Building a 427ci Pump Gas Small Block for Ultimate Street Domination - Engine Power S11, E15/16

[@TheFogLakeshore]

The SPC block is the greatest thing Summit has done for a while. At $2099, I don't even work for Summit and I'll advertise the 11/2024 price for them. I hope Brian is right about an 8.2 Windsor. What the world needs is this awesome SPC block in a Ford 8.2 at the same price. This block is the best aftermarket SBC that is currently visibly available. It is *clearly* meant to last 300,000 miles if you want to have another old 210hp farm truck. The Summit engineering/marketing team deserves huge credit, as well as Summit's management and stakeholders. I hope Summit gets huge returns on this awesome episode. Pat and Frankie pulled out the stops to demonstrate all that his block is capable of. If Summit had made it any 'stronger', you would start *losing* options. Summit, this is the best-positioned aftermarket block I've ever seen. Your Ford 8.2 is going to change the game. And that Dart 2JZ is just ultra-exciting. That thing is ridiculous. It's a great new world! I literally have those valve covers in my Summit cart right now with *that* block.

[@TheFogLakeshore]

I'd also like to point out that Holley offers the perfect-solution Hi-Ram for the SBF 8.2/9.5 and the LS . The SBC is the King of aftermarket, but the SBF is imo the simplest motor to take all the way out with tech. I think the SBF is actually the most vanilla of all worth-it engine blueprints and I think Holley does too. And that makes the 8.2 deck height Ford The One.

[@jeremymyers5643]

Not a summit block, it's a blueprint block. If that even matters.

[@bradleyborrowman2115]

That’s an insanely good price for what it is wow

[@brianbloom1799]

I have been Priming engines since 14 years old back in 1973, All I did was cut a distributor and hookup a drill, Still use the same one today,

[@BCars_Garage]

A RELIABLE 600 hp 7000 rpm SBC is a win everytime

[@Bbbbad724]

@@BCars_Garage I would love a 4.125 bore FE block. It would be 1966 again. The FE blocks are controlled by one person and he controls availability and price. They are twice what they should be. I just want a poor guy option. A $2800 428 block. Not a 1000 hp one, a 700 hp CJ. The Windsor doesn’t belong in Cobras. Or in Sportsman cars. The FE vs the SBC is classic. Please don’t kill the FE🙏

[@RacingRon47]

SBF’s were in cobras before FE’s, so that’s ridiculous to say that. Il take a cobra with a 600 hp 427 Windsor over a 600 hp 427 FE anyday of the week

[@Bbbbad724]

@@RacingRon47 I disagree. The 8.2 deck 289 was in the Cobra first. The 351 W was never in the Cobra from Ford. I think that the FE is a truly great engine. The 390 can make 1.5 hp per ci for as long as you want, and you must maintain any engine. What is your point? If you like the W then have fun. But it was never part of the “ Total Performance “ era. It is the cheap option now and they can be capably built. But I will always choose the FE on principle and from the great power that they still make. Can you deny this legitimately? I can’t. The FE, 50s and 60s The 289 302,60s. The tall deck 351s- 400s were held down by emissions. The 429-460, a great engine but they were very heavy and the exhaust was restricted for emissions. My opinion, and you are free to yours. The 289 was replaced with the FE for some reason. Was it the hours on a computerized simulation of LeMans every upshift and downshift, fixing every failure point that trickled down to regular FEs ?

[@terryeustice5399]

TMI there’s no body has this much equipment and layman that could DYI . I respect the knowledge and the skill. You men have. Thanks for sharing this information. 💯👊👍

[@dontworryaboutit1]

While I would imagine none of the viewers have a sunnen hone in their shop everything is pretty doable. If you're gonna hotrod you need to have a machine shop you trust anyways.

[@RyanMcIntyre]

Aside from the machining equipment, I didn't see any specialized tools that any normal mechanic wouldn't have. If you don't have at least that many tools, stay out of building engines.

[@Modine.]

Did anyone notice the drawn on pocket full of pens on Frankie's paint suit? 😂

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

9:30

[@davidblalock9945]

Pins 📌 or pens 🖊️

[@petebrown9187]

Rumour has it he gains an extra pocket pen every episode 😂😂

[@Modine.]

