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[@TheAverageSome1]

I honestly think it dove into the perspective of how Americans are. The guy who took his photo saw him as a trend, his roommates although tried, had a sense of higher being than him since they already been Americanized. Lin was treating him like a school project nothing but curiosity. None of of his interactions ever felt genuine. The woman from the Colombia was the only one I felt had any real connection with him.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

That's a really great take. The American's he interacted with saw him mostly as a novelty that could be rejected with ease and the one person who he connects with was the Colombian woman but she ends up rejecting him as well in favor of looking out for herself. Great subtle commentary on America as a whole.

[@jamesmata2945]

Exactly. You can tell that, that woman felt for him a lil.

[@albertoguerra3995]

When you say the Colombian woman was looking out for herself. Do you mean she didn't want him to be her problem and kept looking for her whenever he needed help?

[@marcelinolopez4015]

Great break down

[@englishclub5043]

Great perspective...

[@lilisomething6882]

The relationship between Ulysses and Lin ended because Ulysses realized that she is only taking interest in him as a subject of curiosity. She is interested in him bc she finds him amusing. Thats why she is telling her friends about him and tells him she wants him to go to a party her friends so she could exhibit him and thus making her a more interesting person.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

💯

[@whyamihere6522]

So she was just using him?

[@EsteVatoLoco]

Lin said that her friends were asking about Ulises and that now they were inviting her to parties. He was a curiosity to her and her friends.

[@ModestGamer84]

She definitely used him to gain some type of popularity.

[@PassengerMX]

FYI most of the kids are non-actors. You can see them being the real-deal at the very end of the movie.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

They're super talented. Reminds me of the non-actors in the movie Roma.

[@horaciosalinas8145]

Yup i grow up in that time and that era in Monterrey ! I grow up in La Colonia Moderna ! And it waz just like that but more dangerous than that even before 2015 it all start back in 90's

[@neddam6663]

@@horaciosalinas8145 I live right down la colonia independencia, I live in la colonia nuevo repueblo and that's how things are xD jaja

[@horaciosalinas8145]

@@neddam6663 ya sabes

[@thhbere]

Hi! I really enjoyed hearing your views on the film. But I think you may have missed some key elements about the political context of the story that this films portrays, which are important to understand what's going on. During the film, specifically during the scenes of the radio station, we hear some "official messages" of the government given my the former president of Mexico Felipe Calderón, whose well know for having begun the "War against drugs" in Mexico, which was basically a military intervention to fight Narcos throughout mexican territory. This strategy was highly critiziced because violence not only did not diminish but it actually escalated during those years. Some practices that emerged during those violent years was the recruitment of really young man, essentially kids, into drug cartels. In the film we see this phenomenon, kids with big guns that ride a truck are not members of a gang, they are young "sicarios", members of a drug cartel. At one moment we see these little kids kidnapping Ulises and his older friend, threatening them with guns while "inviting" the to go work with them and teasing them about their way of dressing. In another scene we see one young sicario invading Ulises gang territory at the outside of a school. While Ulises and his gang decide not to fight back, the "Pelones", a gang of older guys, decide to defend their territory and go kill the sicario kid. We know of this from a conversation that Ulises has with the Pelone's leader afterwards. Finally, the sicarios respond to the atack by killing many members of the Pelones gang, while lying on the floor on of them accuses Ulises of working along the sicarios because he sees the radio that Ulises has in his hand. Those radios are a symbol of drug cartels. In every Narcos movie or serie you'll see sicarios and drug lords using radios to communicate. Ulises being in possession of this radio suggests that he has become one of them, and the Pelones threat him to kill him and his family for his treason. So Ulises is forced to migrate to the US because he fears for his life. But surprisingly, or not, when he's deported back to Mexico he finds out that everything has changed, he's a nobody, the subculture that was so identifying to him is extinct, also there are no more Pelones around. But these drastical changes are not due just to time passing by! They're due to the effects of drug cartels presence in the zone. Drug cartels hegemonic power traduces also to culture. Sicarios are not only criminals, they have a culture of their own. The Narcoculture is a totalitarian set of values and practices that forces itself on poor communities through violence. Ulises was aware of the changes that were going on while he was away, he notices how his friends are changing bands and joining the sicarios while he's in New York because he sees their publications on Fotolog. They now post pictures of weed leafs and of them holding long weapons. Later when he comes back he assists to a friend's funeral, and one of his friends gives a speech while shooting to the sky. Those kids are different from the friends he left that only cared about collecting music, singing and dancing... All the topics that you identify and comment on are connected with this other aspect of the story, the political context in which everything take place. This film explores the impact of Cartels presence on youth and culture, and also addresses the recent phenomenon of people migrating to the US from Mexico due to escalating violence related to cartels and military intervention...

