6.1 How to make an eye in double braided Polyester rope

[@JSROOKS]

Also, I am realizing that I need to mount a cleat somewhere in my kitchen. Didn't realize that I didn't have one. The comment about needing a secure source to pull on is quite valid. Thanks again!

[@tribulia43]

BRAVO!! LA MIGLIORE SPIEGAZIONE TROVATA IN RETE DI COME SI FA UNA IMPIOMBATURA SENZA MOLTE E INUTILI SPIEGAZIONI. COMPLIMENTI.

[@carllove3705]

I used to do this in the Navy for the ships I was stationed on. Only I would have been doing this splice on 6 inch nylon mooring lines.

[@billleskeep2033]

Excellent. I was able to succeed on the 2nd attempt. Once I got to the final step of pulling on the eyelet I didn't realize how much tension was needed. Once I increased the pull with the left hand while secured to a vise on work table, was able to milk the outer core and see it ingress into the stem of the wrap. Amazing to see it move. The entire piece is super tight and solid. Thanks for the demo. Oh, and thanks for not putting music in it. That would have driven me to drink. Awesome video.

[@blondewoman1]

I don't understand, how can it be solid ? Why does it not undo itself when you pull a heavy charge on the eye ?

[@konradritter7543]

@@blondewoman1 do you know those Chinese finger traps? Similar system, everything thightens on itself when load is applied.

[@hassanharrison3986]

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[@nikolaiarchie4869]

@Hassan Harrison Instablaster ;)

[@hassanharrison3986]

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[@patrickhazlehurst8472]

Very clear and a very neat result. I see eyes like this in climbing lanyards on which a climber will be resting his weight. Can you tell me if such eyes can be made in climbing rope by the amateur and trusted? I would say that they are only for semi static loading in such cases, not dynamic loading, for instance in the case of a fall.

[@williamc4968]

These splices are a pain, thank you for not making it upside down with screwed up music, like the previous video

[@spoaus0002006]

Thanks heaps guys, so much easier to follow than others I've tried. I'm replacing all the running rigging on my sailboat and wanted to get away from the lazy splices and Bowlines........😀👍

[@СергейШилов-е9д]

Хороший способ. Сделал так на шнуре 10мм. Поднимал груз 100кг. Совершенно легко получилось, и не распуталось

[@lllovegunlll7907]

А у вас есть такой набор игл?

[@СергейШилов-е9д]

@@lllovegunlll7907 ,нет. Не было. Из подручных средств делал. (Сварочная проволока 1мм, + вязальный крючок.

[@kevinJmadsen]

The double braided climbing line I have seems to have a weave that is far too tight for this type of splicing as I find separating the fibers to get at the inner cord much too difficult to accomplish.

[@Premiumropes]

Yes, for climbing there can be different techniques and not all ropes can be spliced

[@Speakssoftly12]

Okay, but not tapering the core resulted in a bump, which could cause problems when running through a sheave. You should determine where the core will be buried in the splice and cut alternating pairs of stands of the cover so there is a nice transition from normal line diameter to the thicker spliced area.

[@otm646]

In what possible application are you going to be running this type of eye splice through a sheave? This isn't a reeving splice.

[@Christopher-lr8qi]

Speakssoftly is correct….core should be tapered. When a halyard is run up the mast the splice is often times close enough and sometimes does enter a block or masthead sheave.

[@seadeebee2919]

Not one of the hundreds of videos about these splices actually explains HOW to pass the core and fid effectively through the rope. It is absolutely near impossible I have tried so many times.

[@Premiumropes]

Hi Colin, I understand your fustration. In case ropes are too tightly braided by the manufacturer splicing is not possible or requires special tools like a softfid (www.premiumropes.com/softfid) for pasing the core beyond the other core. You should start with a rope which is not too tight. In case you are interested, we give online courses on splicing. In 2 sessions you learn this splice and also seral others. You will for sure be succesfull in making this splice. Prior to the course you receive the practice ropes from us and from home join the live webinar, see: www.premiumropes.com/online-workshop-splicing-modern-ropes

[@ralphbell1786]

Thank you; much more clear than other videos.

