Predator 5000 VS Cummins 4500 Generator Load Test!

[@tmw8127]

We just got our first travel trailer and the hf predator 5000 was our first purchase 🥰 with extended warranty

[@josephrivera5252]

Any issues with the predator 5000? I bought my first 24’ travel trailer and I’m undecided between a 3500 or a 5000 what’s your thoughts ?

[@ericestep9880]

@@josephrivera5252 3500 is plenty for a travel trailer

[@raphaelroberson1129]

​@@josephrivera5252 Get the 5000 or 9500 or get 2x 5000. The price is just that good as a dual fuel.

[@therealcomment1811]

Very good video... I also like how large your property is... looks like you have a few bucks....

[@edkruzel]

We have two predators, the 9000 and the 5000 inverter. Both are worth every penny.

[@RockyRohde]

They are good generators…

[@Oharsh0928]

Had to use my Predator 5000 last weekend after we had a power outage that lasted about 6 hours. Ran a window unit, refrigerator, some lights, tv and internet. Worked great.

[@RockyRohde]

I really like the 5000..

[@ThePauliejunior]

We have the Cummins and have no complaints. Works great with one 15k A/C. Wish the predator was available when i purchased. Would have loved the dual fuel

[@fmerkl]

I've got 2 3500W predator' s the Best Inverter generator for the price ! one has over 4000 Hours on it and runs like a champ !

[@RockyRohde]

I agree.. My 3500 is 3 yrs old and still runs like new

[@bradfordpalmer2298]

Wow! That is a bunch of hours

[@lemichaeljohnson2069]

4000 hrs is awesome

[@IDirtbike]

Dang with 4000hrs what have you had done to it? New piston and rings?

[@ericestep9880]

I just bought a champion 4500 inverter generator. Can’t wait for it to come in. I got a 30’ bumper pull camper one AC. 13.500 btu.

[@RogerJohnson-j9v]

thats perfect for your trailer

[@show305time4]

I’m looking to buy a 5000 really soon. Do they have better replacements wheels for the generator? Those plastic wheels seems flimsy.

[@B-DINO]

It's harbor freight, they sell plenty of tires and parts. You can definitely rig up something even cheaper than replacements. I will say that I keep mine in the back of my truck so it's been bumped around a ton, been pulled sideways a bunch and my wheels are still perfect. When I went to purchase the Predator 5,000 I was actually looking to buy the Predator 3,500 and I made a last minute decision to go with the 5,000 just because I could tell the 5,000 had WAY better quality wheels than the 3,500. Honestly the wheels are just a bonus, you could drag that generator around on the ground and it probably wouldn't feel much different than it does with tires. They're decent and rugged enough. I wouldn't worry too much about the tires. They'd be easy to replace with a few different tires that harbor freight sells.

[@gr.vo.3058]

Just bought a pred 5000. Thanks for the video.

[@RockyRohde]

Thanks for watching!

[@lgroves336]

i do not have a camper but i found the video interesting. thx

[@RockyRohde]

Thanks for watching!

[@henrywilliams1791]

You're suppposed to oil coat the sponge in the air filter BEFORE first start.

[@MemoWardwell]

Dual Fuel E X C E P T California, where we have a governor that keeps use safe and broke !

[@akbychoice]

Safe LMAO riggggght

[@RodneyBruner]

Ideas for more info on predator: 1) Parallel kits for 50 amp output - can you run two different generators on this, for example a 3500 and x. 2) i am interested in having gen set up on camper that is national park compliant. What max predator, or combinations of predators meet the stated requirements of national park noise level requirements?

[@RVFreeDa]

I tried a 3500 and a 2000 and bought the big connector between the two. But after reading the instructions it said they both had to be the same. So I returned the connector.

[@timg2973]

yes both genis have to be the same.

[@jaybdvm]

I have heard you can parallel two different wattage gens, but you get twice the wattage of the lower power unit. See Gavin's Garage about paralleling different gens

[@RogerJohnson-j9v]

running both ACs usually runs off a 50 amp service , that 4500i is for a 30 amp setup not a 50 with 2 ACs

[@RockyRohde]

With soft starts the units pull 1700 watts with 1900 watt starting. Two ac’s can run on a 30 with soft starts no problem.

[@RogerJohnson-j9v]

@@RockyRohde you just proved you are better off with 5000 watt or higher to run both ACs , without them kicking the breaker on the generator

[@rpsmith]

FYI, that "Cummins" generator is actually a Westinghouse iGen4500.

