Predator 212 Stage 2 Install ~ Billet Rod, Billet Flywheel & Mod2 Cam

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Let me know if you like the video. Hope this helps someone out in there installation process. Keep on build!

[@josephyost22]

It helps! Thanks Red Beard!

[@TheBeardedOutdoorsman]

I have sort of a dumb question, ive been rebuilding motors for a long time, but what is the difference in the cam? What benefits does it offer? no, not being a smart ass here just curious

[@PopVtecZ]

The Bearded Outdoorsman pretty sure it allows the valves to open more for more flow which means more Rpms

[@RedBeardsGarage]

It lets the valves open longer and at different times in the timing

[@mrbeendidthat3657]

Red Beard's Garage check out smallenginecams. com

[@sammymarquez9942]

Started my new hobby this year on small engines and minibikes. Gonna stick with my hobby. Wish I would have did this a long time ago

[@MikeBeatzcom]

You going to love it!

[@kylesyx8432]

You do a excellent job of explaining clearly and very thorough ! Much appreciated ❤ Got rid of the 99cc Grabbed a 212, and about worn the engine out ! (6 mo)Running 6000+ grand without putting billet rod I did put a high rpm flywheel! But no rod ! Started knocking , and see a little color ring on my crank. Hope I didn’t ruin it ! 👍👍👍

[@Mogars88]

The display,layout and editing were all top notch on this vid ... Good Job RBG

[@MechaniclifeJDM]

Plus 1

[@logannance181]

Id trade the fancy editing for a start up after doing the build

[@rustycrustytriesstuff]

Awesome build! You should really get a micrometer for checking the crank if you can. Calipers are better than nothing but micrometers are more precise. I don't usually trust calipers for less than .002 tolerances. Keep up the good work!

[@ziggybammurphy1645]

Ive pretty much mastered building the non-hemi 212’s thanks to these videos..Today I bought another 212 and noticed it was a hemi and im a little nervous about grinding the crank journal for the Mod2 Cam, but it really doesn’t look all that hard and it doesn’t look like much has to be ground off anyway. Hopefully all goes well

[@andrellebeverly6340]

I am nervous to grind the crank also let me know how it goes

[@ziggybammurphy1645]

@@andrellebeverly6340 not a problem…it worked perfect.. 👍 i just used a dremmel and took a little off…that’s all it took..

[@curtisgruszkowski880]

How much did you take off? I'm gonna grind mine today n don't want to grind too much

[@nyc007]

You got this 🇺🇸❤️

[@jakeday5936]

I was just gonna buy the stage 2 kit and put it on my engine but after watching this video, idk anymore lmaooo, you make it seem so complicated lmao

[@robertkaduck2811]

Only one way to learn im at the same point...find you a spare engine that somewhere...one that you can freely tear down and put back together to better understand and get more comfortable with the process...thats what i am about to do an engine swap and keeping the old one to teach myself

[@pogonick55]

Wow dude. That was a beautiful install. 10/10 can't wait to see it unleash some power!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Its on the little red 2.0 video

[@pacificnorthriders7081]

One of the best tutorial video i've seen on this. Great job!

[@laverncarroll]

Very well done. Watching your video even I could do it now. Thank you Red beard

[@granite345rt6]

I'll be using your video to build my hemi! Best video I've found. Thank you so much!

[@funnymdog]

someone who actually knows how to film a tear down bravo dawg

[@alecmatthewson4339]

Why did you not replace the valve springs or mention it? When adding stage 2 is that not important?

[@pl747]

Loved the way you torqued that flywheel nut to 54 ft lbs.

[@exilemike]

It's good enough

[@williamcates8483]

Thank you for the detailed information on this project. As I'm in the process of building a stage2 on my 212predator. Again thank you for the details 🙏 ☺

[@stephensellers2453]

Man your work just keeps getting sweeter and sweeter. Man keep up the good work.

[@deandrecarter5679]

You are the best when it come to understanding my mini bike and what it capable of I love how you take your time to explain everything!!!😎💯🤞🔥

[@nastynoah]

The instructional videos and ones with Lonnie's Mom are my favorites.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Noah Wolcott lol

[@worleyracingproductions1755]

You do know that using a clone head on the hemi bottom end is a exact one hp gain on dyno you only lose 5cfm per flow bench.......you can also remove the gear on the front of crank to freen up some rotating mass

[@kristianstaton6696]

Do you mean having a hemi block with a non-hemi head?