[@thefadepodcast9272]

That's definitely possible, what do you think we missed?

[@thhbere]

@@thefadepodcast9272 Hi guys! I give detail in the comment above :) press Read More.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Can't thank you enough for the super detailed explanation of what was going on. The political aspect paints the whole backdrop of the story in a really understandable and meaningful light. Whether its the narcos or the government Ulises and his friends end up in many ways products of selfish systems. This pattern repeats itself across time and places in the world. With the information you gave, it highlights even more how quietly powerful the movie is. Thanks again!

[@basilg695]

Thank you for adding all of that context, that was what I went on youtube in search for. I didn't understand why the Pelones member was accusing Ulises while they were bleeding out dying. I experienced a lot of culture shock watching the film and navigating through that to catch everything that was happening was difficult.

[@brando2118]

holy hell, what an analysis. You're absolutely spot on. I couldn't tell whether the older gang had killed the pelone, or why ulises was deemed a traitor. thanks!

[@lorenzoalmaraz3399]

The main actor, Juan Daniel Garcia Treviño, did a great job and to my surprise I found out that it was his first movie, and not only that, he was not an actor before this movie... He is like Yalitza Aparicio who even got a nomination in the 91st Academy Awards.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Most def...someone else commented on the non-actor talent and I brought up that it reminds me of Roma.

[@shokoshika]

Something important I saw from the Guillermo del Toro and Alfonso Cuaron review of the movie (also on Netflix) is that it makes the viewer expect a lot of things to happen but the main character does not take any of those possible routes, instead he does realistic and truthful things to his character like telling Lin he's tired or refusing to adapt to a new place or people or music.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Definitely one of the things that makes the movie special

[@rleandro315]

Good take on the movie, guys. So I speak Spanish, and I'm latin -american (Costa Rica). I had to turn on subtitles because although we're all latinos, mexican culture, and especially this urban tribe, is so unique, they use a lot of words I don't quite recognize when spoken. But yeah, at the same time, the fact that I'm a native Spanish speaker does enrich the experience a whole lot! The movie made me appreciate this culture of slowed-down cumbia and dancing and it has a really humane tone. I felt like I was watching an anthropology documentary of sorts... so realistic (for the most part) and captivating...! Anyway, great podcast. Subbed.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

We appreciate the comment and sub 🙏🏾! That's a really interesting aspect that we hadn't considered at all about the movie, the different dialects within the Spanish language also plays a big factor even for people who know the language. Really impacts how it's taken in.

[@camotebionico1556]

en costa rica también hablan de forma única 👍

[@rleandro315]

@@camotebionico1556 De hecho, tenemos un español muy particular. Me llamó muchísimo la atención que en la película los Terkos utilizaban el término "al chile" para confirmar algo... acá lo usamos igual!

[@economista2379]

@@rleandro315 la expresión "al chile" es muy común en México, de uso cotidiano web ambientes marginales o callejeros

[@rleandro315]

@@economista2379 Qué interesante! Acá al chile que lo usamos a cada rato

[@moshymen]

When someone say “ilegal immigrant” it hurt a lot, I know it’s no your intention but I just have to say it. That being said, good review, both of you do a fantastic job.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

We feel you on that. We tried to correct that at about the 9:57 mark. But we definitely feel you on that, it's a fucked up term to use for someone who's just trying to make a good life for themselves.

[@sickid41]

They are not wanted here and who cares if they want a better life. Let them revolt and uprise we did. So that’s why they we call them illegal.

[@uggggggghhhhh]

​@@sickid41 terrible bait

[@EduardoSernaL]

I loved your review guys! I know you already addressed this, but rather than calling them “illegal immigrants” , “undocumented immigrants” is a more inclusive term 😊 No human is illegal. Great job!

