PragerU vs Native Americans

[@ansrfururactions]

"Did the colonists invent slavery?" Did jeffery dhammer invent murder?

[@circleinforthecube5170]

answer: no, but they sure acted like they invented it

[@ThatBoiOnLaythe]

Lmao this argument is so dumb

[@msjkramey]

A type of slavery, yes

[@iminyourhouse68420]

real

[@baranjan6969]

"Did hitler invent fascism" more accurate tbf.

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

"Their patron demon" is a crazy line and perfectly summerizes PUs true opinions on native peoples. I don't think they could have been more clear if they tried.

[@iananderson4754]

I know they make it seem like they were warlocks and conjurors.

[@colleennewholy9026]

​@@iananderson4754 idk . I choose Mage Classes in RPG games 😂😂😂😂 /jk

[@moist_onions]

PU is a great example that the snowstorm never ended. The white famine is still hungry

[@deathstinger13]

why ya gotta slander Demons like that?

[@Alexander-gb4rr]

"Columbus didn't invent slavery" is such a stupid defense. Imagine a drug dealer going to court, and his lawyer saying "My client haven't invented those illegal substances!"

[@ajohnymous5699]

I was thinking something similar when hearing that. Like no, what kind of defense even is that? The first person to do it can be faulted but the second is written off as following a trend? That's not a defense, it's literally "yeah what he did was bad but it's not like we want him to be in trouble for doing something bad."

[@miskatonic_alumni]

​@@ajohnymous5699 Moral relativism is only good when rightwingers are using it to defend tyrants and war criminals.

[@thesingerintheshower]

Lol right ✅️

[@nubgaming5342]

We tasked with defending the indefensible they will regularly bend themselves into a pretzel to come up with excuses.

[@LineOfThy]

you don't get a pass because other people were doing it to

[@JelliinaCup]

Columbus apologists saying "Judge him by the standards of his time." forget that of all people on Earth, Isabella I of Castile (the person who sponsored him) was so horrified by his behavior that she had him dragged back to Spain in shackles, insulted in the streets, and stripped of all titles and assets, meant to be and was forgotten by his time. AND it was not Columbus that said the natives were to be "treated well and fairly" as PragerU claims, THAT WAS HER QUOTE!!! PU straight up lies, period.

[@Sunny-oj8xj]

Could you provide a source for that? I can’t find anything relating to how Isabella felt about Columbus beyond just funding the expedition

[@cass7448]

Also framing past atrocities that way ignores the large numbers of people saying it's not okay - namely, the people whom the atrocities were committed against. It's another layer of dehumanisation of oppressed groups, silencing their voices and discounting their personal agency.

[@ambrielcooley4554]

@JelliinaCup I always hear that fact, but then I wonder why he was released a few weeks after. And given another voyage just without the governor position. Who let him go? And did the people they replace him with make it better?

[@clementpoon120]

@@ambrielcooley4554 apparently columbus and his sons filed some lawsuits

[@podemosurss8316]

@@Sunny-oj8xj There are many Spanish sources about Isabella (Isabel I, or "Isabel la Católica"), specifically about the "Capitulaciones de Santa Fe" (Contract of Santa Fe), which was the contract in which she hired Columbus in April 1492, and the "Cartas de Privilegio" (Letters of Priviledge), which further defined the terms of the contract. There were also the "Pleitos Colombinos" (Columbine Lawsuits) over this issue, nullifying those terms due to Columbus not having done his part of the deal. The first of them specifically involved this issue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitulations_of_Santa_Fe en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleitos_colombinos

[@soupy_cat]

PragerU's own "normalized = cannot criticize" argument can be used against them. By that logic, the "baby eating" (not) done by natives is fine because it was normal for the time period.

[@Hbr_ed]

Excellent.

[@BeantheGerridae]

3:07 "we draw the line at eating people, or human sacrifice" European people were still eating mummies

[@hmnhntr]

Also their entire religion is based on a human sacrifice- Christ And the ritualistic consumption of his flesh and blood. Which some denominations view as a literal miracle- transubstantiation. Not to mention things like the Witch Trials, which arguably are just human sacrifice in another form: "Bad things are happening! We must kill the people that are angering God!"

[@Rustylorde]

i keep forgetting that this was a thing. why was this a thing????? (edit, the mummy eating thing. to this day it makes no sense to me)

[@BeantheGerridae]

@Rustylorde they thought mummies were magic medicine, like snake oil

[@Rustylorde]

@@BeantheGerridae OK, BUT THAT JUST MAKES ME MORE CONFUSED??? at least snake oil came from actual medicine, which was based off of Chinese water snakes. WHO THE FUCK ATE A MUMMY AND GOT RID OF THEIR DISEASE A DAY LATER?????

[@BeantheGerridae]

@Rustylorde they also made paint

[@roarinfireball]

PragerU: The white man taught Indians how to plant crops, after destroying the Indian’s crops.

[@ek0dev]

That reminds me of the "pranks" where people cut the wire of someone's ear buds and then give them airpods or something.

[@N8Dawgg314]

And not just re-taught, but taught worse. No planting crops where they already grew, no co-planting to maximize not only space but also to benefit the crops themselves....nope first gotta clear cut this forest so we have room to use beasts of burden to plow the land to so we can MAYBE get enough food to break even on the work it takes to get the food in the first place.