[@Oharsh0928]

I just want to run a window unit, fridge, deep freezer, some lights and fans. I think the 5000 will get the job done.

[@Raider1836]

I’m fixing to put soft starts on both my ACs…

[@penguin2ab]

predator voltage drops farther than it should in order to go past the rated amps and not trip it's breaker. not the best for sensitive electronics

[@TwoCaptainsOneShip]

Just bought the 5000 from HF…only 800.00 with a coupon. Have not opened the box just yet…hope to soon and get some hours in it in case I have any issues with it.

[@timg2973]

break it in with lots of oil changes. i have 2 3500 predictors both i changed the oil at 5 mins then 10 then 20 then 30mins and 1 hours at 2 hours i did the final oil change with no metal in it. take the used oil put it on a paper plate and look at it from all angles in the bright sun to look for metal shavings when you see none your good to go. i do oil changes every 100 hours they both run smooth with over 5k hours on both. when storing always run them dry.

[@TwoCaptainsOneShip]

@@timg2973 thanks. I plan on doing that for sure. I also purchased a magnetic dip stick too to grab any metal fragments..

[@akbychoice]

@@TwoCaptainsOneShipgood unless the magnet comes loose. Then it’s a nightmare.

[@NatePedersen-m5f]

I do believe the reason the 9500 still has a 30amp plug but a bigger generator is because it's a 240 outlet which gives you 2 hot legs of 120 at 30 amps each.

[@jacksinthebox8029]

Predator 9500 is only 7600 running watts. 30a x 240v = 7200. 50-amp 240-volt circuit: 50 amps x 240 volts = 12,000 watts

[@twaflyboy1]

Campers are not generally 240v. They are 120v x 50a = 6,000w.

[@tristanjohnson9773]

@@twaflyboy1 They are two legs of 120 at 50amps each.. It's a 240 volt plug and input.. Where as a 30amp is only one 30 amp circuit.. 100 amps, vs 30... That's why the 9500 doesn't care and works better.. It's able to put out more current over all .

[@rpsmith]

@@twaflyboy1"Campers are not generally 240v" -- Not true. The 50A RV service is actually two 50A/120V circuits with one 50A/240V circuit leg-to-leg. I installed a 24" apartment washer and dryer in my RV and rewired the dryer plug to supply 240V to my dryer. I also rewired my water heater for 240V and changed the heating element to 2,400W/240V. The only downside is the dryer and water heater no longer work when connected to a 30A/120V hookup but 98% of the time I'm on a 50A service and I can always run the water heater off of Propane.

[@rpsmith]

@@tristanjohnson9773 -- and each A/C is on its own leg.

[@akbychoice]

@@rpsmithmy 38’ is 50 amp as well.

[@kadincrosley411]

Really like your Victron set up. Is that something that needs to come with the camper already installed? Or can I install that on my camper. I just bought a 2021 coachmen chapparal 5th wheel and looking to have a system like that to monitor and hopefully manage my electrical system like you can. Think that would be a possibility for my unit? I’m new to the RV world

[@RockyRohde]

You have to order it and install..

[@IDirtbike]

You can most definitely order and install it yourself but you definitely need the knowledge in which there are quite a few videos on KZbin about. And it’s pricey but worth it.

[@arachnofan73]

Had a predator inverter. Lasted about a year. Changed oil and non ethanol gas. Will never buy again. Have a champion, no problems.

[@randombiker8002]

Mine works good since last three years.

[@perky42069]

I got just a little over 1800 hours on a Predator 3500 and it's still running strong

[@DunkinsCrew]

That’s understandable. Think it may be the luck of the draw with predator. I’ve got a 2000 predator I’ve had for 7 years. Haven’t changed the oil but twice. That’s laziness on my part but I use it for work and it just keeps working like a charm.

[@GOLTURBO555]

If your need IS 5000? Buy 8000... I bought one Westinghouse 9k... Lasted 2 years with break in, severe use. Bought 28000 Westinghouse runs até 35 percent up to 50 percent output, runs flawlessly with 6 thd on load.

[@howtodobmx6114]

I’ve had 5 it’s called a warranty

[@akbychoice]

Doesn’t anyone check those quick connects to air sure they don’t leak propane?

[@cobbdan]

Is it me or are these two units cousins? The designs are practically identical, albeit with different performance targets. Almost like they’re the same components built to the same reference design inside very slightly different skins.

