[@youme1414]

Now I need our resources back in the forms of modern development. I am not interested in artefacts.

[@Black._.Bry8]

How come you called the USA “America”???

[@ivandavidponcebouza6100]

Oh yeah,baby!

[@r3nd3rm4n]

if we want equal rights for every one, then we need to collectively invest in robotics and automation with a military like budget like our lives depended on it. otherwise it will continue as has always been, that for someone to win, there needs to be someone who will lose.

[@barbarabobbyscott1560]

We need The Kingdom.

[@OakInch]

The real problem is only coming from people who have never even seen "their home countries" and who were born in Europe or the US. They are raised as raging bigots as a result of political exploitation by Leftists. Take for example the Congo Free state, referenced here as "Belgian Colonialism". The fact is, it was a sovereign country trusted to be run locally by Africans. It was not a colony. There were very few Europeans there. It was run in typical African brutal fashion, in African ways, by Africans. It was not colony of Belgium. Making it a colony was what ended the terror--Did you get that? They made it a colony to fix it. I have been told by several Indians they appreciate the British influence on their culture. Africans in most of Africa don't care about colonialism. It was huge boon to their civilization and ended their human servant trade. But the grifters on the left see an opportunity to gain by provoking hatred in the West. You wouldn't want to go to any of these places had they not been colonized. Many of them didn't even have farming or the wheel, much less human rights.

[@davidwilliams3439]

Dw when is Germany gonna pay for its fair share for the wickedness and evil you have done to the African people

[@cartier2312]

The American Colonization Society