Epic (Off-Screen) Game of Thrones Adventures

[@tr3cepuffs481]

So I just have to say Prestons ability to like the podcast despite them not liking him is the most G thing ever. If the world was more like this, we’d have less problems. Lesson learned PJ.... lesson learned.

[@druzo5198]

Which podcast?

[@ianschmitt4991]

@N not everyone has elvish ears that hear the enemy dude. Also I'm almost certain they never named a specific podcast, they just talked about the people from the podcast and website (and linked it in the description)

[@jumunusun2790]

All hail Preston’s general discussion of GoT/ASoIaF!! We will take anything you’re willing to give m’lord

[@FlyWithMe_666]

I’m most interested in the off-screen adventures of D&D that made them lose their Star Wars job.

[@slytherpuff1]

When the three body project murder was announced I rudely laughed realizing how screwed they were. For the record I don’t think the murder was funny I just think it’s funny that it’s probably fucked them over

[@SkoomaCat]

Hehehehehahahaha

[@god47398]

those emails will probably leak soon, i cant wait

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I donno if that even counts as karma because them screwing up their career is so directly related to their own horrible decisions. it's almost like they didn't know them becoming famous and known as 'good' writers is entirely because GRRM handed them amazing material and they had an amazing team of Actors, Musician, Directors, Cinematographers, Choreographers, Stuntmen, Massive Budget, etc and they didn't know they have to capitalize and do their best to do everything GRRM tells them to instead of acting like spoiled narcissists. even if they handed it to other writers and went on to their own thing they'd still be wanted by other projects and no one would notice how Overrated they are, it's really unique how badly they f*kced up, the f*kc up was so bad that they themselves ended up taking collateral damage. a lot of people don't know that these two got their job through nepotism(literally makes sense since someone this bad could never get a job this huge without having good Resume/Talent)and they're part of the rich elite type of people that fail upwards, but the thing is they're in an industry that people's judgment affects their career directly, it's not like other industries where the rich elite are untouchable to the average person and they can literally get away with anything.

[@HxH2011DRA]

@@Ar1AnX1x yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

[@idiotsmonthly3969]

I mean, the thing that would’ve been *really* nice to see onscreen on GoT would be an adaptation of A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons :p

[@dirrdevil]

Preston always questioned the disappearing dogs in the scene of Theon and Sansa's rescue. Obviously, Theon rode one across the North and sailed the other to the Iron Islands.

[@HarlemSexyBlaqkat]

LOL

[@Trollskald]

Yara's near circumnavigation of Westeros after setting out from the Iron Isles to amphibiously assault the Dreadfort (only to retreat in the face of a man in a nightshirt and a couple of dogs) seems like an adventure that could use some expanding upon, too. 😛

[@sowjetgollum4447]

Concerning the sack of Casterly Rock: why would a teleporting army need supplies?

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Jet pack fuel?

[@sowjetgollum4447]

@@oliviawilliams6204 dont be silly, why fly when you can teleport?

[@wyssmaster]

It's less Goku's instant transmission and more Miles Teg going into hyperdrive.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@wyssmaster oh a later Dune book references, a man of culture i see

[@mixkid3362]

Sweetrobin is a master trainer of wind type Pokemon, Lord of The Vale and Hand of The King. No small wonder why he's able to interact with a shadow type Pokemon so effortlessly

[@DarkGreenFire]

Wind isn't a Pokemon type. You're thinking of flying type

[@Jonathan-ug9yu]

Preston is the best bit of the discourse. Too many asoiaf minds refuse to consider asoiaf in the context of grrm's broader body of work Also, all of the Preston theories and analysis feel authentically Preston and come with a disclaimer

[@ToneSherpa]

yeah basically any of Preston's explanations for any kind of plot hole, or a person acting out of character with their motives, or just any inconsistency or something that just doesn't add up with the story.. his go to explanation is SOMEONE TELEPATHICALLY MADE THEM DO IT! THEY ENTERED THEIR DREAMS AND MANIPULATED THEIR MINDS! and to be fair.. probably more often than not, that probably is the explanation. But sometimes.. it's just bad writing or that GRRM forgot something. but he did do a pretty clever thing in having an in universe excuse built into the mechanics of the universe and the story. there are at least like 4-5 characters with telepathic powers and they all kind of use similar magic to accomplish it too.

[@CharlesFreck]

​@@ToneSherpa Sure, sometimes GRRM might make a mistake, but also, he has an editor that knows the material better then anyone except GRRM who checks every sentence. So I think "it could be a mistake" is ever a likely explanation. Especially since GRRM has corrected actual mistakes in the text before for the earlier novels, so if there were any mistakes that effected things, it's definitely on the table it should've been fixed by now during reprints. There has to be 'some' mistakes, but I do think they're few and far between

[@nunouno001]

It’s really is kind of amazing that Preston is the only asoiaf KZbinr I’ve come across who realizes George has written lots of other books too. Alt Shift X does it every once in a while, but Preston takes it to a whole other level.

[@kitkat6959]

The broader ASoIaF community will shun you if you aren't in the main boring cliques

[@summer-turtle]

@@kitkat6959 It's all a big popularity game "who is the smartest person in the fandom?"

[@adashofbitter]

It's astounding to me how many people despise preston with an utter passion and consider his work on ASOIAF theories to be actually damaging. Preston's work is by far the most in-depth, thoughtful and thorough analysis of the series I've ever come across... It makes you consider angles you otherwise may never have (how advanced was the pre-long night society; thematic links between characters and their arcs; the role of telepathy; George's hatred of monarchy; etc.) And on top of it all, he's humble, always admitting not just that he might be wrong but that he's probably wrong... And he comes across as such an endearing and nice person. I get making light-hearted fun of the more tin-foil aspects of his theorising (which I think Preston knows are pretty tin-foil)... But the level of vitriol aimed at him is amazing. Preston is "he who shall not be named" in so many forums.