[@royallen9698]

Does the Predator generator have problems when being fueled by propane at higher elevations? I'm not sure of your elevation. Thanks...

[@RockyRohde]

It comes with different jets for carb.. not 100% sure on propane

[@akbychoice]

Look for a fuel injected generator if you are frequently at different elevations.

[@pay-tray-it4897]

I've owned 2 Preditor inverters. 2000, ad 4550. I've been using the 4550 for nearly a year and a half. 5 days a week, 5 to 8 hrs daily. It'll run my soft start ac unit, lights and 3/4 hr grinder at the same time I'm gong to step up to the 5000 simply because of the remote start.

[@X-Gen14]

Interesting video..

[@NVCS707]

What kind of power system is the rv running? Screen battery’s etc

[@RockyRohde]

Victron Multiplus2 inverter with 2 400amp hour Litime. Camper also has Renogy flexible solar panels..

[@NVCS707]

@@RockyRohde thanks. How about the display/screen

[@RockyRohde]

Victron also

[@X-Gen14]

How many gallons of gasoline does the 5000 take and how many hours can run with it ?

[@lemichaeljohnson2069]

On one video here on KZbin a guy ran a full bottle of propane for 9 hrs at half load. Gas I haven’t seen yet. But I will be camping soon with my 5000 and I should know more lol

[@JustinMiller-o4h]

2.7 gallon tank of I saw it right

[@razorwired130]

Are there any > 4500 starting watt generators that will fit under a closed tonneau cover? My current gen is a 4500 Dual Fuel Champion - won't fit.

[@barrthom603]

yes check out a Champion inverter 4500...fits under my tonneau

[@toddallison4390]

Both the Predator 3500 and Predator 5000 fit under my tonneau cover.

[@razorwired130]

@@barrthom603 what model truck. My duel fuel 4500 champion inverter won't fit under my 3500 GMC Denali with a Retrax Tonneau

[@barrthom603]

@@razorwired130 GM must have a smaller bed then Ford. Fits under an F150 and F350.

[@andrewmiko2427]

Pulsar Gd400BN dual fuel 4000 watts weight 474 lbs no electric start

[@Frank-z5v]

How much the cost to run generator 24hrs on gas and how much on popane

[@dawnr6577]

I asked about this generator in a fb group and a guy with a toy hauler claims he can run all 3 ac's plus everything else all at the same time without overloaded it. I'm confused

[@Frank-z5v]

Are thse generators made to last 24hours a day

[@stevevetter8045]

What 30amp male to 50amp female Dogbone do you suggest? Link to it?

[@mikewarren4397]

Is your rv a 50 amp or 30 amp

[@rossburnham24]

Champion makes a 5500 inverter generator. I haven’t seen many videos on it. You should test it out. Price is the same as the pred 5000

[@mikegrok]

The champion has a manual choke, the hf is automatic, so I can automate it to my battery bank.

[@RVFreeDa]

I love my 5000 but it doesn’t run my air conditioner! Darn! Do you have a soft start on yours?

[@RVFreeDa]

Oh sorry I just saw you have soft starts.

[@RockyRohde]

Yes on both units

[@RVFreeDa]

@@RockyRohde Well I tried this generator on my friends exact 1992 rig and it works on his air conditioner. Not sure if he has a Soft Start. Well I’m loving it 😍! Thanks for the video again.

[@RockyRohde]

Yeah I have soft starts and it will run both of mine..

[@drlty1]

What does "soft start" mean?

[@davecart5325]

Use the Firman parallel kit, it will give you 50amps

[@badlucklazyguy]

It's a shame that the Predator 9500 doesn't come in a duel fuel model (!!!)

[@RockyRohde]

Agree and a 50 amp plug

[@AnthonyStempak]

Want to get Hoooked up for a 3500 or 5000 predator l new my Cummins p2400 212cc 4 gallons in 8hrs is way off like my truck

[@The2Time4792]

Great video

[@RockyRohde]

Thanks!

[@RogerJohnson-j9v]

i do like my 4500i cummins but the dam thing is getting to heavy and you want me to get a heavier Preditor lol

[@RockyRohde]

Predator 5000 is just enough to run both ac units with soft starts. The Cummins will not.. My rv has to have two units running minimum to keep up in Texas..