[@Zachcool41]

This video is going to help me out a lot, I had no idea to grind the crank shaft down to fit that cam, I just bought the kit

[@jacobneymeiyer9091]

Some times you have to grind the center rod of the cam a little too cause the rod connects too.

[@robertmccaleb3109]

Love it. From watching you guy’s I know I will be new to the sport. But I will now know witch mini bike and mods to do to mod the trail master mb 200 to me. You guy’s are great so awesome and have inspired me to get into a sport I know I’m gonna love. Thank you so so mutch. Be safe out there.✌️✌️✌️

[@tomreplogle5363]

Just found your channel, great learning videos, good music. Other channels should take notes. I can't stop watching them. Thank You T.

[@steveharmon3086]

Your my go to garage for my new Hobbie with a 212 predator. Vids done very well. Not to busy with over-kill of info on subject of vid, nice

[@HarrisonBennett]

Awesome build, anyone else notice the new piston pop into the video at 15:20? Just thought that was funny, great video Greg!

[@josephyost22]

Early! Love the videos you make Red Beard!

[@ericnegrete7130]

Very detailed oriented, One of the Best videos I’ve seen so far. Keep up the good work!

[@silversacker3691]

Building a stage 2 predator hemi today. Thanks for the great channel, and great build videos,red beard keep up the good work!!

[@joshhughes6316]

Great video thanks and this is how every build video should be done in my opinion. Alot of people do alot of not needed conversation about parts and life stories that take way to long to get to the point. Thanks for the share I will be following and keep up the good work..

[@jameshickerson528]

i used to race in clone and flathead classes in gokart racing, 07 tempest for long and less bank tracks and 04 phenom for short high bank, with frame stiffener removed, i would turn my clone at 6300 with a 200 rpm drop for 20 laps and had great luck, verylittle mod, air filter and jets and header, it was fun before they let the builders get in it, now it is ruined for what was intended, budget racing, a person could by a clone from arc for 400.00 and go racing, now they cant be touched for less than 1200.00-1400.00 if you want to stay in the race,

[@dongulley3225]

Know this was 4 years ago, but I just had to add, I raced 2 cycle dirt in the late 70's into the 80's. Back then you could do just about anything to an engine you needed to make it scream before the foreign engines came on. It was a money game then, and that didn't take very many years to dwindle the tracks out of business. NOW, I'm 'cobbling' up these 4 'bangers' for the grandkids gocarts as much as I can HIDE from the wife! THANKS Red Beard!

[@kingavegarage8722]

Awesome job! and so shiny!

[@JasonBolte]

Great video. Just wondering if grinding on the crank caused any imbalance at higher rpm?

[@CR4ZYxRY4N]

I purchased everything for a 212cc non hemi predator and installed it flawlessly I had my kart geared for speed to the point where we had to push it up to 45 mph before we hamerered down it went 97.7 average of three runs remotely controlled no Rider

[@Tdogs_life]

what

[@adventurefishing3190]

Lol video or gtfoh, lol. Remote controlled lol bahhahah

[@RustyHondas]

Hit a wall that would be epiccxx

[@christufferroeder1090]

Top speed on a 212 hemi on a mini bike is around 85 90 mph.. Lol I call bs

[@keithwilliams413]

I'd like to see the technique used for the paint job on the flywheel cover. Looks good.

[@bartholomewalexis6074]

you make it look simple to do the build the other channels make it look complicated

[@b_mb4948]

This was one hell of an *AWESOME* video! If possible though, please please do a classic flathead Briggs next!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I have a few I need to do something with

[@ReverendBow]

Great Video, I will be dropping a +20 Billet rod in my project soon as well. Thanks for the video. BTW, totally dig how you rotated the engine on the turntable at the end of the video at the same speed as your logo rotating on the computer screen... ;)

[@gumby754]

Dope video , the music ! Perfect selection 🎵 😃👌🏽👌🏽💰🥃

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Thanks man. Usually people gripe about the music lol

[@ShoKxFLeeK]

I love this channel!

[@mrs.redbeard4718]

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[@micromachine7954]

Nice build! Only thing I would advise is to use an actual micrometer when checking bearing clearance. Plastigage is a good alternative to buying precision measurement tools, but micrometers are fairly cheap these days and if you can get a mic on it you'll get the most accurate measurement (often down to .0001 on a quality unit). On that note; Also remember to measure all your parts at room temperature without handling them too much. Hot parts and/or mics will produce inaccurate measurements. Some of this may be overkill on an engine like this, but good building habits will help you in the long run. How much (ballpark) do you have invested in this engine? Can't wait to see it rip!

