Pretending That My Third Is My Natural | Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff

[@swing9170]

"Serral slightly better than your average zerg player" :D

[@MassDynamic]

you know, just slightly

[@PotatoMussab]

Hes kinda good I think.

[@calebjimmysmith]

You could say that

[@GHOSTSAREFRIENDS]

Funny thing is his worst MU is zerg

[@whitem00gle]

Understatement of the year...

[@michaellewis8849]

Harstem: "But then again, who plays like this right? There has to be something wrong with you to play like this". Me, proxying my natural all the way from Bronze to Gold 1: "Uhhmm....."

[@gabrielhoelzle8476]

Me who proxies my nexus inside the enemie's main quite often "Sweats intensily"

[@joshuaxiong8377]

people like you are the reason why i scout like an AI.

[@Leonhart_93]

It works at those leagues most of the time, but in platinum I always scout for bases if I don't see their natural or 3rd on time. So the issue is that it's a high risk, moderate reward strategy.

[@jonathanaguilar6871]

@@joshuaxiong8377 for real

[@Thanzin1]

Doesn't work in plat. If I see that you didn't take your expo in time I already know that it's either cheese or hidden nexus.

[@ihakker1416]

This is the kind of dumb shit that works in gold and plat, then stops working in diamond cause people expect it. Then starts working again in GM because no expects you to do this plat-stuff and scout for proxies. SC2 is so amazing.

[@KumarBendrake]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@StormflameMW]

Harstem is the first guy to ever cheese/trick himself. 12:00 "I completely forgot that this base counted for me. I was like: Ah man, I'm so far behind. He's on three bases and I'm on two." That's something special only Harstem can do. XD Harstem hid the hidden base so well, he hid it from himself, too. XD

[@trixzify]

XDDDD

[@isy6047]

Watched this game in Serral stream and he was so confused :D

[@Evan-fh2zg]

Is there somewhere I can watch it?

[@TheErdnuss007]

yo please hit us up with where we can check it out :D

[@peterthepeter7523]

He should have put in on youtube.

[@whateverppl1229]

@@peterthepeter7523 whats his youtube?

[@peterthepeter7523]

@@whateverppl1229 judging by links in this video's description he doesn't have one. Huh. I thought Harstem did promote his channel in collabs or something like that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYfbpaFtpK6cZ5o

[@Florenciosc2]

I play like this.

[@marlonsolis2272]

We know

[@LordAlderaan]

Yes, and we all know there has to be something wrong with you... Greatly entertaining! ... but wrong ^_^

[@mylom6636]

THE LEGEND

[@AlphaSections]

That's why we love you!

[@MultiChrisjb]

We still love you even though there's something wrong with you.

[@seri-ously8591]

Only against Serral, Harstem will say, “We’re in a decent spot.” If it were any others it’ll be the usual, “We’re in a great spot,” or “We’re winning”.

[@Leonhart_93]

I know he usually seems overly optimistic but considering the difference in their army population at the time there is no way it would have been better than "decent".

[@zes3813]

wrg

[@I__--]

He said "We're winning" at 7:00

[@seri-ously8591]

@@I__-- And you missed my point since it was about any of the opening he goes with that puts him in a decent spot, Harstem will often say he’s in a better position.

[@DoubleTripleOGfromtheset]

He said it at 7 minutes

[@somedutchguygaming6024]

Harstem: '' Did I accidentally invent a build that might be capable of beating serral?'' Observer: '' Unlikely'' Harstem: '' It's very possible'' Observer: '' yeah sure man, we'll just give you this one''

[@Borsuk3344]

You hid the base so well in the first game that you have forgotten about it yourself

[@matthewrosengren7032]

Can't make an omelette without broken eggs: Your army is based around AoE like disruptors, but you have to hit your own units with each use. Leapfrog: You play Terran and your army is centered around permanently sieged tanks that you can only move via Medivac. Supply Hunter: Your objective is targeting enemy supply structures/units.

[@ja17979]

I just remembered the last IODIS, proxy Nexus by Heavensblade. Harstem learning from the best :D!

[@rkanava7245]

Cannon rushing agaist Serral, I am proud of you captain

[@friendofjim]

Maxpax might have had trouble determing where 400 minerals went because he's not used to accounting for a finished pylon, and a cybernetics core that you didn't cancel. BGMWSS: The Planetary Nexus. Build macro nexuses in your wall, on the map, with your army, in your main, etc. You can now get creative with recalls with your army to strange locations, super batteries on the front lines, extra chrono boosts (and probes) that you shouldn't have to get your tech and upgrades faster, etc.