[@hopedixon2133]

I assume it's jealously...he is infinitely better at analysis than they are and is a very intelligent human being beyond that. They are Barristan Selmy, looking at the bricks of Meereen and seeing only black and white while Preston is Daenerys, noticing an array of colors to the pyramids.

[@adashofbitter]

​@@hopedixon2133 R + L = PJ You're right that the vast majority of theory videos, essays and forum posts can't even generously be called "analysis"... there's often no consideration of themes, context or the author. What's also weird to me about the vitriol is that Preston's theories are so fun! Many people despise the Dornish Master Plan but even if it's completely wrong, it's one of the most compelling and enjoyable theories out there.

[@EJD339]

@@hopedixon2133 even if he's wrong, he's entertaining and not just like to explore other theories. He's not claiming the earth is flat lol. He's just talking about a book he loves.

[@allarfckingdeem]

What about Gendrys gigantic rowing adventure. I mean the guy apparently rowed for multiple seasons to just return to kings landing. My theory on why he returned to kings landing is, that he learned, that the guy who killed Roberts Bastards isn't in Kings Landing anymore.

[@TheRoguePrince0]

daario was probably killed by the other second sons a week after dernerys Targaryen left for westeros. After all the second sons are sell swords. Master: We will pay you 10 times the normal amount if you kill daario and help us take our city back. S.S: deal

[@manband20]

We know exactly how things would have went down in Mereen after Dany and her dragons left had they shown it on TV. Because the exact same thing happened in Afghanistan a couple months ago.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@manband20 LOL

[@winraw6113]

I love how Preston knows they don't like him but vibes anyway

[@dasaggropop1244]

bronn as captain of the goldcloaks, kicking down doors and shit, solving domestic dispute and whatnot.could be a got spinoff like those over the shoulder reality cop shows

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

oh shit, this is a good one.

[@dasaggropop1244]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview tell that to hbo pls they are ignoring my calls. and my mails. and escorted me out of the building.

[@smitty1647]

GOLDCLOAKS all suspects are guilty until proven innocent in a battle to the death

[@zman224]

"Insult to wound" classic Carmine lol

[@pieceofgosa]

ooh, one you missed: Arya convincing that crew of sailors to sail West with her to their almost certain deaths.

[@ElCookieBandit]

Camp followers for the unsulled made me laugh out loud.

[@BattyButtercup]

The term IS often a euphemism for sexworkers, yes, but also refers to an army's supply train & logistical staff (food, livestock, horses, tents and cots, medical supplies, spare arms&armour, loot; cooks, smiths, leatherworkers, nurses, hostages, the wounded...), the people running things so knights have camps to fall back to & rest in between skirmishes.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I feel like people are completely wrong when they say "D&D are amazing at adapting material". it's like they're taking all the work everyone in that team did(Actors, Music, Stuntwork, Directors, Choreographers, Cinematography, Camera Work, CGI, Editing, etc)and giving all the credit directly to D&D like the show was good because of all those other people, not because of D&D and you'll only realize that when you read the book and then you learn how almost all the changes they made literally sucks and how much of a better job someone else could have done if they had D&D's job. I literally believe Preston would do such a better job than D&D, and his episodes on how he'd write the last couple of episodes and he still wrote a better story while having way less time than D&D did.

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Do you understand what commanding an operation of that scale is like? There were good changes too, amazing writing and direction

[@Sophie-kv9zz]

@@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873 the objectively best decision they made was Ned noticing Arya on thr statue of Baelor. Also the first scene with all the Stark kids.

[@kalipassion04]

I wanted to see the Black Fish take back River Run.

[@Borgcow]

I would LOVE an awkward crossover episode with you guys and the Fandomentals…I wanna see what they think of Carmine’s Patriarchy Brain

[@alanpennie8013]

This must happen. Surely they will have to love Carmine?

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Can someone explain why RTR is called sexist? Like where I can look?

[@Borgcow]

@@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873 first off, we all have Patriarchy Brain, every one of us, and I wanna see Preston’s dissected just as badly. Second, I don’t know if I can quote the relevant episodes of the podcast but Carmine does treat “feminist” as a bad word even though I don’t think he’s a misogynist or anything close. Everyone’s sexist to some degree, but I do think Carmine has internalized the weaponization of terms like “feminist” or “SJW” in his fandom and online discourses and doesn’t really practice a lot of introspection to challenge that, at least thats how he comes off on the podcast. He seems to prefer not to engage political undertones in general, unless it’s explicit or particularly egregious or the center of some news cycle. Do you think that assessment unfair? Just to be clear I do love the guy, but hey we all have room for improvement

[@Halbared]

@@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873 Who is RTR?

[@alanpennie8013]

@@Halbared Red Team Review, ie Carmine.

[@b.castilho4011]

Buffy was a whole clusterfuck, hearing the actors talking about the backstage, specially nowdays that so many of them can´t be screwed over by Josh, sheads a light on why so many shows we love get such shit storylines or bad cgi or cut actors off. We always know to blame the writers and directors, because it usually is their fault, but getting a glimpse on the types of backdoor bullshit that happen to the actors that lead to some decisions is fascinating.