@davidblalock9945 fixed 🤭

[@mitchellholroyd2837]

No I missed that

[@jeepinforfun]

I think a badass engine should be painted anything but baby blue.😄 Great episode and nice results using this Summit Racing block.

[@ThePaulv12]

Pink then?

[@CBECK73]

I love i mean i love this build . Prefect small block for anything. I like the color too! Out of the park home run.

[@bradjones2480]

I stumbled onto this vid. As an aftermarket race component mfg, my hats off to you gents for actually knowing what you are doing, and not spouting nonsense. I realize you gotta get those sponsor drops in there, but good info on some things that many backyard guys ignore, and it costs them. A big key to a long life engine is the details that are practically free.

[@bradleyborrowman2115]

I love that I’ve been a powernation fan long enough to see how far Frankie has come since he first came to work with you guys, he’s turned into a very knowledgeable and very professional guy! Go Frankie!

[@scottm7341]

I think this is your best episode. Thanks for the rod clearance tip. I have wasted a bunch of time over the years putting every rod in place to mark the block!

[@jims2286]

Love your videos, and your balance job is plenty close for a street engine turning that RPM. Thanks for your hard work Jim

[@heshtesh]

I know when my friend built my engine the first thing he pointed out was it was balanced to zero. He seemed proud of that fact.

[@thomasward4505]

Frankie does a very good job and looks professional, give him a raise

[@redneckrevolt1]

I love watching qualified mechanics!

[@colekitten1367]

Same I learn so much

[@danmyers9372]

Then why do you watch this guys? They are nothing but advertising shills. Their videos are just long infomercials.

[@tommyvan4609]

Thank you for making such great gear head content! I love it!

[@royb.1441]

I have a friend that is 30 years older than me. He always has a pocket full of bad ass writing utensils. Was a career air force guy and tells the BEST story's.

[@brucebehnke3227]

That should fit nice in my motorhome ! 😂😂

[@brendan325]

Definitely my fav powernation episodes. Great tech tips as always. Has helped me build my engine by myself. Thanks guys. 👍😁

[@mikelovin7]

SBC Forever! 👍🏻

[@cuzz63]

Got to love that the aftermarket is still supporting SBC platform.

[@NAVYABHAN]

Every time I look at your show, the Theme of catering to builds that the average guy like me can do with ordinary tools gives your viewers hope. I am an old garage engine builder from the late 60’s through the late 70’s. My favorite engine was the small block 327❤️😈I am 68, yet you make me think of my last car (68 Nova SS) with a Hurst Shifter, etc. I do have future intentions of building another Old School Muscle Car. My biggest problem realistically is that I will drive any vehicle the way it was meant to be 😈DRIVEN😈🔥😈🤗🤯

[@autonomous_collective]

SUMMIT needs to design the block to accept ARP bolts. SO simple!

[@racerd9669]

And they need to move the threads to the bottom of the cylinders, like the lS engine.

[@choff6057]

Great video! I love watching these, but I was working my way through the parts list, and I lost consciousness somewhere around $12,800.00.

[@meyaht]

I got 14.1k total before shipping

[@taylorh3930]

​@@meyahtWell $14000 US dollars comes out to about $19700 for us up here in Canada before shipping duty fees and any maching work 😔😥 Just cheaper for me to turbo a 5.3 and be done 🤷

[@cw1824]

Not surprised at all. ALL NEW aftermarket parts. Solid,reliable 600 hp. It takes money. Our shop built a 630 hp circle track engine for 18k.

[@fastec5]

You can buy a BluePrint crate 427 SBC for 9k or even a Skip White or Shafiroff 427 for 12k.

[@choff6057]

@@meyaht free shipping from Summit 😊

[@jamesberdine8574]

Like the pens on Frankie’s painting suit.

[@1990smitch]

Pats taught him well 😂😂😂

[@Sunspot-19]

Takes a fine sense of humor for things like that!!