[@thefadepodcast9272]

💯🙏🏾

[@ciscokid1214]

He went to newyork because the guy who sent him there had a conection in new york i don't know if that line wast'n subtitle sence i watch it without subtitles but the guy says that non of his conection in texas are available but he has a friend in new york

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Damn, we missed that.

[@spvcs3615]

This movie is legendary. Period.. 💯 takes you into another world and then drops you into a familiar place for me (myself) being a New Yorker realizing not only being latino but how all walks of life comes from parts unknown &.. It's awesome. What I thought was amazing & heart breaking is the fact how he was holding on to something he loved so much as well as his own character for so long in New York missing his friends & lifestyle. Only to come home & realize when he got home that everything from the culture & dancing era to be semi dead & gone his friends changed people had guns & gangs grew bigger many things changed on forward. & it shows you how as you grow old things change. also what I like about this story is that yes they don't show much Mexican story lines in ( New York ).. & it is always mostly TX or L.A. based.. When in fact there are many Mexicans also in NY & he was on Myspace so the timeline was def about 2009 - 2011.. The music they loved gave me flashbacks to me & my friends listening to the Asap Mob in early 2011 also with the slowed down chopped & screws music with Huston Trill.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Really dope that you found it so relatable, really the hallmark of a great movie that gives a realistic depiction of what life is like for some people.

[@lorena6256]

I am from the same neighborhood where the film was recorded. And the truth for me, they managed to capture a lot of cultural things. Like the influence of a Colombian genre, when it comes to music. For me language is a limit, because I feel that not everyone understands what a certain word means xd

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Great point

[@englishclub5043]

The movie is placed in 2010 or 2011 ... a dark period in Monterrey, Mexico where we were immersed in a drug war between the government and the cartels and affected us all, but mostly the poorest who were the ones who were used to sell the drugs or block the streets to make fuss.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Thanks for the insight!

[@lrod2004]

I just watched this film last night. I completely missed it when it came out. I am Puerto Rican/Dominican who grew up partially in NYC and mostly in LA, so the language and some of the issues were much more accessible than I think other viewers who don’t speak Spanish or know Latnix/Chicanx culture. The film brought a great focus on a subculture in Monterrey. It was like I was watching Beat Street or the documentary Wild Style at times. Young youth culture expressing itself in difficult circumstances. I liked the chopped and screwed comparison and was thinking the same thing. Great review, but yeah I agree with what was said that if you understand Spanish (and more exposure to the culture) you may have received a greater appreciation for the film and it may not be as disorienting. Great review 👍🏽

[@thefadepodcast9272]

🙏🏿

[@elguapo90]

from what i've heard, there are a lot of mexicans in nyc now....3rd largest latino group after PR and Dominican. also i feel like there was a line where they said "the gang won't be able to get you there in new york' so it might have been that texas or california still wasnt safe enough.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Some other people in the comment section mentioned that as well, I think we just missed that when we watched the movie.

[@ElTalMax10101]

I love this movie. Not because of the directing or things of that nature. But simply for it being about that time in place in Monterrey. I remember all those hair dos and dances and jams. Las Colombianas rebajadas 😎. Love it. Brings back good memories. Also the movie was pretty good. 😎

[@rojo129]

Great job guys, love the way you critiqued the movie to me it was not as fast paced as I would want it to be, but very relatable the struggle he had to endure could have easily been a kid from L.A, Chicago, New York etc in the 90s

[@thefadepodcast9272]

💯

[@horaciosalinas8145]

Thats just how crazy Monterrey was in late 90's early 00 and even late 10's

[@gabrielavasquez9244]

I loved your review guys! FYI the guy who took the photo is Brandon Stanton, the author of "Humans of New York" also the movie has post-credits scene.Great job!

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Thanks for the tip! Went back and watched it, was pretty dope. The mix of the song and all behind the scenes stuff just makes the movie feel even more genuine.

[@HugoMarroquinMX]

People often migrate where there’s some one that can help them out settle down. In NY, as other cities, there’s a big Mexican community

[@thefadepodcast9272]

true

[@HugoGlz56]

Now watch "Cindy la Regia" to see the other extreme of Monterrey. It should be on prime.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Looks like another world altogether.