[@nikogarcia201]

And even that was false. In Canada, the Iroquoiens already knew how to cultivate the land long before the French and the English arrived. It’s one of the reasons of the superiority in war against their rivals since they could produce more food for their troop unlike those limited to hunting.

[@roarinfireball]

@ No, I getcha. I’m just regurgitating the same uneducated bullsh*t that media outlets like PragerU say. I’m Indian myself, and it irritates me how in the 21st century; we’re still having the “savage society” debate.

[@nikogarcia201]

@@roarinfireball Fun fact, the natives that did practiced agriculture were actually more efficient in their techniques than the Europeans. And many vegetables were originally from them like the gourd and corn. As a Canadian, I hate how natives culture and contributions in history is so often overlooked.

[@blep8895]

I got a motherfucking PraugerU ad on this video

[@FelgoTheMighty]

We've been compromised!

[@AdrianAnema-f2n]

"He could be anyone of us"

[@chansfeet2500]

I got a Dailywire ad for "Am I racist" by Matt Walsh on this video 💀

[@strangejune]

​@@chansfeet2500does that guy really need a youtube ad campaign to answer that question

[@chansfeet2500]

@@strangejune "Is Matt Walsh racist" is no different than asking "Do birds have feathers"

[@thendsufi]

The Conquistadors “stopped human sacrifice” by PERFORMING human sacrifice!!!

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Yeah, I always found that line of logic strange with colonial apologists. Especially since Christianity and Catholicism is technically a religion that celebrates blood sacrifice, with the whole Jesus on the cross thing (among other verses). Like, some random group of people sail in, claims that they witnessed people committing human sacrifice, and then proceeds to genocide them. Something ain't adding up 🤔

[@LordDane1986]

Not to mention this is a guy who kneels for the cross... you know, a fetish of human sacrifice. It's what he devotes his entire life to.

[@jakebranch2599]

"I used the stone to destroy the stones"

[@Snow_Bow]

Shhhhhh… you are not supposed to use your critical thinking skills remember

[@Axolautism]

No no, see, when they do it it's pointless human sacrifice to their fake gods (demons) and when we do it it's a necessary evil to spread the word of our real God /j tone indicating because idk what the cons will and won't say anymore

[@princesspupcake1269]

It always just boils down to "Well they were savages, so anything we did to them is fair game." at the end of the day.

[@robertsandlin366]

The consequences of not being open to knowing what others did is the inherent problem of not knowing what you are. This means that Europeans now have the disease of stupidity, and I congratulate them on being worse.

[@WallebyDamned]

PragerU's UwUification of Columbus is some fucked up shit

[@WallebyDamned]

PragerUwUification Okay I'm done

[@robertsandlin366]

@@WallebyDamned This assumes that Europeans could ever be like Japan. No, because they are stupid.

[@tempestvenator9809]

Yeah, even my conservative mother despises Columbus. Granted we are of Native American and Mexican ancestry so that does contribute a bit to why we don't like the Italian who may or may not have actually been Portuguese.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

"Babies were a delicacy" - cannibalism is either ritual, an act of desperation, or threatened but not practiced as a form of psychological warfare. The closest anyone has ever come to the sort of casual cannibalism used to justify colonialism was, ironically, the English, specifically of African civilizations they colonized!

[@bak1929]

Omg i almost forgot about the whole mummy thing 💀 but I guess it's not actually bad because it's civilised white people of course

[@nenafan1]

Wait, what now??

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

@nenafan1 eating Egyptian mummies and using Congolese POWs for rations

[@nenafan1]

@@notoriouswhitemoth Forgot about the mummies. Not familiar with the other incident, though. Which conflict was that?

[@seekingabsolution1907]

​@@nenafan1american slavers ate the people they enslaved sometimes.

[@zugetzuzu]

In school (Sweden) I was taught that indigenous people almost exclusively died by disease as well, however we were taught that the settlers intentionally gave away items which were heavily contaminated with some of the worst diseases present in Europe to intentionally cull the indigenous population

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

In several regions of the US, there were bounties on the scalps of indigenous people (including women and children) paid by local governments to individuals.

[@Ose-here]

don't forget those dieases also happened to involved the black plague.

[@HolderofPlaces]

The part where they deny the genocide feels so freaking dystopian. And the fact that there's one happening now and it's _also_ being denied, yikes.

[@SpeedyShimeji]

The final step of genocide is denial

[@ClownHoundII]

I remember when I was a little kid, I was taught the Natives Americas got along with the Pilgrims and just disappeared, leaving the land all to the Pilgrims to tend to. To this day every time I hear that "fact" I can feel my ancestors crying and swearing at that.

[@biyurica]

It's not just one. take a look at xinjiang China

[@FuzDoesStuff]

Crazy how these Conservative Christian types say "Oh muh native american sacrifices ended blah blah blah", meanwhile they sacrifice their kids to the local pastor.

[@whathaveicreated1197]

???

[@jaredenglish4864]

For indoctrination or to be diddied

[@goldengold8513]

@@whathaveicreated1197it’s a reference to many priests being pedophiles, I believe.