[@Scrildo1]

Totally digging the mechanic bandage on your finger electrical tape and paper towel or toilet paper. Hopefully you took it all the way and applied superglue to your boo boo 😂

[@flinch622]

Two interesting things. First, block oiling is like dart: [priority] main galley, then drivers lifter galley, then the passenger side lifter galley presses up. I think this may be a good candidate for a prelube pump [don't forget the check valve or an interlock to disable cranking]. Second, the LS pattern won't solve the two plane crank dilemna: a pair of cylinders on each side is firing 90 degrees from each other, which makes equal length primaries on headers a mistake. What it can solve... is control options where coil packs are used - lots of LS stuff out there, and interesting move by Summit. Take a typical ecm, tweak fuel curve [or in this case of carburetion, other options need flipping] and you're running.

[@faustthehammer8706]

I do think the ls firing order is stupid it only keeps the center 4 from the crank hitting the ground it isn't about cylinder to cylinder a/f distribution

[@kelvinhayes4177]

Frank is a very smart man on motor.

[@thomasward4505]

And I would suggest to Summit to pre-clearance that block from the factory when you buy it

[@TimothyPratt-c8u]

Love all the content. You always ask for suggestions on a new engine project. You have done several Ford engines. I would like to see the forgotten Ford v8, 400m.

[@redcatxb125]

would love to see you do a build with one of those dart 2jz blocks!

[@greggc8088]

Really enjoyed the tech info mixed in with you promoting your sponsors.

[@davegt27]

I find my self stopping the vid to look for Pocket protectors for our two engine wranglers, a pen style flash light that uses AAAA batteries would be a nice addition😁

[@BWGPEI]

Sweet build and such a fun set of numbers. You guys rock!

[@petebrown9187]

Rumour has it, Pat gains an extra pen for his top pocket every episode 😂😂

[@roostingthe6520]

Man frankie has the pocket full of stuff now too. There must be a bonus check from production for this pocket full of stuff.

[@cavindent6973]

Got to love all the KZbin mechanics in the comments

[@1990smitch]

Yet here you are knowing the difference

[@mikelovin7]

And don't forget the Ford Fanboys crying 🤣

[@Harley.Davidson]

​@@mikelovin7 😂

[@frostywelder1220]

😂😂😂

[@jebstuart1323]

​@@mikelovin7We have the stroked Windsor. Nobody is crying.

[@teddymullins3706]

I know you probably won't but boy wouldn't this be a good giveaway Engine!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jlunde35]

So interesting that you have a modern engine with an old school carburetor. Nice work guys. Thanks.

[@CBECK73]

Its based on a old school 400 cu block . So why not a carb

[@faustthehammer8706]

It's a 1970 400 with wonderful updates in the 70s they had 160 horses haha

[@KingJT80]

nothing modern about a 60+ year old design. just a few tweaks thats all

[@sonnydemichele4903]

I'm one of the younger generation that still knows how to work on carburetors I'm 37 but my first car at 16 was a 1985 trans am!

[@patrickmoore1017]

These boys are as sharp as they come.

[@KH102695]

Awesome build!!

[@n8r8ts41]

I love the idea, but I couldn't help but notice the one and only thing you have to do to get it ready to build is the bore. Oh, AND grinding rod bolt clearances on EVERY cylinder. Seems like that can easily be machined before to at least capture some setups not needing a second step before building + an additional cleaning step.... 😅

[@KingJT80]

thats only IF you need to. if this was a 3.75 crank none of this would need to be done you want the big dog cubic inches in a stock height small block past a 3.75 crank? youre gonna have to notch the block. thats a long arm....

[@Sergeantgrunt]

That blue is a little light for the 70 Trans Am, but I'll overlook that so I can slap that in the engine bay.

[@colekitten1367]

Love the tech tips guys keep ‘‘em coming

[@JohnDoan-iu7sm]

Wow Pat expensive is a understatement. I paused and went and priced the 625+ really quick. Buy once cry once I suppose. Thanks for the informative videos I just wish I had a eidetic memory

[@ivogiev]

Great project and content-thank you for sharing. I have a questio though- how about the break-in procedure? Are you really putting regular synthetic oil and rip it on first start or you use mineral/break-in oil for a few gradual pulls in the rpm and then fill the synthetic and rev it all the way?