[@henningbreede6428]

That means Harstem has even less, very weird argument.

[@MrBzeeb]

Stupid Shit: Mr. Gorbachev Tear Down This Wall In the spirit of friendship and progress there shouldn't be walls diving the great races of StarCraft. You should do your upmost to make sure that all barricades that seek to divide us are torn down. You cannot wall. Additionally you must completely destroy any opponents walls that you come across.

[@codylor3884]

"Beating grandmasters with stupid stuff" Proceeds to both proxy base in random corner and cannon rush, thank you Florencio

[@guest273]

2:00 - strange *_pylon_* you got there captain!

[@Taunt61]

For Serral's perspective: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGeufY2qbtGir5I Starts at 1:15

[@danielsaraceno7299]

Harstem: Yea yea yea! Got me saying it after wins now too.

[@Driux]

Marauder King: You have to rush 1 marauder early and keep him alive (no other marauders allowed to be built). He your king and always needs to lead your main army on the front lines. If he dies you lose the game. You must inform your opponent of this fact once your marauder is built. Otherwise a normal game with this extra lose condition.

[@diego.filmes]

One of the rules is never to involve your opponnent in the mix, so it's a no no

[@Driux]

@@diego.filmes Ah fair enough

[@Sara_Feingold]

The one good part about starting a match against Serral with a casual nexus at 4th base into a cannon rush: he'll think you're such a idiot that he might waste time checking for other stupid stuff in future matches XD You had the right pronounciation for "awry" the first time :)

[@Meridiu5]

"what am I doing with my life" 10:38 LOL

[@samba272]

BGMWSS Suggestion: The maphacker: For each base, build 2 observers. The natural can be taken normally, but you can only take the third if you have at least 4 observers. Use the observers to snipe drops, make the perfect runbys or just Basetrade as soon as he leaves his base.

[@TheGreatBraxton]

Idea for BGMWSS - The Has wheel of fortune builds - (See your Has cast at the 40 min 39 sec mark kzbin.info/www/bejne/aoHPlZxnet5-fbc). I think you should probably allow pylons at any time and any building you cant build because it is tech locked you go down a level of tech. You could have a simple wheel that just says (gate/robo/stargate) and a more complex wheel that has all the buildings. You probably need a timer of how often to spin each wheel. Modify as necessary, but I think this would be really fun.

[@yottanuclei]

.... not a bad idea at all. Stupendous way to throw your elo down the drain but that is a small price for glory.

[@theodale1710]

This is my favourite series you produce. Just seeing you have fun is so amusing in itself. !

[@XiaZ]

"So now we are going to pretend this is our third base" Ended up fooling himself that he was behind on bases

[@jessemoore1384]

Hidden mothership, Build a ground army and hide stargate and fleet beacon tech. Bonus points if you cilick an observer onto mama and clear creep with it lol.

[@zeburancher9480]

I suggested this for Terran after your recent first Terran BGMWSS game, but it could work for Protoss. Mass Upgrades (Not like ep #13) - get roughly equal Ground and Air (and Shield) upgrades (+/- 1) - mass lots of Zealots, Colossi, and Void Rays (+few Warp Prisms, and Observers). Bonus "I have Returned": mass out ~6 Colossi to start, then transition into Immortals, HTs, and DTs (+Archons); No more Colossi after the initial mass. Do Not use Colossi and Immortals together unless defending (they can only attack in separate groups).

[@zeburancher9480]

defend early game with whatever gateway units you need, a few adept, stalker, or sentry. try to keep them minimal. and mass out 2/2/2/2/2+++++ upgrades asap.

[@GuilhermeFudo]

Serral was saying "am I being beaten with stupid stuff heeeer??"