[@Terrythetortoise]

​@@whathaveicreated1197 pedo priests I guess

[@verinha0256]

LMAOOOOOO

[@harrynac6017]

Don't forget the mass slaughter of the bisons, the main source of food for the indigenous people.

[@andycampbell8622]

Why do they immediately go to genocide 😅

[@FurTheWorkers]

8:30 Worth noting that the Spanish Inquisition was happening at the same time as Columbus' voyage and those "human sacrifices". How many lives were destroyed for Catholicism in that time? Edit: After finishing the video, I came to a realization: PragerU actually would be an incredibly useful teaching tool in schools, but only if used to teach children how to spot propaganda and to critically think about what they're being taught.

[@lolaaakaypeanutbrittle9213]

I agree with this

[@gn4rpz-the-c4t]

im in full agreement here! id love for a class to focus on how to spot propaganda and faulty arguments - i remember i used to try to watch prageru because i wanted to see what they were saying about topics i was interested in, yk to see "both sides" of the "argument" so to speak, but they always made me extremely angry for reasons i was never fully able to identify - a class like that would've been helpful in figuring out what in the world was causing that, because im fairly certain i was picking up on unnaturally high bullshit levels, but as someone who was never reallyyyy taught to engage critically and who has trouble identifying internal shit, its extremely tricky for me to know for sure.

[@Thelastunicornlover]

I agree

[@podemosurss8316]

The best part is that even the guy who introduced the Spanish Inquisition (Cisneros) thought that Columbus' way of treating the natives was too cruel.

[@Eldorado-n9e]

Less than 5000 over a period of 300 years.

[@toomany_bones]

It's actually hard to read about native American treatment, it's really depressing. It makes me so angry hearing them deny it and dehumanise the native Americans like that

[@maxthibodeau3627]

i dont know what you expected, history is written by the victors. ofc they were going to pretend none of that happened.

[@Normel-man]

The children weren’t allowed to speak “Indian” in and out of class for a while and were disciplined when they did and sometimes died from it, they then changed it to let them speak their native language only outside of school buildings, but were still punished sometimes.

[@morbidsearch]

In Norway they didn't ban Sámi in schools until 1959, and a year later they debuted in Eurovision with this really patronising song with lyrics about appreciating Sámi music. Gaslighting queens.

[@Ose-here]

​@@morbidsearchhow were the sámi treated?

[@thewclar_11]

im sorry but, as a mexican, i was taught in MIDDLE SCHOOL the horrors that indigenous groups suffered after spain colonized us, how they were enslaved and killed by the europeans, yes they also tend to teach you about the wars they often had between those groups and the weird traditions, but NEVER took away the blame of the horrible stuff they did. so it honestly surprises me that americans were never taught about it this way, like wtf do u mean "if you went to college", WE KNOW ABOUT IT SINCE ELEMENTARY AND WE KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL!!

[@iexistnt]

that troll costume hit me like a truck

[@Faunadude]

like a stuck

[@SamM1]

like a bathtub full of sharpies

[@Cerealously]

@@SamM1grey sharpies, to be specific

[@XIVs_abyss]

like a truckdog?

[@cornbabylaughter]

real

[@anomalocaris540]

the people burning witches and jews in their inquisitions don't get to complain about human sacrifices

[@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree]

Well that's because they **totally** aren't human sacrifices! They're killings in the name of God! Totally different! Also, don't think too hard on the idea that Christianity revolves around a dude that purposefully let himself get killed.

[@taq154]

The whole point of Christianity is human sacrifice.

[@Eldorado-n9e]

​@@taq154Yeah except it's only, consensual sacrifice by God as an act of love for His creation. It's not the same as killing babies because the rain demon got mad.

[@Eldorado-n9e]

The Hebrews got kicked out, not killed. Witch hunting was very rare in Catholic Europe.

[@anomalocaris540]

@@Eldorado-n9e yhea, except it's estimated that about 3000 to 30000 jews were executed, and about 40000 to 60000 people were executed in witch trials. can't put links here, so at least check Wikipedia. funny that you say that the inquisition wasn't that bad because it only led to ethnic cleansing.

[@Tareltonlives]

Ironically, the Mexicans were very enthusiastic about Christianity because they had the same central belief about death and blood sacrifice being needed to save humanity.

[@ahmicqui9396]

Exactly. "Oh, so your God sacrificed Himself for you and now you eat of His flesh? That's sick, same with ours, let us add this Yexutzin to our tradition!" Not that there was no opposition to forceful conversion though.

[@rowanwalter6306]

To be entirely honest Mexica religion wasn’t too dissimilar to Catholicism. And the most extreme religious practices were exclusively Aztec or triple alliance in origin. Most Mexica cities and states weren’t nearly as brutal as the Aztecs, and their brutality is one of the reasons a large majority of the Mexica sided with the Spanish when they arrived.

[@ahmicqui9396]

@@rowanwalter6306 No, the practices of the Triple Alliance were not any more brutal than those of its neighbours. Neither was it the reason some people sided with the Spanish. Probably the most shocking method of sacrifice to modern-day people is flaying. Flaying was most common in West Mexico, just like decapitation (there's an entire "valley of throat cutters" there!)