[@rosstempletonogskater]

Lets see it Run. Thats what I was looking forward tooo

[@IngenTechNational]

Love the beats in this video!

[@kartingkid714]

Ayy bro this is awesome, i totally needed this vid

[@nealc1308]

Everything i like speed and torque. I love to go fast and get dirty when i trail ride.

[@rodneyws1977]

Was watching these videos and had an idea. Every build should show the motor running at the end so we have an idea of what it'll sound like.

[@AKGirthQuake]

@ 5:02 illuminati confirmed

[@69troyjan]

Ah ha ! ;-)🤙🦈

[@jmac3693]

I don't get it?

[@Agavegaming]

J MAC rectangle with hole looks like Illuminati symbol

[@575conbon]

Not sure if you've figured it out in the 3 years since this video or not, but on those type c-clips with the notches in them, just stick a little flathead in the there and twist. A lot more controllable, instead of flinging them across the room while simultaneously jabbing yourself in the thumb with the pick.

[@ni4ni775]

I wish you were my neighbor.... This is beyond my skill level. Great video though.

[@OpAfAnx]

Omb says The standard bore on a Predator 212cc engine is 2.756". The Wiseco Piston #11132p94 is for a 2.756" bore, which means it will yield approximately .003" piston to wall clearance. This is right where you want to be, so provided your bore is good and needs nothing more than a fresh cross-hatch honing, it will be good. If your bore is larger, out-of-round, or the engine has already been run for a while with the stock piston, you will need to go with a larger piston. so do I need to get a larger piston for my 212?? It's a few months old and been used a lot.

[@thomasarther3437]

Nice work. Love it. I do have one comment though. The music didn't sound the best because it was just looped

[@melissareed8927]

I put stage 2 performance on my 212 i never took measure mints of the billet rod and I used a card for the fly wheel

[@leeoswald6803]

Everything still running good

[@sabrom]

Excellent assembly and detailed to look easy.

[@walkertongdee]

Another great video!

[@sentencedtobeme3697]

Very informative! You just got a new subscriber! Hopefully you respond to your followers that have questions! Btw cars and cameras, and go power sports mentioned many of times.

[@claymahnen1307]

This video was very useful. I don’t plan to mess around with the piston or the cam on my predator 212 but this video was still good so that I know a little more about my engine. But I do plan to remove the governor for more speed.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Removing the governor in my opinion is a must

[@travissiegenthaler9355]

Getting the key out almost made me go insane with rage

[@rustynutz4493]

Good instructional. REALLY COULD DO WITHOUT THE TECHNO-THUMP "music"

[@metal_mo]

Every predator mod video on KZbin has obnoxious music for some reason.

[@granite345rt6]

I like it

[@AaronMartinCOOLVIDEO]

great video Redbeard.

[@toneburgos5190]

Great video my friend, Thank U Bro.👍👍 😷stay safe & keep building!✌

[@leevongilmore2070]

Insane Red

[@4687878]

Did you clean the top of the piston ? It's pretty clean now .

[@stephcucinotta9307]

when you grind on your crank for clearance for cam, you are affecting the balance on the crank. don't you get that re balanced?

[@chancewindham1718]

@THE PEDOPHILE EXPOSING BOUNTY HUNTER it's a small engine not a space shuttle. Taking a slight bit of material off is not going to make the engine "fly apart". You should look into that steel toe to the face.

[@joeyseabaugh6742]

If I were to spend that much time and money, I would definitely rebalance.

[@josepena2024]

@@chancewindham1718 facts bro

[@colbyturbeville2946]

These engines aren’t even balanced from the factory what’s a little bit of shaving gonna do not a single thing

[@cachidril]

I think it was already unbalanced

[@joyler2446]

You need to adjust the valves so they will work with the new cam

[@kickboxs77]

Yep. This cam calls for 3 thou of lash

[@kickboxs77]

On both the intake and exhaust

[@claymahnen1307]

I forgot to mention as well. I will replace my flywheel though. I’m putting in a Baja Three Magnet with a coil so I can run a light bar on my go kart.

[@MrMikey1224]

That piston was dirty when you initially put it in the cylinder but after the cam was installed the piston was clean and looked new, what's up with that?