[@HugoGlz56]

@@thefadepodcast9272 They are literally 20 min away from each other, at the start of each movie.

[@gerardanbilliejoefan]

Agree. I'm from Monterrey, when I watched the mivie I was completly baffled. To think that just a fucking road makes the differences between Ulises life and Cindy la Regia life. A ROAD. I drive through that road all days. The contrast is incredible

[@ModestGamer84]

He found himself in Jackson Heights/Corona Queens pretty much Roosevelt Avenue. This is literally the melting pot of New York City and the world. If your Latino or from queens that makes a lot of sense that he would find himself there. When people say New York City is the melting pot of the world it’s pretty much Flushing Jackson Heights/Corona which are all located in Queens NY. Literally in a few short blocks you’re fine dozens if not hundreds of different languages spoken. The movie is solid I definitely enjoyed it I wish it was a little longer maybe with extra 20 more minutes. Thanks for the review. It’s one of the better ones I’ve seen here.

[@liev3057]

Woah this was such a nice surprise, thought I'd end up skipping it but it totally grabs you. ♥️

[@thefadepodcast9272]

It most certainly does!

[@mmmp2192]

my mom, who works with social care workers, said that he should've been sent to a shelter instead of calling ICE. And I've never seen cops arrest homeless people...

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Fair enough

[@oskar_oskarewicz]

I think considering the movie's themes, the language barrier even adds to it :)

[@liev3057]

BTW great thorough review. 👏🏼 Subscribed.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Much appreciated! 🙏🏿

Ulises went to New York because his uncle only had connections there.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

gotcha

[@Jc-si6pj]

Guys seriously check out We the Jury on Amazon Prime underground hidden masterpiece of a movie !! Cray crazy lol honestly brutally honest

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Will do!

[@a.h.4214]

Hey saludos desde Mexico 🇲🇽💪😎

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Saludando a mi amigo!

[@Adam-tx1tr]

Mexicans often travel to new york especially those from puebla and southern mexico.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Really interesting

[@monicafuentes7491]

yea but , monterrey is in the north

[@JMS849]

Good as movie i like the music and dancing

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Mos def

[@MiguelBricaBrac]

He was conscripted into the local cartel foot soldiers as a spotter “halcón”. These guys have radios and help to notify the dealers of police movement or rival gangs approaching. His brother was a cartel foot soldier but was arrested. Now the foot soldiers are after him as their numbers are dwindling from death or arrest. Their “bunker” or stash house gets hit and Ulises is blamed of complicity. There was no misunderstanding, to foot soldiers he didn’t do his job of halcón and now he is going to pay.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Appreciate the clarification!

[@vesper42]

i´m sorry but thats wrong, he wasn´t working as a halcon, he found the radio when the police arrested a real spotter, and when the cartel threatens him and his friend, he goes to seek help from the local gang, but the cartel shoots them on the spot, one survivor sees him with the radio in his hand and thinks he is a spotter "they didn´t even wait for you" "-no man i didn´t know!!!", so now a cartel and the local gang want him dead.

[@TheGlowingOnee]

The dude on the right is so clueless, did he not watch the movie or what? Jesus

[@economista2379]

Creo que es por lo menos equivocado criticar una película porque no entiendes el lenguaje.

[@thefadepodcast9272]

Eso es justo. (Hope I'm saying that right)

[@EsteVatoLoco]

There is alot lost in translation. They speak a Version of Calo. Calo a Spanish slang spoken by Mexican/Chicano pachucos (zoot suiters). There is one word used that stuck out (no pun intended). “Verga” is used a lot as in “Que verga!” Meaning “that’s great”Lin picks on this start using it. Like “ooo that’s verga!” In a store. Ulises shh.. her. “Verga” actually means “cock”. It’s a word you would use around friends but not around adults or strangers. A common Calo expression is “No Vale Verga!” Meaning “it’s worthless “ literal translation is “not worth a cock”. I was surprised how much Calo was spoken it originated early 40’s American south west. You’ll hear a lot of it spoken in the movie Zoot Suit. .kzbin.info/www/bejne/op6tq5acoM1-jZo