[@Tareltonlives]

@@rowanwalter6306 Well, heart sacrifice and other blood sacrifice is much older than the Aztecs. It's just that the Aztecs were more successful militarily. It's like saying Denmark isn't as horrific in history as Spain. The Aztecs WERE a bit more intense due to Huitzilopotchli in particular, which might have started as a chicimec god from the north or simply been a very minor god previously. Other violent gods like Xipe Toltec, Tlaloc and Tezcatlipoca predate the Aztec by at least 300 years, sometimes thousands of years older. But it was the elevation of Huitzilopotchtli that made the Aztecs bloodier. The real question is did they adopt this carnage due to desperate circumstances, or did they survive because they always had this violence . Like the Assyrians and Romans, we may never know.

[@tempestvenator9809]

@@Tareltonlives Yeah, that's another thing we need to think of. Huitzilopotchli was pretty much the Mexica equivalent of Ares or Mars when you think about it. I think comparing the Aztecs to the Romans is a very apt comparison, since they were pretty much the biggest empires of their time on their side of the world. I honestly think one could make multiple parallels between the two.

[@DukeLagoon]

Calling natives cannibals is really funny to me because Christian’s symbolically eat the blood and body of Jesus during communion.

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

Not to mention the long history of European cannibalism.

[@tempestvenator9809]

Ironically, it's the same accusations that Protestants throw at Catholics regarding the Eucharist and Transubstantiation. Which is not that surprising since it's usually Protestants throwing this shit around.

[@Ose-here]

​@@IvanIvanoIvanovich you can easily use colonizer logic on europeans to twist them as being backwards. cannibalism due to desperation? just take those few accounts, and assume europeans have a cannibal culture.

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

@@Ose-here Nope, I was referring to the widespread and long-standing tradition of medicinal cannibalism that persisted in Europe into the late 19th Century. If you're not familiar, do some reading on the subject.

[@snakeygirl4296]

@@Ose-hereexactly. There are multiple cases where physical evidence has been found of Europeans committing acts of cannibalism IN THE AMERICAS! Sure, almost all of these were cases where people were starving to death but at least we have physical evidence that this occurred, something we haven’t been able to find in most of the so called “cannibal tribes” in North America.

[@rainbowmothraleo]

8:20 - if they defend slavery this way, why don't they say "well, everyone did human sacrifices back then"

[@vladimirkovacevic4415]

Imagine if Nazis won ww2 and people made videos like this about the Slavs

[@KAW-69]

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING

[@slamwall9057]

Nah, 100 million deaths over 400 years is nothing compared to 40 million deaths in 12 years

[@bitarctic4859]

was not expecting the homestuck cosplay hit me like a flashbang edit: banger as usual doki, costume is sick

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

Same =XD Should've tho tbh cuz they censor evrythin w/ Nepeta.

[@DontMockMySmock]

i laughed really hard at "patron demon" prager u believes in dungeons and dragons's warlocks

[@SamanthaLaurier]

Was not expecting DDD to dress up as Meulin of all people.

[@DokiDokiDiscourse]

i felt like the signs were there tbh

[@boofy1347]

​@@DokiDokiDiscourse thank you for your content homestuck person

[@princekyle4132]

I think I’ve seen your pfp on Discoed before

[@SamanthaLaurier]

@princekyle4132 Entirely possible, I did use this pic on Discord though I no longer have that account

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

SBaHJ is the only element of Homestuck worth remembering or mentioning.

[@ToxiKid]

Hey doki on the topic of indigenous people could you do a video on Canada's genocide of the indigenous populations like the residential schools, etc

[@DokiDokiDiscourse]

i got a few things in the works rn but i'll toss that onto the idea list

[@ToxiKid]

Thx bud, really appreciate it

[@ToxiKid]

I just think it's important as a lot of so called "leftists" think canada is a progressive utopia cuz "less guns free healthcare and legal weed" which are obviously good things but there is still a far far way to go

[@iananderson4754]

​@ToxiKid I never thought it was. Ever seen Trudeau? That guy is racist.

[@ClownHoundII]

​@@ToxiKidYeah Candan is a good start, but not a perfect place. Healthcare is nice but only if it can be given to all including the indigenous folks that live there. Crazy that is a legit debate to had.

[@love_hw4ng11]

As a Christian person, I fucking hate PragerU. I haven’t even watched the video, but the comments are saying something.

[@rowanwalter6306]

Ong

[@tempestvenator9809]

As a fellow Christian, I REALLY want Dennis to stfu. I don't even know what to properly describe him as. He's that one guy who claims to be on your side, who does stuff that ends up making your side look ultra unappealing, and you're just screaming at them going "SHUT UP YOU IDIOT!!!!" If I could find his counterpart among the liberals (the so called ally who ends up making everything worse), I'd say.......... whoever those idiots are who claim to be doing stuff in the name of the LGBTQ+ movement that even the community wants to shut up because its making them look bad. Also, that one trans-woman who flashed their fabric stretchers at a CHILDREN'S EVENT at the White House who was told off by just about everyone left and right.