[@EvelynnEleonore]

3:34 Marching an army single-file through a dangerous pass? I assume Moat Cailin's position means it's difficult to travel past undetected as a single person, but impossible as an army, and an attempt to march past would put your army in terrible shape for combat. single lines don't hold up super well :B

[@Dlavelle100]

Just like Littlefinger explaining to Sansa about approaching the Vale. Single file or 3 across and get destroyed lol

[@drewsollars2239]

I'd like to see the brutal suppression of the revolt of the faith from the vale to oldtown after great Sept is desecrated.

[@sheilahilton356]

The actor who plays Edmure Tully was on Outlander and other shows

[@SHARKVADERS]

PJ IS BACK FOMOS

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

R…?!?

[@thomasdoggett9919]

Thanks Preston, always a good time!

[@keirangrant1607]

he made a sled and used the disappearing dogs to get him across the north

[@Hochspitz]

Yes, all the stupid unanswered questions that we all had. I must say that how the unsullied made it back without even a boat to ferry them to Dragonstone left me completely perplexed. But all the others could have made for many more episodes that would have been great, even if they didn't adhere to the books.

[@kharyrobertson3579]

I love how nonchalantly Preston takes their negative opinion of his content.

[@pj9615]

Classic Gen Xer

[@tannermoroz9732]

Never stop making videos ❤️

[@keirangrant1607]

LOL @ "harmful discourse". Ever notice how people who can't rebut your arguments, claim your ideas are "harmful" to kids, society, my gay goldfish, etc? Like, I don't habve to agree with your ideas to listen to them and enjoy them. You actually break stuff down way better, and in line with GRRM's style, than anyone else. Even though I prefer a lot of the other theories to yours. God bless them

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Find the user TheKingOfRooks in this comment section, I explain the reasons why in a reply to them.

[@Halbared]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview He must have deleted it, can't see him. I did take a look at the fandamentals, they look like the sort of nonsense I avoid.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

As someone who listened a lot to the Unabashed Books Snob (TheFandomentals game of thrones podcast) they aren’t just not in any kind of theories, they concentrate on analyzing the content we have instead of theorizing on future content. They see it as an exercise in futility.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@oliviawilliams6204 Disagreeing with the idea of theorizing and saying the guy brings about "harmful discourse" are two separate things in my opinion. I dislike Emergency Awesome's style of corporate type YouTubing but I still respect the hustle and work he puts in to dish those videos out. They could disagree with PJ's theories or theorizing without the need for the extra stuff.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview Yeah of course, but generally they are lovely persons, been awhile i listened at the episode in question, but i think they where mostly lashing out because people kept asking them for their own theories and it annoyed the heck out of them.

[@danielallen4450]

The stranger didn’t work for Ramsay; it was Ramsay.

[@iliaponomarev1624]

Unsullied Anabasis - that's a great show by itself.

[@alanpennie8013]

Teach an unsullied to fish...

[@hopedixon2133]

Sir, you are a credit to the fandom, and literally one of the best analytical minds I have come across, excluding my history professors. You are personally responsible for opening my third eye to GRRM's subversion of tropes. Never let anyone tell you otherwise. Honorable mention goof: How does the Army of the Dead in the North get giant iron chains to lift Viserion out of that lake? I remember thinking that at the time like...wut???? The wildlings don't forge iron, there are no castles up there the chain might have originated from, and what dead things swam down there to chain the dead dragon up to it? I can accept dead things swimming...but they're not suddenly invincible just because they're dead. Like the show's Night King has fucking telekinesis...why didn't he just pull it up? That was an easy fix for such a stupid scene, I hated it. So, off topic here, but why has no one talked about how creepy it is that Arianne Martell used to sexually fantasize about her uncle? This weirds me out every time she mentions it to herself...what is up with that whole thing? And WHY does she have memories that Llewyn Martell, a fucking KINGSGUARD, used to tickle her until she couldn't breathe? Bear in mind, she does not say memory as in oh, Elia Martell and fam came down for a visit to Sunspear or the Martells went to King's Landing, she does imply that she has multiple memories of this. A part of me thinks that Arianne Martell is Rhaenys Targaryen...because Rhaenys would probably have those memories. Oh, and Doran Martell is a fucking pedophile. He literally says he favorite place in the world is a place where naked children play in a pool all day...he should be locked up. And he wanted his brother dead...he KNEW that if he sent Oberyn Martell to King's Landing, that dude would cause some shit and die for it. He literally says that his brother's death is both shameful and glorious...um glorious? Sure, he plays it off as it's all because he cares such much about Dorne (doubt) but I believe he wanted his brother dead. I think maybe there is a love triangle between Doran and Oberyn...the question is who is the third part? Ellaria Sand? Elia Martell? (Oberyn is kind of creepy when he talks about Elia to Tyrion, comparing their relationship to Jaime and Cersei's) Mellario of Norvos? Edgar Yronwood's paramour? I could totally wrong but something stinks in Dorne, and it ain't the rotting blood oranges at the Water Gardens.

