Precision Carbine Discussion - BHP

[@dustyrhodes1655]

Great discussion.

[@projectblackhills]

@@dustyrhodes1655 glad you enjoyed it.

[@markusjopek3994]

Patiently waiting for new content lol

[@projectblackhills]

We have stuff in the works! Unfortunately we live a decent distance apart so we can’t make stuff as often as we would like.

[@markusjopek3994]

@projectblackhills totally understand that, sucks when friends move multiple states away from you...

[@Way2Evl]

When I first listened to this I thought I had a lot of criticism of things said, but listening back I was just being picky. I would like to touch on one thing for those that might read this. Your advice on the Eotech Vudu was a huge part of me leaning towards it. Even at the advice of Brass Facts to steer away. I am quite happy with it. I was in the same situation as you are thinking the dot was too big. I was also under the impression you need all the magnification to shoot a good group. When in actuality you dont. Now you may think this is shooter preference, but it is and it isn't. It's whatever helps make you place a consistent point of aim. Once I realized from others how difficult it is to shoot a gas gun with all the reciprocating mass, I worked on myself and shooting ability. I stopped placing blame on my ammo and barrel (AAC and DD). Shooting good groups at 100 can be difficult. I know your platform is capable of it because I watched your ring that target repeatedly at 530y in that wind. Long story shot, I turned my magnification down to where the dot was the size of the 1" target at 100y or slightly smaller. Then I knew if I couldn't see the dot on target or was just showing enough on each side, it was in the same place EVERY TIME. I have now shot some of the best groups I have ever shot. Groups my bolt gun would be happy to see. 1 time I shot a group where 4/5 went into the same hole. I have also shot many, many sub moa groups now. I stopped the search for better materials to make me a better and focused on my own fundamentals. To each their own. What worked for me might not work for you. I just wanted to share my experience.

[@projectblackhills]

Totally fair criticism on my part with the Vudu. As much as I “dislike” the middle dot on the reticle, I took a step back after we recorded this and realized what you said is true, regardless of effect on the accuracy that the middle dot causes, I’ve still been able to get consistent on target hits on a 10x12 inch plate at 850 yards using the optic. I partially blame my “need” for a more precise reticle on the rabbit hole I’ve gone down that is know as hand loading. Its opened my eyes on how consistent and accurate ammo can and should be. I know I can hit tighter groups with a higher magnification and precise reticle. But at the same time, the diminishing returns in accuracy you get with a 223/556 is probably marginal at best vs something like 6arc/6.5cm. I’ll be sticking with the vudu as well. There no real reason for me to ditch it. Especially on a rifle like this. On an spr 223, a 3-18 or even a 2-20 would definitely be more beneficial in my opinion. I appreciate the comment though. Hopefully our production on these discussions will be going up and released at a higher consistency!

[@MysticMungusSlungus]

100% agree with a tripod being necessary for hunting. There are way too many variables in getting setup to not bring a tripod. I get into areas where it's sandy with cactus/sticker chunks all over the places, so I don't want to prone out there, sitting on a roll up mat/blanket is preferred. You wind up in so many awkward positions while shooting yotes as well, leaning all sorts of odd ways, shooting with both hands, etc, the tripod is a big force multiplier for quality of life on a hunt. Good stuff folks, will be listening for future installments of this.

[@projectblackhills]

Agree 100%. Appreciate you listening!

[@lucusallen42]

I like the content Thanks 🙏🏻

[@projectblackhills]

Appreciate that man!

[@benbreakfast4314]

All SOLGW barrels are produced for them to their specs by ballistic advantage.

[@hajduk_lives]

That’s not true of the new SPR barrels, but they’ve not disclosed who is making them.

[@projectblackhills]

Even if they were, the results I’ve seen are incredibly impressive. Also sorry for messing up your name haha. I was close

[@hajduk_lives]

@@projectblackhillsagreed, don’t care about the OEM, if the barrel shoots. All good on the screen name front, it’s a weird one to remember/pronounce. Even meat space friends are like “how the fuck do I say that name”?

[@hajduk_lives]

@@projectblackhills also, who was I talking to on IG? Didn’t know one of y’all’s was in my DMs.

[@thomasmarchese2808]

I agree the barrel and ammo thing but I look at it like this. If 77 is my ammo of choice. Shoot with and stock up on that ammo. But also do some training with 55. Why? 77 is my choice of ammo and is on one end of the spectrum. 55 might be all we can get in a pinch and is better than no ammo and is at the other end of the spectrum. So through experience alone you know your good ammo does X. 55 does Y and the fire everything else will fall somewhere inbetween. I totally agree with setting the gun up for and training with your preferred ammo for the job. 77. But I think it’s valuable to also train with ammo on the other end of the spectrum so 77 and 55 because one is what you want and have. The other is usable ammo and nothing more but might be all you can get (Russia Ukraine. You shoot what you get or manage to buy and get sent in. Which ain’t happening a lot) so having experience consistently training with both and by extension you know that every other random 556 you might find or be given in a shitty situation will fall somewhere in the middle. Especially if this is a hard times go to rifle. As opposed to a comp gun in some niche round that just goes away in hard times cause it ain’t for that. To me that’s very simple and beneficial and offsets cost a bit. Some 77 and some 55.

[@projectblackhills]

We zero with 77gr and shoot all precision and long range with 77gr, but shoot everything else with 55gr. I’ve noticed that generally, the zero from 77gr to shooting 55gr isn’t that much. And 200 yards and in, it’s not going to be enough of a shift to be noticeable.

[@C_oprator89]

Subrev b5 bagriders are game changing anyone running thrm stocks

[@projectblackhills]

Would like to try one for the ctr.

[@C_oprator89]

@@projectblackhills yea and if it’s anything as good as their b5 model I can’t recommend it enough.

[@fr3d_fly351]

We need to drop the “got hits @ x yards”

[@projectblackhills]

Is there a reason? Not trying to be a dick, genuinely interested

[@fr3d_fly351]

@@projectblackhills Not at all, very much enjoy the channel. It's just an open-ended expression; we can be more descriptive when it comes to the capabilities of a system (shooter, equipment, ammo), especially in the precision game. You can "get hits" at 800 with your 11.5 shooting 55gr, with an ACOG, but is that really the game we are trying to play?

[@HendoSam]

@@fr3d_fly351 I’m sort of in the same boat as your way of thinking. What’s the alternative?

[@HunterStaples]

@@fr3d_fly351 That's honestly a fair explanation. I feel like we make it known that they are consistent hits, but I get what you're saying. I'm not sure I can get the phrase out of my repertoire just because it's always been a phrase that I've said, but I'll keep it in mind for sure.

[@Way2Evl]

@@fr3d_fly351 Most rifles/ammo/shooter combos are capable of it today. There was a time though, when no matter what you tried you were not hitting at the distance. I agree, maybe it should be said how many attempts and how many hits, or on what attempt you were able to hit should be said to give the listener an idea of the platform/shooters capability.