[@JSROOKS]

Excellent video. Thank you. The only thing I would add is a note about where exactly the core is inserted back into the cover. There is no mark where that is done. It looks as though it's very very close to where the cover inserts into the core, but it would be helpful if that was stated clearly. Just a thought. Thanks again.

[@Premiumropes]

The core goes back on the transition point

[@richardhall4093]

done first go - 8mm double braid using 5mm aluminium knitting needle cut to roughly 20cm length, even put a swivel hook on the end. Awesome easy to follow vid cheers

[@Premiumropes]

Thanks for your kind comment!

[@Stef.45]

Great tutorial. What if I would like to taper the core so the finish looks neater? At what point should I do that?

[@fanchandfamily8605]

Can i do the same splice with a dyneema core ? Why do we have to do another method? Thank you so much for your videos !!

[@Premiumropes]

For single Dyneema cores we have another instruction video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6HLkGajprWYlaM

[@solviks6879]

Спасибо. А надо петлю еще усилить? Например прошить или ниткой плотно обмотать?

[@Premiumropes]

Это возможно, но не обязательно

[@claudiomancaniello6115]

Hello I have a question. I bought from you ropes and Selma fids. At the minute 4:22 you push the fid with the core inside the rope. Honestly I find your videos brilliant and I am able to follow each step till this one. My fid with the core just don’t go through the rope I have to use an inhuman strength and get stuck. Do you have any tips?? Thank you in advance for your time

[@Premiumropes]

Most of the time the needles might get stuck in the core at this specific point. If you can pull the core you know that the needles is running free from it. Try to do this step carefully. Its easy to get stuck at this point. We do show how to manage this situation in our webinar. Feel free to join www.premiumropes.com/splicing-rope/webinar/splicing-modern-ropes-theme

[@johnhaughey5347]

I had more success pulling it thro with a D splicing needle

[@HGR2470]

Hi! Thank you very much for your videos. I have a question : why do we splice differently polyester than dyneema? Wouldn't be better (in term of strength) to splice polyester with the dyneema splicing technique? Thanks a lot for your answer!

[@Premiumropes]

The balans of the construction is different. This construction of polyester ropes(in general) is 50% core and 50% cover. The material has the same strength. The ropes are spliced accordingly. You need the cover to be part of the strenght. Ropes with a Dyneema core are different in balans and the core is much stronger. That's why the splices are different.

[@HGR2470]

@@Premiumropes thanks a lot for your fast answer! :-)

[@zonianinexile]

Best yet

[@ZacVaper]

Nice job. A taper cut on the last cut of the core would have made for a smoother transition tho.

[@fabriciobarros2005]

Parabéns. Sou marinheiro e apaixonado por nós e costuras. Quero fazer em cabos grossos, o senhor pode me ensinar

[@Premiumropes]

Which rope diameter do you want to splice?

[@jmschreiner]

Do you need to whip the end?

[@maceratorman]

After 2 rubbish videos this one was easy an correct with no frayed edges

[@TheJavierTrejo]

What’s the “needle” tool you are using called?

[@martin5504]

You need to say what size fid for what size rope. I learned through some frustrating errors but thanks anyway.

[@dutchflats]

Much, much easier looking here than when you try to do it yourself the first time!

[@marcelbron6128]

yup!! or the second or third time for that matter! This is a real old school skill

[@CorbettMessa]

What size fid would I need to eye splice a 1/4 inch double braid rope? I think 1/4 inch is about 6.35 mm. thanks

[@Premiumropes]

We'd use a 5.5 fid!

[@dakarmgbgloria4313]

Gracias por compartir, me quedo bien, cuerda con cadena de ancla.

[@Bammerdreng]

Is this strong enough for a halyard for the mainsail if you use polyester? or do you need more "inside" to secure it?

[@Premiumropes]

depending a bit on the size of the boat, but for bigger boats we really recommend a halyard with a superfiber core!

[@Bammerdreng]

@@Premiumropes I see, Its a 27 foot boat, and the rope is double braid polyester and should hold 1700kg UNspliced. So I guess If I do it like you show in this vid. It should hold 90% of that with an Eye splice?

[@RopeActionProject]

I would like to know what is proportion of the eye WLL of this method according to rope WLL.