[@jakeyoneda2056]

I don't know if you've watched all of Preston's Dorne videos or not, but there is some strong evidence that both Doran and Oberyn intended for Oberyn to die in King's Landing. The most obvious and hard to deny is that Qybern says that the mountain has been poisoned with a painful venom that has been magically slowed down. Why would you ever use a slow acting poison in a deathmatch? Only if you intend or expect to lose and want your opponents death to be more excruciating than yours. Also it tees up a more important plan involving Qybern and Cersei, but that's a lot to explain so you should go watch the Dorne series! Preston tells it best

[@hopedixon2133]

@@jakeyoneda2056 I have watched...probably too many times because I think Dorne is a big key to the story, and we are not getting all of the picture. It has a LOT of parallels with the North, and our author has deemed the Starks as a significant and talented house. Totally agree with Preston on probably everything (especially that Quentyn is alive!), I just think there is a lot more to it as well, which is hard to predict because we have so little to go on. Dorne and Doran feel very vital yet GRRM delays their entry proper to the story for such a long time, and it feels it must be for a reason. We ONLY get POV's from Doran's pawns, his "daughter" Arianne (I have serious doubts) and Aero Hotah, his Hodor parallel...and I mean that on every level. Doran should be feared because the author plays him off as a weak, overly cautious and mild "old" man...but I call bullshit on it all. The text specifically says that Doran looks much older than he is...to me, that's a clue. Does he look older...or is he perhaps older? Is he able to change his appearance as in a skinchanger or a glamour? I think back to that scene in the Aero Hotah POV that talks about Doran feigning weariness as blood oranges dropped all around him. Oranges represent death often in literature...so Doran is actually reveling in the death, including that of his brother, probably another pawn of his in some way. I also think of the scene in one of the Arianne TWoW chapters where Doran rises to Arianne to bless in her journey, except he isn't supposed to be able to walk. As pointed out by Preston, one does not magically overcome disability to show how much "he believes in her". Barf However, for me the most compelling evidence comes from none other than Lord Tywin Fucking Lannister...a cruel man that is often not wrong (even if we want him to be). He says that Doran Martell is a man who weighs every action and every word...which is precisely what one could say of Tywin Lannister; quite a comparison if you think about it. That means Doran Martell is pretending to be weak (a sure sign of super powers like telepathy or telekinesis) while also being known for being a smart motherfucker by some of the smartest, most powerful motherfuckers AROUND. Just saying... I honestly don't even know what I think about the Dornish, but I will keep pondering and maybe something will just click one day a bit more.

[@jakeyoneda2056]

@@hopedixon2133 No offense, but how does that support your claim that Doran is a pedophile or nefariously killed Oberyn? All the evidence that Doran is an incredibly capable schemer only seems to support Preston's theories that he and Oberyn planned their actions ahead and that he has legitimate scrying/politics reasons for being at the water gardens. I'm certain Doran has more complex plans, but I don't see anything hinting towards pedophilia. Take Arianna and Quentyn, we have POVs from both of then and they have been with Oberyn since childhood. Other young characters who have been around the Martell house don't seem to be afraid or Doran or feel any strange way towards him. Compare to Euron, who terrifies everyone and who is though of in unspeakably dark terms by his victims. Hotah also does not think of Doran as a predator, and he is his shadow so he would likely know of indiscretions of that nature. Lastly, I don't think it's that strange that Arianne had sexual fantasies about her uncle. We are reading her own private thoughts, and I don't think it's uncommon to have thoughts of this nature about very good looking older relatives when you are first going through puberty. Especially in a world where cousin marriages and relations of that level are common.

[@hopedixon2133]

@@jakeyoneda2056 Lol. Well let's start with pedophlia...I was half joking when I stated Doran was a pedophile but honestly, it's super weird to say that your favorite place is full of naked children, it's just not typical. And it is not typical for children to sexually fantasize about their family members lol, and I'm from the Ozarks, man. I suppose it's true to say it does happen in this world, but the power imbalance of man and child on top of incest makes it doubly disturbing. Arianne herself stops Feathers and Elia Sand, a man and a child, and notes how it is wrong and gross. I noticed that you said that Arianne and Oberyn don't seem afraid of Doran...to which I say, so what? Why should they?Would a practiced manipulator and puppet master seem that way to those he/she moves? Isn't that part of their scheme, to know how to control a person? Is Sansa's dumbass aware of Littlefinger's plots for her, his pawn? Probably not, she thinks he will gift her Winterfell...welp, life is not a song. As Preston has said, GRRM takes apparently weak and frail characters and gives them superpowers because he is just all about subverting those tropes. I don't have much evidence because there just simply is not any to go on. I'm just trying to think of difference scenarios, and I think it's reasonable to assume that Doran Martell has hidden motives and agendas beyond what we know from Arianne and Hotah primarily. And they are a historical enemy of the Valyrians/Targaryens so I assume they have a hidden power up their sleeve but I could be wrong entirely.

[@wasimmohammed5501]

yea but Gylbert Farwynd and Jhiqui storyline on and offscreen was amazing albeit crazier than nightflyers

[@edwinbrown7179]

Not really a good story diversion but I want to know how Arya survived a mortal gut wound and then jumped into the dirty Braavosi canals and got away with some minor stitches. I remember thinking that it was actually Arya disguised as the Waif who stabbed the Waif who was actually disguised as Arya lol. I really could not understand that scene until I realized they didn't care about plot quality at all. Those last seasons were full of things like this it really boggles the mind.

[@hopedixon2133]

Good point. I hate that they made the Waif into this person who hates Arya. This 100% does not exist in the books. The Waif helps her become a better liar by making a game of it, shows her poisons and how to use them, and they teach each other their language. They do not hate each other, Arya calls her stupid once, but she calls everyone stupid all the time. If Arya hates someone at the House of Black and White, it's the Kindly Man because she knows that's who has been beating her, not the Waif. Off topic but I think the Waif is one of the Children and that's why she's so small...not poison, that literally doesn't make sense to me as a reason. Sure, you'd be malnourished and sickly looking but it wouldn't make you stay smaller and younger for the remainder of your life...I just thought that was a weird excuse.

