A Truely Awful Start with no good tiles or room to expand - Kongo Ep.1

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[@mr.tapman8685]

6:13 "I don't feel boxed in at all" 7:58 "I'm feeling very very boxed in" That escalated quickly

[@wizzlet6821]

Lolol

[@bremeteam9189]

Can I re comment this?

[@thatoneguyinthecomments2737]

@@bremeteam9189 why?

[@bremeteam9189]

Idk I like the comment

[@alijahrudy7016]

you all probably dont give a shit but does anyone know of a way to get back into an instagram account?? I somehow forgot the password. I love any tips you can give me.

[@mrjblacc85]

oh, you've got a really good spot for the panama canal! This will go really nicely with your venetian arsenal! ;)

[@HBaes456]

Ya, Plz build the Panama canal!

[@rivaldealer__]

build the Panama Arsenal

[@jan-lukas]

And the venetian Canal... Wait, that makes sense, that's bad

[@mohandasjung]

@@jan-lukas I like your words magic man

[@Basketball_is_Life66]

😐

[@KingOskar4]

8:42 well this is just bad RNG, "legendary" start and you are surrounded by 3 neighbours that get irritated easily, like Ethiopia's "LEAVE THE HILLS 4 US!!!"

[@lucasclarke9252]

Kongo are a lot slower to win culture in the late game because they can't build holy sites. No holy sites means very little faith, so you can't buy very many naturalists or rock bands

[@maartenswartenbroekx7395]

You can actually get some good faith late-game from excess great person points

[@robertposaric6419]

Relics provide faith if you can get them i guess

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

Strap yourself in bucko for a sub 250 win, I'm calling it now

[@commandojoe123]

@@robertposaric6419 also if you can find a way to store them without holy sites or old god obelisks.

[@kristianmartinez2182]

@@PotatoMcWhiskey Can you do that while still prioritizing the Venetian Arsenal?

[@glaucousgrey990]

I absolutely love Civ V, and I've played it quite a bit. Up until I found this video I hadn't wanted to get Civ VI just because of the price of it with all DLCs, and later because I forgot it existed. You reminded me to check on the store page, entire thing DLCs and all was on sale for 50 dollars. I'm gonna have a lot of fun once it finishes installing, and hopefully start with some good strategy knowledge to boot! I owe ya for both, thanks!

[@AussieAnnihilation]

I like how much detail you put into explaining the pros and cons of your decisions, it's helping me to be a more conscious player, thank you.

[@koensmit8955]

Great start. Never seem to win with Kongo so I am really looking forward to this series

[@OddityDK]

Please do “over explain”. That’s the main reason I watch your videos. To learn. Otherwise I might as well spend the time playing the game instead. A request though. Could you make a habit of scrolling down to the game seed whenever possible?

[@ninao1147]

I'm loving your tutorials. Thanks so much! I almost never have tried anything except a diplomatic win until I got to king level, then I needed more. Watching your nice, and unranting, strategy has made a lot of difference!

[@vojtechzahradnik7830]

New Civ series, excited to watch it all

[@kevinjackson745]

I'm listening to this while I work, and it's enough explanation that I can follow without watching closely, but not so much that I get bored waiting for you to do something. If this is a new format for you, keep it up, it's great!

[@bigfudge2031]

You should play a game as Victoria and rush harbours in every city (with the pantheon that gives extra production toward the first district) when you combine that with the policy card, governor and free enquiry dedication you can generate insane amounts of science and gold in every city.

[@nickjeffery536]

I started a new game today and had a great start - Playing a standard Pangaea map size as Basil, I spawned right between Yosemite to the west and the coast to the east - this meant that settling in place got me the sailing boost (and all 6 coast tiles in range of the capital had either crabs or fish), and a really decent first tile to work. It also gave me the boost for Astrology (allowing me to rush for it, as I was in Shuffle mode) and I found the Hermetic Order, allowing me to install Pingala on Turn 1... All of this allowed me to get really early swordsmen (plus a vampire) and eliminate my neighbour Alexander before he could really get started...