[@oldfatandtired6406]

I do enjoy your show. The interaction between Pat and Frankie feels genuine and real, which makes the show so good. But I must voice my displeasure of the choice in color of the engine. It brings a tear to my aging eye, that a Chevy engine not being painted "Chevy Orange" . It tears open my 50 plus year old motor head soul. Maybe I am just getting old. Perhaps Pat could offer some advice in this?

[@middleclassthrash]

Why don't brand new blocks have the rod bolt clearances blocked-out in the first place?

[@SR-yp3eg]

Pan gasket wasn’t notched in the video.Considering the rod bolts were touching the rail,the oil pump might enjoy ingesting the rubber gasket and feeding it to the oiling system 👌

[@Davespackey]

Because they went with a longer stroke.. you could use the correct crank and rods and it would all fit with no machine work..

[@tmoney3457]

Just run it the bolt will make room for itself

[@bretta3]

Wow, another small block Chevy, another American V8. This is all very interesting but there’s a lot of other great engines out there that you guys could build and Americans would be interested in watching, but you never do that. Here’s some of the other engines. You could build a Subaru flat four, a 2jz, Honda k20 and k24, an RB, an L28… I would be eager to watch these engine builds.

[@KingJT80]

im sure they'll do one with that 2JZ dart block

[@vickypratamaputra4363]

Chevrolet Small Engine Block 427

[@levistoner]

I remember Hot Rod magazine had a SBC vs BBC showdown. Both 427ci. Obviously the BBC had a much flatter torque curve but the SBC had decent peak power numbers, just had to spin it up to 7K to get there. I think they built both engines with Edelbrock intakes, carbs, heads, and cams.

[@LetGaiaLive]

Love the electrical insulation tape band aid 🤣

[@a.k.a.A.E.1]

What a crazy finish ! Thats the same power than a L88 427 or a 427 SOHC Big Block !

[@TheFelipeaugustopixo]

How to use a caliper as a scribe tool an screw it

[@davidchristian2071]

Great build video as always 👏 👌 👍 but baby 👶 blue?

[@markhuffstetler9009]

This was a great motor to build is this a giveaway , this would be great to replace it with the old 350 4 barrel Buick motor in my 1972 Skylark custom . With my 4L60 E Trans, it would make Betsy move on down the road. Let know ! Frankie and Pat make a good pair.

[@cajunroadwarrior]

It's nice to have some alternatives to Motown and Dart blocks that are more affordable. I would love to see some comparisons to these blocks. I have a Dart SHP 427 in my Vette and it makes 550hp. The biggest difference here is the heads and cam vs my setup. I use the DART Pro1 215 heads and a howards cam with a .545/294 in 565/300 ex. The Dart block is over $4000.00 and the Motown race block is $4728.00. With a $2100.00 price point the Summit block can save money that can be used for other go fast parts. I heard the SHP blocks have an issue with hydraulic lifter oiling. I already had one lifter fail on my engine. Howards doesn't know what could have caused it.

[@LyfeisByke]

Dang, never seen 87 different assembly lubes used in one video before!

[@huddy32]

Baby blue 427? This is like when ufc fighters wear pink.. I love it

[@ridingdirty8897]

That baby blue engine just busted everyone's ass!

[@genedowen9183]

I love the parts list - but how about a list price spreadsheet? That would immediately let people know if they can pull this off noting they would need to pay for the machining.

[@frankburn6312]

10k+

[@ScramblerGuy]

I have been thinking of a SBC 427 or a 426 Magnum for my Scrambler build. I like the job you guys do BUT! Not everyone is always looking to rev to the moon. I would like to seen the Dyno RPM's start out at 1,000. That way I can see the kind of power these engines make in a more usable spot for my type of application. Maybe build one of these for the most torque you could squeeze out of one. Or what kind of parts would be needed for that. Thanks, and have a great day.