[@smitty1647]

@@hopedixon2133 maybe a cotf with a bit of glamour since they look like deer people

[@hopedixon2133]

@@smitty1647 Perhaps...the Children may be capable of telekinesis and able to change their faces just as Arya can (we think since we don't have true confirmation on that). I'm also guessing that different groups of Children exist in different parts of Planetos...for example, the Jogos Nhai seem like good candidates for this. When Bran is in the cave with Bloodraven, he notices oddly shaped skulls amongst the bones, and I (and probably others) wondered if they were Jogos Nhai since they bind their skulls. The people of Naath too sound very Children like; small, golden eyed, wise, and peacefully sad. I think that many groups had a duality of "giants" or a large, domineering group of people bent on conquest, and "children" or a smaller, more peaceful people who use cunning to combat their larger foes. Perhaps all the Children don't look the same just as humans don't. Off topic but they sound based on Ray Bradbury's version of Martians from The Martian Chronicles; small, golden eyed, and telepathic. I wonder if that was the inspiration for the Children

[@NegustoruL]

Do the foundation series!

[@romulusnuma116]

The Unsullied adventurer kinda reminds me of the tale of Anabasis Greek mercenaries having stranded in a foreign land having to fight there way back home would have been cool to see would make a cool fanfic

[@LetsTalkOnePiece]

11:33 there where four horses and two dogs and seven soldiers, but if you analyse the scene frame by frame only six of them get killed by Brienne, Pod and Theon.

[@louisroy4911]

I always love people trying to work out plot holes Marvel no proze style instead of just complaining it doesn’t make sense

[@SR-zv5ue]

Will this be put on your apple podcast? Same with the last video discussion between you two about Dany?

[@hopedixon2133]

I'd like to share my thoughts on something I find weird...Ser Robert Strong. I mean, because of the implication that this person is in fact Ser Gregor Clegane, I must wonder if it truly is...and why it is so connected to Jon Arryn's final words; "Robert...the seed is strong". Lysa Arryn of course tells Catelyn that he was referring to your main man Sweetrobin but knowing GRRM's style, not true. Ned Stark thinks it must be proof of Jon Arryn's supposed knowledge AND willingness to act upon this knowledge (I am just so unsure of this, honestly, it's so stupid), and means the Baratheon children are incestuous bastards based alone on hair color. They are bastards but that is not proof in itself; dark-haired people can have blonde children, I myself am an example. Once again...poor Ned Stark is probably wrong about Jon Arryn on some level, and predictably acts on honor for his brother from another mother. I also want to bring up how strange it is for anyone to take the last name Strong. We know from the Dance of the Dragons that this line is extinguished in a formal sense though many bastards of House Strong remain through Lucamore Strong's sixteen children (same number as Robert supposedly...weird) sent to Driftmark, Harrenhal, and Storm's End during the reign of Jaehaerys. Alys Rivers, the paramour of Aemond Targaryen, is supposedly a Strong bastard and she grew up in Harrenhal, and she claims she was pregnant with Aemond's son but we do not know if this is true and if the child lived. This name becomes cursed after the extinction of the House, so it is interesting that one would claim it if they were not descended from a Strong line. There are two members of the Golden Company who also call themselves Strong ADwD but we are not sure if they are true Strongs...although one is called Duncan, invoking the name of a famously large individual. I am unsure of what to make of all this, or if it remains to all be coincidence. All that being said, I wish we knew more about Jon Arryn. Why was he chosen to receive Robert Baratheon of the Stormlands and Ned Stark of the North? Were they wards, or hostages? If this was all a plan of the Maesters and the Citadel in unraveling the Targaryen power, why were only they joined? How come we don't see more of an effort to unite the major houses through friendship? I mean, until Rhaegar crowns Lyanna at Harrenhal, there was no conflict of Baratheon/Targaryen, and given their close ties through blood, why would one assume that would happen? One thing I REALLY want to know is...what was said in the conversation between Jon Arryn and Doran Martell. Jon Arryn did/said/promised something that convinced Doran Martell to lie low. I mean, it was the obviously smart thing to do at the time since Dorne could not match Robert and his allies but I feel something was agreed upon that day. Was Sweetrobin supposed to be sent to Dorne as a ward in the future? It seems plausible that Sweetrobin was used as a pawn by someone to find out a possible mole, just as Tyrion uses Myrcella to find out the mole reporting to Cersei between Varys, Littlefinger, and Pycelle. Pycelle told Ned Stark that Sweetrobin was supposed to be sent to Casterly Rock while Littlefinger told Lysa that Sweetrobin was being sent to Dragonstone. If the parallel holds, then Varys would assume Sweetrobin was being sent to...Sunspear or the Water Gardens. I mean, Tyrion had either Myrcella going to Dorne or Tommen...it seems it was important that they receive a royal hostage, like maybe it was promised or something. Even Tywin agrees it could not have been helped. That's all I've got on this topic but I think we should consider Jon Arryn was referencing the future appearance of Ser Robert Strong, and that he may in fact be someone completely different than Ser Gregor Clegane.

[@YourGraceMyLady]

Moat cailin is full of swamps they would’ve needed help from the crannog men to get around. That’s hilarious

[@morganmccool6026]

I don't think the Moat Cailin thing is a goof at all. Previously Roose says something along the lines of "I had to be smuggled into my own lands" referring to getting past it. It's established more than once that Moat Cailin impedes armies, but not small groups of travelers. A single file line of soldiers would be noticed, and when they reach the end of the path they would be facing a prepared defense that is in formation while they're still streaming out one by one. Travelers and merchants on the other hand either aren't noticed or are allowed to pass hence Rosse's "smuggling".