[@majormissile5596]

I honestly find showing how policy affects the Native American communities is the most effective way to convince conservatives. They'd have to drop the respect they (sometimes legitimately but mosty pretend to) have for them if they were convinced a particular policy was bad for them.

[@ollieoxenfree6317]

Dont tell the colonisation apologist what the Catholic church did to women who could do math

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

They probably know anyway and think it's cool.

[@podemosurss8316]

The Protestant Church. The Catholic Church doesn't belive in Witchcraft.

[@taliakelly554]

They probably don't think women should be able to do math

[@madeofmandrake1748]

​@@podemosurss8316Looked it up; of all the witch hunts that happened during the middle ages, the most severe ones happened in Germany, which was still part of the Holy Roman Empire (catholic). Spain and Portugal had some too, but they would call you a heretic before calling you a witch. Protestant Scotland had some too. It's just a Christian thing, there is no separation.

[@abiliv-lf9tz]

@podemosurss8316 I find that doubtful

[@iremuc4045]

fire costume

[@torreywhiting5402]

I never wanna see it again (compliment)

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

I luv Homestuck. (OmgMeulincozplay)

[@Julies-Pet]

9:56 I'm currently studying post-colonial discourses of the American colonialization in the Philippines. Americans claim to have brought education and democracy, but the Spanish were already giving education, although only to the rich or influential as it was a caste system based on race. But at the heart of their goal to educate, they still just wanted another colony. They taught native filipino children American folksongs and stories rather than the indigenous stories and songs of each region. If the Americans really did want to bring education, they would have pushed for teaching in the native language like the spanish friars before, however they ONLY used english as a medium of instruction. Which of course didnt catch on like they hoped it would. But for the quality of education, I think prageru would probably consider their teachings very helpful and dont see a problem with it. However, it is very clear that they taught filipinos American solutions to american problems. They tried to apply an american systems onto a country that is divided by seas and mountains. When in reality what the Filipinos really needed were local solutions to local problems. Its basically like pitting Philosophy and Agriculture against each other kinda if that analogy makes sense.

[@Julies-Pet]

Eventually this led to those problems taking effect now instead of being focused on decades ago. Renato Constantino is right when he says that the filipino culture is synthetic, that the culture now wouldn't have been what it is without colonization

[@Scoottheboot670]

I got an ad from the daily wire during this video for Matt Walsh's am I racist "documentary" 😭

[@kregorovillupo3625]

That isn't a documentary, it has to be a short: how long can one take to say "yes".

[@MitchCieminski]

I'm pretty sure it's actually titled "I Am Racist"

[@ClownHoundII]

​@@MitchCieminski God if only he was that aware. Yet he thinks teaching racism is wrong will make white kids learn to "hate their culture and hate their country".

[@ClownHoundII]

​@@kregorovillupo3625The fact he made that documenty while believing anyone of another race or religion talking about their culture is "ruining America" and "forcing ideology down kids throats" is surprising and also not surprising.

[@TheSultonOfTheFuckingWaves]

Laughed out loud when Steven "my wife shouldn't be allowed to devorce me" Crowder showed up.

[@buttonmash2524]

Listening to you explain European exceptionalism and the forcible transfer of indigenous children and the mindset of the time while watching you play around with a frisbee by yourself in a homestuck cosplay at 20:22 is one of the most insane tonal whiplashes I've ever experienced in my life lmao

[@literaterose6731]

I have to commend you for your ability to speak on topics like these in your wonderfully clear and calm manner. I absolutely couldn’t (just listening reduces me to enraged outbursts of “f*** off and [redacted so yt doesn’t yeet comment]”) and really admire your control while dealing with such reprehensible garbage. Well done! One note though: forced sterilization of indigenous North American people didn’t end in the 1970s. It has continued to occur right up to the present day. 😣

[@n0etic_f0x]

Your B roll is always strangely entertaining. It has no reason to be comical but somehow it is.

[@dawgwiddaglasses]

0:48 Compromising the education of their constituents IS their partisan goal.

[@schrodinger1374]

I agree with this vid but there’s one thing I think was slightly misinterpreted about the virgin soil theory (and PragerU did a really bad job explaining it anyways). The theory that claimed indigenous people had weaker immune systems wasn’t based on them having “inferior genes” as you say a few times in the vid but rather a) a more homogenous population (which was mentioned) and b) a lack of close quartered living situations with domesticated animals. As I understand the theory, European cities were breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases due to all of the cows, pigs, and chickens living in unsanitary conditions alongside humans. The only animal indigenous people domesticated were llamas (though do note that this was because the americas’ fauna were just bad candidates, not because indigenous people were incapable of it) so cities packed with animal feces like the Europeans had weren’t really a thing. Edit: I do think the revised theory where the diseases spread among indigenous population were worsened by the stress of colonization is more accurate, but I just wanted to add the context that the og theory wasn’t based on some racist idea that natives were genetically inferior.