[@dDeckon]

If the Eleanor Game has taught us Anything: Just Settle a City Next to Ankara{Ottoman City} & Flip it :)

[@NostalGaming]

keep up the good work bro you are my favourite civ 6 youtuber,greetings from indonesia

[@salsalvador3354]

As a new player I actually found out of the units protecting city areas thing on my own, and in my current Brazil game it was the only thing that saved me from potentially lacking a coast (hehe I might have amassed wonders)

[@pitohui9430]

I would have settled on the silk.Would that have been a bad play? +1 Culture from the getgo +fresh water+1 amenity

[@stingypotato6893]

Really liked the amount of explanation

[@ShaqPlaque]

This is the type of start that I abruptly pound "Restart" on around turn 40. It'll be interesting to watch it play out.

[@pippifpv]

A newb like myself, loves your "over explained" game play. I learn so much

[@jamesdinius7769]

I recently had a game as America where I was able to not only make a Theater Square Mega Triangle but I was able to do it with Water Parks instead of Entertainment Complexes. I also had Yellowstone in one of the 3 cities, but wasn't able to put a national park on it because it spawned on a lake. I wanted to put a park on either side of it instead, but coal and aluminum spawned there. Feels bad man.

[@OneCreator87]

Never thought I would ever hear "very good jungle tiles" in a Civ game.

[@chippie9223]

Im in the midgame of a Kongo game so this is perfect timing to learn

[@paploox5404]

I totally understand why but I hate it when you chop rainforest/first in luxury tile

[@minorantagonist7090]

That little island to your north is a fisheries improvement DREAM- you're looking at around 10 2 production fisheries-- you won't be able to do anything with that besides produce naval units. It might be worth trying to go for the panama canal to connect the two seas.

[@toonpieterse260]

Hey Potato, great content, treally enjoying it. Wich mods do you use?

[@18andolderish]

My best WORST start wasn't tundra but snow do the 1st ring, 2nd ring was mountain and ocean and no workable tiles insight at all. (I had rand setting but legendary starting) wish I could show you how awful it was for rng.

[@lewforgis1085]

Somehow the Venetian arsenal is gonna be your godsend

[@supervillain3213]

2 tiles to the right of Mbanza Mbata would be a +4 campus. Fissure, mountain and 2 districts.

[@venturamack]

Love the semi over explained gamenplay

[@malleyosiris]

I like the "overly explained" approach. Yes you say stuff we know but there are a few things I didn't. Great tutoring

[@eduardo3652]

19:26 That's what I haven't properly appreciated, facepalm.

[@artemi7]

Surely that Elephant chop was a mistake? I would have bought a tile to connect Mpinda (probably the one where the Entertainment District is planned?), and given the chop to it to speed out it's 42 turn harbor a bit quicker.

[@DSMTyralion]

I like the overexplained gameplay. It gives me the opportunity to learn more!

[@melovepeas]

The skill expression in how you handled being boxed in is actually insane!

[@silenth13]

i felt pretty boxed in when i spawned in the ocean

[@deepk7756]

I want to see next episode already :) liked it a lot.

[@gastonrousset3890]

I think I’m a little too fond of your content, it’s the third time I’ve watched it again. Really your content is great and well done. A French subscriber👏

[@hobnob_]

Those first three seconds made me laugh way too hard.

[@gunzakimbo]

Great video as always! Super entertaining and it's nifty you playing on Continents and Islands cause that's literally what I was doing with Nubia. I find it very annoying that barbarians in my record had Caravels like 10 turns into the Medieval era! Ya the AI are dumb, but jesus christ it's one of the most annoying things to have a single boat destroy 3 or your galleys and pillage your harbor and all your fishing boats! Barbs need to get nerfed a little.........

[@Cavedogpdx]

I only play vanilla Civ 6 I haven't downloaded any expansion content yet but I'm confused... how did the tile Northwest of Mbanza Kongo go from grassland before the 9:50 mark but suddenly (when you switched your civics to Colonization) it had horses on it starting at 10:08?

[@NathanielBarlam]

Picks "Legendary" start, Civ plays Uno reverse card

[@brandonsalcedo4142]

Nice! I like the Kongo, this came just in time.

