Prehistoric Breakdown: Saurophaganax

[@TheFoshaMan]

I love it when stories have continuations :3

[@trethomas9202]

Saurophaganax is a cool Dinosaur and needs some more recognition so this video is really awesome and cool

[@Bothofoneperson]

Amazing video glad to see saurophaganax in one of your vids . I hope to see torvosaurus in one.

[@DinoNerd208]

Your videos are great! the stories at the beginning are very entertaining and the information part is amazing too

[@forrestannis909]

Anything on Sonorasaurus? Quite little information on that dinosaur.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

And now this video is officially obsolete. The genus Saurphaganax Maximus has now been officially declared nomen dubium, the holotype parts declared to be more akin to sauropod fossils, and the later Allosaurid fossils declared to be a new species, Allosaurus anax.

[@01Snax]

def the worst year for saurophaganax

[@shahinarahaque2071]

I just wanna say, dinosaurs couldn't roar. They didn't have the voice structure to produce roars.

[@2freezing]

I agree, I think they made sounds similar to what crocs and gators make

[@william3100]

Crocodiles and alligators CAN roar, though. Lion and tiger-like roars are not the only things that can be classified as roars in nature.

[@coomsday5182]

​@@william3100exactly my thoughts. Eventhough roaring is a so called "mammalian trait", that doesn't neceserally mean that other animals don't roar in a different sense.

[@BlazinAllosaurus]

Though most likely true we don't know that for a fact at all. Soft tissues like the vocal cords didn't fossilize so trying to say that for a fact is very misleading.

[@JurassicDaikaiju]

1st saw this guy in Dinosaur King Anime or not, still badass

[@MrMalvolio29]

I agree with the quite well-founded opinion among many respected paleontologists that the so-called “Saurophaganax”--which has always been at least to a *significant* degree, a *hypothetical* construct based on extraordinarily fragmentary and supposedly “rare” fossil evidence--is *not* a separate, “new” species of giant Late Jurassic therapod predator at all; it was merely, if the way the questionable fossil evidence has been interpreted is correct and it existed at all, it was merely an abnormally large Allosaurus with a few cosmetic skeletal peculiarities that *certainly* don’t differ from Allosaurus fossil evidence *so* significantly as to qualify as morphological distinctions between *two* separate but obviously related species. Claiming that “the rarity of Saurophaganax fossil evidence indicates that the predator must have been a RARE ANIMAL” solves nothing, as it is based on the logical argumentative fallacy of *hysteron proton,* which means that one puts *first* what should logically come last--in other words, when one commits this argumentative logical fallacy, one begins one’s “argument” by groundlessly ASSUMING the **very thing one is theoretically attempting to prove.** This, sadly, is **yet another** example of paleontologists discovering fossils that at first *appear* to have unusual features, and then jumping to wild, huge, hastily generalised conclusions because of the notorious paleontological ego’s insatiable NEED to get credit for supposedly “discovering a new species of dinosaur.” Nothing more.

[@thegamingspino2597]

You should do barsbolia if you haven’t already

[@CyBromancer7562]

Heeeyyyy, Raptor Rex, Whaaaat's happenin? Yeaahh Hi, I'm gonna need you to do a breakdown of the Chilesaurus, mmkay? Yeaahh, apparently Its a, uh, plant-eating "platypus" dino which may in fact be the, um, missing link between the Saurischians and Ornithiscians, making it one of the most basal dino species? If you could get that in for me in the near future that would be terriiiiific. Great, thaaanks!

[@raptorrex3954]

I'll see what I can do for that request. (And yes all the ones you've made previously as well mate.)

[@CyBromancer7562]

​@@raptorrex3954 mmkay, lol. You definitely don't have to do every species I've requested, as some may be similar to others. Just one member per family or subfamily is totally fine.