[@shloklada8692]

Thanks for the context. I felt like something was a bit off about that section but that makes more sense. Also since you seem knowledgeable on this subject would you say that the higher amounts of interaction across the old world when compared to the new world also contributed to higher amounts of diseases spread to the new world from Europeans? I heard this from school but I want to know if this is propaganda or not. To clarify a bit, the old world had more trade between cultures and that brought diseases from across the continent while the major empires of the new world had very little interaction between eachother. I just want to confirm if this is true or not

[@schrodinger1374]

@ @ the trading across the old world definitely had an effect on how diseases were spread, and thus the immune systems of old world people. As to how the trade routes of the old and new worlds compare I’m not sure. I would like to emphasize that indigenous people had *extensive* trade routes throughout the Americas as it’s a common myth (one that pragerU repeats) that tribes were isolated from each other. Trade routes existed mostly along waterways as canoes were the most efficient way to transport goods, then there’s the Incan roadway system which is probably directly comparable to the roads build by the romans. Don’t quote me on this but I’d hazard a guess old world trade networks were a bit more efficient since they had access to iron wheels, pack animals such as oxen and camels, horses, and the Mediterranean Sea. But that’s only a guess so I’d recommend looking further into it if you’re curious.

[@shloklada8692]

@@schrodinger1374 ok thanks

[@tempestvenator9809]

The revised theory makes a lot of sense. Especially since the Europeans tended to import their living conditions onto the Americas, which would lead to the spread of disease and other stuff.

[@Ose-here]

don't forget that black plague was also some of those diseases that wiped out native populations.

[@arlen_95]

Another great one as always! Seeing PragerU get shredded is my comfort food at this point. They're such reliably disingenuous hacks, you can always find great debunking them. But your videos on par with Shaun's and Zoe B's. Keep up the great work! -Arlen

[@My_Anarchist_Superhero]

As someone who’s half Nahua, thabks!❤

[@Vinqou]

haven't watched the video yet but had to comment about how amazing your costume is lmfao. Looking forward to listening to this, you videos are always very quality :3

[@mrac..]

Saying "Columbus didn't invent slavery" is like saying "Hitler didn't invent genocide"

[@laurencegagniuc4806]

Oh boy, I get to use this great quote (refering to the Aztecs) "they were a people so inhuman and brutal that they found entertainment watching men fight to the death or being eaten alive by animals, they would bury men and women alive or strangle them to death in their sick displays of mass human sacrifice, they even had a holiday where they crucified dogs" I hope that I don't have to explain that the Aztecs did not know what crucifixion was, but the Romans certainly did

[@caelumis3630]

If I had to guess where PragerU got the "Treat them well" bit from, the only Christopher Columbus thing I could think of that has him say that was the 1992 movie "1492: Conquest of Paradise" where Columbus does say things to that effect... which just makes the lie they're telling all the more hilarious in a... fucking depressing way.

[@podemosurss8316]

The "Treat them well" comes from a writing at the time, but not by Columbus: it's from the Leyes de Indias written by Isabella I, and which Columbus was imprisioned for breaking.

[@caelumis3630]

@@podemosurss8316 That just makes Prager's lie even more galling.

[@spinny-kitten]

I love your Meulin cosplay!! anyway, as a born and raised chilean (south american) enby, they teach us at at school about the indigenous people and the colonial era, as well as independence. we are taught about the genocide and abuse of indigenous people and african slaves. Chile has one of the smallest indigenous population in south america due to the spanish invasion. I went to private school but I think it's national curriculum.

[@ornithomancy]

i did not expect to see meulin leijon discussing prageru today

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

Lol same!!

[@InkSans_FandomSoda]

The Nepeta jumpscare was such a pleasant surprise- great start to what’s likely going to be a very insightful video.

[@InkSans_FandomSoda]

Just realized that that’s definitely Meulin not Nepeta oofffff I’m a fake Homestuck 😭

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

that costume was the biggest scare ive gotten this october. thanks

[@katelundberg2029]

Oh, hi Nepeta! I'm so glad Doki Doki Discourse has been able to reach out to other creators and do colabs like these, it's really nice to see my favorite creators working together.

[@princerufioh]

erm… that’s meulin /lh

[@katelundberg2029]

@princerufioh Dang, I failed the Homestuck check. Guess I have to delete my account now for being a bad Homestuck u_u

[@venren523]

its been a while since ive watched this channel. now i realize your a homestuck fan as i read homestuck in that time, based, subscribed.

[@sharkvus]

i like the clips of you doing random stuff while you talk in the background! it's very entertaining!!

[@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957]

5:41 - "but we draw the line at... human sacrifice." Yeah, is that so, Chris? What happened in Spain literally four months before you departed? Started sacrificing Jews to Jesus, didja? Neat. _Note: yes, I'm aware that description is esoteric to the point of being abstruse, and abstruse to the point of incorrectness, but from our perspective, that's precisely what was happening to us._

[@lostinthemasses]

I got a Trump ad when clicking this video.

[@jakebranch2599]

oof

[@paperholders]

I'm sorry for your loss

[@LeelaThatteDestefano]

It do be like that sometimes

[@unwashedhands2087]

I got a damn PragerPoo ad

[@sapiescent]

On the bright side, that means the advertising agency has wasted money showing the ad to people who are obviously going to do the opposite of what they want.

[@nobodyhimself1643]

Colonizers: stop talking about the sun Native: stop talking about the son

[@cheemsdrip7478]

insert blackbeard gif

[@robertsandlin366]

If you didn't know, the Sun is implied to be a male thing, whereas the Earth is a feminine supporter/creator of things. This makes this joke both ominous and funnier to a degree.