[@razorsharpbt7666]

What is the approximate percentage of strength of this eye compared to the original line? Thank you!

[@Premiumropes]

That would be above 90%.

[@SailingMowzer]

hi, when i have pulled the core through i have discovered the core is 3 strand not braided. how can i make and eye in that?

[@Premiumropes]

There is a different technique for those type of ropes. In our splicing app this technique is explained(instruction 2.2). You can download the app for free. www.premiumropes.com/splicing-rope/splicing-app

[@marinheirodeprimeira]

Essas ferramentas existem no brasil? Obrigado

[@Premiumropes]

infelizmente, é muito difícil de enviar para o Brasil, desculpe!

[@forrestallison1879]

Is this strong? You dont need to like splice the cores together strand by strand or something?

[@danielrock5669]

I certainly wouldn't trust this to use to pull anything. The only strength in the rope now is the outer jacket.

[@khlego]

Great video! Can I ask one question - Can you use this spilce with double braided dyneema core rope? Thanks

[@Premiumropes]

No, for Dyneema there is a different splice as the strength of the ropes mainly comes down to the core, whereas with polyester ropes the strength comes from both the core and cover. This is the link to the Dyneema eye-splice! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpjOd55uebumpa8

[@khlego]

@@Premiumropes Thank you for the reply! That makes sense thank you. So this splice would probably come undone if you used it for double braided Dyneema, because the core wouldn't be buried enough into the rope?

[@khlego]

@@Premiumropes I have your really good splicing book as well and for the covered Dyneema loop splice it uses thin rope. Why do you use lots of loops of thin rope over a single loop of thicker rope? Thanks

[@ronaldalbers6794]

I just made a splice in 10mm dockflex dubbelbraided but had lots of trouble getting the core through the cover and even more trouble milking te cover over the 2 cores. Any tips on that?

[@Premiumropes]

This splice works for every double braid polyester. When it's diffficult to get the core into the cover you could use a D-Splicer pulling needle. When it's difficult to milk the cover just hit the splice with a hammer a few times. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqa6pmSFislmjqs

[@RustyKnorr]

It seems like a really short distance is spliced, wouldn’t a longer fid provide a longer and safer splice?

[@Premiumropes]

There is a ratio between the fid and the rope. We use a bigger fid if the rope diameter increases. The needle used in the video is in balance with the diameter of the rope.

[@RustyKnorr]

But I wasn’t asking about the diameter of the fid, I was asking about length. Essentially, a longer fid would bury the splice longer and create a more secure splice, wouldn’t it?

[@Premiumropes]

A longer fid will indeed bury the splice longer but there is a maximum effectiveness. Therefore we advice to follow the length of the Selma fid which suits best to the diameter of the rope.

[@leviflorentino8618]

Ótimo mesmo obrigado 😸😸

[@florianwilhelm1493]

This splice is just beautiful (I am an absolute beginner). Would like to use it on a double braided 12mm polypropylene rope (1450 daN) that I want to use on a swing? Will the splice withstand the forces while swinging? Is it safe or should I use another technique.

[@Premiumropes]

The cover to core strength ratio is roundabout 40/60. So it's very important you splice the cover aswell. Use larged fid possible.

[@videoassisthungary]

Hi! How to do this with only the core of the polyester rope? I want to taper the outside down of the last few meters to save weight and only put the eye on the core.

[@Premiumropes]

You could do it like in video 7.1/7.2 . Only polyester is a lot less strong then a Dyneema or Stirotex fiber. So we would advice not to do this with Polyester because the breaking straight is drastically reduced. so we would advice keeping the cover, or go to a Stirotex or Dyneema rope.

[@GeorgeExT]

That looks nice. Although I do have a question... Why the complicated "remove core from cover-insert the cover into the core" etc and not just pull the end of the rope through an loosened point of the core and help it slide in ?