[@bencheevers6693]

Very good games, was getting really nervous when you thought you had the game wrapped up against Maxpax and didn't seem to be building for the future, I get after checking the replay you realized it was a lot closer than you thought. I think you're way too used to playing from behind so when it's even you feel like you're winning, I think you're so much better than you used to be and that you should examine some of your decision making because you aren't getting behind like you used to so maybe the safer play that will let you fight out a win is better than the risky play that lets you fight for a win from behind but loses more often if you know what I mean. Against Serral I think you were just in shock that it was working so well, I think you just got a little overexcited and you gave Serral too much respect, you were super greedy and got way ahead, the only way Serral could keep up was by cutting a ton of workers but you were thinking that even though you saw how much he had that he also somehow was able to greedy as well. I also think you were respecting Serral's late game too much, with the advantage you had the only way he could get into the late game without being behind would be for you to trade into him unfavorably, when you've been super greedy and he's got nothing for the future then the future is where your advantage is going to be even stronger. Even though Serral is godly at this game, he still has the same game reality as everybody else.

[@MATTINCALI]

Pretending like playing video games is a good way to spend my life. Got it

[@TheJysN]

We have come full circle. Hidden Proxy base (something that happens constantly in lower leagues) is now considered an advanced Play!

[@tomhe286]

Fast ninja base is actually very common (and good) in lower leagues. It works very well even in diamond league, but not so much in masters or gm.

[@kylepalaian]

That first game was sick 😂 it really shows how good both harstem and serral are it’s incredible

[@vvav]

That game against Serral was fantastic. When you play against that guy, you GOTTA throw him a curveball.

[@jeremysawa7075]

Suggestion: King of the Mountain. put a nexus in the middle of the map, a non base location. Fortify it with static defense and army. With a nexus there, you can use super batteries and fast warp-ins. It would also cut off the probably the main path of attack, giving you map vision/control and perhaps make it easier for you to pick the fights. the drawback is that minerals could be much more efficiently spent elsewhere, but should provide a little confusion to your opponent as to why you would make a nexus there. Make the central nexus before your 3rd base. Challenge won if you beat opponent while keeping the central nexus alive. Harstem, this is about the 17th time i've suggested you to do this, whether it was in a youtube comment or in your twitch chat. I'm sure you read this and are like, "Sawa, I've seen smarter people submit IMBA forms than this." and I'm like "Yeah, this is Beating Grandmasters with Stupid Stuff." I know it's stupid, but if anyone could pull this off, I believe it is you my friend.

[@0xAdam_]

I was watching the game vs serral on his stream and I can tell you guys that Serral thought he is getting DTed.

[@delosreyesgino]

Harstem: I Tricked Serral! Serral: K Harstem: GG

[@hoangnguyen-pc5fv]

Hey Harstem! Can you do a video analysis on gfuel king of battle series between maru and serral ? That was a series of the year for sure. Thank you!

[@LivingTheDream21]

You sound very similar to Lowkey I had to double check. I thought I was on his channel for a second. Nice video!

[@Kamikater2]

How about mid/late game reaper? Attack the enemy with 4-10 (don't know what is most effective) reapers and clear his mineral lines like that! (sadly no longer wings of liberty reaper with bonus dmg against buildings :D ) But not as a reaper rush, but as a hit squad in mid-game.

[@TheCostume]

First game will be seen in next week's IIIODIS, stay tuned.

[@Big-E-TheBouncer]

You weren't even close...lmao

[@M1stFink]

Serral even called it: "I'm getting beaten by stupid stuff here"

[@pennding3415]

Taking lessons from hevansblade from the last Iodis I see.

[@6099x]

Harstem, I have noticed that recently you have not been killing any Karaks, or creatures alike. To atone for your sins, challenge yourself to a game wherein prior to engagement with your enemy, you must make a sacrifice. Be it an animal, or a set amount of workers - blood must be paid in blood

[@vladislavkaras491]

Thanks for the video Harstem! I thought they would really early all in you!

[@HolyBunny]

Idea: Sentry/zealot drops... send a sentry with your prisms and use it to keep people from running up their own ramps while zealots wreak havoc on their workers?

[@MadChickenz42]

In some game, I saw SoS do this years ago. On a charge timing, sent in an observer until there were no queens or army in the main, blocked the ramp, and dropped+warped a sack of zealots and killed the Hive and most of the workers.

[@HolyBunny]

@@MadChickenz42 lol awesome!!! Yeah figured it could be great but only very situationally.

[@joe7380]

Idea for BGMWSS- Everytime you build something it has to be in alphabetical order until you reset and end the alphabet. So if you build a probe then zealot thats the chain ended. But you can fit other units or buildings in the chain but must end the chain on a zealot. You can begin the chain with any unit but must end with zealot and buildings are also included. Also it may help if you bring out the old singing voice and sing the abc's as you build or spawn buildings or units.