[@junotonium]

never have i ever thought meulin would be teaching me about pragerU until now, i love the costume AND the video!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

I would like to mention that my ancestors, the Norse Scandinavians, sometimes used children for human sacrifice (blót) and there is archaeological evidence to support it. A blót was carried out usually to pray to the Pagan Gods to grant a good harvest to the land. Or maybe victory in battle, depending on the circumstances. Most sacrifices were animals but historical sources and archaeological remains also show human, and even child, sacrifice. Still waiting for PragerU to talk about this.

[@essonyoutube]

no, silly, your ancestors were white! white people have never done anything wrong!

[@IamwhoIbeTheFreak]

Hey!! I was homeschooled and I'll have you know, only one of my parents hates me!!

[@abiliv-lf9tz]

"would you rather be colonized by Christians or Aztecs?" Neither??-

[@Somerandomjingleberry]

My thoughts exactly. The Aztecs were not good. The Conquistadors were not good. One domineering group simply ousted another.

[@TheDrow_Bard]

I was not expecting a homestuck cosplay today

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

Ikr? Thought I'd be the only 1 who noticed.

[@PhantomReeper]

1. New viewer here and I swear I got jumpscared by The Homed Stuck (positive) 2. The first section reminded me of how one of my teachers back in 10th grade used a pragerU video for class and I lost all trust in the videos he showed

[@strmpt9157]

thanks meulin for this video 🙏

[@bluegreyflowers9714]

i clicked on this video and immediately clicked off to do some work and then i clicked back and literally like. made a sound of fear and surprise at the troll cosplay

[@matthewsanchez7953]

Amazing work, as usual.

[@williampayne541]

I was NOT ready for the homestuck jumpscare

[@marly8784]

Thank god I’m not the only one who got jumpscared 😂

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

I legit screamed & pointed in pure xcitement cuz Homestuck.

[@vxicepickxv]

I'm about to do the worst combination of well actually and technically correct. It's not a genocide. It's multiple genocides.

[@bigsantino]

25:19 I love the dichotomy between learning about Native American history and watching you just annihilate a pumpkin.

[@RavenPeake]

25:28 I'm Cherokee. I always thought it was about the fact that the settlers refused to bathe. That yes, it was inevitable, but only because they had such bad habits.

[@psiioniicyt]

I usually listen to your vidoes but the one time i actually had to look at my ohone i hit the hardest double-take with a "MEULIN?!" man its like seeing that one super niche comfort character in public🤝

[@NocturnalTyphlosion]

the use of "he would NOT fucking say that" at the end caught me off guard and made me laugh a little, thanks :3

[@cgtuiijfderuik]

I am not a native american but a native siberian (mа̄ņꞩi/ма̄ньси/ма̄ньщи). The things PragerU tells is exactly the same as we have been taught in schools here, in russia. You know, that russia which is right now destroying Ukraine, its people and culture. The situation is really that bad here, even there aren't the word "colonisation" in student's books. They usually use something that translates as "Siberia joined to Russia", rarely "The conquest of Siberia". But none of them are used as critique word, but rather as names of "normal, right" things.

[@hoppie45]

Never thought I’d get this information delivered to me by Meulin but here I am

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

Yea same.

[@meghanmacdonald7758]

Another thing to point out is that sometimes deadly diseases were intentionally spread to indigenous populations to weaken them. The one off the top of my head is smallpox blankets. So yes, disease played a part, as did stress weakening immune systems. But also, intentionally spreading these diseases to weakened populations is pretty clearly NOT just ‘nature taking its course’

[@usurpvision]

I wasn't expecting a full Meulin Cosplay video essay But here we are. I'll get my popcorn.

[@deathstinger13]

also trying to defend enslaving the native population because 'The colonists didn't invent slavery' is like saying no one can be found guilty of murder except for Cain. Because you KNOW they hold onto biblical literalism.(also it's just kinda a messed up story and not because of the whole murder thing, but that's a major digression)

[@Floofy_Fox_Gal]

Loving the Meulin cosplay!!!

[@Faunadude]

I see u everywhere

[@Floofy_Fox_Gal]

@ what can I say? I’m baby

[@Faunadude]

@ kick baby

[@Floofy_Fox_Gal]

@ NOOOOOOO *sound of multiple legos falling apart and clattering to the ground*

[@Faunadude]

@@Floofy_Fox_Gal time to shove these lego peices up my nose like a kindergartener until my doctor notices speedrun

[@Aerlas]

Fun Fact For The Algorithm: There’s a tale from The Codex Chimalpopoca that details something that sounds like a pandemic. It’s been a while since I read that specific tale, but it detailed the death of a giant at the hands of hunters. It then excreted an incredibly foul stench that made those within a certain proximity to it ill and those next to it die. Somehow they tied ropes to it in an attempt to drag it away only for the corpse to pull a “I must go my people need me” by floating off into the sky with some people still clinging to the ropes.

[@thanatospimentel]

As a Dominican Taino I cringe at the patronizing way they refer to us. We stopped being nice when they started fucking killing us and this false narrative is bullshit.