[@winstonchurchill5544]

I am fond of pigs

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

oink

[@deboozombie23]

As for the starting location I was wondering if a lake harbor also improves sea tiles, and what if you build a canal later on?

[@Gabrielbeber]

27:14 Was it really worth it, tho? Just asking. I think it's better to force grow as fast as possible in small cities (when there are good titles to work). The wait for a new tec gave you +1/+1 (+2/+2 because Magnus) but also increased the value for the district and you might have worked a 2/2 title earlier (so it evens out in this regard). Not criticizing or anything, you taught me so much, but I always try to optimize :P

[@maxsternberg8377]

Why do you say there are only three possible cities to build at 13:22? There are four decent spots, if you move your most western city one tile to the right und your city close to Ethiopia one tile to the north, so you can play one more city between them. These cities would become even better actually, cause the western city would be able to build an aquaduct to the mountain, while the northern city would reach the horses even faster. Didnt watch thoe complete video yet, if you changed it, my apologies :D love your vids btw!

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

Settling off of fresh water doesn't count as a city

[@maxsternberg8377]

@@PotatoMcWhiskey both of your northern coastal cities were of fresh water. So why dont place 3 coastal cities, especially with an aquaduct on top in of them? I am only speaking of your coastal cities of course, not of these in the south of your capital. I am talking about a city between Mpinda (were you couldve had an aquaduct) and Mbwila.

[@itwasntme6110]

Sup Potato greetings from Guatemala 🇬🇹. Can u do a domination game with the Mare on terra map.

[@pugpaladin3218]

I love guatemala 😍😍

[@woody4077]

"SAILING TAKES ME AWAY......."

[@Carllos_William]

You should not harvest all the forest when you have no hills, so you gonna have no production at all.

[@poyloos4834]

4:24 B-but… the holy scriptures of the Patrons of Civilization 6… n-no scout?… Saint Andrew preserve us…

[@dizwoozy5471]

Great video!

[@MaddyBird666]

Jutting islands? Pretty sure that's just a peninsula.

[@sarkham92]

Perfect overexplained video i can suggest to new people as well as more advanced players

[@EPICLYFATALERROR]

Wouldn't you normally want to avoid founding cities on bonus resource tiles since it deletes them?

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

It doesn't delete them, it depends on the resource

[@ToolforOffice]

You don't have to settle coastal to be able to use the harbor now, what am I missing? I don't know the game inside and out yet so are there bonuses you get for being coastal as opposed to being inland a couple tiles and building the harbor anyway? Edit: city center adjacency bonus ah

[@powlman6841]

*truly

[@lmaokai392]

ah yes the kongo you ready to get colonized by everyone lul

[@skyltdockan]

Mr Potato, why do you select resources abundant?

[@bensrandomshows1482]

Gotta say dude, you under value Earth Goddess Also, you probably gonna have to go to war

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

My land has no production tho

[@isaactodman2015]

Why didn't potato settle the Ivory (elephants)? (not experienced, genuine question)

[@samuelhakansson6680]

I don't get your early starting dilemma at all tbh. Settling where you started gives you a 2 - 2 - 1 tile to work from the start (at the lake), as well as double luxuries. But you argue you want a harbour. But why don't just plop down the harbour in the second ring? Its at most a small gold cost, and the extra sea tiles you gain will be roughly outweighed by your inland tiles (most likely the inland tiles are better, since they are good from the start even). Now you argue you could settle near the fish for the early 1 - 3 tile to work, but you don't want a harbour on the fish tile (understandable). But why not plop down the harbour in the second ring again? Are you THAT eager to gain a meager +1 gold that you wish to forego early good tiles to work? Love your content as usual, but some of your settling dilemmas I just don't understand. Hence the title felt a little bit like clickbait, since I expected a truly awful start, and your starting location is pretty nice if we just count the tiles near your settler.