[@alecshockowitz8385]

The problem there was when Theon was used on the Moat, the Ironborn maybe had 30 men in fighting order, and quite a few sick or dying. Send 100 men in that small pass, and then assault the moat directly if they abandon the Moat to deal with the pass. This would be pretty basic flanking and maneuvering that any army can pull off.

[@morganmccool6026]

@@alecshockowitz8385 Ahh I see, I forgot how barely manned the castle was at that point in the story

[@alexs_toy_barn]

You guys forgot about varys teleporting to dorne from slavers bay and then teleporting back onto dany's boat all within like real life 10 minutes

[@glanni]

I wonder if Preston knows Wally from the Pokemon Hoenn games. He reminds me of Sweet Robin, just a bit more shy I guess.

[@hextech687]

Dario leading Mereen would be cool to see

[@JoniukasVader]

Back are we and

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

These stories may be epic, but they'll never be as epic as the story of Bran the Broken.

[@cine0]

Carmine does not seem to understand the premise of the conversation. He seems to think Preston is listing unbelievable events not good stories off screen.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

No I understood it, just disagreed with Fundamentals list.

[@Ag-qr6ii]

Will you continue fire and blood podcast episodes now that house of the dragon is coming out soon ?

[@GeminibBorn]

I can never find the link to Carmines Podcast, can anyone tell me where it is?

[@clamshelljuice]

Not Preston being attacked for presenting new ideas smh

[@rebeccaunboundmallard]

Man f those guys Preston is awesome

[@turtleanton6539]

Great video 👍👍👍👍☺️

[@zombbro]

Why harmful? Because of all the diving into GRRM's other works?

[@smitty1647]

i'm surprised they don't organize book burnings to erase the past

[@korakys]

So Carmine has a stag crown indicating he is the king and has a sword (and the bird), Preston is hand of the king and lord of the vale but has a pokeball. Really not sure who would win in a "fight".

[@hopedixon2133]

Power resides where men believe it resides, no more and no less.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@hopedixon2133 You got it

[@hopedixon2133]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview So are you the priest, the rich man, or the king? Because I'm definitely the fucking sellsword here

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@hopedixon2133 Yes

[@hopedixon2133]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview (Tugs forelocks and stabs the two others) Lead on, milord.

[@julioulloa5403]

I supose its not arya in the kitchen, but arya in the twins sneaking and killing freys without noticing

[@jamesdooling4139]

Just more proof this should have been a 15-20 season show...

[@markusspitznagel2011]

To be fair, there are missing storys like that in book 2... . Maybe not as bad as the Walther Frey thing 😅

[@pink_waffle]

Wait, Martin hates Theon? Cool, nice to know I'm on board with the author on that one lmao

[@mainchannel1566]

The correct answer is "budget," and "99% of fans not caring because the *the fans* want to get to the main plot, with the main characters."

[@sideshowdayv]

Preston must be really mature to like a podcast despite them trashing him. It’s pretty odd they don’t like him despite their gripes with the show being pretty similar

[@sflr38]

Preston King!!!!

[@CodyTaylor115]

I don't understand why so many people of the community dislike Preston. Like okay you can think his ideas are wrong but harmful to the community?? In what way?! Like damn how good do you think your shit smells to put down other people who theory craft? Harmful to the community is the most gatekeeper-y bs i have ever heard. And im not talking about just those people you mentioned. I have heard it from others who make got content and honestly.... I have stopped watching not that i didn't enjoy their stuff but it's just all kind of recycled now. And at least Preston has a fun personality and looks at the material from a different perspective

[@linguica]

I also was a big fan of the Unabashed Book Snobbery podcast while it was running. From what I remember, this was while Preston was making all his theory videos and their critique was basically that the popularity of the theory videos encouraged people to treat ASOIAF as a puzzle with a solution to be discovered, instead of a work of literature to be appreciated.

[@keirangrant1607]

I couldn’t find that user in the comments section, but it’s ok. No need to rehash your points. You make well thought of arguments and I cannot for the life of me imagine why people throw so much hate at you for your ideas. It’s not even as if they’re out of GRRM’s wheelhouse. I’ve literally watched every one of your videos, including the thousand worlds, and your ideas make much more sense that most everyone else’s. Now that I think of it, that’s why they hate on you so much. Their theories are what they wish/want, and yous are grounded in reason. Again, I prefer most of their theories to yours, mostly because that’s what I wish to happen. You hurt their feelings Preston. Shame on you.

[@keirangrant1607]

That’s crazy. I didn’t get into the Preston rabbit-hole until the lull between season 7 and 8, after liking all these other theories and creators. But to know that they bashed him for his opinions, completely turned me off from their KZbin channels. Like why? He never insults anyone’s tinfoil theories. Not that I recall. Appreciate his contribution, respectfully disagree, and move on. It’s phucking fantasy anyway. People are so…..that’s why I prefer fantasy/books….

[@Borgcow]

@@keirangrant1607 no not really, not with those ladies, it was bc they thought he was ignoring the themes of the story and only engaging it on a superficial basis, creating shocking theories for views, etc. I think they were largely unfair, but it was really just the one episode. Plus you’ll notice Preston talks about themes way more since then, so it seems he agreed with them to some extent!

[@summer-turtle]

In general they weren't big fan of theories, particularly to more "out there" ones. Their analysis is more character based and less plot based.

[@Halbared]

Ahh thanks for that.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

I really wanted to see more of the Ironborn POV in this War and they ruined the opportunity to introduce Euron's Faction in this war.

[@SightsNScapes]

Red team review?