[@argie9914]

17:25 as far as PragerU is concerned, the definition for genocide is "when Hitler killed Jews".

[@thundertazzy4127]

As a Jew myself, The Attrocities committed by the Conqistadors where so horrific that entire cultures where destroyed and entire peoples slaughtered. Columbus was an absolute Monster, the Spanish and Portuguese Slaughtered, Cannibalized, and Violated People, desecrated Temples to which the natives considered sacred, and enslaved hundreds of thousands. If I could write down how horrific the colonization of the americas It would be bigger than the dictionary.

[@D4rkmatter]

I'm Christian, and I find PragerU incredibly disgusting. That "There was no gen0cid3" quote really made me got sick.

[@goofusmaximus1482]

At the core of right wing arguments is the presupposition that conservative Christians are the only human beings who can be morally good.

[@PyReDZN]

I love the whole "social values were different back then" shtick, because it opens up the question of "why do conservatives want to /conserve/ those values?"

[@pumpkinsomniac]

doki doki discourse got into the sharpies

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

NOOOOOO

[@girlgamer6678]

If Columbus is okay since he didnt invent slavery the Aztecs are okay because they didnt invent human sacrafice

[@headlesswalker4298]

Getting a pragerU ad on this video is hilarious

[@Thelastunicornlover]

Fax📠

[@fairyonice9504]

Calling the aztec’s god their “patron demon” is so stupid. And so Christian centric. Like I don’t think the Aztec’s thought of them that way and it’s incredibly reductive to describe them like that. Just no curiosity for how those people lived!

[@somebodysomewhere2114]

Just wanted to let you know that I always enjoy your videos, and I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself in these ... "interesting" ... times.

[@msjkramey]

Lets say that Columbus did meet some truly "evil" natives. How does that justify slavery and genocide? Doing something "evil" yourself isn't justified just because you did it to someone you percieve as "evil." If we allow ourselves to think that way, ANYTHING is permissible, even good (Evil in quotes because I don't believe in it as a concept. There is always a reason that we percieve someone that ay and not all of those things are even within a person's control. People need help more than anything)

[@PlatinumAltaria]

The Caribs weren't cannibals btw, although they did... practice slavery. Gee, I wonder why PragerU doesn't mention that, almost like they want to rehabilitate the concept of slavery!

[@msjkramey]

@PlatinumAltaria I'm not saying that they were cannibals or anything. My point is that there is no justification for slavery that I would accept

[@that_one_doggo8391]

"there was never an outright policy of indian extermination" uhhhh yeah there was. Colonel Custard ordered every indian man woman and child killed in Colorado. There are probably more examples but that's the first one that came to mind.

[@uncomplicatedi]

PragerU is right. The conquistadors did spread biblical morality. - genocide - slavery - human trafficking - torture - sexual enslavement God endorses all that biblical morality right in the bible 6:16

[@robertsandlin366]

Who created this "God"? I would like to speak to it's creator, and what this derp "God" is.

[@FloreyXE]

​​@@robertsandlin366 bored ass men thousands of years ago trying to justify their own world views by painting them as the correct way to live

[@do_doctor]

I got a prager u ad in the middle of this video 😂😂😂

[@cherrycolareal]

DAMN HOW AM I HERE-

[@n0etic_f0x]

You clicked on the KZbin video.

[@elijahgearhart5116]

Oh dang awesome Meulin cosplay! Last place on KZbin I'd expect a homestuck cosplay

[@Kingjder02]

Notice how they conveniently leave out the part where they used to eat parts from mummies. But I guess that's not cannibalism to them

[@T.Ty7]

Yeah but wealthy Europeans did that.. it’s different

[@Kingjder02]

@T.Ty7 somehow they think so. Or they just skipped that part of history. I think both

[@midnightsan9917]

Also the early settlers definitely ate their family members when the winter hit

[@Kingjder02]

@@midnightsan9917 you know they just ignore that. Anything dealing with like white colonials they just ignore

[@Solaris_Paradox]

​@@Kingjder02White colonizers invaded the Americans were also sex perverts and pedophiles.

[@kristofkristoff3369]

Thank you for calling this out! I'm an indigenous american and its so disheartening they way they demonize us and praise the colonizers. I try so hard to dispel the myths and stereotypes.

[@LordDane1986]

If you oppose human sacrifice... why would you worship Jesus?

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

imma be real im pretty sure jeezy c did NOT like human sacrifice. didnt read it but just a hunch

[@corbinallen4562]

​@theMyRadiowasTaken I think he's referring to the fact that Jesus was a human sacrifice.

[@Melonist]

​@@corbinallen4562 or, well, technically a godly sacrifice (but who's counting)

[@sapiescent]

@@theMyRadiowasTaken Right, which is why God (who is Jesus one in the same) killed all those people in a flood, or during the plagues of Egypt, or that time he ordered his followers to eliminate everyone including the women and children. God just hates it when people die, which is why He created humans with the capacity to die.

[@LordDane1986]

@@theMyRadiowasTaken It's why the guy is worshiped and what washes away our sin. What has Washed away out sin nothing but the _blood_ of Jesus.

[@josephmiller1725]

I love a PragerU ad in the middle of this video 😂 they targeting heavy!