[@Premiumropes]

George for a double braided polyester rope the strength ratio is roughly 40-60, so 40% for the cover and 60% for the core. So you have to splice both in order to retain as much of the original break load. Whereas with double braided Dyneema ropes the core alone gives 90% of the total strength

[@GeorgeExT]

Premium Ropes wow those numbers are impressive! I had no idea there was so much "give" in them 😳

[@mykolajMykolaj]

Hi,Premiumropes!Like your videos about splicing.Sorry for my English,I'm from Ukraine.Explaine to me the difference between sizes in your method and Samson.This is about pull cover into the core.1) 1 fid+3/4fid ; 2)1 short fid+(1fid+1short fid).What the Samson method will be stronger?I don't think so.

[@Premiumropes]

We use the Selma fits. The size(length) of these fits are related to the diameter of the rope and length of the splice. The sizes vary from 11,5cm to 28,5cm. Splices will be strong enough when using the Selma fids and related sizes.

[@farmland-life]

Hi, Thanks for the video, I succeeded to make an eye splice. Do you know how I could thicken the eye diameter? Is it possible to remove some core from the eye? Thanks!

[@Premiumropes]

Great work with the splice. What do you exactly mean with 'thicken the eye diameter'?

[@farmland-life]

@@Premiumropes Thank you! I would like to attach a carabiner to a horse lead rope that's why. I have seen ropes with the eye looking like a flat braid. Do you know about it?

[@Premiumropes]

Yes , we know the flat braid. Usually these ropes are without core. Is it possible to send a picture to [e-mail]?

[@seanrucker5453]

I'm going to be doing this with3/4" diameter rope. any recommendations on fid size? its my first attempt at this

[@Premiumropes]

We recommend to use the 13mm Selma needle. www.premiumropes.com/selma-individual-needles

[@paulo4837]

What are the two different size fids you are using?

[@Premiumropes]

Here we use our Selma splicing needles in 5,5mm and 7,5mm!

[@pidotherhotpotatoes3127]

Hi. What about Diamond Braid Polypropylene rope? It has some white stuff as it's core but the core is not braided. I followed your instructions and for my first it is not too shabby. But was forced to improvise when pushing the cover through the core. There must be a better way.

[@Premiumropes]

Paul For a core that is not braided you have to taper the cover and splice it back. www.premiumropes.com/splicing-app

[@cazman38]

How big can I make the loop with your tool? Would I be able to make a loop about 12" long?

[@Premiumropes]

Yes you can. The size of the Selma fid depends on the diameter of the rope, not on the length of the eye.

[@csjmoore]

This probably is a dumb question but is it the same procedure with double braid nylon? Anyway the video makes it look easy.

[@Premiumropes]

Yes, you can use this for double braided nylon as well

[@rgsparber1]

What do you do if the core is so small that it can't pass the cover? I'm trying to form a loop in 5/32" diameter rope.

[@Premiumropes]

Splicing diameters can be difficult. Depending on the brand and tyoe of rope it's possible to do so. However not for all ropes.

[@jimvanroosmalen6746]

Is using one fid (10mm) enough to use on an 11mm rope? I'm looking into buying fid and they're quite expensive, so if I can I'd like to only buy one

[@Premiumropes]

Hi Jim, 10 mm would be fine in this case. We sell them per piece: www.premiumropes.com/selma-individual-needles

[@hyde4787]

8mm hollow knitting needle cut on a 70 angle tp Fid length works well

[@7oney]

Hello Thanks for the video. If we want to add a clip or something onto the splice. At which point do we add that?

[@Premiumropes]

Just after setting all the marks and before putting the needle in the rope

[@billy19461]

Who was the genius that figured out how to do all of this?

[@MrWhothefoxthat]

the Viking's.

[@Trapezius8oblique]

This is so helpful thanks

[@Premiumropes]

Glad it was helpful!

[@lalolopez1702]

How much of the rope streng does the eye precerve?

[@Premiumropes]

When done properly, an eye-splice will only reduce the rope strength by 5-10%.

[@sevenhornets]

Is the technique the same with paracord? Probably smaller tool I imagine.

[@Premiumropes]

Please refer to special paracord channels and websites, as this is not our specialty....

[@AYALARAMON100]

Nice video

[@joacoolgi00]

Hi how are you ? good job! thanks for sharing!. I want to ask you what type of rope you use, in order to acquire it. Thanks a lot!