[@almsahrah]

'season after season, getting to this big point, and then there's nothing" All pretty much describes the build up of the first six(ish) seasons for me.... and then.... Nothing.

[@Gui101do]

Preston King!

[@maxmercer1931]

They could've cut Eve and kept Cordelia...

[@pieceofgosa]

#10 - someone blew the budget on CGI dragons #9 - bad writing, total contrivance #8 - generously you might suggest that Dany flew some supplies to the Unsullied #7 - man this is one of those moments, Sansa should tell him to come with them & take the black, she should tell him the Iron Islands aren't his home & never were. She should tell him he's of the North now & he still owes a debt #6 - yeah this would have been a cool scene, Daario & Jorah cutting their way through the Harpies, Unsullied arriving to rescue them but hey, it *was* a sweet CGI dragon... #5 - I still pop myself thinking about this. It's SOOOOOO ludicrous !! #4 - How had the Frey's even taken Riverrun at this point ? Did Riverrun frigging empty completely & decamp to the Twins then Walder sent a force of Frey's to capture Riverrun at the same time the Red Wedding was happening ? More likely this is just a bad line of dialogue for Sansa from a writer that had forgotten Riverrun had never fallen in the first place. A better line would have been "my uncle Brynden escaped the Red Wedding & was able to secure Riverrun" but even that leaves the same logic black hole, if Sansa knew the Blackfish held Riverrun then how did she not know that the Frey's were besieging it ? And even if she was not aware a large Frey & Lannister force was camped outside Riverrun, how was she expecting Brynden to get a Tully army north past the Twins ? It's all total bollocks. #3 - poor writing, contrivance ahoy #2 - eh I dunno, most of the Faith's leadership was taken out by Cersei, Unella would be pretty vulnerable, Qyburn has his ways #1 - oof... what were they thinking ?

[@immakitty88]

Eff what I was watching

[@jswagaudio]

The Moat is only an obstacle for an army. Individuals can easily pass

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

This is certainly not the case in the books. Hallis Mollen is specifically said to be unable to come north because Moat Cailin blocked his way.

[@khrousty]

Interesting. The neck is pretty large. That makes it a sort of Darien Gap with a roadgoing through Moat Cailin.

[@TheLastSoundNL]

I'm usually a big fan of battles, but that's not Game of Thrones. I'm honestly not *that* interested. And you really want more big battles in season 6 and 7? They can make battle scenes, but that quality dropped in the last 2 seasons just like the other things. The greatest moments in Game of Thrones are drama and character interactions.

[@quentongilliam5803]

Fundamental lol

[@OmegaPointZealot]

I really wish I could stand Carmine...it's such a waste to leave so much Preston unwatched. :/

[@danielzitnik4247]

Preston, I adore your work. But I don't like Carmine and it's hard to enjoy the videos you make with him.

[@smitty1647]

i think they make a good team

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I don't think he cares, clearly, considering we've been doing videos together for almost 5 years now. You're free to not watch them though :)

[@dontnerfmebro8052]

Dude as long as order of the greenhand is around, you are far from some epitome of harmful theorizing.

[@logancarlile8895]

Green hand has some of the stupidest theories

[@PhreakyGimp]

Harmful discourse to the community lmao it's not that serious bozos

[@alexisdfrz]

im still having an off screen game of thrones adventure

[@glanni]

I don't get how people could trash him.

[@shesokayiguess]

yeah, trying to wrap my head around it- preston isn't even aggressively hateful towards the things he doesn't like

[@Dglenn2185]

Little known fact: humans travel faster than horses over long distances. Horses can really only travel 20-30 miles in a day, humans 60-70 if I remember right

[@marlonthomas8042]

50-100 for a horse

[@ferniek5000]

20-30 would be a big daily amount for a person. To walk at a regular pace, carrying just water and a little light food, 20 miles is a good pace.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@ferniek5000 The armies of August 1914 managed up to 30 miles a day. I've no idea how they did it.

[@ferniek5000]

@@alanpennie8013 Yes, a real struggle with all the gear to carry. I have done distance travels on foot and found 22-25 ok with very light gear and comfortabĺe shoes, but carrying alot of weight would be hard I think.

[@marlonthomas8042]

4mph for 15 hours solid *sounds* doable and it probably is in a single day, but prolonged no chance New york to la is 2700 miles If you think you could walk that in 50 days you’re nuts The toll it would take on your body long term is insane Yeah you get the outliers who run 100 marathons in 100 days etc but even that falls short

[@whispwindswept]

aow

[@judsoncoffey8980]

Second

[@MrCricketbuff]

First

[@yfullman]

Peeeace and Prosperity with Darioooo! Peeeace and Prosperity with Darioooo!

[@amynurss1375]

Who wants a picnic! Yay!

[@dakotasherman632]

@@amynurss1375 Hooray!

[@PassivesAbseits]

The biggest off-screen adventure, as always, is missing: How did the people of Kingslanding extinguish the Wildfire burning their city. At least an entire quarter... Or: How did they rebuild the city, after it burned to the ground. Either way, the Goaldcloacks did a hell of a job there. Remember: This is a medieval society, that somehow has to handle a napalm bombing. That is not easy to do... I always point to "combine the great fire of London and the Bombing of Dresden."

[@alanpennie8013]

The people of KL had very little to do with it. It was Bran using magic and/or time travel.