[@gabydewilde]

That you spotted him spotting your ninja expo should have been winning intel.

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

Ah yes, the Sewer Mermaid nexus opener...

[@biggali]

Dumb Idea: Have something hold down your '+' key so that the camera is always at 90 degrees different to normal gameplay. Experience confusion over such a small thing.

[@tckgkljgfl7958]

It might mess with hotkeys, but sure is a fun idea

[@vincentmuller372]

Good Games:) nice to watch:) My suggestion would be: go for a strategy that allows colossal drops in the mineral line

[@tomdabomb999]

This reminds me of Astrea vs Impact in the GSL a couple of years ago- he went nexus first at his third, and Impact just assumed he was getting allined, and just sat back to defend a push that never came. By the time he realised, it was too late and Astrea won

[@Yokartikpeh]

You should name that first build against Serral as 'Accidental Florencio'

[@cyborgkritiker3810]

The templar archive gave away the proxy location to serral

[@no1yourewrong]

Idea, We forgot how to throw. No ground units with ranged attacks may be made because your ground units have forgotten how to throw. Disruptors are spell casters so that's OK, maybe HT but they have the range attack so maybe not. Flying ranged attack is OK, no sentry, adept, stalker, archon, immortal, or colossus

[@kalujny]

Its almost 2022. Harstem invents a hidden corner base.

[@ErsatzGhost]

Harstem: “Who plays like this” Me: have you even played NA ladder?

[@sphbecker]

Do a Protoss 1-1-1 build, where you have to do an early push with gateway, robo, Stargate before adding additional production

[@bluegizmo1983]

I'm guess the conversation before making these types of video goes something like this: "Hey Serral, let's make a video where I use some dumb trick to beat you and you pretend to fall for it and lose! I'll split the video income with you 50/50!" 🤣

[@Thulgore]

I wish we could see a world where Serral had focused almost solely on Protoss and Terran. He changed the game so much in one season that I assume those alternate versions might have been capable of the same. Yes, people have caught up. What he did was astounding.

[@elonmuskbolado]

What did he do that made him "change the game" in one season ? I don't watch as much of Starcraft.

[@saintmikeyg3417]

When the first natural fake build is your main strategy as a toss player 😅🥴

[@strongerandwiser2023]

serrals unit control is fucking terrifying. The guys not even human.

[@dustinmorrison6315]

You should try BGMWSS Bowling League edition. You have to get more than 10 disruptors alive at one point during the game. Your disruptor control always impresses me.

[@Dank_Lulu]

Hello, cap'n! o7 Here's a bronze idea: proxy a Colossus and have it sneak up a cliff inside someone's main while you attack their front gate. It's like a really delayed, expensive and unreliable reaper rush.

[@caiobastos9085]

At a much lower level gameplay, open with a nexus first into a quick cannon rush just to cancel the natural of the enemy ... can be a really good opening, I feel ... (disconsidering the proxying base, just nexus first on your natural normally) ...

[@TheSanco26]

14:55 What was supposed to be cancelled? The stalkers?

[@Martin-sb7ug]

Might be too difficult? Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff suggestion: As Protoss, get your first +1 upgrade (air or ground) before starting your first unit (except probes) and make sure to continuously upgrade until 3/3. Cannon rushing is OK (encouraged).

[@Guinea54]

The things you can do with this overpowered race lol

[@blahblahsaurus2458]

BGMWSS: no selecting units with your mouse, only with control groups. You *can* mouse select units at any time for the purpose of adding them to a control group, removing them from a control group, changing their control group, etc. But to actually move a unit or give it any other command you can only use control groups. You can use select-all-army..... but only for control grouping purposes. I challenge you as a gamer to use control groups to spread units during a fight, but if you're not gamer enough I forgive you. Obviously if you have a random unit on the map that you need to control, you can do so but only after taking the time to hotkey it. You can select units in that bottom of the screen part of the UI, I don't remember wtf it's called and liquipedia is not being helpful. Bonus BGMWSS: put something over your screen again, this time to hide the mineral, gas, and supply count. I don't know if you can turn off health and mana bars in a normal game but if so do that as well. Basically I want to handicap you in any way that forces you to develop your other mechanics and game sense to compensate. I only want what's best for you, have faith.