[@Premiumropes]

We use a double braid polyester rope. In the video we use our Dockline (www.premiumropes.com/dockline) and that is for mooring. If you have other purposes, you could also use our Cruiser XTS rope for this splice: www.premiumropes.com/cruiser-xts

[@rongwong4898]

will i be able to splice a double braided rope with factor 55's fast fid?

[@Premiumropes]

We never used this fid before. Looks like it's made special for winchlines. You might be able depending on the diameter, but it seems that the fid is a bit long for splicing double braided ropes.

[@rongwong4898]

@@Premiumropes hi there, thank you for your reply, I notice that you do use the fid length as a marker for the rope but does the actual length of the fid matter?

[@rongwong4898]

@@Premiumropes also, can you tell me what is the difference between the fids with both ends opened (like the ones you used in the video) and the Samson fids where it has only the back end opened?

[@Premiumropes]

There is a ratio between the size of the fid and the rope. We use a bigger fid if the rope diameter increases. The Selma needles, like used in the video, are in balance with this ratio. The length of the fid determines the length of the splice. While splicing the actual length is less important. A long needle however isn’t always practical depending on the size of the rope and eye. The difference between the fids is the way in which the ropes is attached to the fid. We prefer the Selma fids because it’s easy to put the line into the fid and you can use them without a pusher. Both fids will do the job.

[@ADORABARCELONA]

Nice video, but my rope has a parallel threads, not braided cover, so what video can I see to use for my kind of rope?

[@Premiumropes]

We do not have a video for that, but if you download our Rope Splicing App: refer to tuturial 2.3. It is also explained in the book "Splicing modern ropes" www.premiumropes.com/splicingmodernropes

[@Premiumropes]

That method is described in our app "Rope Splicing" and in the book "Splicing Modern Ropes"published by Bloomsbury. www.premiumropes.com/splicing-rope/splicing-tools/splicingmodernropes

[@tonyschnulle6557]

Cool

[@vincentlabruzzo5368]

Definitely should taper more. Splice would be smoother

[@danielrock5669]

I'm not sure everyone is going to be able to easily pull that much slack of the core through. I guess it's fine for short ropes.

[@janiomacedo1]

can you make these 2mm rope lashing?

[@Premiumropes]

Do you need a 2mm rope lashing with eye-splice?

[@CraftingDepths]

at 4:05, where does the core go into the cover? at mark A?

[@Premiumropes]

No. Take one step back where you pull the cover from C to D. When that is done, you then just close thereafter (where the cover stops) insert the needle with the core. In this video you see that it is a couple of centimers afway from mark A

[@andyca15]

@@Premiumropes Sorry but unless you go back in at Point A you don't get an eye the size you measured out in the first instance. I'm trying to do this to include a thimble and it's too big every time using these instructions.

[@Premiumropes]

@@andyca15 It really depends what kind of ropes you use. Some ropes have more slack between the core and the cover. In that case you'll end up with a smaller eye. Depending of the rope the amount of slack you have to use can change.

[@bfett68]

Still not getting it. At the end you cut about 2 inch of core. Where did corresponding piece of cover go?

[@Premiumropes]

That is just because the cover and core are not used exactly alongside.

[@bfett68]

Got it! Mighty pull on the eye did it

[@MsDormy]

I think it is because the cover has to go round a double-sized diameter, at the point just before the eye of the splice, so what it uses up in diameter it loses in length.

[@wesbirdwell4040]

How would you put a chain on the splice?

[@Premiumropes]

you could splice a rope like this to the last link of a chain, For a anchor chain for example.

[@michaelsettevendemie4946]

Where do you find finds like that?

[@Premiumropes]

www.premiumropes.com/selma-splicing-needles

[@vitaliyg3516]

👍

[@chamness964]

I have 150' 7/16 velocity cool arborist line. Double braid. And I want to splice a tight eye in it. Can I please get instructions please??

[@1bottlefed]

Do not follow these instructions, go to sampsons site and use their instructions. It will be a hell of a lot harder, as you will have to weave the strands of the core, but you will not plunge to your death!