[@SexySiren24]

@@alanpennie8013 I think they mean after the sept blew up

[@pedroberti1588]

Man the day I watched the episode where the insulied captured Casterly Rock and lost their ships, ALL of my friends thought how genius plot-point that was for making daenerys lost her army, or maybe, show how differente the insulied are from westerosis when they make an attempt to come back. And in the next episode.... NOTHING HAPPENED, NO CONSEQUENCES. For me that was the worse plot-hole just for disapointing

[@MadIvano]

Insulated

[@alanpennie8013]

@@MadIvano Insulate Westeros ( a British joke).

[@Halbared]

@@alanpennie8013 I'd give 'em all the Reins of Castermere.

[@kekero540]

Yeah I don’t get why they even needed Casterly rock…

[@pokeman5000]

You were expecting ALOT from the show lol. Around the time Arya got stabbed, fell into dirty city sewage water, and came out okay is when I completely abandoned all hope. Literally Monty Python sketch "Just a flesh wound" level. My friend and I had no clue why they didn't just do the book plot verbatim minus the cat warging scene. Also that's literally a running theme in Dany's show story 0 consequences. No consequences for having a hand in the upheaval of Quarth, no consequences for betraying the deal she made with Astapor (I guess the magical curse of guests right isn't a thing overseas), no consequences for Daario betraying his superiors, no consequences for crucifying or feeding the former masters to her dragons. Any and all of her consequences are met with "lmao Trogdor burninate the peasants." Obligatory "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet."

[@smitty1647]

i presume "harmful discourse" means people are starting to think about the books in a way they don't like lol

[@orsonlannister9847]

Silence Smutty! Go back to simping Cheshliar lol

[@smitty1647]

@@orsonlannister9847 i'd pity you if i wasn't so cynical

[@thewingedserpent5823]

I kinda wanna hear what they said now

[@Borgcow]

You can find it if you want, Unabashed Book Snobbery is the name of the podcast, great analyses of book and show characters/themes, though that's my least favorite ep

[@orsonlannister9847]

@@smitty1647 Lol oh Smutty my simping little warbler, I don't want your pity nor do I have any need of it. Cheshliar, this new girl and Stevie on the other hand... They hold pity parties daily. Thought you were a cynic?

[@Gekokujo76]

The Catspaw Dagger. I HAVE TO SEE how the dagger actually got into his hand. It's such a red-herring/plot hole/rookie mistake to "accidentally" give an assassin a priceless artifact. Who gives an assassin a weapon to use? That never happens in the first place. Especially if it is Joffrey, I would love to see that actually play out on screen.

[@dirrdevil]

I have to agree with Carmine. Two people getting past Moat Cailin is not the same as an army doing so. Not that it would be easy. I imagine people from the Neck could do so as part of the passage would be navigating treacherous swamps. And know one even knows where Greywater Watch is, so there could be unknown routes to places that a lucky person could stumble upon.

[@EleanoRa99]

Harmful discourse to the community? I guess they’re not fans of the Rogue Prince 😔 🎶

[@deathmachine808]

Cue the music.

[@EJD339]

Who are these people? I'm not going to trash them I just never heard of them

[@bonzibuddy4483]

I have zero evidence for this, BUT, I've got this itch in the back of my brain that makes me think of Thermopylae whenever Moat Cailin is brought up...the idea of a treacherous westerosi ephialtes (Theon?) leading an army through a goat-path and bypassing the fortress feels so very GRRM-y to me that I almost have my heart set on it.

[@druzo5198]

They really are nothing alike tho

[@bonzibuddy4483]

@@druzo5198 Both are seemingly insurmountable chokepoints which prevent invading armies from razing the kingdoms beyond...they really are very much alike tho.

[@nickkoch3467]

I’ve followed Preston since all the back in 2014. The fact that the “fandom” still disapproves of him after seven years is ridiculous. They’re just jealous that they can only come up with superficial topics and can’t look deeper at the content.

[@oliviawilliams6204]

Being a follower of TheFandomentals, it’s much much more about Preston theories being way too much of a stretch. They aren’t into theories at all.

[@nickkoch3467]

@@oliviawilliams6204 he’s probably wrong about half of this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@oliviawilliams6204]

@@nickkoch3467 hehe probably. They where not mean about it really, the time they blew up on it I recall was more reaction to keep being asked about their predictions and they lashed out.

[@nickkoch3467]

@@oliviawilliams6204 I don’t know them well, but I’ve heard some from other GOT tubers. I feel that TOOTGH and LML are way more out there than Preston.

[@smitty1647]

@@nickkoch3467 you'd think they would be more tolerant of disagreement

[@alanpennie8013]

We all remember the idiocies of season 8. It's fun to be reminded about the many idiocies of seasons 6 and 7. I'd like a scene between fake Walder Frey and Lame Lothar.

[@brightglory5734]

Still the best GoT channel.

[@Royal_Chief_Architect]

The balls it takes to love people who loudly don’t love you back. Preston is the man just say it...What nonsense is this..one of the most like minded people they could find to dislike. The world don’t make sense..

[@67tedward]

It's just classic human in group/out group mentality. People like to alienate others they don't know very well.

[@brandonadamek3123]

Been watching his videos quite a bit. Never heard him say anything offensive.

[@danjordan1]

I played with my longsword while I watched this!

[@vernon1483]

That's pretty creepy

[@ToneSherpa]

I played with my bastard sword. it's aptly named. i created a lot of them.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@vernon1483 But it's good to see the old tropes back.

[@JELazarus]

I feel like if Brienne and Pod were captured by crannogmen and brought to Howland Reed, Brienne might have been able to talk her way out of it. Maybe even get sent along forward on her mission. She would have had to have convinced Reed that her mission is in good faith, but if she were able to, I feel like Reed may even have helped her. At least with provisions or something.