[@TheFogLakeshore]

The AFR 195s are what I have in my dream cart, even at 383 they're going to run so good off the line for near-stock converter with bigger torque. Should stall great off-road, and a 427 would be ridiculously low stall. These engines need to lug at 1k RPM for what I want to do, and they need good oil pressure. It would be nice if one dyno run was about smooth run in from off-idle.

[@KingJT80]

a 427 like this with 230cc heads isnt gonna be something that you wanna pull starting at 1000 RPM the stall on this would AT LEAST be 3500 RPM so thats pointless. id say build a 400 stock block with an air gap intake and small aluminum heads and thats what you're looking for.

[@TheFogLakeshore]

@@KingJT80 nah big displacement small heads is a thing. These heads are small for seven l

[@KingJT80]

@@TheFogLakeshore a 230CC head isn't small for a pump gas 427 turning that type of RPM. a 7000 RPM small block is street small block any bigger and you'll need a solid roller more compression and race gas. there's no need for 18 degree heads or heads bigger than 230CC on a 427 street small block unless its really big i.e. bigger than 440 CID ..its just wasting money

[@Chad-x5n]

They/Them approve the color😂

[@johnelliott7375]

Looking like the plug wires were touching the headers and might burn ❤️‍🔥 them up 37:32

[@dudleybaggerman9574]

I got a 73 GMC stepside with one tons that ive had since 77 with a 350 with over 540, 000 miles and Still running well 👍 since i was a kid i allways wanted a 427 , but Now a SB427 or as i call it a LL88 🤔 , yes a little L88 427 👍 if ur needing a place fer that LL88😅 MY Pickup could use a update 👍👍

[@chuuwieee]

It would be nice if dart machinery also did australian inline 6 Ford barra, nissan RB26/sr20, and mitsubishi's 4g63.

[@mikellewis2346]

I could see the rb an Sr maybe since there so popular an harder to get now. But not a big market looking for Barra or 4g63. That's in my area an my experience watching what people want an need the most.

[@TheAaronmh]

When you say "pump gas". Is it safe to assume you mean high test? This wasn't a big deal years ago when super was only 20 cents more. I would love to see what you could come up with that'll run on the 87 octane crap.

[@KingJT80]

they mean 91-93 octance depending on the state. in WA it would be 91

[@thomasregan5079]

I don’t know if I’m splitting hairs or not but wouldn’t painting the machined surface change the deck height? I’m sure it doesn’t matter too much on a street motor but could that be a problem for a high performance motor? 8:38

[@jamesmikesell5458]

I would like to see a bloopers episode. Of engines blowing up

[@anthonyholleran9378]

Please! Do an MK4 Supra Build! PLEASE! That would be "Supra Super!"

[@4speed3pedals]

I would prime the block before painting with engine enamel with red oxide epoxy primer.

[@CristianoFénix-z4b]

Pat dressed up as Vin Diesel while they build a 2JZ is must watch content.

[@1990smitch]

Would love to see a 1550hp built on here out of that JZ

[@kimmorrison9169]

Jeez, its like an ARP advertisement!

[@krtacct]

better than paying for ARP

[@gearhead7896]

Instead of using the oem spider, dog bones, and LS7 lifters we opted to spend triple and get the $650 tie bar lifters!

[@frankburn6312]

I know right? Block is already setup for them.

[@ElaineCottrell-u2e]

Awesome 👍

[@diemaschine2287]

500 HP on a what $15,000 fully built custom motor with a specially made boat anchor cast iron block that weighs 175 lbs by itself. $2300 + tax and shipping for a bare block that you still have to throw another 2k easy in machine work to get it to fit at crazy machine shop rates. So basically min $3500 if you get great rate at a shop just into the bare block ready for assembly. Then the internals are probably 1500-2000 heads another $2500. Intake and ignition another 2K. For that money you can get a fully built NA K24 making 350+ HP at a fraction of the weight that would run circles around any boat you throw that anchor into. This is why the classes are divided because $ for $ you cannot compete with power to weight ratios outside of full pro mod drags where the 4 bangers are catching up with Carl Brunets 5.8 in the 2023 World Cup. Look I’m not bashing v8’s here they sound way better look better but when you decided to throw a jab at them expect punches coming back.