[@RogerJohnson-j9v]

@@RockyRohde ok then turn on the coffee pot with both running lol

[@RockyRohde]

Yeah that’s not gonna work 😂

[@imanoleonardo6902]

How clean is the power on predator inverter?

[@RockyRohde]

It has a clean sine wave..

[@NackDSP]

It's sad that Onan sold horrible generators that have been installed in RVs for the last 20 years.

[@IDirtbike]

So it looks like your victron does the same as mine. When you had yours set to 15 amp pull it was only pulling like 1100ish wattts but 15 amps is 1800 watts. For mine it seems to get stuck around the 12-13qmp mark. Meaning it should pull 1440 watts at 12 amps but mine would only pull like 800 or so. But as soon as I change it to 13 amps the wattage jumps way up like it was stuck between wattages. Seems like the victron has some weird stuff going on that maybe someone can help explain to me?

[@rpsmith]

is your firmware up to date on all your Victron equipment?

[@IDirtbike]

Yes it is. Been doing it ever since I got it

[@rpsmith]

@@IDirtbike -- have you posted your problem on the Victron forum? Those guys are very helpful and a Victron person is often involved in the answers as well.

[@rpsmith]

@@IDirtbike -- how about your GX device's firmware? also, are you running a MP2 inverter?

[@IDirtbike]

@@rpsmithonly thing I have is the multiplus 3000 and the Bluetooth dongle. I believe they’re both up to date on firmware. I just figured it’s just the way these things were. ESP after seeing this guys acting the same way mine does

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

What are the Cummings cost

[@RockyRohde]

1100-1300 last time I looked

[@Lumpia_In_Texas]

It's just a Westinhouse clone. Made in the same Chinese factory

[@hifisalty25]

You must have easy start on your ACs

[@RockyRohde]

Yes I do…

[@hifisalty25]

​@RockyRohde you can run 50amp on that 9500 see it all the time

[@russellwhite8890]

Storage is more than likely a problem, but I would rather have two generators linked together, than to have one generator so if there was a problem, you’d still have some electricity if you were Boondocking. But that’s a nervous nanny talking ha ha

[@barrylenoble6705]

Add the Hughes Transformer

[@Kolsch221]

Cummins turbo!!

[@josephbailey1995]

We know how to open a box.

[@davidwgreen2403]

cant hear you

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

Want to buy a generator for the house in case we have a long long power outage when we go camping we go camping

[@lemichaeljohnson2069]

Then you will need to figure out how big of one you need. Do you have central ac? Or window units. For a house you are going to need a 8000 watter for sure if you have a big house. If you don’t care to much about ac or use a window unit to cool down a room or two in the summer ( Which is what I do) then yes a 5000 will work limiting things running while start up occurs. Like I don’t run the ac and the microwave at the same time. I think it could handle it but I prefer to do it just in case

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

Why go anywhere just stay in your driveway and do all that stuff you got to go someplace else to do it?

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

What happened to going out camping anymore the trailer air conditioning shower all those computer crap microwave oven give me a break that's not camping😢 come camping with me hope you have a good backpack

[@josephfisher2203]

No one cares what you think. It’s their money. They can spend it how they choose.

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

@@josephfisher2203 you go camping to go camping that's not camping. And who cares what you think ?

[@lemichaeljohnson2069]

Well my wife won’t do back pack camping so for her I have to have ac lol. But I do like to tent camp when the nights are cool. I can’t do hot weather camping anymore

[@BOB12349307]

theres no way i would depend on a harbor freight generator in a power outage!

[@lemichaeljohnson2069]

Not sure why you say that. Many people have several thousand hours on theirs with no issue.

[@BOB12349307]

i do see a lot of them on the food trucks at work and they are super quiet.@@lemichaeljohnson2069

[@waltstephenson7176]

First off the 3900 watt rating is on propane🤦‍♂️

[@RockyRohde]

Said that in the beginning of the video..

[@thecalledout7]

All I heard was 97 percent of video was the harbor freight generator.

[@COCH813]

Predator 500 Is garbage i do not recommend I had to switch back to reliable brand cummins 4500

[@Gsxrtrix]

Why is it garbage? Thinking about buying.

[@kc2213]

@@Gsxrtrix because the predator is cheap CHINEESE garbage. The cummins is made in freedom lovin AMERICA!

[@lemichaeljohnson2069]

Several people have had great luck and several thousand hours on theirs. Not sure if you just had a bad one

[@n.b.p.davenport7066]

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