[@MuddyBob650]

little brake cleaner doesn't hurt haha. Makes it look shiny when you put it in so you can see how much carbon built up till next rebuild.

[@ryanrotten8595]

Editing 🤣

[@melloreel]

I like the turntable the motor is on? Maker? And as has been said already many times, another great video.

[@chrismarek7864]

What kind of power gains can you expect to see with these performance parts installed?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Not sure on the numbers but its a huge difference.

[@MuddyBob650]

About a usual 20 HP gain. Insane if ya ask me. Totally worth it.

[@habdman]

@@MuddyBob650 20hp? For real?

[@MuddyBob650]

@@habdman Of course. But this is all out. We're talking a couple hundred dollars!

[@1MACVSOG1]

@@habdman no it's not you can get 20 out of a 212 but you need to do head work porting and polishing and so on ck out (Paul's karts lifen 420) this guy knows his shit and will answer any questions you have really fast.

[@marcprovencher4367]

Really well done video, everything you need and no BS! Just one question about putting the micrometer on the journal where the rod bearings go... I didn't understand why you need that measurement and what to do with it? Pre-fabing the rod and bearing on the vise allows the bearing to seat properly but what is the measurement for?Thanks, RBG's videos are top notch!

[@nialpmatk04]

what size tap did you use on the governor hole ? mine leaks i just sealed it with a bolt thats too small and gasket maker but it failed want to put pulse pump instead

[@RedBeardsGarage]

I cant remember off the top of my head. Watch the governor removal video on my channel and I tell it there.

[@nialpmatk04]

Alright thanks

[@matthewdylenbrown]

1/4" 20 (20 threads per inch)

[@MrBladecollector]

What kind of coil or plug wire is that? Looks a lot better than stock

[@RedBeardsGarage]

It's a msd one I made. Should fire a little better

[@screwdriver3657]

Thank you for this. I want to build up mine. Where did you get and what is that coil you have? I like the red tubing? And what is the torque for the connecting rod bolts?

[@4687878]

Do you think it's good to use brakekleen for the lapping compound removal ?

[@anonymoususer8983]

Great video!

[@4Rracing]

great editing and could follow voice instruction in video , but did not include the short bit on piston rings install. Why? is it bottom ring is 12 oclock position and the top ring in 6pm location ?

[@WK-cm4wo]

Good video, but why does the piston change from time to time, meaning it's new sometimes and used other times?

[@2009walkingman]

The Surgeon !

[@preludedudesi5208]

Cool video, I'm thinking about building one but it's a non hemi, i want to put a .308 cam in it says set it 34 deg btdc do you know what they mean, are there deg marks on the gear? The diesel engines i build do

[@nickr529]

Thanks RedBeard for all the info. I can't wait to tear into my 212 and create a monster sleeper. Any info much is appreciated.

[@trellatkins959]

Awesome motor!!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Thanks man

[@davidojeda259]

How come you didn't start the freaking thing!!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

Its the motor I used in little red 2.0 video. You can watch it to see it run

[@DJ-xo4jg]

So i had a question or two. Stuck inside like a lot right now. Figured I'd break out the mini bike. Bought a new 212 hemi. Thinking about doing a few things to it. I don't have a shop. I use a garage i rent from my apartment complex. So no work bench, no vise more importantly. So question one is, do i need a vise to set the bearing on the piston? And my second question is. Should i break in the motor before i start adding parts, or can i just do the stage 2 from the beginning before i even add oil? Personally im pretty sure i should just do the break in so i only have to hopefully open it up once. Clean it out and start replacing. But i figured I'd ask anyway since it's easy to just unscrew a few bolts and clean it out. I never know when I'll actually be up to the task of replacing all this, so when i am i want to just do it and get it done. Also i like the videos, its nice to get the proper torque settings and watch it happen all at the same time. But i would like to know what kind of power increases you can expect from each stage? Would help determine what realistically i would need vrs want.

[@jmac3693]

No need for break in. Doing the build up when it's new is a lot easier cause its clean. Totally up to you though. If you want to see what it's like stock then upgrade for better results. Its pretty satisfying to experience the boost each upgrade gives you.

[@jmac3693]

I weigh 240 lbs and a stock predator pulls me around just fine. Even with the Gov still in place which is a top speed thing. All upgrades I did was just cause I can and it's fun but didn't need any of it just to putt around.