[@anvilranch1888]

Would love to see you guys do a collaboration with Richard Holdener.

[@johnelliott7375]

Pat is running like a computer and the eyes are showing it. Processing the #'s like a calculator.

[@rickseeman5679]

At the beginning you showed us your profilometer and said you were going to show how to get the hone job we need. Well I sat through the whole 41 minutes and you never told us what Rvk, Rk, and Ra you were looking for or what you got. Can you give us some numbers? I did a Summit SBC last week and the torque plate only moved it .0002”. That’s ties the record at my place. Go Summit!

[@trrond]

I guess these guys really likes their pens.....

[@innsanewayne]

Not all pens, different tools.

[@bigboreracing356]

Why are you being critical of pens?😆🤣

[@trrond]

@@bigboreracing356 Guess I´m just jealous, because I always loose mine...

[@bigboreracing356]

@@trrond They found your pens😆🤣😆

[@trrond]

@@bigboreracing356 I didn´t know that I had so many pens... 🤣🤣

[@sawfiler1958]

With the two middle exhaust ports being size by side wouldn't there be an overheating issue?

[@lars277]

When you say pump gas, should I assume you mean 91-93 octane premium?

[@cw1824]

yes

[@tscustomstation]

Don't forget to trim the oil pan gasket as well

[@jacobnorth8642]

So this needs retrofit lifters even with option for one piece rear?? Not sure liking what see, stick with my L31 builds for cheap...

[@frankburn6312]

They chose to use retrofit. You can clearly see it’s setup like a vortec block.

[@mikecondoluci53]

very nice build, wish i could afford to build one ...............

[@shanerorko8076]

I swear these two guys must dock.

[@salvatoregiovanni8967]

I don’t understand what you mean by “dock?” And it looks like nobody else does either.

[@Chevys_5593]

Did you guys have any clearance issues between rod to cam lob?

[@Robert-mn8gc]

My 427 cu inch 400 sbc made 640 hp & 620 ft lbs ......20 +++ yrs ago

[@raystevens687]

Hi Pat and Frankie just wanted to let you I tried to look up the Summitt Racing 427 and didn't show that engine I just wanted to know the price of that block the engine I saw was the Blue Print engine brand. Anyway hope you can tell me what I need to do to find out about pricing.

[@awesomusmaximus3766]

I wish you could do more add ball NA engines eg some old school straight eights

[@lollipop84858]

Plenty of total seal was used on the rings..? You know they only instruct and recommend a drop right?

[@LeslieOtwell]

It looks cool guys! Now shove it in a Vega lol

[@unclestevensgarage4145]

Hey Frankie, I love that black tape brother I didn’t get to see what happened to you but me being a mechanic too just like you got a clean up the wound and grab some duct tape or any tape laying around and keep going my wife hates when I do that hates it with a passionor a sandwich with greasy hands yeah she hates that. I told her helps out the digestive track lol

[@jbeam794]

What is the rotating assembly . Cant build the same engine without that info . 😢

[@Aduskett]

Build the 2JZ please.

[@joshr188]

I want this engine. Please give it away! 😂

[@innsanewayne]

You painted that block UNC blue, Carolina Blue.

[@danold6443]

run the thing in with mineral oil! and for lordi....put injection on the thing!!! Go for 750 hp at least!!!!! This aint the 70's!! That donk should make around 800 in this day and age on a friendly dyno! I like the blue. 👍

[@bigboreracing356]

Why are people stew pid.

[@petterandersson7429]

I'm gonna buy some fastners, and I don't even have an engine to rebuild.😅😅😅

[@hawkdsl]

Love bb in sb clothes idea, but they didn't build a "street" engine. The only time my engines got to 6 grand going to work in the morning involved a missed shift with a sneeze. That engine makes 300 hp @ 3700 rpm and 430ish trq. - To get the juice you paid for out of it would draw a significant law enforcement escort with helicopters. I would like to see this built as a real daily driver street engine. Smaller loper cam, fuel injected (TBI), etc. and see the numbers then.

[@jerryvoss3592]

Is that a small base circle cam?

[@LWebber-k7x]

Nice colour girls.