[@maozilla9149]

nice video

[@kylecollier7569]

Honestly, I don't mind Saurophaganax being either a basal Carcharodontosaurid or a larger Genus of Allosaurid within Allosauridae. I always figured it was either of those two options. I mean looking at the reconstructed skull in the Sam Noble Oklahoma Museum of Natural History, it looks either like a Carcharodontosaurid or a transitionary form between Allosaurus Fragilis and what could've been THE first Carcharodontosaurid from North America during the Late Jurassic but became extinct before that could "come to fruition". After all the Genus Allosaurus lived in North America for 10 million years (neverminding the species A. Europaeus that probably lived through the rest of the Jurassic Period in Portugal), so why shouldn't the namesake of the family Allosauridae have another species that probably evolved from it? Granted yes we'd need more specimens and use phylogenetic bracketing to fill in the gaps, but even so the bones we have of it date to only 151 or 150 million years ago so something definitely happened as A. Jimmadseni (the oldest species of the Genus) evolved into A. Fragilis but perhaps also evolved into a new Genus entirely. It's not impossible for that to be the case, but as I've already said we'd need more proof regardless of new papers because that always change too.

[@justinetherton5777]

Personally, I believe it’s it’s own species

[@joeyjo-joshabadu9636]

Its not at all unreasonable to believe that there could be two species of allosaurus in the same region, when you consider that leopards and tigers(or lions if you like) belong to the same genus and coexist through different predator niches. Also consider that a tiger is about 4 to 5x the size of a leopard, so who knows how big the saurophaganax/allosaurus maximus could've gotten???

[@dagoodboy6424]

Currently saurophaganax was reclassified as a charcarodontosaurid. Makes alot more sense as to why was so large. Also i think the cera revenge thing is going a bit too far. And it is almost certan theropods couldnt roar. And more so that they didnt hunt in groups.

[@gorgoaku4444]

Wait what? That doesn’t make any sense, especially considering the oldest charcarodontosaurid lived 150-154 mya *in Tanzania* so uhhh *w e i r d*

[@dagoodboy6424]

@@gorgoaku4444 🤷‍♂️🦖

[@Why79-dx4rf]

​@@dagoodboy6424source for saurophaganax being a carcharodontosaurid?

[@dagoodboy6424]

@@Why79-dx4rf ill get back 2 u for def sources. but it was stated in a more recent EDGE channal video. So thats pretty reputable. Many older websites and papers therized this aswell. Personally idk what i think bout this. Try to search it if u can Heres 1.psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2023/05/saurophaganax-is-carcharodontosaurid.html?m=1#:~:text=This%20author%20proposes%20a%20different,at%20once%20or%20by%20professionals.

[@Distix-uz8qr]

⁠@@Why79-dx4rfsimilarities to acrocanthosaurus mainly and because 7shot the person with acces to most snap material believes soo it could be a basil carcharadontosaurid

[@BDsatratraleague23]

Saurophaganax isn't 4 tons or 13 meters. Saurophaganax is 12.9 meters long & weights 8.3 tonnes. It's currently the 6th largest carnivorous dinosaur and the king of Jurassic

[@neganrex5693]

T-Rex should be number since it was found to be the heavier animal.

[@7reasons617]

Rex is the largest by a ton or 2 at max weight.

[@william3100]

There is no true evidence confirming any of this. One single not well understood leg bone doesn't indicate anything. All reliable sources currently say saurophaganax was at best 4 to 5 tons, and 12 meters long.

[@BDsatratraleague23]

​@@william3100yeah 12 meters long ( 12.8 meters) but weights much higher at 8.3 tonnes

[@rich2435]

Woo-Hoo!

[@b_radbrad8899]

I personally believe Saurophaganax was probably just a large sub species of allosaurus or was a genus. It’s definitely not it’s own thing imo. correction now it’s a chimera. also, i’m kind of a Normie when it comes to dinosaur stuff as I’ve been outside of the community for almost 13+ years. Please be patient with me.

[@b_radbrad8899]

@@gorgoaku4444 that’s still up for debate. Anything can and will change in this field

[@gorgoaku4444]

@@b_radbrad8899 i was talking about your terminology, if it was a genus then it would be its own thing

[@Distix-uz8qr]

@@b_radbrad8899sauro has many distinguishing feature that allo lacked to distinguish itself from allosaurus

[@BDsatratraleague23]

Saurophaganax is definitely a valid genus and it's own thing.

[@e.ggamerguy5793]

@@BDsatratraleague23Not DEFINITELY, but very likely (Sauro probably isn’t allo, it’s just that most reconstructions base it off allo due to sauros fragmentary fossils)

[@unknownsoldier9821]

whos here from PE?

[@RWDOWNPOUR]

Me lol