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

Yes but its not coastal on a sea map, and you need to settle coastally on a sea map to get long term value, if I had settled in place I would have been crushed this game with even less room to expand. Plopping down a harbour next to a city center gives you +2 adjacency, I require at least +3 adjacency on my harbours to build them otherwise they are not a good return on investment. Killing a fish tile for a +2 harbour is shit, and I'd never place harbours outside the first ring of a coastal city. when I know if I shift my city I'll have room to settle later. Double luxuries are bad early game usually unless you can settle on them.

[@samuelhakansson6680]

​@@PotatoMcWhiskey Absolutely killing a fish tile for a harbour is shit, but why do you think having a harbour with less than +3 gold is "not a good return on investment"? Gold early on is quite a weak yield, and losing +2 gold is a rather small price to pay imo for all the other benefits a harbour gives you. Personally I love harbours, but mostly because they give a combination of a trade route and allowing you to eventually work the sea tiles. Yes you lose out on 2 production later on with the shipyard but by the time you get it, 2 production less doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Would really like to hear your reasoning here. :-) Oh and I personally don't mind double luxuries, as I'm usually postponing my builders quite a bit until I get at least 2 more settlers, so having high base yield tiles to work is always nice. But that part is due to my play style and not necessarily "wrong" on your part if you prefer to chase certain eurekas. :-)

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

@@samuelhakansson6680 2 gold = 1 Production. Gold is one of the strongest early game yields in the game, because its transient production and there are very limited ways to earn gold. It is production you can place exactly where you want. The difference between a +4 Harbour and a +6 Harbour is 50%, but you keep both the gold and the production, so its like going from working 2x Industrialist specialists and 1x commercial specialist to 3x and 1.5x respectively. That is a very significant difference. Considering its doubled by the card its only a +1 difference, but thats 200production and 200 gold over the course of a game And you keep the fishing tile which itself is worth a lot of gold over the game.

[@samuelhakansson6680]

@@PotatoMcWhiskey I'll just conclude that we have very different views on the value of early gold. Personally I don't value gold anywhere near that conversion rate (rather 3-4 to 1 prod) so the gold yield on a harbour is rather inconsequential for me and hence my question. Personally I would never sacrifice 1 production in the early game (extra production from working 2 - 2 tiles) for some potential gold that overall equates to 1 builder of the course of a game, but I can see that you view things differently. Cheers for your reply either way! :-)

[@pugpaladin3218]

Do they spell truly different outside of America?

[@ogwankenobi6655]

Potato will you continue the a-z challenge?

[@SrJosesito]

Sos un loco lindo, como te quiero potato

[@masterxanonomas]

Awesome more civ.

[@warlordnipple]

Don't do this if you don't want to but a Byzantine small continent or some other water map with dramatic ages, apocalypse mode and go for a domination victory could be kinda cool.

[@chainsisinapickle2014]

So early my dad hasn't started drinking yet

[@MarkVicarage]

Dark burn!

[@joshuasmith2664]

Ooo self burn does are rare!

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

wtf dude

[@wingmanbarkerhere1696]

Dude that’s crazy! My dad once emptied my bank account and left 🤣

[@bloop2911]

@@wingmanbarkerhere1696 mine just emptied my mom of her blood XD

[@Spacerips1984]

Just waitin’ for everyone to spam “pLaY rElIgIoUs KoNgO” in the comments

[@brandonzzz9924]

So if you get a religion from someone else, then kill them, then spread to the whole world: do you win?

[@joshuaward2271]

@@brandonzzz9924 you do not, unfortunately.

[@Spacerips1984]

The strat has *f a i l e d*

[@MrFish-kg1cn]

@@brandonzzz9924 You have to found the religion to get the religious victory

[@iRewer]

@@joshuaward2271 f**k! :)

[@robertposaric6419]

6 gold per turn for open borders LMAO

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

The Art of the Deal

[@redhidinghood9337]

@@PotatoMcWhiskey The best trade deal in the history of trade deals, if I may say so

[@blackwind2992]

@@PotatoMcWhiskey like the time you pay 250 per turn for a piece of great art ?

[@KaizerKlash111]

@@blackwind2992 like when Eleanor (uk) had no military strength, 2 cities left and 8 bombards at her door she be like : Nu, you pay me 300 gpt for peace !