[@superpantman]

For most of the game Serral thought it was a two base all in but when the attack never came he was just confused until he found the hidden natural which confirmed it lol.

[@TrueThanny]

You also forgot to cancel several buildings with MaxPax, which would be why you weren't actually ahead at the beginning.

[@ns22123]

Need more of these bgwss series! 😂😂

[@damnyiffers]

I imagine serral was playing two games of sc2 at once that first game hahaha

[@skaruts]

People never make up excuses for winning, though. _"Oh, you know, I only won because I was lagging!"_ :)

[@cobble3231]

Next: build your nexus in the low ground wall against zerg, in the reaper wall against terran and in the ramp wall against protoss

[@jakeman52]

A click your own Nexus as the game starts with your probes. Same result.

[@cobble3231]

@@jakeman52 no lol

[@kustafx3911]

@@cobble3231 yes lol

[@jihui8829]

Idea for BGMWSS - The worker butcher - Kill as many workers as you can (at least 50) in every game.

[@AndrewSmith-fk5zw]

dumb idea 3: bait enemy into going roach, stalker or marauder. then unleash a horde of immortals

[@drewaforbes]

BGMWSS Idea: Hungry Hungry Gator. Win, but build as many Gateways as you can. Never stop building Gateways.

[@kurzackd]

anyone else find it bizarre how MaxPax was able to have that many archon in that game? At no point was he ahead of Harstem in gas/resources, yet somehow he had an insane amount of gas-heavy units.

[@bigriverraiders9243]

Well he didn't have disrupters and mightve been behind on upgrades maybe

[@skyler.mclane]

Keven I thought of it, the supply slayer, the pylon punisher, the overlord obliterator xD

[@Samael89756]

7:34 so what you are saying is that basically it suits you perfectly harstem?

[@ZAWARUD00]

I apologize by advance if you get asked that question often: why do you have a control group for the warpgates, even though there is a special shortcut for them?

[@kabine1]

YES the proxy base idea!💡

[@TheMrGazoline]

Lol! When Harstem was doubting he said he should have gone for sky toss. Typical protoss.

[@Big-E-TheBouncer]

Serral is a real one doesnt hide behind a cheap tactic like barcoding his name, he is truly the goat

[@TheTrueReiniat]

You should get a list of your best cheeses and try them at the next qualifiers, mixed with regular macro it would be super interesting to watch what the pros do.

[@simonrasmussen5051]

nice episode, a real stupid move would be to unbind the cancel hotkey

[@DemonXeron]

Maybe try proxying everything for BGMWSS, but every proxy is in a different location. Max 2 buildings per proxy pylon (Canons or batteries don't count ofc)

[@jefferyharper5720]

Florencio strat v serral. Should have gone void ray into mass oracle.

[@kretarosdarker6395]

BGMWSS Idea: build stuff around the base you will take later on, for example build gates and tech and static D on your third way before you even build a Nexus there

[@sumelar]

I've always wondered why hidden expos are not a more common thing. There are so many places that would need to be scouted, how would it not work at least sometimes?

[@Sunless1337]

The cheese was the better play. Just needed the map-wide micro to be up to snuff vs. Serral. Fun game to watch!

[@adhillA97]

Ah yes, the Florencio build

[@DjinnsĘnigma]

Something is wrong with me. I have no idea what is going on, what this game is about, or what anything, and I can not stress this enough, at all, does or is doing, yet I keep watching these videos, constantly reminded that I have not enough minerals. *Edited for grammar.

[@ianb3515]

Could you try this opening against Zerg 1 Pylon 1 assimilator 2 gateway 2 zealot 2 adept And attack at around 2 min The idea behind it is to delay the third base for as long as possible or try and causes much damage as possible.

[@sasugashogun]

Harstem's skill would win him against lower ranked noobs, but this -Strategy- would never work against lower ranked noobs, because they'd always assume there's a hidden base.

[@lettersnstuff]

I {tricked} Serral into believing I’m a really bad cannon rusher as opposed to just [being] a really bad cannon rusher

[@prometheusbeliefsprometheu1247]

You had archons when he had scouted that you had no dt shrine or Templar archive. That may have tipped him off.

[@KumarBendrake]

My suggestion is have 6 potential cheese openings, and throw a die before each match to decide which one you are going to use.