[@leelafarlett3535]

Did the kit not have the correct valve springs , or a new crank seal? I guess its ok to use the old tappets with a new and different size cam. I'm starting with a stock 212 predator , Is there a previous video I should have watched ?

[@1darrious2tim]

that motor clean!!!!

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+big dog thanks man

[@AJC-jo3ds]

How do you know if your Predator 212 is a "Hemi" or not? Just bought one from HF, didn't know there were Hemi options

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Anthony Catenaro part number 60363

[@MuddyBob650]

I'll tell you the easier way. Damn RBG. Making everything so hard haha. Just look at the valve cover. Usually shiny alum is the Non-Hemi. The Hemi looks more dull.

[@1MACVSOG1]

@@MuddyBob650 what is the difference mechanism wize, is it like the dodge himi spark plug in the middle? So how

[@MuddyBob650]

@@1MACVSOG1 Really not a big difference. The Hemi would basically have a deeper grove on the top of the cylinder. The Non-Hemis are usually more universal and easier to mod, however.

[@Mac_RacingKarts]

Thanks ... I needed this for help

[@mowerlife4082]

Thats a good looking motor

[@brenthazen8327]

Keep up the good work!

[@jeremyclayton6579]

Was wanting to know what I needed to do to my predator 212cc along with removing governor? Just change flywheel and springs or was there something else? Just ordered torque converter also so I’m ready to see the difference.

[@RedBeardsGarage]

You don't have to do the flywheel and billet rod but it is recommended. I did a video on what you need to remove the governor

[@asphaltcowboy7868]

I highly recommend a billet connecting rod if you do the governor delete

[@jeremyclayton6579]

Anyone had success with Makuni carb on mini bike. I can’t get it where throttle response is worth a crap even with different settings on it. It goes faster top end big time but definitely not running right.

[@asphaltcowboy7868]

@@jeremyclayton6579 might need to be rejetted....

[@BruceAllentools]

what about valve lash?

[@chrisbeamish6556]

That's the Porter Cable impact driver right? That's the one with the quick release Chuck? I have that one and absolutely love it it makes small engine work ten times faster which batteries are you using with it?

[@mikecondoluci53]

great video i just got the same parts for my honda gx160 and a flat top piston, what kinda hp #s do you think?

[@vouthyouch9029]

Nice build

[@MarkBordelon-xz8ij]

Hey RBG, love your videos. What do you use for lapping compound on flywheels?

[@hampton1715]

Hi Red Beard I was wondering if it's possible to put a hemi predator 212 head on a regular predator 212. Thanks, Nick

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Nick H I believe you can sir. But you won't tell a difference from it

[@hampton1715]

Red Beard's Garage oh well, thanks for your response keep up the great work I love the channel!

[@1MACVSOG1]

@@hampton1715 there is s 1 hp gain with only 5 cfm loss to engine flow on a dyno. Doinv it this way this is a Fact!

[@jameshickerson528]

red beard, i got some stainless steel zip ties off of ebay that are the trick for clean install, 12 dollars for a 100,

[@carsont3998]

I laughed at the msd spark plug wire and boot

[@leadfootandy]

In a lot of other Mod2 cam install videos, I noticed no one grinded the crank down, just you. Is it necessary to?

[@RedBeardsGarage]

+Andrew Swensen you have to when installing on a hemi engine

[@leadfootandy]

Red Beard's Garage thanks for replying so quickly. Awesome, I'm planning on building a mini bike here soon and building a predator motor. Love the videos man, very helpful.

[@lsellclumanetsolarenergyll5071]

How easy it it to add an external electric start to this 212cc? I do like to do one where it's not on the flywheel but maybe there is a nice version for the flywheel side too. I have a modified Pressure Washer and do like to use a 12V Battery on the cart with a starter. I do have direct drive and also clutch driven Pressure washer pumps on the output shaft side so both options can be used.

[@norlano5603]

You should get a Coleman kt196cc go cart

[@shinymud7]

I’m putting a predator 212 on my mobility scooter because the battery pack and the motor are dead what encouragement can you give me? Should I go off-road tires or go karts slicks I will be driving this downtown as a mobility scooter also. Thank you and keep looking up.

[@nicholasbrokemond9880]

I have a 5hp briggs and what to do an arc flywheel but I'm hesitant because of having never done it before and seeing that you have to get the timing right. I see you just installed your flywheel on with the piston at tdc. Is that all you need to do or is it more complicated than that?