[@samuelhakansson6680]

There is currently a bug at play after the last update, where the AI will sometimes accept ridiculous trade proposals. Dunno if that happened here, but it happened to several people. In my last BM Teddy game on Deity, the AI refused my initial offer of 4 iron for a great work of art, but when I clicked "what would it take?" the deal switched to green and I was able to clean Peter out for 4 great works for nearly no cost until he refused to trade further with me. The same works for city deals afaik once the bug is triggered, even though it is unclear atm what triggers it.

[@blank5298]

This style is the perfect blend between enjoyment and analytical. I reaaaaaally like this kind of style. Also comment to flex on algorithms.

[@Panchiwiris]

Playing a game without secret societies now seems weird. They were a great addition to the game

[@sauronsmundwinkel]

For me Same but also apocalypse sind except for the meteors its more realistic

[@robertposaric6419]

Secret societies makes Deity gameplay an Emperor gameplay in my opinion... its fun but so is playing civ on lower difficulty

[@herrofriend2030]

@@robertposaric6419 But sometimes it makes it more difficult as the AI also get a lot of governor titles early, which can make there early game lead even bigger

[@auphe7980]

@@robertposaric6419 some IA turn 100 200 science is not making it more easy x)

[@pauldavis1001]

@@robertposaric6419 I completely agree. Secret societies gives you stupid bonusus which the AI can't utilise. Even on deity

[@Fenrir6543]

Cree word of the day "Expand" "ᑲ ᒪᐦᑭ ᓭᐦᒋᑫᕁ" / "ka mahki sehcikehk"

[@sauronsmundwinkel]

Why is """ first hk then hc?

[@Fenrir6543]

@@sauronsmundwinkel Apologies, that's my additional " quotation marks

[@sauronsmundwinkel]

@@Fenrir6543 damn they fit in there so well

[@Fenrir6543]

@@sauronsmundwinkel Yeah apologies, I've not noticed that until now. Thank you for pointing it out to me!

[@joshuasmith2664]

Fitting

[@andrewplehn4805]

I was today years old when I learned that the boost for Early Empire could be triggered by the combined population of your empire, and not just a single city. I have 1000+ hours sunk into this game.

[@cacs2201]

What? It is one of the clearer boosts, and you get it all the time at the start...

[@emiratii2464]

ikr me too

[@JoeKnaggs]

I'm pretty sure it was changed from just the capital to your whole empire many months ago

[@RandomTomatoSoup]

@@JoeKnaggs No, it's always been like this.

[@RandomTomatoSoup]

How? Do you just not pay attention to what the inspirations are?

[@Frankiefailure]

I like all the zoomed in screen shots. It's much easier to read. Im sure that take a lot more time in editing tho.

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

its worth it though

[@sami4508]

I LOVE this "semi over explained" thing, it helps me to get better, thanks !

[@raffloresjr]

Love the zooming in edit you’ve been making these past couple of vids. Makes it easier to read

[@ultdarrspdr6583]

A spelling mistake from Potato? Finally, after that one time you got a sponsor, I can confirm it's you

[@TheJackOfFools]

I'm enjoying the slightly compressed format. I also liked the old way, too, but you are doing good either way. If a compressed YT format is better for your engagement or what have you, you still doing good. 😃

[@Eric-sy1xu]

I like watching a game where you're seemingly half-stressed about the decisions you have to make. I'm shit at Civ and haven't played it in Yonks cause I'm at uni rn, so having you explain nuances in these specific and seemingly minute details is really useful. The game as a whole kind of links into my degree as well cause you can take analogies from the game mechanics and translate them into Real World Shit like "oh right, Venice did well in the renaissance cause its shipyards were Tight and so its trade routes were exceedingly profitable as a result of innovative shipbuilding designs enabling more cargo space", & shit like that

[@aidanabregov1412]

Me, whenever I choose a Civ and a Map in CIV VI

[@maxkuozc]

What AI gives 6 gold per turn for open borders? What have you done to them!