[@jamesmillar1128]

I have a halyard line, good for rope clutches - simply neasrly impossible to pass the core back - and then once you've done that, there is absolutely NO WAY the cover within the core is goping to slit past it to complete the splice. NO WAY. Three attempts. Even used a hammer on the fid to get it through. Is there another video ? You know, the real life video on tighter weave rope..

[@Premiumropes]

Hi, the technique is the same for tighter braided ropes. But not all ropes can be spliced. For some it's even impossible. The same applies for used ropes.

[@kodycooper4250]

How do you know what size fid to use?

[@Premiumropes]

Take a fid of the same diameter as the rope. If the rope fits into a smaller size fid, that works even better. www.premiumropes.com/selma-splicing-needles

[@ihtruelsen]

How do you avoid locking the core? I seem to be good up to the point where I run the core back through, but it seems to bind at that point. I think this is likely due to me running the core through the rest of the core as I work it through. How does one avoid this, as I can't see where the fid is going?

[@Premiumropes]

Could it be that you accidently picked up a few fibres of the core with your splicing fids? We always advise to slide the smooth side of the fid along the core to avoid that. Another option is to use a Softfid for this step (www.premiumropes.com/softfid )

[@Neilhoh3]

So, this is dyneema?Same?

[@Premiumropes]

For a double braided line with Dyneema there is another splice instruction. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpjOd55uebumpa8

[@Bluecollar711]

Can you lock stitch with “dental floss”????????

[@Premiumropes]

We have waxed polyester whipping twine available here. www.premiumropes.com/splicing-rope/splicing-tools/whipping-twine

[@chrisnas4]

You said take the core our of the cover at point B then later on you pull the core out at a completely different point B!

[@masterpthebear]

What is locking the core?

[@Premiumropes]

Peter there is no actual lock. The tension on the loop will hold the splice in place or in extreme cases even makes the loop a little smaller. To keep the loop into place withouit any tension you put a whipping on there.

[@masterpthebear]

I guess I should rephrase - I know there is no actual lock. What does it mean 'to lock the core'? At 4:45

[@Premiumropes]

That means that you have accidently picked up the original core with the fid. So the two cores can't slide next to eachother

[@masterpthebear]

Ah... That explains why it was nearly impossible for me to pull my last fid through last week. I just powered through, which seems to have made the working of the splice into is final shape much more difficult too.

[@seadeebee2919]

Almost impossible to pass the fid through

[@joannajoyheinrich6644]

Which tools did you use?

[@Premiumropes]

We use Selma needles for this splice: www.premiumropes.com/selma-splicing-needles

[@nonobebert7646]

Good splice but the cleat knot is wrong !

[@womackke]

its called a cleat hitch, and he did it pretty much perfectly especially for a loose cleat on a desk for illustration purposes

[@AD-gu4ju]

What size fid would I purchase to splice 5/8” double braided polyester?

[@Premiumropes]

We would recommend the 13mm Selma needle, this is the largest needle in the set of 5 (we also sell them separately) www.premiumropes.com/selma-splicing-needles

[@danielkoch8401]

I've always found point A superfluous

[@garyinner6543]

Did he do that correctly? Mark A would not line up with mark B. For it to do so, the cover would need to be buried into the core up to mark A..

[@Premiumropes]

Mark B nicely ends up with point A. In order to reach this cover is put into the core from point C' to point D'. For all measurements the same fid size should be used. This is a very good and strong way to make the splice. There are some variations existing to this technique.

[@jeremyhopf3301]

much better than that other one with the crappy music

[@rubbadubclub]

that fid looks the wrong size for that diameter of rope...

[@Premiumropes]

the size of the fid indeed depends on the diameter of the rope but also on the braiding.

[@edshuttleworth1549]

HANDS GOT IN THE WAY

[@antientdude1100]

should of showed a bigger eye..

[@Premiumropes]

You can make the eye as large as you like.

[@PoChingWun]

it is not safe !

[@knife640]

What size Fid should i use for a 1" rope?

[@1964Moondog]

Is this possible with an 8 mm rope?

[@Premiumropes]

Yes for sure!

[@johnhaughey5347]

What about 6mm?

[@joecapers6743]

What size fid should I use for 3/4" rope?

[@Premiumropes]

That would be size 13