[@TheJamsplat]

He had a friendship with them and as the Ottoman's are an aggressive expansionist civ and Potato was blocking their access to expand they were willing to pay a lot more for open borders. A civ like Rome on the other hand would ignore the Western part of the map and just expand south

[@maxkuozc]

@@TheJamsplat how does the AI make the judgement that they're boxed in? I thought AI don't really think about stuff that's too complicated

[@TheJamsplat]

@@maxkuozc I think it is less about being boxed in and more about pathing. The ottomans want to declare war on people and Potato was essentially stopping them from attacking anyone as he had a friendship and the other civs are to the west. If the Ottamans could move troops over the water tiles he likely would have got less gold for open borders

[@andredie45]

I hate water maps, got a spawn once with two tiles surrounded by two mountain ranges, a lake, and the ocean, that was the quickest restart I’ve ever done lol

[@maxparker4808]

“The more they like you the less likely they are to declare war on you.” - PotatoMcWhiskey, Master Diplomat.

[@kidlatdakila2]

Also started as Congo yesterday! I'm also having a terrible start because the switch version of Civ6 keeps crashing.

[@nathanadler4024]

Hi Potato, I know you probably won't see this comment, but I want you to know I think your vids are great and they've helped me improve a lot at civ6. Keep up the great content!

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

thx

[@andrewboardman2654]

Think they tweaked the AI recently, just got completely wrecked on diety last couple times, they seem to be a lot smarter now, last night started game, and had two AIs show up with massive armies and declared war almost at the same time, had just popped out a slinger, so woulda been screwed with just one of them declaring war. and next game, only one declared war shortly after getting my slinger out, but showed up with all his guys again, before they only threw like 2 or 3 at a time. Even put it down to immortal, and got wrecked yet again! Yesterday was not fun :(

[@peeledapples4176]

I played a game today where I was a good way towards a science win then got *devastated* by a bunch of disasters. A previously friendly Kongo suddenly rolled in with modern armour armies and kicked my ass. Was really impressed with how the AI chose the perfect moment to attack.

[@shackledheart]

Seeing a potato vid notification brings joy to my life ❤️

[@misterbleedinggums]

I thought it was a perfect amount of explanation, plot harvesting was one aspect I didn't really have a full grasp on and this really helped me out in understanding how to better analyze when/if I should chop. Keep up the awesome videos!

[@maxjahns9063]

Very nice to have such a series again. I recently wasn‘t really effective anymore. I was a Bit upset about it because I know that I‘m better than this. This series reminds me how to be more efficient and concentrate on my goals.

[@Stymfalide]

A nice, long, relaxing hic sunt dracones will sort you right out, PMcW!

[@TheArkannon]

"I'm not feeling too boxed in at the moment" Me, reading the title: Oh no

[@elimayerson8206]

That was the greatest intro I've ever seen, I have to say

[@alantremonti1381]

Just needed a star wipe.

[@nathanskeen5865]

That looks like a really nice Panama Canal area...... maybe the first time I’d ever have seen it in real use if you build it

[@LAZERAK47V2]

This spawn is why I hate Civ VI’s spawning system. Every time you try for a water map, the game seems to spawn other empires right next to you.

[@Elitexemnas]

Hey Potato. I was watching another video of yours where someone mentions that we get a free sub on twitch with amazon prime so I just went over and coughed up some bezos bucks for you. I like the semi-overexplained content as I try to get better with Civ 6. Appreciate you buddy

[@EchoingHorror]

Plays on high sea level -> no room to expand

[@EchoingHorror]

@Potato I'm going to spam you to play as Norway and only pillage your own cities in Dramatic Ages until you do it

[@BlutoLongneck]

I think this video shows that restartitis is a thing of the past! I would've started over on this map, no doubt, but from now on I will look more carefully what the map actually offer you. I'm surprised, when I saw this start: Oh no!.. and Potato turns it over to almost OP start. :) I would get Liang and spam fisheries wherever i can. Food is win.

[@Lou-Mae]

Have you noticed much difference with the AI so far? The trade and spy stuff took me a little getting used to.

[@twistedfatesf]

Star position: legedary For potatoMcWhiskey: someshithole